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SwarmShawarma 4mo ago
1:23 Bobby with square jaw, smiles in chad language
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
I used to know a girl that told me “I’ve never had many boyfriends but always had a lot of guy friends. I’m bad at relationships” I never understood what she meant until years later.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
I think the girl that you knew was using the word 'friend' in a different context.
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
No she legit had alot of guy friends she’d friendzoned who were orbiters. She tried to make me one. She was the type that needed validation from guys who liked her but she didn’t like and she had different roles for each of them. She was trying to make me the “fun guy I do activities with like dates but never will sleep with him”. Her boyfriends were all over the place, she’d only have a serious boyfriend once every 4 years it seemed like.
SwarmShawarma 4mo ago
or maybe she needed all these friends for bukkake but really wasn't that much into them
Hamza99 4mo ago
Of course all the females said yes, cause you benefit, while the guy is at a deficit.
You get the benefits of a boyfriend/husband/bodyguard/free meal ticket/mover/validator/attention giver without giving the guy EXACTLY what you know he wants in return.
The polar opposite of this is Alpha Fux. You live up your sexual fantasy with him(giving him what he wants) and get nothing else in return. This is where the male advantage comes to play. The roles get reversed.
MovinCruisin 4mo ago
I like how that one guy explains how men are going to develop feelings and hide them. If the girl isn't completely ugly then that's exactly what happens. To men, genuinely liking a girl and finding her attractive evokes feelings and having sex added to a friendship is/would be a good thing to us. Of course women fail to understand this because A) they put guys into either alpha or beta category (=have a different system of love) and B) (sometimes?) actually feel betrayed when a guy turns out to want to have sex because in their eyes it invalidates the friendly behavior BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES ARE LIKE THAT. A girl that has desire will give you compliments, find you to be the greatest comedian to grace planet earth and is interested in every little thing you say and every detail about you ... until the tingles stop for whatever flimsy reason and so the attention. Women hate beta behavior because they are betas.
I was once close friends with a girl that was uber religious and she wanted to marry a religious guy someday and only then fuck etc. so it was cool with us both that we don't do anything romantic, yet our friendship was basically a pseudo-relationship. She acted exactly like a girl in love would and would get nervous when I didn't reply to texts quick enough, often helped me with my homework, wanted to know about all my problems etc. and funnily enough, she "cheated" on me with another guy after she lost respect and then ended the friendship after the light switch effect. Never a-fucking-gain. So much emotional turmoil and I didn't even get to hit.
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
I wish women could understand how they use their so called “friendship” as exactly like a relationship minus sex. They can never explain how they never ask their girlfriends to move a couch, never ask them to take them out to fancy dinners and pay, or go do activities that a girlfriend would do on a date Women are at fault because they’ve sold the lie for decades about “want to marry my best friend!” Guys think starting as friends and growing into love is what they mean but it’s not, they want move first and then grow a friendship. Is backwards as fuck. You can’t love someone you don’t have some sort of friendship with.
SwarmShawarma 4mo ago
nah, you want men to understand and hold the cards, if women would start to understand stuff it might burn their brains
besides you want women to understand something that men can't
MovinCruisin 4mo ago
Even if they understood, and I'm sure many actually do, it wouldn't stop them because woman does what brings woman benefit. All of the good things of a relationship AND the freedom to keep riding the CC? They couldn't find themselves a better deal if they tried.
Consider that love between sexes is on a base level asymmetrical. Women would rather get plowed by Chad and then try to hold him down for a LTR, because the plowing makes sure Chad is positively masculine, which is the absolute first requirement a man needs to fulfill in order to be even considered a potential mate.
Men on the other hand (often) like to have the golly ol' romance of befriending and then falling in love with the girl next door. However sweet boys like that are firmly on the BB side of the equation, so -> friendzone and then marriage after the chick is kicked off the CC at around 30.
lurkerhasarisen 4mo ago
He got her when she turned 30 and was so much more experienced and mature and had learned what she didn't want in a husband. See?
Nice Guys Win In The End!
Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
These dumbass women are too busy categorizing men that they fail to understand they could have good sex AND the beta bux benefits all in one man but they choose to distribute it to several men.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
But...tingles? Don't forget tingles?
How is a woman supposed to have tingles if she starts dating a guy that she knows as a friend? Because a friend will be someone with good characteristics - such as loyalty, truthfulness, being considerate and kind. All the things that give her the dry panties.
Tingles come from danger: women are excited by 'dangerous' men - men that cheat, lie and steal, criminals, men that might fuck their sister, deal drugs, dump them etc.
nicknack 4mo ago
It seems like it's just hard wired in them to want this from two separate men. In the chimp world its always one crazy macho chimp that rapes all the other ones and leaves the rest of the chimp men to raise and provide for them. It seems the act of providing and raising spawn in the great ape kingdom we are a part of automatically deems you as a beta in female chimp minds.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
If there are any young men watching this video, let this be your intro to female thinking - women do not smash male friends.
