So, you go through all of this training, and this journey through the side bar, No More Mr Nice Guy etc, and you make it a point to go through the always DARE never DEER bit, and all of this.
So basically, where you wanted to just go and Keanu Reeves it and be nice to people, you're now essentially carving out your entire personality to make sure that you try to make some cool deflection, smirk, amused mastery etc like the alpha male who literally yells louder than someone who yelled for a joke to make sure he's always the most extreme person in the room. And why? Oh ya know. To get some. Cuz women work via these stupid rules (not saying they don't). But basically instead of having your personality, you copy-pasted one to get laid. Which is what Whitney Houston would have called...the greatest beta move of all.
Lay it on me. Let's see Paul Allen's card.
ManosphereConcierge 1y ago
This is a process.
In short, "fake it till you make it". Some guys NEVER get past the fake it stage. Oftentimes, the most "alpha" acting guy is just that, acting.
Real "Alphaness" means being your own man, living your best life, and dying with no regrets. Real "Alphaness" is being your own "mental point of origin" and having "outcome independence ".
Read up on "mental point of origin" and "outcome independence ".
You're stuck in the PUA stage and poopooing the whole rest of the Manosphere. That's like going from white belt to "Advanced" white belt and calling the black belts dumb.
whytehorse2021 1y ago
A lot of people get hung up on terminology. The alpha and beta terms are place-holders for the dual nature of female mating strategy. Arousal vs attraction. Most new guys know nothing about the arousal side so they spend considerable time working on that. While they're working on that they come here and ask questions. So maybe it seems one way when in reality it's another.
You might think that we are doing this for women but in reality we're doing this for ourselves. We are solving our reproductive problem. Not only that but we work on the attraction side as well which is protection, providing, and parental investment. But you'll never get to that stage if you can't do the arousal stuff.
It's not like copy-pasting a personality. It's masculinity. It's unlearning the feminine frame and developing a masculine one. I remember when I first started red pill I was like a slave that had just escaped the plantation. Or like Neo when he gets unplugged from the matrix. And just like you, I've had my Cypher moments where I wish I could just go back to my Keahnu Reeves blue pill false reality. But that's not real and ends in disaster for many men.
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craftsmanmindset 1y ago
I fundamentally disagree with this. You have to remember that you have a "personality frame". Everything that you learn (all these principles, etc.) get put inside of this personality frame. When you are copy pasting these principles, they are getting put inside of your existing frame.
dhumantorch 1y ago
So you're saying the TRP material is no less valid than the principles that created the original personality.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Well, I agree and disagree at the same time.
Obviously the process of integrating red pill makes you become someone you're not to placate others and get validation for yourself.
So yeah I suppose technically TRP makes you seek validation in new ways and is thus in a way a beta move to play to other people's whims to get what you want
However, where I disagree, is that when a guy has fully or like 90% integrated red pill, game, etc to the point where it is actually just part of his personality, everyday life etc and a guy no longer has to think about it, that he is no longer doing it for other people or anything, it's just who he is
So yeah, I suppose the process is beta but the end result is not. A guy that just lives a trp life effortlessly at the end result is doing it for himself and is not placating anyone but rather just acting in a self-fulfilling, primarily independent manner at that point
Peter_Henderson 1y ago
You said it much better than I could. Fully agreed!
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Appreciate it man!
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Peter_Henderson 1y ago
Try being me. I literally believe I'm a new person every day and that I'm not the same exact person who lived in my body yesterday.
It's very wild and chaotic, but I believe it is more truthful than what normal people like you believe (that you are the same person you were yesterday).
MrSupreme 1y ago
I think it is called Imposter Syndrome
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mattyanon Admin 1y ago
But it's not your personality...... it's the personality you developed yourself thinking that being nice was a good idea. Because you were taught that women like nice guys.
Then you find out you were lied to.
Peter_Henderson 1y ago
You are giving OP way too much credit here. Most people have zero control of how their personality develops.
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
That's kinda my point..... our personality develops in response to the environment.
Peter_Henderson 1y ago
Fully agreed -- but you know there's a term for this phenomenon right?
conformity
From wikipedia: Conformity is the act of matching attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors to group norms, politics or being like-minded. Norms are implicit, specific rules, shared by a group of individuals, that guide their interactions with others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformity
For example, if the secret to getting women to sleep with you is stuffing your socks with green jello before putting on your shoes -- then I can all-but-guarantee you that TRP would include this on the sidebar -- even though it makes not one damn bit of effing sense...
Peter_Henderson 1y ago
TRP teaches men how to get laid.
If you want to invent your own method to get laid, what's stopping you?