Last weekend I was visiting a friend in town A in an urban area. I had a good daygame session before meeting up with him (he's a sort of bluepilled natural and isn't interested in working classic daygame front stop volume though has curiosity about daytime approaches throughout his regular routine), we traveled to town B, 25 minutes up the road to visit a good coffee shop and restaurant in town. While we were grabbing dinner, I ran an assumption and then stack on this half Venezuelan hostess, she was a maybe girl, but I fucked up and threw out a joke that scared her off. No big deal.
Later on in the dinner, two girls come in and are sitting behind me. I didn't notice them, but my daytime approach curious friend dared me to open them. Did basically a situational opener and then sort of worked into the basic assumption stop structure from the London Daygame Model (have been experimenting with incorporating different elements from the model in my game). They invite us over to their table. We vibe with the girls for a bit then work into some rapport. I get my first small hints that my eventual chick (8/10) is a bit of a gamma and pretty up her own ass but for the most part, they are at first rare girls in that the more they talk, the more you like them as opposed to the opposite. College educated girls with good jobs. As we leave, the half Venezuelan girl watches as we go.
They mention they're going to a free sort of country music concert within walking distance and invite us. They want to dance most of the concert, my friend and I can't be fucked dancing so we separate for a lot of the concert. The concert is maybe an hour or two. Friend says he could go either way with the girls.
After the concert we go to a couple bars. I'm vibing quite a bit with my eventual girl at first, but she decides she needs to trauma dump and inform me of her strange opinions that are a combination of eugenics/tradcon mental masturbation (in the ways of that ideology that are convenient for her) with feminism (which I found the combination had a much more bitter mouth taste than just your regular urban feminist ideology which can just be frame crushed) despite my attempts to redirect to actual fun topics. She also proceeds to lie about things that don't really matter and my attraction dies to where I barely care much to even put my dick into her. I can tell my friend is into his girl though (7/10) so I hold out, me keeping an eye out for a set to jump to but none hook.
Pretty quickly it's obvious that logistics are fucked because where they live is 30 minutes the other way of where my friend lives. Part of my issue with nightgame in general is I loathe staying up late, so at about 11 or 12 I'm pushing for my friend to wrap it, he wants to keep pushing on. I tell him they seem like timewasters looking for free drinks and entertainment but he says "he could see something longer term with his girl". As the night is going, I'm working my girl up enough to keep her having fun and doing the usual teasing/push pull/challenges but avoiding pushing any form of escalation because my friend is working his girl at a glacial pace. My girl continues to show to be a timewaster, all the while she's dumping gamma mental masturbation on me.
My friend even offers to drive them home (logistics would be bad at their place), but they decline opting for an uber. The uber shows up and it's a biker meth head looking dude in a crappy old car that yells out "get in on this side, the last girl was sick from her pool party", sweet karma. The next day, I'm looking to use the girl as social proofing/a value tap because it seems like she knows a lot of people there, so I offer to go out again. My girl texts back suggesting a bar in town that plays live house music and also that my friend's girl works all weekend, though then texts "I'm free that night. I do have a boyfriend but I thoroughly enjoyed our conversations if you're interested in another friend up here."
There was no mention of a boyfriend the entire night. What do you think are the chances this supposed boyfriend actually exists as opposed to her wanting plausible deniability/validation/free drinks? Where is this boyfriend while she's drinking and flirting with random men on the weekends? I don't mean this to sound like red pill rage bait but that is actually what happened. All that said I'm not upset to have a hot young girl to value tap and use as social proof.
mattyanon Admin 55m ago
haha oh god.
Look, it's worth asking if they have a bf even if you're kissing them, just so they can't pull this shit later.
Right. Free drinks, flirting and validation.
I think she has a bf and she wants validation, flirting and free drinks.
Busy that night? Who knows.
Good call on using her. She's trying to use you, might as well use her. But she's low value trash, so not sure how much use she is.
If you want to stop this shit, you need to stop driving girls around and buying stuff for them. Give them a ride if logistics is good, don't buy their drinks. By the time you're touching/kissing, you should be either bouncing to a quieter venue or arranging a future date.
Future date break: mostly this saves time because if she's got a bf she probably won't come on a date with you, and you find out if she'll actually meet you again or not.
Extremely rough maths to illustrate this, don't take the numbers literally:
3 hours with girl including kissing: arrange future date. 50% chance she shows up.
6 hours with girl including kissing: arrange future date. 60% chance she shows up.
If you don't meet many girls, those 3 hours are worth 10% more chance she'll show up.
If you meet a lot of girls (and it sounds like you do), then those 3 hours could be spent with another girl for another roll of the dice.
Don't sperg out on the numbers, I'm saying that sometimes cutting early and getting to the next date is a more efficient use of time. Especially if you like an early night ;)