The mistake young men make all the time is that they think that they can make friends first, then smash. It's an easy mistake to make. Because it would be a logical thing to happen. In fact, throughout history, this is how it worked. Young people would meet in a neutral and safe setting (high school, work, college) and you would get to know people a bit before you decided if someone would make a good partner, then you would escalate and form a loving relationship. That method was a great way to create marriages that had a high success rate, because you can easily detect character flaws in the friendship phase.
The modern 'dating' market doesn't work that way. Women dont' get tingles from friends. Friends aren't 'dangerous' and 'mysterious'. Also, women can't be sluts with guys in their friendship circle, and women desperately want to 'find themselves' (be sluts) between 16 to 33 years old.
The reason that you can never be friends with women (after the age of 15) is that women treat male friends as servants. They will demand all the duties of the boyfriend, with no sex and no respect. They want an obedient simp.
They will never let you smash BECAUSE you are a friend. If you were a stranger, there is every chance that they would let you smash, its only because you are a friend that you can't.
Guys get this wrong all the time, and wonder if there was something wrong with themselves. Am I not attractive, am I too short, not muscular enough etc etc. NO. You were fine all along, but your ROLE was wrong.
Overkill_Engine 2 4mo ago
Well, they can certainly try, but guys can both talk and see what's happening, and will notice that she's just fucking her way around the local social ladder as high as she can get. She does it too blatantly and she has a high risk of none of them committing ever, or her only ever being able to get a guy on the absolute bottom rungs.
I might know of a woman that tried that and ended up having to settle for the divorced and disabled father of one of the local social group - none of the local men her age would bother committing after noticing the shit she was pulling.
As a corollary, this is why women that move and cut all social ties with their prior residence should be an entire parade of red flags.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
What I meant was that women can be sluts within their friendship groups because everyone will know that they are sluts.
I notice how modern women are still afraid of the 'slut' label. They act all brave and modern but they still fear it. That is why they won't have 'exploratory sex' with guys in their social circle, but will drop their panties instantly on meeting a stranger.
Women have always had a fantasy for a 'tall dark stranger'. The stranger thing is practically a fetish. It means that they can cast aside societal constraints and do what they really want, which is to be a slut, free of consequences.
this is why women 'love travel' or 'move to a new city' or even want to go to college far away from home. It's a chance to be in a society where nobody knows them, so they can get laid a few times a week. Young women hate the idea of being in a town where everybody knows them, because it means that they cannot slut around without getting labelled.
Overkill_Engine 2 4mo ago
I know, I was just describing the consequences that happen if they do sleep around their friend circle. They get known as the town bicycle, so the lesson other women take from that isn't "just don't be a slut", it's "don't be caught being a slut by the backup plan men".
Because being a slut today is more important to them than a good outcome tomorrow.
The problem (for women) with widespread and socially accepted deceptive/obfuscative practices by women, is men simply start defaulting to assuming that any women whose past is not perfectly known to them is a slut, and treating them accordingly.
And I have no pity for women in that situation because they more often than not helped inflict it upon themselves.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
Why do women want male friends?
Because they want it all. They want the simping from beta boys, and they also want the tingles from alpha strangers.
lurkerhasarisen 4mo ago
The real answer is, sometimes. There are three basic possibilities with regard to attraction. 1) Neither is attracted to the other. 2) One feels attracted and the other doesn't. 3) There is mutual attraction. If there's no attraction either way, it's pretty easy. In the other cases it's more complicated and may be more awkward. In many of those cases it may be possible but not worth the trouble.
Then there's the question of whether it's even possible to take it further, complicated by the costs of doing so if it is possible. (One of both of you being married, for example.)
We're not bonobos, after all, and we can choose to ignore feelings when giving in to those feelings is counterproductive. I'll use an analogous situation to illustrate my point.
I love peanut butter (10/10). I can grab a big spoon and eat it straight from the jar. I could eat two or three peanut butter and jelly sandwiches every day of my life and never tire of them. I love them so much that I used to make my wife hide the peanut butter any time she bought a jar. Why? Because gorging on peanut butter every day is bad for my health. But I have now mastered my "attraction" to the point where my wife no longer has to hide peanut butter in her sock drawer or in a bag of bird seed. I can have an occasional PB&J without turning into Fat Basard from an "Austin Powers" movie. We're "just friends" now.
Likewise, I've had female friends of varying levels of attractiveness, and I know that at least some of them felt some level of attraction for me, but nothing untoward ever happened because a feeling is nothing more than information. Not every bit of information that enters your mind is relevant or is something you're going to act upon.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
Respectfully, I think you are in error on this one Lurker.
In your scenario 2: 1 is attracted to the other. Guys just don't make friends with girls with whom they are not attracted. That just doesn't happen - the interviewer stumbled upon that a few times - they guy friends are all attracted to their female friends (else they wouldn't not friends). this reminds me of a great joke - Q. How do you know that a man is attracted to a woman? A: Easy, he's talking to her. That joke contains a great deal of wisdom - its funny because its true. No man would befriend a woman that he doesn't want to fuck.
This is the issue. So when we're talking about boy and girls being friends, its always the guy that wants to bang, but the girl doesn't.
