After finding this sub almost a year ago I fixed all my insecurities revolving sex and relationships, and I haven't returned here in about 3 months, finding that after my big red pill realisation, coming back here was counter productive. I have some ideas to share with you guys on where the ideas in this sub can lead you to.
First, what I believe we are all suffering is a serious case of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWnmC4PaHHs .... Existential Nihilism. (that videos is 1 in a series of 6 about the philosopher of Nietzsche and Arthur Schopenhauer)
I think we are all suffering a hard case of fight club and the matrix disease, and we are here for answers, which is why the red pill is actually the best and only name for this kind of sub. The red pill is like having a wave full of realizations, you get that feeling of euphoria when you realize you can take control of the things you thought were beyond your power.
I'm gunna recommend some more stuff I wish had come into my life way earlier. I've seen him mentioned here before but if you haven't checked him out watch this fucking guy https://www.youtube.com/user/elliottsaidwhat
don't ask him anything, just start going through his videos, this guy takes it above and beyond any pick up artist and he makes the pick up artists really look more like marketing salesmen, elliott gives it all and more than all of them for free. Do something with your fucking life instead of chasing skirt and money, most of the time these girls think your pathetic because you have no other goals in life except chasing these two things, society has taught us that sex and money are the end goals, but this is absolutely wrong. Nietzsche predicted over a century ago that civilization was going to become this way, that society would produce poor desperate individuals like ourselves. I've just started reading these
http://www.uta.edu/huma/illuminations/kell22.htm http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/nietsche/tszarath.pdf http://evankozierachi.com/uploads/Nietzsche_-_The_Will_To_Power_-_Trans_Kaufmann.pdf https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joseph+campbell
Another big one is Joseph Campbell just youtube him, infact the best way to understand the ideas of these philosopher is just to youtube them first and read around them before reading there books, infact that's what I'm doing now as these books will probably be quite tough.
What we are going through is Nihilism and this sub has taught me that the first way down this existential pit is through our emasculation, and neutering. the first step up the ladder of realization is to take control of your masculinity. The guys mentioned above will tell you how.
Great men go through what is called asceticism its an abstinence of worldly pleasures done in order to gain physical and metaphysical health. The earthly pleasures of the world, like sex, are seen as temptations straying you from achieving greater self wellbeing, Take control of your deep inner self first then obtain the pleasures of the earth. If you abuse all the worlds earthly pleasures at once then you become idle, you lose the urge to move or work for anything, you feel entitled to such pleasures first then it becomes the end goal in life when it should be a reward for discipline, its the epidemic of today.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Meditations-Penguin-Classics-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0140449337/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399557034&sr=8-1&keywords=meditations one of the greatest books on being a man in the world, going through the temptations of life, written by one of the greatest men in the history of mankind a Roman Emperor.
Nietzsche's idea of "the last man" is that we are the end result of this struggle of human civilization. Our only goal in life is to make a living and keep ourselves warm now. The state takes care of everything and there is no real purpose set for the smaller men in society. We have grown up to be shitty individuals and I believe this is the root cause of women's frustration, do not put all your energy into a woman, find something in life for you to do first! Find a great cause that goes beyond yourself! Then you are ready to have a good woman in your life.
4vox1 11y ago
Interesting
[deleted] 11y ago
Exactly. We can discuss women, feminism, and how to be dominant in society all day, but until you find your passion in life, none of those things will make you feel better. I'm not saying those discussions aren't valuable, I'm just saying you should always come before your analysis of the world.
BaconBeard 11y ago
I'm 27, no passion to speak of yet.
Pubesauce 11y ago
This has always been my biggest issue in life. I've known a lot of guys who developed healthy, productive hobbies as children that later became their passion in life. One guy started coding at 10 for fun and is now a network engineer making six figures doing what he loves and basically making his own schedule. Another started creating shitty websites for fun in his teens and now makes businesses, gets them to the point of success, and sells them. He too makes a ton of money and can live/work anywhere and anytime he sees fit.
