In ancient times, when the seventh commandment was written, adultery meant sex between a man and a married woman. Only in modern times has adultery included extramarital sex of husbands. Again, this makes sense in evolutionary terms. The crime of adultery is to cheat a man into raising children who aren't his. The basic concept of marriage is a contract where the woman pledges her sexual fidelity to guarantee that the children will be her husband's, and in return, the husband pledges to support the family. Adultery is a violation of this contract. Just as rape is an evolutionary crime again women, adultery is an evolutionary crime against men. And this is why men feel extreme emotional pain when cheated on, just as women feel pain when raped. The argument that condoms change this because they allow sex without reproduction misses the point that our feelings evolved before condoms existed. Adultery with a condom is just as painful for a husband as rape with a condom is for a woman.
Women today claim that extramarital sex is the same regardless of which gender does it. But this is nonsense. What women really want from men is commitment. In societies like ours, with unstable marriages, women are insecure and so they over-react to any sign of lack of commitment. Extramarital sex of a man is only meaningful as a proxy for lack of commitment. This is why wives constantly probe husbands about any kind of relationship the husband has with women, whether friendship or work-related or whatever. In contrast, a husband only really cares about whether his wife has sex with another man, and anything else is irrelevant. So the point is that adultery is really a crime against a husband, committed by his wife and another man.
I believe these two crimes are very similar. The analogy is: rape is to women what adultery is to men. How does our society handle these two crimes? Rape is severely punished, but adultery is not only legal, but is actually protected. Consider the mirror image of this, where adultery would be severely punished, but rape would not only be legal, but would be protected. In other words, in this mirror image society, resisting rape would be considered assault. This is analogous to a man who catches his wife in bed with another man, and attacks them and is then charged with assault. All the man was doing was resisting adultery. Of course such a mirror image society is unimaginable because men have a basic sense of decency that women lack, so we would never inflict such a society on women. But women have inflicted our feminist society on men. Historically, rape and adultery have been considered similar crimes. In some societies, rape was only punished with fines. And in many societies, a man had the right to attack, and even kill, another man who had sex with his wife.
Are either of these two crimes ever justified? Let's start with adultery. Imagine a society where divorce is illegal and a woman is married to a man who changed and became worthless and didn't have sex with her. I believe that adultery is justified in this case, primarily because she does not have the option to divorce. No one should ever be denied the opportunity to fulfill their basic evolutionary needs.
So now we can consider if rape is every justified. Imagine a society where prostitution is illegal and women constantly provoke men. Of course, there is no need to imagine this society, because it exists in the USA. A single man in this society is in a similar situation to the woman described above for whom adultery is justified. Single men in this society have no outlet for their evolutionary need for sex, so just as the married woman above was justified in adultery, men here are justified in rape. Banning prostitution harms men the way banning divorce harms women. If women don't want to be raped, they should push for legal prostitution and they should dress more modestly.
Nazi Germany serves as a benchmark of evil, but I think American women are worse. In Nazi Germany, the Nazis had to pick particularly sadistic members of society to operate the concentration camps. The only crime of the average German was to look the other way. If the average German had been forced to see the suffering of the Jews in the concentration camps, they probably would have had second thoughts. Compare this to American women. The average American woman not only tolerates the suffering of single men, but actively contributes to it with their provocative dress. If confronted by the suffering of single men caused by sexual deprivation, the likely reaction of American women would be to giggle. In Nazi Germany, most Germans were not active in torturing people, but in Feminazi America, most women are active in torturing men. I do not think such women deserve any sympathy if they are raped, any more than Nazis convicted of war crimes deserve sympathy if they were punished.
The rape of most American women is justified because there is no other legal means for many men to get sex in America. This is similar to the reason that I feel Robin Hood was justified in stealing from the rich. In England at the time, there was no social mobility, and the poor had no other way of getting enough money other than to steal. What is normally a crime becomes justified when alternative means of meeting a person's basic needs are denied.
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d3gu 9y ago
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I hate any form of rape or violence against anyone, regardless of gender. I'd never advocate f/m, f/f OR m/m rape.
Rape is a form of terrorism and torture IMO, e.g. as a warcrime or way to subdue someone.
I can barely watch films like Deliverance because of the sexual violence (m/m, may I add), and believe me - I'm not easily shocked.
manofire 9y ago
In evolutionary terms, our main purpose is to reproduce. The success of our genes is determined by how well we reproduce. For a woman, one of the most important things that she can control for reproduction is the choice of the man to have children with. To force her to have children with a man not of her choice causes extreme emotional pain precisely because it is so important in evolutionary terms.
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manofire 9y ago
Please explain what you're getting at first. Wasn't it already implied that women hate the rape of other women? I don't understand why you're bringing up prison rape.
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manofire 9y ago
Wow, you're an idiot. Evolution explains why we are what we are today. Google "evolutionary psychology". I also don't understand your statement about rape. How does it relate to anything I've said? You're using it as a means to disagree with me, which makes no sense.
