In response to my comment on "Quality Women and Alpha Males: Two Examples from my Family" by u/Psychological_Radish and requested that I include which passages from Nietzsche I was talking about in my original comment by u/barnowl5 and u/edge_lord_super_17
Do You Tremble Carcass?
"Carcasse, tu trembles? Tu tremblerais bien davantage, si tu savais, où te mène." -Turenne
It translates, "You tremble carcass? You would tremble a lot more if you knew where I am taking you." spoken by Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne while addressing his soldiers before battle.
Nietzsche chose to include it as an aphorism at the beginning of his fifth book in the Gay Science titled, "We fearless ones" as if to make allusions to his philosophy, that these ideas are dangerous and these Truths, difficult to accept. Similar to red pill theory, his writings can be seen to have many congruencies but are much broader than just social and sexual dynamics.
Start by reading Nietzsche's book, Beyond Good and Evil. Make sure you get the Walter Kaufmann translation for Everything Nietzsche. I've drawn on The Gay Science and his essay on the Genealogy of Morals regarding slave morality and master morality
Pertaining to this comment and post- The Gay Science:
Read:
Book one-21- "to the teachers of selfishness"
Book four-290- "One thing is needful"
Book five-345- "Morality as a problem"
Beyond Good and Evil and Genealogy of Morals:
Essay two is where Master and slave morality are discussed. I've also wrote this comment with the sections above from the Gay Science in mind. I might make a post on this but wanted to start here to allow for discussion.
My original comment: "Alpha act based on what they want. Betas react to what women think they want a man to be and try to mirror that. Fundamentally, it’s a matter of identity; the alpha knows who/what he is and builds upon that. He’s taken time to figure that out for himself. The beta has not. The beta lacks internal identity and so reacts to other people’s responses and and shapes his false self image based around the validation from others. Nietzsche talks about this along similar lines in more depth in the Genealogy of Morals , being the difference between Master morality and Slave Morality. Slave morality is always reactionary and in the case here, OP shows how women are not attracted to this way of thinking with two good examples and actually resent it in men. So how do you become more Alpha? Refrain from beta-making-behavior i.e pmo negative self talk etc and then 1. Reflect, 2. Become more disciplined, and 3. Implement new, more self-serving behaviors that may not be easy but allow you to grow. Nietzsche also talks about his distain for “self-sacrificial virtues,” virtues that put the good of the whole over and above the good of the individual. In OPs terms, these virtues make betas and naturally lack boundaries. I’ll stop here; might deserve a post on its own."
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Keith_Valentine 3y ago
Nietschze or whatever his name is can suck my fuckin log.
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Keith_Valentine 3y ago
Ive had like 4 guys leave comments on this and delete them. If youre gonna say some shit, stand by it. I really dont care.
Nietzsches hostility towards judeo Christian values and his edgy 'God is dead' rhetoric annoys me. People always said not being limited by God or standard morals and ethics would free people to be true to themselves and find a higher purpose. How did that turn out?
Wow huge shock. Tell people that life is meaningless, some might actually believe you. And its fuckin depressing. So the herd that he was disparaging are sad and medicated, and the Ubers are raping the world and not giving a single fuck. Thats some legacy Nietz, and not one i would be proud of. Hes a jackoff, fuck him.
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JamesSkepp 3y ago
This is great assuming the "alpha" in question has "natural" behaviours that attract women. There is no amount of "I want what I want" if what you want is to supplicate and pedestalize. There is no amout of "your identity" if your identity is "women worshipper".
According to you:
Sure, that makes sense in any context.
How do you know what is a self-serving behaviour in m-f context if you want to wine and dine her? How would you know that "dating" isn't the best self-serving strategy?
How would you know that "dating" is a self-sacrificial?
How would you know that "dating" is the lack of your boundaries?
How would you know all that without having at least a general PUA-era list of what to avoid or TRP-era explanation why should you avoid certain behaviours with women?
It's 2020 almost everyone here treats the basic tenats and rules of TRP as confirmed, true, working etc. IOW you take it for granted, just like people born after 2000 take broadband net for granted.
So now you can backwards rationalize that you don't need m-f TRP, b/c it's natural that you shouldn't buy that drink and Nietzsche already covers a broader area of being self-serving. You know that buying drinks is not self serving b/c PUA and TRP drilled that into you first.
TL/DR: Alpha does as he pleases which means you an wine and dine her, right?
throwabcdaway4 3y ago
Like many of people in this sub equally fascinated by any "strong" ideas of "authoritharism" and fantasizing about display of 'strength' / 'superiority' and all these ideas of who the fuck is superior to other people.... Nietzsche was a VIRGIN.
Rule n° whatever: Avoid Infection. Exit Nietsche. It's just mental masturbation. Find real, inspiring, everyday people and hang out with them.