Meanwhile I never developed any sort of productive hobbies as a kid. All of my hobbies revolved around consuming - whether that be my love of good food, music, movies, porn, games - it's always consuming, not creating that I enjoy. It's left me at 30 with a degree in a field that I am indifferent towards and a nihilistic/depressed mindset that I'm having a hard time shaking off.
One of the most important things a parent can do is to encourage a kid in his hobbies and help cultivate a productive mindset. My parents never did that and it has hamstrung my progress in life. I'm just now digging my way out of that hole and I'm a decade behind those guys who grew up with a passion and clear idea of what they wanted to do in life.
jakethesnake76 11y ago
i am over 50 and just now finding mine it's never to late.
BaconBeard 11y ago
You sound just like me!
30303030303030 11y ago
same boat
Trp will give you women, it did to me, but after a while you are back at square 1 if you don't have an passion in your life. Fuck money, really, I just want to be driven and happy about something. Something I'd want to excel at.
Pubesauce 11y ago
That's very true. I grew up convinced that this emptiness I felt inside was caused by a lack of female attention. Then as an adult I've had a few long term relationships and that emptiness persists. The only thing I've really figured out at this point is that a woman is not the answer to my problems in life.
I agree with this to an extent. I had the same nonchalant attitude about money when I was younger due to having come from a well-off family. After living on loans, help from family, and paycheck-to-paycheck while working for years I've become more than a little envious of people my age who are well off. And at 30 it isn't just an anomaly like it was when I was 20. You don't have to be a brilliant, gifted person to have achieved success by this age. In fact, financial success is the norm for all of my peers and now I am the outlier.
I do feel like if I had some sort of drive and passion in life then a career and financial success would likely be a secondary issue though. When I try to think of something that I enjoy doing and is productive in some way, I draw a blank. Everything that I enjoy doing nobody would pay me for. Everything that anyone would be willing to pay me for I wouldn't enjoy doing. I've been asking myself the same damn questions on this topic ever since people started talking about what they were going to major in at college and that was half a lifetime ago. I was alone among my peers in that I had absolutely no passion in life to build from, and therefore no idea what career would be right for me.
8HourPower 11y ago
You can experiment with several activities that you may find to be attractive to you. Music, painting, living in the woods, hunting, etc. keep faith and find your passion
dvrzero 11y ago
I hear you. I used to be passionate about police abuses. Or politics. Or financial markets. Or bit coin. Or the cloud.
One by one the universe has conspired to darken those paths, the first three because of deep rage and anger, the latter two because money is a shitty construct and I feel, very deep within my being, that I, personally, do not need more of it.
So I have a temporary homestead, I am collecting knowledge and physical tools, collecting data about where I live, etc.
It is bordering on passion, indeed. However I feel I need to let go of the desire to talk to others about this, as others will inevitably cause seeds of doubt to form. Should I grow corn? What about bamboo? People have very strong opinions about this sort of thing, and I have even receive vitriol for being a homesteader that refuses to use conventional weed killer, heavy machinery, synthetic fertilizer, etc. I have to toe a delicate line because I do not live in a vacuum, there are three other humans and a slew of animals that absolutely require my strength, capital, and presence to maintain their standard of living. So having doubts is a mind-killer.
I feel this is something I should be more passionate about; right now I am trying to convince myself that this will all be worthwhile in 5 years and thereafter for the rest of my life.
Just some thoughts.
maderail 11y ago
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skyw4lk3r 11y ago
So in essence, you had enough money first before you could do what you were really passionate about such as homesteading right?
dvrzero 11y ago
I have enough money to make a lot of mistakes and be very lazy.
If I had to work, I'd probably move to another country as US land is too expensive for what you're getting. With that being said, I am still looking for the "perfect" or close enough plot of land to call home until I die. If that is in the US, fine. If not, well, immersion is the best way to learn a new language, right?