What about where the girl wants to bang but they guy doesnt? The guy just wont hang out with her. And women are so used to 'every guy wants to bang me' that if she is in the least bit interested in a guy and he doesn't want to bang OR be friends, then she will character destroy him within 48 hours. She'll tell everyone that he is a paedo or tried to rape her or some sort of 'creep'. Hell hath no fury like a woman spurned.
Your scenario 1: Isn't going to happen. Guys don't form friendships with women that they don't want to bang, unless they knew each other from before puberty. Real childhood friends.
Scenario 3: They both attracted to each other? Dude, they are going to get it on. I guarantee it.
So there you go - all three scenarios are non starters.
The whole premise of the interview is that some guys will accept friendship as their role, because they realise that they will not be granted chad role (smash). So they accept friendship role in the desperate hope that she will someday notice him in a different light. This never happens.
I have a friend who married an old friend of his. When she was 35 and had been booted off the CC. He is now suffering the humiliation of a beta bux marriage to an alpha widowed woman that only gives him reluctant star fish sex.
lurkerhasarisen 4mo ago
I'll stipulate that what you wrote is true within the sample universe of the video, and largely within that generation as a whole, but I will dispute the notion that it's universally true. I'll give examples.
I used to work in the same office as a married woman who was pretty easy on the eyes. She was totally not my type as far as a relationship, for whatever that's worth. We worked together all day every day, though, and we got to be pretty good friends... at least as good as those college guys are with those girls. She ended up leaving her job and later her unit got mobilized and sent to a stateside installation. Because it was a wartime mobilzation rather than a PCS, she was stuck there for a year as a geographical bachelor(ette). I ended up going on a training mission with a different unit that was literally right across the street from where she was. We conduct our training during the day, and she had regular office hours. Before I left my wife suggested that I take her out while I was there, so for about a week we hung out, went to restaurants, hit a bar or two, and she showed me around all the tourist spots. It was no big deal, and both of our spouses knew we were spending time together. (She knew my wife and I knew her husband.) Nothing inappropriate happened, or was even a remote consideration.
In another case a couple of years later, I was at an overseas installation for a year as a geographical bachelor, and one of my colleagues had a legit HB9+ Phillipina girlfriend. She and her roommate (who was as cute as a button) were in my friend group. The girls used to come to our compound on weekends and hang out. I was friends with both girls, especially the roommate. One weekend, my colleague was going to another country with one of his other girlfriends (dude's a total player), and both girls stayed at my place. (My wife knew about it and didn't care - we spent the days together but I slept at my friend's house a couple of blocks away to avoid the appearance of impropriety.) Could I have smashed? I definitely could have had the girlfriend (a story for another time, perhaps). Did I? Obviously not. Could I have smashed the cute roommate at some point? I'm honestly not sure. Did I? Obviously not. Were we friends? Yes. We still keep in touch to this day even though we're eight thousand miles apart. In fact, we exchanged emails earlier this week.
I'm married but I'm not blind, and all those women are attractive, and at least two of them found me attractive. Nonetheless, except for one incident where the girlfriend made a play for me when she was black-out drunk, there was never any problem or even awkwardness... and everyone kept it that way.
Lone_Ranger 1 4mo ago
Again, respectfully, I'm going to say that you are using exceptions to try and prove a rule.
You managed to find 2 highly unusual scenarios which you think qualify, but I'm going to say that I highly suspect that both those Pilipino girls were desperate to bang you!
So.....Objection overruled.
Your request is denied.
Women and man can't be friends.
lurkerhasarisen 4mo ago
Again... disagree. If you say that something is impossible, then even one exception is sufficient to disprove the premise. I gave two and I could have easily given others.
The problem with your theory is that it presupposes that people can't be platonic friends if they have different levels of attraction for each other. That isn't an argument: it's an attempt to a priori frame the question in a way that precludes any other answer. I submit that they can, which is why your supposition about the Philippinas is irrelevant even though it's probably true. Let's look at each individually.
The girlfriend didn't really want me... she wanted my colleague. He was a textbook Chad: tall (I'm not), good-looking (I'm average at best), dark triad (I'm definitely not), plate-spinning (I'm happily married), and well off financially (more money than me). That didn't stop her from trying to molest me when she got black-out drunk one time, so I'll give you that one even though it was a one-off that she didn't even remember when she sobered up. We remained on friendly terms after that... even after he dumped her. I even facilitated her reconciling with one of the other guys in the friend group a couple of years later after they had a falling-out.
The roommate and I were genuinely friends. She's one of the very few women I've ever met who's intellectually comparable to my wife and my mother. We would talk for hours about serious stuff, and when I hosted the friend group at my place she did "hostess" duties, including washing the dishes because that's "women's work." She was certainly attractive, and on one occasion she exhibited what can only be called "mate-guarding" behavior when I was simply being nice to another girl. Would she have been receptive if I had been single and made a play? I feel confident that she would have been, but that doesn't mean we weren't friends. She had a serious setback last year and had a bit of a meltdown. Even though we haven't seen each other in person since 2016, I'm the person she reached out to to talk her off the ledge... which is something I've done for several of my guy friends.
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Justanaverageguy 4mo ago
Not only can’t women and men be friends, they shouldn’t! It’s un-natural.