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So, I blindly believed what Rollo said, which was that you’re not more likely to get an STD as your n count increases, but after thinking about it I’ve realized he was wrong.

He says he’s slept with 40+ women and hasn’t gotten any STD’s.

He says if you sleep with someone, you’re not only sleeping with them but also sleeping with everyone they’ve ever slept with.

But think about it. If Rollo fucked 40 women and 1/4 had an STD, and there is a 1/4 chance of contracting an STD from sex with someone with an STD (these are hypothetical numbers), then there would be a 250% chance that he’d catch an STD. But, if by some miracle he didn’t catch one with these hypothetical statistics, then any girl who sleeps with him is not ‘sleeping with everyone he’s slept with’. She’s just sleeping with a guy with no STD’s.

Now, say your n count is 4 and only one girl you’ve slept with had an STD. If there is a 1/4 chance that you’ll get an STD from a girl you’ve slept with, your chances of having an STD are 25%.

Again, these numbers are hypothetical. I just feel like a lot of Rollo’s opinions are the inverse of feminist opinions, where everything a man does is fine and will lead to an enriching life, whereas the opposite is true for women. I think if men follow all of Rollo’s advice they might end up with some problems.

I believe that there is a lack of critical thinking in the redpill community. Rollo is right about a lot of aspects, but some of his other opinions require further examination. The claim that when you’re sleeping with someone, you’re sleeping with everyone that they’ve slept with just sounds extremely ironic to me considering Rollo claims he has never had an STD. If that’s the case, if a hypothetical virgin fucked him and only him, she’d never get an STD despite Rollo’s claim that she has essentially slept with 40 people. There are obviously situations where someone may get an STD with an n count of 1, but the odds are sure as hell slimmer than if they fucked 1,000 people. What’s most important is that you don’t fuck anyone with STD’s. Then the number doesn’t matter. But you can’t really vet for that if you’re shooting for the highest n count possible.

Rollo kind of reminds me of Beyoncé, who sings songs about boss babes while she got married young. Rollo met his wife in his 20’s I think yet constantly paints a picture about how guys can slay pussies into elderly ages.

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mattyanon Admin 1y ago

Lots of people are wrong about lots of things, including you, OP. You're basically right, but probabilities cap out at 100% (obviously), so 250% probability doesn't make much sense.

But yes, Rollo isn't right on this. That's fine, noone is right about everything and we shouldn't expect it (or believe) it of everyone. I myself made a mistake once.

Seriously though.....

STD chances increase with:

Every time you have sex
Every new partner.

Why both? Because the more partners you have the more chance that one of them has an STD. And the more sex you have, the more chance that one of those encounters leads to transmission.

Sex with one (non-cheating) partner for life has some chance of you catching an STD: they could be lying, they could cheat. If their chance of having an STD is 25%, your chances increase each time you have sex, up to a maximum of 25% (you can't catch it if they haven't got it, and their chance is 25%, to follow the original hypothetical example).

Add more partners and that 25% is out the window. The chance that none of your partners has an STD goes from 75% to essentially 0, and now your odds of catching something are much higher.

How much this matters depends on how many partners, the population STD rate, the transmission rate, and so on.

I'd also say it matters WHICH std you get. Most are fairly curable. AIDS is no longer a death sentence in the Wes, but it will absolutely end your normal sex life.

Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago

But think about it. If Rollo fucked 40 women and 1/4 had an STD, and there is a 1/4 chance of contracting an STD from sex with someone with an STD (these are hypothetical numbers), then there would be a 100% chance that he’d catch an STD.