Edit: I should say that other than maybe $1000 for hand tools you don't need much. I mean a chainsaw is nice, but I still take trees down with a Michigan Axe from time to time. I have a backpack blower, but I still use a rake every week. I have string trimmers, but I mostly let my goats clear to the ground for me.
If I moved to... East Texas, or Mississippi, I could probably do it for a couple of thousand dollars initial investment, assuming there was potable water someplace nearby. That's been my biggest expense.
[deleted] 11y ago
Get a motorcycle brah
BaconBeard 11y ago
I got a motorcycle license then never followed through with the motorcycle because I can't afford it.
[deleted] 11y ago
I mean I guess it depends where you live but I'm 21, work a lowish wage job and was able to put away 5k to get a motorcycle, gear and insurance. If you have the means I highly recommend picking one up.
heist_of_saint_graft 11y ago
Find one fast. There are dire consequences to being a man over 30 without passions to pursue.
Derkdigg 11y ago
What is your passion? What are you doing about it?
not_that_lebowski 11y ago
Wrong question. Instead, ask, "how did you find your passion?"
Derkdigg 11y ago
Both are valid questions.
dreckmal 11y ago
I didn't find any until I was 31 and divorced.
skyw4lk3r 11y ago
what did you end up finding?
dreckmal 11y ago
That life has exactly the amount of meaning I invest into it. Life doesn't get better unless you make it better.
If I am not passionate about something? Move on. Find the passion.
I have become passionate about myself. I have already lost 50lbs of fat, and increased my muscles. My attitude has changed completely. I have the ability and the desire to make myself better. within 3 months I have made an almost 180 degree change.
I am far less depressed. I am far more social. I am willing to let things happen, and see where life takes me.
I have learned to let go of my anger towards women. I have found that I have the power to attract women as well.
Honestly, it has less to do with age, and more to do with being pushed. I got pushed, and I have been flying ever since.
skyw4lk3r 11y ago
dude.. you totally rock!
dreckmal 11y ago
You rock too. You just gotta go out and make it happen.
DanReggins 11y ago
I'm slightly older (early 30's) and I got this advice here before, and it's actually been the most profound to me.
What resonated with me was the advice that I help and mentor others.
I'm not where I want to be yet, but I know where in the world I can go to get the individual things I want (I've travelled a lot). I know that career-wise, I'm technically a winner -- but further advancement will require being at the right place at the right time and knowing the right people. This luck has more to do with success than I wish it did, but that doesn't change much.
When you talk to guys in their 20's, they might not know this stuff, and from what I've seen, especially here, they're eager to ask and learn and do their best to get somewhere in this difficult economy. The boomers try to manipulate them with bullshit, and they just want some straight talk.
Helping others get somewhere definitely goes beyond oneself, and feels pretty good too.
[deleted] 11y ago
"A great cause that goes beyond yourself" is rather meaningless and circular.
In the end, it's all about yourself
DanReggins 11y ago
And do you want to be an insular douchebag, or someone who contributes something?
Decide!
ibuprofiend 11y ago
In this day and age, every educated or intelligent person is plagued by nihilism. We all find distractions so it doesn't bother us as much, but no one can ever overcome it. That's just how it goes. We're creatures biologically programmed to seek out meaning, living in a world without meaning.
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It's hard to be anything but nihilist. It is such with God being dead.
jd_coud9 11y ago
That is absurdist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism
[deleted] 11y ago
Nihilism and absurdism are actually linked though, unlike existentialism/nihilism
ibuprofiend 11y ago
Yep. It is our plight as thinking animals.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
I've always had a passion for logic and arguing, I always notice flaws in peoples argumentation and have always had a good ear for contradiction, irregularities and such, so went into Law. That was the noble side of me going into law, the darker Machiavellian component relevant to Law came later. I come from a poor family so moving into such a specialisation is incredibly difficult, especially when you have lecturers who just half ass giving you the knowledge you need or the methods to get the knowledge you need, causing you to frantically Google, search academic databases and struggle in general because you lack the direction and guidance to master your syllabus.