Denswend 9y ago
As someone who is very much into evo psych, I would humbly beg of you never to use those two words again. Evo psych can explain why you are here now, and what you are. It can say that certain thing is true, beneficial, but it cannot be the main dictator. Eugenic and dysgenic things cannot be used as substitutes for morally right and morally wrong.
Man woman child nuclear families are the most stable kind to raising children, yet we don't subscribe to forcing men into marriages, do we?
d3gu 9y ago
Exactly. One of the signs of a civilised society is free will.
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manofire 9y ago
I am not trying to justify rape at all, I'm "using" evolution to explain female behavior. I think you need to re-read what I just wrote. I specifically said that rape goes against a woman's reproductive interests. Adultery also goes against a mans reproductive interest, and is devastating to him. Many modern, feminist women do not understand the damage they are doing by committing adultery. Stop putting words in my mouth, argue with me based on my actual beliefs.
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d3gu 9y ago
Err, what?! How about... meet people and attract them and have sexual/romantic relationships with them. There isn't some secret society of women giggling at you and hiding around corners. I think you're overthinking things. I think you're putting 'pussy on the pedestal', to be precise.
manofire 9y ago
Except it can. Someone who commits murder may do so for a noble reason, all while murder is considered a worse crime than rape. A person may murder to provide for their families, to protect themselves, or to amend for a crime.The death penalty is still used in many countries. Rape, on the other hand, is not forgiven or seen as noble, as those who suffer from it are women.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Troll food or is the author just mentally disturbed.
manofire 9y ago
You could just ignore me, so I'll have nothing to reply to. However, that would require the kind of discipline and sanity somebody whose father was an unknown thug and mother the slut he picked up that day is unable to have. You fail to make a single counter-argument.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
Summed up with this statement.
If you can't get laid in America, there is something seriously wrong with you. Probably there has never been an easier time in western history to get laid.
The post about muslim men in Europe sums up my point. Here are guys which can barely speak English, are pigs, and work menial jobs. Meanwhile because they are fairly macho they can get white pussy without resorting to rape.
I am an old fuck, in a third world country, have no profile pic. On OKStupid started messaging American chicks who are 20 to 30 nonsense. I mainly did it because I was bored. Probably 1 out of 10 replied back, and I actually managed to start a conversation with them. That is 50% of the work already done.
If you can't get laid in America you are a total loser.
Cazzy234 9y ago
What the fuck? You seriously think there's no way to get sex other than rape? What is wrong with you? Countless men across the entire world (Including the USA) have sex everyday and don't rape anyone, myself included. It's deluded freaks like you that give this sub a bad name.
Rape is NEVER justified. Sure a women may dress provocatively but that's because it gives her pleasure to do so and true gentleman respect that. Just because they won't sleep with your creepy, rape-justifying ass doesn't mean you have the right to hold them down and fuck them. They are a person and have a right to choose who they have sex with. You pathetic, fucked up, twisted piece of shit.
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Denswend 9y ago
The murder of most American rich is justified because there is no other legal means for many men to get money in America. This is similar to the reason that I feel Robin Hood was justified in stealing from them. In England at the time, there was no social mobility (HINT: social mobility is a social construct and despotism was the reason we could progress beyond Dunbar number).
That's how you sound. This might seem as feminist tactic, but it is one of the rare moments of lucidity the movement had : You are not entitled to sex. It is not a basic need of your being which will kill you if you don't sate it. You have alternate methods of satiating your desire - you learn Game and go about empowering young women with your dick or you masturbate to empowered young women getting railed. However, since we don't do half measures, if we must adhere to the silly notion of "gender equality", then we'll adhere to that. Women aren't entitled to a man's attention.
Next on - women dressing slutty provokes men into a rape fest. That is wrong. Especially in the places where we have access to pornography. Suppose that we universalize the principle between "women dressing slutty provokes rape" - a certain action makes certain somebody go into a fit of crime doing rage where he is (partially) absolved of all his agency by the virtue of being "provoked". Hate speech also goes into that category, as it "incites" violence. If you are for one, and against other, then you're being unprincipled - the crux of feminist/liberal dissonance. Next on, it implies that fundamentally, all men have instinctual animal desire for sex (correct) which overwrites their capacity for moral/emotionally positive/rational thought - it's essentially dehumanizing and in a much much greater degree TRP's "hypergamy" does to women. Hypergamous women might and might not be a slut, she might or might not be a criminal. Rapist man is a rapist, and he is a criminal.
If all rapists are criminal, which are notorious for not abiding by the law, no amount of covering up with curtains is going to protect you from rape. Why do you think Muslim communities have a high degree of rape, when their women are covered in head to toe? If a rapist wants to rape, he isn't going to go "aw shucks, this woman is covered, I better get home to catch next episode of Doctor Who" in a geeky manner. Honestly, the only thing that would actively prevent all rapist from even attempting rape is being fat. And I doubt even that.
I will let the provocative dressing equals holocaust slide. Furthermore, women cannot comprehend being sex deprived because it's so easy for them to get it. If you see a picture of a hambeast having sex, and feel offended, do you consider a blind man to be active in your oppression, because he cannot understand it?