This is just plain mathematically wrong even if you are using hypothetical numbers

Probabilities don't add together when you calculated together they multiply and odds (which i think you are talking about) aren't usually 100%

A simple formula for calculating odds from probability is O = P / (1 - P)

So if we calculated that odds = .25 / (1 - .25) or odds = 0.25/.75

We get odds = 0.33 or 33% odds of getting an STD with a 25% STD rate amongst his lays (of course I'm not factoring transmissibility of certain STDs but this is a simple point). And yeah the math might be off since I'm not using a formula accounting for 40 lays

That being said if one of the women had a confirmed STD and he slept with her and he didn't catch it, then why would you add them together? 0 times something is still zero

If he fucked 40 women and 1/4 had an STD his odds of catching an STD go up but it's not 100%

I also know which essay you are talking about and he's not saying you won't catch an STD if you sleep with women he is saying it's overblown and he hasn't acquired one because of the difficulty of acquiring one, not that it's impossible not to and that you shouldn't refuse to live your life because of fears like STDs. That was the point of his essay is men crippling themselves into fear of the unknown as buffers to refuse to take action and live their life

His essay had nothing to do with calculating the odds of getting an STD it was solely about not crippling your life based on fear. He was simply saying he didn't get one. The essay was anecdotal and you are seriously misinterpreting the entire point of that essay and if anything supporting his point not hurting it. You're masturbating over fears instead of living your life

Obviously look at the chicks you fuck, don't fuck absolute trash hoes and junkies, and always wear a condom. But that wasn't the point of his essay and that's not how probabilities and odd ratios work

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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago

From the section "myth of the dodged bullet" in AFC Social Conventions he acknowledges your points he is just saying that your risk is still present even if you lost your virginity on your wedding night and caught one. He outright says you need to consider your partners risk

The Myth of the Dodged Bullet

In my lifetime I’ve had sex with over 40 women and I never once caught a venereal disease, nor did I get anyone pregnant. I can also point to men I know who contracted Herpes from the only women they’d ever had sex with. The fact of the matter is that you can equally be a rock star and tap hundreds of women without any consequence and you can be a virgin saint and contract a disease on your wedding night. The myth of the dodged bullet is a social convention that’s rooted in the rationalization that monogamy serves the purpose for controlling sexually transmitted diseases and thus fewer partners are more desirable than many. From a statistical standpoint this may seem logical on the surface. Fewer opportunities for sexual intercourse would indeed decrease the risk from a single individual, but unfortunately this isn’t a practical estimate. You’ll also have to base the numbers not only on how many sex partners you and your monogamous partner have had, but also how many prior partners they’ve had and how many those partners had as well and so on exponentially. Despite of all this, the odds that you’ll die from a form of cancer, heart disease, smoking or obesity related diseases, or even an alcohol related traffic fatality far outweigh any risk of dying from a venereal disease in western society. The mortality rate for for contracting gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, herpes and even HIV pale in comparison to many – in some cases more easily preventable – diseases.

Of course, since this is a social convention, I would be grossly negligent and severely lambasted by the public at large for even implying that I’m condoning, much less advocating, that a man explore his options and open his experience up to having sex with multiple partners. Again, this social convention is unassailable. But it sounds like it makes good sense, “boy, am I sure glad I got married/shacked up and didn’t catch a disease, pffew!” It sounds like conviction, when in fact it’s a rationalization for a lack of other realistic options with women or an innability to deal with a fear of rejection from multiple sources. Again, necessity becomes virtue.

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EurasianChad 1 1y ago

Wrap up, simple. And vet girls for hoe-dom.

If you're truly worried, this ain't for you man

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User4566 1y ago

Herpes are a big problem, too.

coolsocks00 1 1y ago

Wear a condom smooth-brain.

What you still wanna avoid and can get despite wrapping up is hsv2, so lay off the hookers and skanks.

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coolsocks00 1 1y ago

Genital warts are quite insignificant for anyone with a normal immune system iirc.

Genital herpes is usually type 1 these days, which most people have in the mouth area already, like 70% have it. It's a non issue.

If you do get unlucky and get hsv2, it is more likely to give outbreaks and will probably put some limits on your sex life, but it is not dangerous. Shameful, painful at times and annoying, probably.

AsianDude 1y ago

For info, besides the better known STDs, there are many other less known viruses such as Epstein–Barr virus and probably countless viruses that result in increased risks of cancer and other life ending diseases.

Some of these viruses can be spread via non-sexual contact. E.g. kissing, sharing toothbrushes etc. So using protection won't stop the spread.