Since I started blogging I've discovered I love to write, I never actually wrote much as a kid. I used to draw as a kid and I enjoyed it, but I was never any good at it. I'd make crappy pictures but I'd be happy I made them because I liked the feel good feeling of creating something that I could call my own. As a kid your quality standards tend to be quite low. Now when I write I'm a perfectionist. Some of my articles have a ridiculous number of revisions, like 50+ and one revision can just be one word or turn of phrase being substituted for another, the position of a comma was moved or a sentence I didn't like the flow of was omitted. It's also the reason most of my reddit posts are edited, I'm something of a lingual perfectionist.
My talent for writing is quite weird. I've always had an affinity for words, as in, I've always been very sensitive to word selection, I'm quite pedantic as in I like to be very specific with word choice, I am sensitive to the nuances in language and always try to use the most apt words to describe what I want to communicate. I have an emotional connection with words, that is to say, some words "feel better" than others when you want to put a literary piece together. I can quite literally "feel my way" through the creation of a sentence until I get something potently commanding.
I got an A in English at 12th grade level without doing any revising or really putting any work in, which astounded me. I usually have to work hard to get high grades, I was never one of those kids who just turned up and got A's because he had eidetic memory and perfect concentration. I used to write official letters to government authorities and businesses for people because they never knew how to word things correctly, when making demands or bargaining via letter you need to be very rhetorical with your word choice and create a sort of "command presence" within the fiber of your words. I find it easy to spell 99.9% of words, there are random words that trip me up though.
My mother used to do my spellings with me every night before I went to sleep as a kid and I remember I'd score 17/20, 18/20 etc when I was about 7 or 8 years old. I'm sure that helped my brain to develop in a way that is conducive to literary proficiency, I'm not sure if there have been any studies done on it, but it was practically ritualistic, she'd do it every night with me.
I'm also starting to find a passion for philosophy, which arguably, is related to Law, there is something of an overlap. Unfortunately a philosophy degree won't put food on the table, becoming an author requires a lot of support and law is competitive as fuck, the people making most of the money have social capital/connections and came from wealth to begin with so went to the best schools and had the best teachers.
Don't be fooled into thinking that skill alone is enough, there is a "luck" variable too. You need exposure. I had this conversation with a friend recently, extending the basic philosophy question of "if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to see hear or it, did the tree fall?" into a metaphor of: "if you make a masterpiece but it is never recognised, have you truly made a masterpiece?" follow-up: "if it was a masterpiece wouldn't it be recognised as being a masterpiece, surely the fact nobody recognises it as such means it lacks the merit to be considered something worthy of such praise?" there is an inherent assumption that people have the skill to acknowledge and value talent, but this is not always the case. Don't get me wrong, skill speaks for itself, but that skill needs to be seen and create an impression within the right people in order for it to get the acknowledgement that it deserves, and for success to ultimately be attained.
An example of this is the philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer, it is incredibly saddening that he never knew of his own success. Whilst he was alive his philosophy was overlooked and he didn't receive any major recognition for his philosophical prowess and unique mind, when he died he "was discovered" and people started to appreciate what he had achieved, what he had written and how he thought. How incredibly saddening that such a great mind never had the pleasure of being acknowledged for its creations whilst he was still alive.
Despite my passions, I am incredibly nihilistic. I have a very dry, crude sense of humour. I take the piss out of stupid things, I am incredibly cynical, I expect the worst and see positive outcomes as bonuses. I call bullshit and possess a general ability to laugh about anything and everything by finding some sort of ironic nuance in it and twisting it around via reductio ad absurdum to make a point of humour out of it. I'm pretty fucking good with puns and double entendre too. Humour eases the soul when you've had a tough life. I think I might be developing a passion for stand-up comedy, but I've not explored that fully yet.
