A few examples of the kind of options women have has forced me to do some thinking. Not gonna lie, some of it has been demoralizing, but at the same time, made me realize that every success is actually way bigger than I thought.
Some of you guys (myself included) are getting very in our heads about not succeeding in the ways we want to but at the same time I'm really realizing how much weight any successful lay actually has in our modern dating climate, even you can't keep the girl around in the end.
We should actually be more proud of our own successes than we give ourselves credit for.
First one. About a month ago, I was at a singles group hangout and the organizer was telling us about a hookup she had. She's a 5 at best, probably a 4 because of her weight. She's less than average in the face I'd say and fairly heavy, not like bloated fat but she carries a lot of weight and it doesn't look good.
She hooked up with an NFL linebacker on a business trip. Just casually, with no effort. A heavy 4 got a linebacker, who fucked her in a shed. Then she hooked up with another dude less than 24 hours later. Those were her options as a heavy 4. She didn't even have to try.
I was at another singles group hangout last night and a HB7 at best showed us her bumble. In two weeks time she had 1900+ likes, 250+ recent likes, was talking to a few dozen matches (not even including the deleted users) and got two matches in between the time she showed us the app, put down her phone, and picked it up again 5 mins later to check for texts.
In about 15 minutes of playing corn hole and checking her apple watch, she had 12 new likes. She also said sometimes she "swipes left on every single profile and just makes fun of guys on conversation, just because she can". She knows she has options and doesn't care if she ruins some. She's just a regular HB7. Not even a 9.
Yes, this info is not new at all, we all know women have options, but this was really the first time I'd actually seen concrete, non-anecdotal examples in person. So it hit much differently, even as a TRP aware dude.
What's the point of me sharing this demoralizing set of examples? my point is that:
1) this is seriously the importance of improving yourselves (if you're not already pulling women). If any of you want a chance out there you need to stop mentally masturbating and put your face to the grindstone and really set out to be the best man you can be.
Even if you are succeeding out there already, improving still matters. Women are fucking surrounded by options.
2) when you guys do actually get the lay/get a girl out on a date, you guys are actually making it past an ocean of options.
You guys should be more proud of yourselves than you give credit for. Obviously if a girl that would fuck anything that gives her attention lays you then this isn't an accomplishment, but any other girl had a million options and still chose you.
Whether it was just for a ONS or she's turned into a plate, you guys are actually succeeding past literally hundreds of guys. I don't think a lot of you guys actually realize the gravity of the success that is.
So many guys on here get down about not spinning a ton of plates etc, but any success you guys are having is actually literally success on hard mode. I don't think a lot of you realize how much you are playing the game on hard mode.
Take your wins you do have with more confidence and pride than you guys are giving yourselves credit for and use it to catapult your desire to keep improving. Turn it into a bigger positive feedback loop than you guys are giving credit for.
I'm honestly not sure if this post will hit right the way I'm intending it to, but these events did make me realize how much more successful successes actually are
mattyanon Admin 1y ago
Agreed....... and a solid reason to ditch OLD.
And a good reason to avoid 7's too :)
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I still think OLD nets more lays per year than not using it at all if you minimize the effort you put into it. But yeah, when you do get a lay on it, you're succeeding more than you think
My post applies to in-person game as well when a girl you are gaming is surrounded by other men at the same venue, I just didn't add that in there
Terra 1y ago
I get your point correctly. At the same time this success, lays, will have diffrent weight depending on final goal, peer group quality, age, lay count.
Options when young, mean no options when older.
I already understand many things in theory I just didnt internalize them enough.
I could boil it down to: women are opportunistic (meaningles relatiinship will suffice for them if they get what they want, damaged later anyway), men apparently are different. With all the stuff that enables th3m to use every and each opportunity, what is end game for dud3s.
Like a crippled boy racing with olimpians and and the finish line someone pat him on a back with diploma and flowers.
