I dated a bit, and I even started my first serious relationship. He is a really, really nice guy. Even when things went sour, he was always nice. Always caring, always there.
He was like, literally a brother to her!
I ruined him.
Are you here, reading brother?
He was raised right, and he was very good to me. I was not. Looking back, I don’t even know why I treated him so bad. A lot was just anger took out on him. 3 years later, we end things for good and on good terms.
tldr; After turning this boy into a burnt out husk, he agrees to assume dust form and blow off into the wind so that she may devour her next victim.
This taught me a lot about appreciation in my life as should everybody learn about at one point in their life.. but I guess this is where Karma comes in.
Typical weirdo women shakra stuff
I reconnected with somebody else that I dated.. and I guess this is where the “main” part of this entire post is significant. I love this guy. I mean I really, really loved the guy.
Ok, fess up, which one of you cretens was dicking this girl down?
But again, I could never be perfect. I was jealous, I was clingy, and I was very emotional. I was blinded by his changes compared to 4 years before that I just threw everything I had for the second time. I dropped all that I had and went for it. He promised me good things, I believed. I did not do any of this because of chasing love, but rather I viewed him as my best friend and somebody I really felt supported me in my decisions. This went on for a long time, the amount of trust was unbelievable.
She literally can not tell the difference between "supporting her" and not caring about her at all. Because she was raised to believe that the most amount of autonomy and men agreeing with her, rather than guiding her, is what "caring" is.
In this regard, it is impossible for a woman to separate being a plate and someone who actually is cared for. Because of course, who gives a shit what your plate thinks, right?
"Oh I'm thinking of taking out a 100k loan to stream on Twitch"
Oh wow, that sounds like a really bold and smart move for a super smart girl like you... wow, go get her tiger.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s a nice guy to his friends and family. Nobody ever believed me when I told them the way it was at home. I’ve counted 3 black eyes, unlimited bruises, countless times of being thrown on the ground, and 4 times I was choked til tears. The fights were always about the same thing, me wanting more effort on his end
Wow, this sounds horrible. What kind of monster would just not care about someone, have no motivation to do anything for her?
or being too clingy.. or saying things that he did not like.
Translation : He would not commit
He’s amazing to his peers, there for them, will go out of his way for them. Very loyal as well.. but to me,
Translation : I was willing to share
I didn’t even get 5% of it.
Translation : I was a maladjusted plate.
I am not perfect. I broke things around the house, but one thing I never, ever did.. was insult him or talk down on him.
Translation : I instigated the fights and physical violence and he smacked a bitch
I have been called every single insulting name out there besides my real name. I have been called Bitch and cunt so many times that I feel like it was plastered on my forehead. I’ve got scars on my body that taunt me, and i wake up from nightmares all the time. I tried my best to not stress him out. I tried my best to watch my words and actions, I tried for a long time to be perfect.
Translation : His SMV was very high.
You see, nobody ever saw this. Nobody believed me besides close friends who would physically see the bruises and the times I cried for help from hurting so bad. Even after this post, a lot of you will not think any of it is true and “she’s just being dramatic”. I am in no way trying to make him into a bad person, he’s really not. In fact out of all his friends.. I can safely say that he is the most loyal and caring for them.
Translation : Everyone knew this chick was mental.
Depression is no joke. I’ve called suicide hotlines several times in the past 6 months, I have looked into therapy and anti-depressants.. and I tried to reach out about it to him. He told me that I’m pathetic and to not bring it up around him. I was a crybaby, I sulked too much. I think this hurt me the most because he was my best friend and who I looked to for support.. but instead I was thrown away like I was invisible. I guess it just all got to me. In fact, I just texted him that I felt so alone that i wanted to end my life, and again, he replied that I am pathetic.
Translation : There is no psychiatric program for alpha widows.
And you know what, I am pathetic in many ways. I am not as successful or as intelligent as him and I sure as hell am not as strong. Til this day I admire so much about him. I mean, I really did care for this person. We had a lot of good times. In the end, it was all worth it.
tldr; I am RMV0 and have no self awareness
Although this makes him seem evil, I still don’t believe he is. It was only this way to me, and it was not always this way. I held with all I had to the last bit of what I felt I could take… but eventually when you’re told that you’re not cared about enough, you begin to not even care about yourself anymore. If I could just pinpoint how I could stop making all this hurt go away, I would… but I can’t. And that’s why I’m here.
Translation : After sleeping around a lot, I am incapable of feeling attraction to men who care about me.
Now I know what a lot of you are thinking, “ why did she depend her happiness over one person..” entirely not true. I would not kill myself over a guy. But could I feel more broken from what has happened? Yes. Could it exemplify my emptiness and open my wounds, yes.
Translation : I'm killing myself over a guy, because nothing else that has been sold to me as fulfillment has any value to me. My dopamine receptors are shot.