Find your passions and once you find them, practice them, they will bring you great joy. If they make you money and you become prominent within your field of choice that's great, but even if you don't "make it big", you'll be happier than the next guy whose only passion is of a consumerist nature eg: getting drunk/porn/games/drugs etc. The good feeling you get when you produce something to a high standard is a type of moral pride, you are justifiably proud of your creation and have an intimate connection with it, when you are happy because you have consumed something it is because what you consume is acting upon you, you are not acting upon it, you're passive rather than proactive. To truly be happy you have to be able to express yourself, be that writing, comedy, debating, building shit, fighting, whatever.
Passion is fundamentally the epitome of expression, one must realise this in order to find their passion. What is it you want to express? What makes you sad, what makes you angry? What activates your sense of morality? What snaps you out of mediocrity and has you form an opinion on something? What makes you want to take action? The answer to any of these things is something that you're passionate about. Now find a way to express that passion in a way which is useful to other people and you begin to have the beginnings of something special. Get a lot of exposure to your passion and if it's good enough people will find it useful and assign it value. Repeat this cycle and hone your craft and essentially you end up with a marketable product/platform/service that is in demand and produces value.
We can all produce, but one can typically only produce what one wants to produce. Forcing ourselves to produce things we don't care for leads to an inferior result and a sense of nihilistic torture in the process. You have to live in harmony with yourself, rather than force yourself to grind pay cheques, that's no way to live in a reality where life is all but fleeting.
[deleted] 11y ago
No, he gained fame before he died. His last years were his happiest by every account I've read.
IllimitableMan 11y ago
Strange, not what I read, but I don't care to argue the fact.
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[deleted] 11y ago
Sorry to bring you down, but your interpretation of Nietzsche misses completely, and existential nihilism is pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
edit: I was entering the dentist's office when I wrote the above and now have time to explain.
Nietzsche believed asceticism to be the opposite of the natural life force of the powerful man. Just because he believed this to be so does not invalidate your claims however: anyone worth their salt is going to turn away from the enticements of the herd and determine what they value through introspection and testing. When I was 20 (and truth be told, because I was under the influence of Nietzsche) I dropped out of my worthless college literature studies and decided to walk through Mexico with out a cent in my pocket. Insane, yes, but it was the moment in my life that describes what it is you are referring to: unplugging, and risking what seemed to be a pitiful living in an attempt to find life. While I was very interested in exploring what I thought of at the time as the 'razing of the idols', a nihilism towards the institutions and beliefs that I saw as controlling the people in the US, it was also clear to me that what I was moving towards by doing so was 'being', not the non-being implied by 'existential nihilism'.
I have a sincere bone to pick with this 'existential nihilism' because it is an oxymoron: existentialism is the philosophical study of subjective being as the starting point of developing meaning (an ontology for the modern human), and nihilism describes an inherent meaninglessness, originally and correctly applied to social institutions. When someone first brought this term up to me a year ago I instinctively wrinkled inside. I searched it up on wikipedia thinking it must be some article put up there by some intellectual midget and found I was correct: it was a short article of two lines linked from several places, but of no real worth, with references created in the past two years. Over the past year this entry has been fleshed out and given some substance, but still lacks coherency: it is a term coming from film criticism, not philosophy. It is a term that negates itself, but that describes nothing else. Existentialism is not a pit, it states in the most basic terms that your subjectivity is an appropriate place to begin understanding the world from. It only appears to be 'a pit' or meaningless from the outside, and in this case you are not in the existential frame of reference. 'Existential Nihilism' is philosophical persiflage and I highly recommend you do not use it in the context of an actual philosophical discussion due to the fact that anyone truly familiar with Nietzsche, existentialism, or nihilism will know you are full of shit. My main hatred of this term is its weakness: people who are strong and who revolt against mass mind control find meaning in the act of revolt itself, in the power of the ability to do so that ignites from within, not a bland and vaporous meaninglessness in their own being. The strong in spirit coalesce in the crucible of emptiness, the weak and timid fade into this passive self-hatred.
The good news is that you don't have to cite those sorts of terms to understand what is important to you or what your path is. From what I understand of your post you have oriented your point of view to seeing from the inside out and found a sense of purpose in developing your capacity while valuing your perceptions and interests above the opinions of others and social pressures to conform to an eroding masculinity. Right on.
