Something I'm reminded of on an almost daily basis.
Every girl I've wanted the least, always end up chasing the hardest. The ones you bang once or twice then realize aren't really worth plating or having anything to do with, always end up chasing your validation the hardest. Any speech that implies walking away gets them hooked harder.
I've accidentally sent 8 girls that I know of to therapy for apparent "emotional abuse", which in their language means that I tried to let them go after banging them. Simply walking away causes their brains to go haywire. One girl in a previous country I lived in even stopped taking BC pills to purposely get pregnant when she saw I was pulling away. Big mistake on my part for not wrapping up and trusting the BC, but still. Point is shown.
When you move like you don't really care whether you score or not, and instead decide to just vibe and befriend the whole venue, you end up getting girls chasing you. Of course you need to have good looks & good frame + self respect for this.
Another point I'd like to point out is chasing vs. pursuing are completely different. You still have to be a man and set things up to bang, girls just make it easy for you (or not, depending on what mental power dynamic they're trying to play). Any resistance is met with the willingness to walk away physically, emotionally, mentally etc. Putting your attention elsewhere when she doesn't act right.
The dudes that chase the hardest, the dudes that give into their emotions when a chick doesn't respond, the dudes that are willing to give away their purpose for a single girl....all lose.
Just something for you boys to ponder on. Experienced dudes know what I'm saying is pure fact.
financehardo420 2y ago
yea man shit’s absolutely facts.
and the moment you cave to a chick and give into your emotions it’s RIP.
nochase 2y ago
Fact. Women just lose their minds if they don't get attention from a man they are emotionally invested in. Same as the crack fein begging for cash on the street for another shot. Zero difference. They are used to simps accepting all their shit all while being their emotional tampons because most men have no options.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Yeah theres definitely an element of learned behaviour through the constant validation they're getting online. At the same time, not keeping in constant contact or being hot/cold immediately places you in the category of AF/bad boy/emotionally unavailable, which isn't a bad thing & I believe is the most ideal situation a man should place himself in with women.
Most men will never have women chase them because they are too ready, too invested, too little options, too little purpose, too little self respect.
nochase 2y ago
Spot on bro, that's the ideal situation. She will ask herself why you're not responding/giving her little attention/not caring about her. Once she starts thinking about it, you're in her head and it's game time. I banged this girl this weekend where I did the exact same thing. Matched her > basic chatting > ghosted her until date. She told me she was all worried that I wouldn't show up. Fucked her the same night while this simp wished her a nice night in her DM lmao
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
That's hilarious dude, and that's exactly how I do it with all women except I normally shoot them a message on the day of the date just so I don't waste my time. But then again, I set up all my dates 10 mins away from my house
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Ok, playing devil's advocate here:
Everyone is trying to date up. The girls you want the least are the girls that everyone wants the least. Because she's less attractive, she works harder to get you. The girls you want the most is because they're the most attractive.
There is definitely an element of "always be prepared to walk away" and an element of "putting in effort and being attached makes you unattractive". But let's not discount how easy it is to get a less-attractive girl super interested and invested compared to a girl with better options.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
I'm not talking about girls that have no options or are ugly, I don't fuck with them. They show me the amount of dudes simping over them on their dm requests, dm's, etc. I've worked in the modelling industry which is where I meet a lot of women I date. You're right that many ugly women will do the same, but it is literally the same no matter their attractiveness.
Main reasons I don't deal with these women after a few times is when they show either boss babe personality, high levels of disagreeability, or any form of behaviour that I do not prefer to deal with
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
I didn't say "no options" nor "ugly".
Right.
Other men have the same preferences, so they have less options, so they will work harder when they find a guy they like.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
I get what you're saying, but let's be honest bro, most men do not have options and take whatever they can get. First girl touches their pipi they wife
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Right...... and women know this, and it's why 90% of men are invisible to them
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
This ^ there have been so many times i didn't give a flying fuck and non-platonically friendzoned women (I don't pursue them, don't necessarily reciprocate their flirting, but at the same time I'm touching them and saying non-platonic shit while blatantly doing the same with other women) and then they try to fuck me.
