I believe every incel would not be an incel if he were to move to a more favorable location. The only exceptions are incels who have serious mental health issues and therefore would be incels anywhere in the world.
In fact, I believe inceldom is on the rise because changing your location is becoming harder in most Western countries, for reasons such as the housing bubble and spending more years in college. In my opinion dating apps and social media are just the final nail in the coffin: things wouldn't change much without them.
Every incel I have ever met had location issues. Like living in the countryside, or belonging to a very tiny ethnic or religious minority. Some still live with their parents, which most of the time means they're living in a location more appropriate for raising kids instead of trying to have a dating life.
I think most redpill content focuses too much on becoming the top 20% at whatever location you're at instead of simply moving to an environment where you're already close to the top 20%.
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Bulba 3y ago
The best locations for getting laid will always be the large multicultural cities. It’s a numbers game, so you’ll eventually hit the jackpot if you’re exposed to thousands of girls from diverse ethnic and cultural backgrounds. It’s not a coincidence that many popular day game influencers live in London.
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Problematic_Browser 1 3y ago
Unfortunately, as you yourself have noted, "changing your location is becoming harder in most Western countries".
It is to the point where location is becoming almost as immutable as height. The luxury of simply changing your environment isn't one that most men (especially the bottom 20%) have.
Bulba 3y ago
Yes, so in that sense the redpill is right to say that men should focus on making more money. However I still think that optimizing your location is underrated. Lots of men will buy expensive clothes and fancy cars while staying at a bad location instead of simply using their money to move to a better city.
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Problematic_Browser 1 3y ago
If he's making that much a year, he's not geographically bound except by choice.
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Hanscheezburger 3y ago
what's wrong with this?
sure thing, if you like that place. But what if you don't and you like the place where you can't get girls more + have a better job there?
Bulba 3y ago
Well, in this very specific case, I would obviously recommend that you should stay where you are and raise your SMV.
However I find that this is not true for most incels: most of them would be happier somewhere else, if they had the opportunity to move.
Onestepeveryday 3y ago
I agree a few incels are like that for external causes (location, genes, male/female ratio, culture influence) but most incels are like that cause they dont know go sexual dynamics work, or even worst social dynamics. Lack of game and low smv also work agaisnt them.
Bulba 3y ago
Unless an incel is mentally ill, there will always be a location where his lack of game and social skills won’t matter. For some guys, this may even be somewhere in Thailand or South America, but if such a place exists, then they are locationcels.
Onestepeveryday 3y ago
Thailand its a sexual tourism country, look at the irony many incels dont want to pay for hookers. Im from south america and I can tell you, many many guys dont have the balls to get laid or the game to aspire something more than being an orbiter.
The two examples you put are places when I belive you find them easy to get laid cause of wallet flexing or having an edge on genetics (being above average height or being a blue eyes blondie).
Bulba 3y ago
Forget about having money or being tall, it is possible to get laid in Thailand or South America simply by being an U.S. citizen.
However, if you're a local in South America, you have it much easier than people living in developed countries. Women are much less self-entitled and oftentimes simply being shredded is enough to get laid. There are no gymcels in South America. I know this for a fact because I also lived there for many years.
Onestepeveryday 3y ago
Its true, most guys that go to the gym get laid, incels rarely are found on gyms. But this is not an Asian paradise or a religion directed country, woman are as entitled and hard to deal with than other countries. Only plus we have a lesser % of karens and fatties (we still have a lot like all western countries).
Skev77 3y ago
I always thought that was the issue. I can’t imagine how frustrating that would be; not just lack of game but social incompetence is a huge strain. At least if you have a group of guy friends you have that stability. And depending on that group, you can be exposed to women more.
Onestepeveryday 3y ago
Sad thing is, incels group of friends are usually the same regards the social incompetence or are focused on pointless hobbies like gaming (im a gamer myself but I know its my worst selling point on the smv). There are exceptions like a chad leading the incel group and telling them his amazing slaying stories.
whytehorse2021 3y ago
That may play a part for some guys but younger guys are expressly placed in proximity to women their age via school and college. The key difference between myself and an incel in high school was that I approached some of the hundreds of women I was exposed to every day at school.
As men get older the pool of available women should actually increase in size and quality. Online dating also exposes men to more women. So the root cause of incels is women not choosing them. This is independent of location if all things remain equal. I mean you could go to a third world country where everyone is poorer and shorter and get an SMV bump but that's different from moving from a small town in the mid West to Miami.
So the question is why are women not choosing these incel men? Because they don't have to and they're not attractive. The average guy in the US is overweight. Women can support themselves. There's no incentive for them to get with an average man. Any guy can get into the top 30% of men just by working out since 70% are overweight.
One final thing is no guy has to be an incel. It's well known that you can sleep with a beautiful woman for money.
Bulba 3y ago
If it is possible for an incel to ascend by moving abroad, then he is a locationcel. It doesn't matter if he has to move to Miami or to Southeast Asia.
So my point still holds: all incels are locationcels. If you're attractive to Thai girls but not to American women, then you're a locationcel because you wouldn't be an incel if you moved to Thailand.
whytehorse2021 3y ago
Well everybody knows why the women in particular locations don't find most men attractive: Hypergamy and feminist grooming. It's not so much about population density as it is about the women. An incel could change themselves to be more attractive through many means, regardless of location. It just so happens women in particular locations have standards so high that most men will never measure up.
A great example of this is when I go to Bali and all the Western women tourists thumb their nose at me, while at the same time the locals treat me like a rock star. Same location, two different types of women.