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This interpretation is entirely dubious, have you even cracked Zarathustra? Surely the stoics and Diogenes were both obsessed with deliberate ascetics, but Nietzsche was hugely influenced by Diogenes. Nietzsche didn't like the stoics for the thread of their defeatism and lack of soul; Diogenes was literally parodied with the lantern scene in Zarathustra.
Point being; asceticism isn't an end in and of itself: it's a tool. The problem with asceticism for Nietzsche is the same as the problem with all ends in themselves; they are meaningless.
skinisblackmetallic 11y ago
How so?
[deleted] 11y ago
I assume you didn't read it in the original German? Then your interpretation is likely skewed by whomever translated it. Language is thought.
Forget the false Appeal to Authority by claiming this philosopher said this, and that philosopher said that... make your own lessons. Learn what you can from the wisdom of the ages, but name dropping is essentially pointless, since everyone interprets everything through the lens of their own experience.
[deleted] 11y ago
One does not need to read Nietzsche in German to understand that he believed that asceticism in society was the first sign of decadence, that is, the end of powerful men and the valuation of resentment towards life. This is in several of his works, and is not really open to interpretation.
I agree that there is no need for a false appeal to authority to validate one's thoughts: simply state them and let us decide whether or not they have value to us.
ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 11y ago
this is incorrect - read my above post.
ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 11y ago
actually, nietzsche explains that asceticism is just one form of the Will To Power and Will To Life - those that practice asceticism are deliberately disconnecting themselves from the human needs and motivations that enslave them, and in this process they are actually re-affirming the human will to live and express one's self. it is very similar to the point you made about "people who are strong revolting against control, and finding meaning in the act of revolt itself".
you are also very mistaken about 'existential nihilism'. there are many different forms of "nihilism". it's really just a word that different people use to describe different things. (existential) nihilism in the nietzschean sense describes a lack of inherent, objective meaning of human existence. it does not imply that there is no subjective meaning for different persons. the creation and cultivation of this subjective meaning in each individual is actually probably the biggest theme of nietzsche's writings, along with many other philosophers who have written about this form of nihilism.... not to mention that it's one of the biggest themes of our current red pill philosophy. you're really missing an important point here.
you say that you read nietzsche back when you were in college. i'd suggest that you give him a go again if you can find the time. i think you'll find a lot that you missed the first go around.
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The will to life is from Schopenhauer, and is something that N. was riffing on with the will to power, but extending. Nietzsche's take on asceticism is spelled out most clearly in Geneology and Beyond, and he clearly sees it as a stage in the weakening of the human, from the originally powerful man (think of a teutonic warlord, like Beowulf) to the civilized one living in a decadent society. While it is an attempt to access power with what means exist, it is still a turning away from life: rather than dominate and control one's environment one rejects the world as a means to take power.
while people frequently reject Kaufmann's Will to Power as not essential Nietzsche, I believe there is a very relevant section in this compilation that shows Nietzsche's take on nihilism as a stage in the process of becoming what Heidegger referred to in his 'Nietzsche' as 'the artist', the essentially creative being (which you are referencing above when you say "the creation and cultivation of this subjective meaning in each individual is actually probably the biggest theme of nietzsche's writings". This has little to do with existential nihilism though, as it was well understood before the creation of this faddish term, which has entered the vernacular recently and in my opinion is irrelevant. Nietzsche's own take on nihilism was that it was a reaction to absolute christian values (read: dominant social mores of the time, and a presumption that values could be absolute/objectively true), and not the thing it claimed to be. It was a step towards a more profound revelation of selfhood. This is not 'existential nihilism', which is a neologism. I'll say it again: existential nihilism is a statement that has no meaning. It is a syncretism that is used most frequently in the context of 'life has no meaning, amirite?' It leads nowhere because it assumes the existential take to already be meaningless.