The girls who I try to go for end up being harder to warm up etc. Some times I'd inadvertently "friendzoned" hot chicks because I wasn't feeling like trying to game them cause I wasn't in the zone to game a hot chick at the time and I smashed because they knew I got a whiff of pussy but didn't react to it and they chased me
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
this is the way. When a hot woman see's a guy that is confident and befriending the entire venue, is chatting, smiling and joking around with all the girls, their first thought is "Why is he not gaming me? I'm very hot, he should be gaming me" and she will sidle over to you and try to game you. Women feel FOMO much more acutely than men.
In the end, NOT gaming a hot chick is a form of negging (and its negging that gets them interested). The biggest mistake any young young man makes when gaming is to zero in straight away on the hottest chick in a venue, and the go all 'do or die' on her. The hot chick sees this as desperate and spergy.
Important to note : all women basically operate on the Marx brothers joke - they're not interested in joining a club that would have them as a member. When they encounter a guy that is obsessed with them, the peg him as low value. That is why they are so obsessed with celebrities. they know that celebrities would not give them the time of day.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
I've experienced the exact same thing dude. Girls explicitly showing sexual or romantic interest that blue pill or less experienced men would never believe. Won't go into detail, but I truly believe the reasoning comes down to abundance and status.
When you're the life of the party, fist bumping randoms who have a smile or good vibe, opening people briefly with great energy then moving from table to table having people offer you shots to stay with them. You become like that rare commodity, one that doesn't need anything from anyone, and instead wants to share value and give others a good time. Something about that must be very attractive to women.
A girl that basically handed her spread legs to me on a platter after meeting me this way told me that she felt some sort of pull towards me. A feeling of some sort, that she felt rewarded that I chose her to give my attention to. Maybe it all comes down to that, women love attention and crave it. In the venue, people gravitate towards high energy like they do in festivals or concerts. Being the main focus is like being the lead singer or DJ. That's my 2c
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
This is gold. This is the reason why you should never really pursue / chase women.
Here's a thought: You know how a woman knows that you are low value and not worth pursuing? If you pursue and chase her. It dries the panties faster than any other activity.
Young men are the ones that misunderstand this dynamic the most. They think that if they really chase a woman hard, do the big grand romantic gestures, the woman will 'give in' and reward them with affection. This never happens. Women SAY that they want the big romantic gestures and for men to pursue them, but that will always put you in the friend zone.
Women are programmed to reject men that are obsessed with them.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Absolutely, women are always looking for ways to disqualify a man. Whats backwards is that for everything else in life, the more you put in, the more you get out. Its the complete opposite with women, and instead the work is put into your own purpose.
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EurasianChad 1 2y ago
I'll be honest with you, the whole thing is super fucking gay. As a model you are on the bottom of the power heirarchy, and as much as people glamorize models, you have 0 power and are prone to exploitation in ways not just sexual, but monetary depending on how BAD you need the job or how bad you want to succeed.
I've never needed the money as I was blessed to come from a well off family, but in college I needed funds to buy weed (stupid I know) & even done gigs abroad just to earn a little more. I've set hard boundaries with gay people who made gay offers, and thankfully always had the power to walk away. Others however, due to being less fortunate & needing this for bills or just wanting a career, are heavily exploited.
Everyone is gay. Designers, photographers, agency handlers, stage & runway directors etc. You're not wrong to assume everything you've assumed. Everything I've mentioned previously is why I no longer do it. Just too much gayness, and regardless of boundaries it does ruin your reputation if you constantly deny people and set hard and fast boundaries. I didn't want to play those politics.
You can get away with a bad boy look. In fact, I was casted for more fitness related stuff that featured my upper body, as I always declined underwear contracts despite their large payments (thought it wasn't classy and too gay). There are many types of male models, not just the ones posing in super gay ways. Google "Trevor signorino", hes one of the bigger guys in the industry now who doesn't look feminine Imo.
For your goals you will meet a lot of women in castings (these are auditions for product shoots, runway shows for designers clothing, etc). You will also meet tons of women on your jobs. Its very easy to acquire leads as all the models basically fuck each other, club with each other, invited to clubs and given tables as good looking people promote venues better, etc.
Is it worth it? Maybe. Im sure you can meet hot women in other ways but this wasn't even my consideration for joining. I saw an opportunity to make extra cash while I was pursuing my university degree and I took it. I personally wouldn't enter it again given my current circumstances
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Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
Ha, I think you're gay.