Ok now I need to .schedule ons
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Yeah, I mean obviously not every lay is created equal. A drunk ONS from a 5 who was hurting that night and just wanted some rebound dick is not as valuable as a lay with a sober 8 who is picky and hasn't dated in a few months
But point is, even the low quality lays still have options like crazy and still picked you that night. That's the context
Terra 1y ago
Yeah man you trying to find positives. I totally get it and its true what you're saying. We're winners of each battle or most of.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I mean yeah, even if it's a ONS, so many other guys tried and failed with that particular girl. Possibly even guys who had slightly lower or even possibly higher SMV
These wins have so much more weight than they do in a vacuum
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Or just stop playing that game. Any success is merely algorithmic trickery to keep you addicted to the app. I look at Andrew Tate(who blasted the youtube algorithm lately) and I see a loudmouthed, bald, slack jaw hustler. If that's how we define success then I don't want it. All you need to do is look at tinder insights and you can see it's all BS. Look at Tate's videos and he's just a Rollo-repeater.
Some guy did an infographic after tracking all his activity from online dating. It was abysmal. He wasted so much time and money and did worse than even the worst day gamer. He was attractive, tall, rich, etc. If you live long enough you see a pattern to these things. They all eventually become advertising outlets for hoes. "come see me on insta" is the new tinder bio. Then they want you to come to their onlyfans. The problem is hoes don't want relationships, kids, marriage... they want money.
It's no different in Asia. I can get 70 likes in one hour and they will all be gold diggers, prostitutes, or low quality women. Or I can walk up to a woman on the street in front of a bar and say "hey you wanna get with me" and have her in my bed 5 min later, free of charge, raw dogging her while she's ovulating. So how do we define success? I've cum inside a lot of HB10s. My wife is maybe a 6 in her country, maybe an 8 in the US because she's not fat, lol.
Anyway, I was going to say more but she just got home so I'm gonna go soak my dick in her vagina for a few hours.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
This post was not a dig at online dating at all, nor was I suggesting it was the only way to game. Was just saying that considering all odds against you, to be proud of your successes on both apps and in-person game
whytehorse2021 1y ago
The odds aren't against you. That's the illusion. Rollo talks a lot about buffers. Phone screens are one of them. They create a scarcity by design but none of it is real. Like literally half of all women in the US ages 25-44 will be unmarried and childless their whole lives. 21% of marriages are to foreigners. 72% of people in the US are overweight.
Like just working out gets you into the top 28% of people in the US. Making over $38k puts you above average financially. Pizza delivery drivers can make more than that. So in reality, for most of the guys here, the odds are in our favor. That's why most guys here are getting pussy. Don't believe the lies that women are scarce, picky, etc. No they don't really have thousands of likes from GigaChads. They have thousands of likes from guys suicide swiping, fat bros, broke bros, betas, etc.
Now put that all into perspective and realize that you deserve better than some slow trickle of pussy from hoes. If a fat ass 4 ever pulls out her phone again lay the truth on her. She's a fat ugly hoe using a computer to inflate her ego. Why doesn't she have a ring on her finger? Where's the proof in the pudding? Why isn't GigaChad on her arm? Oh that's right, because all she can get is losers. Does she have options or is she just a pump and dump slump buster for a guy who wanted to nut?
Not only should you be proud of your success, you should throw it in womens' faces. Go ask out that 10 because that's what you deserve and knock her off that pedestal. I'm really starting to like asshole game the more I think about it.
Terra 1y ago
In the future I can see more effort put toward invitro and benefits for single mothers, coming
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Heck Biden and the Democrats ran on a platform of giving free child care to single mothers. I'm sure they'll eventually add invitro as covered under Obamacare. Co-parenting is already a thing.
But here's the problem: women don't want any of that. They want to be cum dumpsters for hawt guys.
Terra 1y ago
They can opt in with last few eggs.
gr8bollos 1y ago
This is why I think its so backwards when guys are like "Oh she caught feelings I need to dump her"
For a girl to catch feelings you have to get past an ocean of men, make it to the dating phase, make it so she wants to keep seeing you, make it so your her top choice to take that emotional spot.
Whenever I make a girl have Oneitis thats truly winning the hunt. Not getting the pussy.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Yeah, it is backwards unless she's so into you that you can tell it's killing her. If a girl I didn't want to LTR liked me enough that I could tell it were actually really affecting her I'd probably call it off. But if she was just a bit butthurt and no more I'd be like whatever, your choice to stick around.
I don't understand why guys drop their interested plates/FWB either barring notable exceptions
Obviously there are deeper layers to the concept I was discussing. The post was superficial but you correctly identify a deeper layer of winning over the competition