ROTHSCHILD_GOON_1913 11y ago
yeah, i agree with you that "existential nihilism" is semantically a pretty stupid term. personally, i think that philosophy terms are pretty pointless and arbitrary in general, so i just don't use them. when you label and categorize everything you just create confusion and contradiction, and end up with stuff like "existential nihilism".
also, i think that nietzsche's commentary on the weakness of men due to civilization and decadence and the consequences of and the motivation behind the asceticism of philosophers and priests were pretty clearly separate. and nietzsche's overman is not concerned with dominating and controlling one's environment. zarathustra was a lot closer to an ascetic than he was to a bismark.
[deleted] 11y ago
I also agree with your take on Zarathustra: he was Nietzsche's voice, conceived during a time when the author himself had left the world of the academy to deal with his sickness in Italy, an ascetic who worshipped the truth rather than a god. In the Genealogy Nietzsche's separate essays are constructive and borrow from the preceding. The third on asceticism recalls the former two and links asceticism to the slave morality stemming from christian virtues, which evolved from the original master morality. While he recognizes the virtue in directing the will to overcome the sickness of living in the world, ultimately he also sees it as a triumph marked by preferring to will nothing rather than will nothing at all, essentially, it remains anti-life. This is all part of his longer conversation that runs through his life work on the stages of christian morals -> pessimism -> nihilism, which arrive at the more fruitful creative spirit of the artist after the stage of nihilism is understood to be a reaction to morality/absolutism.
I know, the terminology can be stupid, but sometimes it's what we have to discuss if we are going to be talking about the past. At best it provides a reference, at worst people use it as a short cut to making statements rather than thinking for themselves.
skifer 11y ago
Also Joe Rogan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1csNcTKnLM
Plumerian 11y ago
Great post. Nice combo of ideas not typically seen here, yet definitely related.
awfukbye 11y ago
Seconded. Bookmarked for after work I have some videos to watch
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heist_of_saint_graft 11y ago
Good post. Re: Joseph Campbell, I recommend the book "The Power of Myth". It's one of the books that helped me, pre-TRP, figure out that I needed to find a greater cause to drive me, and that I needed to be "at the center of the wheel of fortune", not its edges.
Not into books? "The Power of Myth" is just a transcribed conversation between Campbell and Bill Moyers. You can watch / listen to all 7 hours of it on Youtube, beginning here.
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beginner_ 11y ago
The problem I have with this is that we now have a lot more scientific knowledge about our universe. The big bang and the huge distance and time scales involved. And finally the heat death of the universe so far away in 10^100 years.
So how can whatever I do have any meaning in this context? It can't unless you belief in a higher cause or being. So the only "meaning" I can see is for myself only and it is to be able look back and have as little regrets as possible so to be less or not afraid of death.
Note: This is another example of egoism being a good thing because if I strive to have as little regrets a possible I will be better and happier and so will be my surroundings.
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The cure for aging is apparently not far off...
Waldo00 11y ago
Dare I say one of the best posts in here... Screaming in my face wake up.
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[deleted] 11y ago
same here. Elliot's inspirational without being phony. He simply tells shit like it is.
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If you're interested in the thread of thought of the OP, you should study in this direction, in roughly this order:
Presocratics
Homer (you should read The Iliad and The Odyssey either way), Aristophanes, Sophocles, Euripedes, and books on Greek Mythology
Plato
Aristotle (less relevant for Nietzsche)
Cynics
Stoics
Read history books on the Greeks
Read history books on the Romans (not much important philosophical thought comes from them)
Study and know the Bible; read vaguely about Aquinas, Augustin
Study Descartes, Hume
Study enlightenment thinkers (a shallow dive into Rousseau is all you should need)
Read Spinoza, Kant, maybe Hegel if you want to go HAM
Read Schopenhauer
Dostoevsky isn't bad, neither is Kierkegaard if you want to get into the more pro-Christian side of existentialist thought
Remember, no amount of time you spend learning these topics will go to waste. This is the intellectual structure that defines a huge section of western thought. If you come through these, it will change your world view.
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