This kind of reaction is silly as fuck to me. There's a saying that I use when people who I'm not interested in hit on me: "You can turn the radio signal on, you can turn the radio signal off... But you can't control who picks it up."
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Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
You don't need to hedge your words. Saying "no offense, but..." is dumb. Just say what you want to say.
I'll agree though. The west sells degeneracy to an ever fattening group of lazy soft people.
The UK is just as degenerate. As far as what your cultural background is strict about, my reply isn't about you but how you can't control others around you.
It's my quote, what the shit?
You literally can't. If people could decide who is attracted to them, dating would look far different.
You don't have a say in who is attracted to you, only how you react. And from the way you're reacting to just the idea, it is - as the kids say - "a little sus".
If you want to equate two different things for no reason, that makes you an idiot. Unless you're a child, it isn't pedophilia. Words have meanings.
I understand. I just think you're overreacting.
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
I get what you mean 100%. There's that saying by Jordan Peterson that you should be a monster then learn to control it. Violence is reserved for occasions when absolutely necessary. When you train in combat sports you realize how lethal you can be. Say whatever you want, I'll fire back verbally or choose to leave. Touch me and that's a whole different ball game. If you have physical presence and a strong character trust me these people will think twice how they word these things to you.
As for being a pussy, you're not making this a career man. This is simply something you do as a side gig, not your passion or mission in life. It doesn't define your character, and it's definitely not on the same level as onlyfans creation or doing porn.
You'll meet all sorts of people, many guys are very feminine but they do get laid despite that. Some masculine strong characters and I've joined these chads to work a whole casting venue of models. Its very, very easy especially with a red pilled mindset. Do expect some backlash though but I'm sure you can handle it. I've been called toxicly masculine, misogynistic etc. for simply stating my own opinions in conversation, but all it did was make women respect me more for having balls and not changing up despite the commonly held belief.
Gym is a great place to meet like minded individuals focusing on self improvement. I make plenty of connections here. I also go on hikes and meet people that way. Girls I meet in the gym & hiking show way less red flags than women I meet in clubs and bars. More long term potential, even make better plates IMO.
All depends on your interests man. Do you enjoy going out to bars and clubs more or do you enjoy sober things like hiking, running, lifting? Toastmasters is great too not just for meeting like-minded individuals but also for improving your public speaking, which adds beautifully to confidence (ability to perform under pressure and scrutiny/judgement, formulation of thoughts and ideas in a cohesive manner, etc)
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EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Yeah bro u gotta work on the abundance aspect as it seems this woman was and still is living rent free in your head all those years til now.
Approaching girls in the gym is pretty simple and low risk. When passing smile, nod up. "Sup how u doin" is what I say by default in passing. It's more social behavior than it is going for the kill. Eventually it leads to conversation, just don't be like the autists that spam approach in clubs. That's weird behavior, especially when you are gonna see each other constantly in the same venue.
U got this
1 more thing to add: bitches can feel when u want something from them. The high status abundance mindset doesn't need anything from anyone, and instead brings value just for the sake of providing great emotions to those worthy of his time.
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EurasianChad 1 2y ago
Being good with a girl means being good with women in general. Being good with women means being good with people in general. Being good with people is all sociability. The biggest players I know are the popular life of the party types. You can be mysterious if that's your aura, more introverted. Some women dig that too, it just doesn't fit my personality. I'm more extraverted
Work on being more sociable, pass by people when going for your daily walks and just say good morning/good afternoon. Its super simple man, this also trains your mind to not look at others for how you should feel about yourself.
I totally get you. A lot of men in this space feel like they've been wronged by women, which may be the case. But cynicism and bitterness is not the answer. I love women, and treat them how they act. Women are silly & cute creatures that live in an emotional world. Learn to play the game, us men use rationality and logic which trumps all.
You get good enough you'll be surprised how predictable their behavior is. You can then move about as you see fit, constantly amusing yourself and others that know and see what you're doing.
As for being direct, nothing wrong with that. I just don't like the idea of it consuming all your mental focus in a club environment or wherever. You having fun and enjoying yourself should be the primary objective in your mind, not "I have to get laid". Those men move like hyenas. Take whatever they can get. It's extremely off putting to women to see you spam approaching.