Realistically, this post may seem like I decided to end my life over a failed relationship. That is not true. It may have contributed to depression but all in all, I just feel alone. I may have had spurts of happiness, but whenever things turned sour, I returned right back to where he put me.
Enjoy the decline...
But to be honest peeps, I’m done. I’m hurt to the bone and I just don’t have any will power left in me. Please understand.
What do you think the chances are if we rewound her back to more simple times she'd have written this and killed herself.
Pretty much zero.
Stupidest shit I've read all week. Liberals will handwave this as "mental illness."
This isn't mental illness, this is cultural decline. She was a value system shift away from getting her life at least halfway sorted. Doubtful she'd be able to settle down after the CC ride she's been on, but at least for her to be able to understand how to make real friends, get a real purpose in life etc and start building something of value for herself.
This was a life lost to cultural decline, I'm sure of it. I'm not mad or sad.
This is just disappointing.
If this continues on, more and more kids in households that will begin or have begun in this forum will be addressing issues like this.
Just imagine having to watch your own daughter trainwreck her life for 10 years straight into the grave because everything you tell her to try and make her happy is "misogynistic" or "patriarchal."
This was a very honest letter. She framed it as "his fault," literally an external locus of control, but it was honest as far as she could understand honesty.
Reread this letter and my commentary and you can see how the hamster, and narratives spin.
This was a violent basketcase alpha widow with an external locus of control who was emotionally bankrupt that any man worth his salt should be able to see right through.
Dark read, but it's not often women dump their brains like this.

Redpiller77 5y ago
The only thing I got from this is that I want to be like that guy.
MajinD0pe 5y ago
Quality Post, thanks for writing this! I did learn something from this.
throwlaja 5y ago
She was obviously mentally ill. But she's also a victim. Women are hard-wired to bond with an alpha male. See how all religions always said you have to be a virgin, and marriage is for ever bla bla. Theres a very good reason for that, first is to avoid women bonding with random alphas and getting ruined for life (like this case), second is to avoid alphas ruining girls for everybody else (what we do here if we are not careful).
But we are modern, open, creative individuals that do not need that stupid antique morals right?
Right. See what happens.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
A victim of who, or what?
And if she's mentally ill, what fate would have she had in 1950?
How do you end up at this end without culture shepherding her there?
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Jesus Christ.
There would be a lot of contributing factors here. Could a different culture have changed this? Possibly. Put people in different epochs and culture and anything is possible.
But really, who the fuck knows what this letter is really about? She goes on about the dude but is that all just deflection from something else?
She goes round in a circle. Something in my intuition says this entire thing is a form of 'trickle truth'. Maybe you're right and she just has zero self-awareness of what's going on for her.
It has a feel of 'I'm going to talk about this weird narrative over there because I don't actually know what's happening right here'.
The hamster is crazy on this one. 'He was my best friend, such a support, who beat me and didn't do shit for me'.
I'm betting something in the cluster a or b category.
CommonKoala6 5y ago
That's how most women act entire life - I go into relationship with this guy, destroy his life, next tell everyone I feel sorry and I didn't know why I've done this (in this part there's 80% chance that I'll start blaming him) and next I'm gonna start bullshitting about depression.
All of these nowadays girls and young women are irresponsible, deranged human beeings. When they say one thing, they've actually done another.
Edit: I saw many videos of suicidal men (to be honest). And every guy that killed himself was very calm and silent before death, strangely relaxed. They didn't bullshit because they've made solid decision
This bi&ch above probably live now somewhere. She didn't end with herself because she's a coward. Like most young women and girls. They are cowards.
MajinD0pe 5y ago
Its not only Males bro, almost everyone that really wants to kill himself, Female or Male, they do it in silent without trying to get Attention, in my expierence the People that killed they self were the ones were you wouldnt expect it. Fuck a Friend of mine took his Life 5 Years ago, 2 days before he gone we were smoking Blunts and talking about Random Shit and we still dont know why he did it.
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bandraboyz 5y ago
TLDR - My nice husband didn't used me for sex and beat me so that I could think about it after to have an orgasm. So I went to somebody who gave me three black eyes and called me cunt because that's what I deserve.
mydogfartzwithz 5y ago
Yikes i didn’t think i’d find this here but yeah I don’t get it. I read that letter too and all i’m thinking was wow this is sad for the first half, the last half just reads about some random kid making her feel bad, like yikes. What the fuck am I reading this vapid drizzle for. And at the end she ended it. I can’t feel bad with the way that was written.
autoeroticassfxation 5y ago
And you have to respect the fact that she followed through, most female suicide attempts are desperate grabs for attention and sympathy. She must have been hurting like crazy. It's a pity she couldn't hang on because "this too shall pass".
I find the Stoic take comforting "Remember that the door is open. Don’t be more cowardly than children, but just as they say, when the game is no longer fun for them, ‘I won’t play any more,’ you too, when things seem that way to you, say, ‘I won’t play any more,’ and leave, but if you remain, don’t complain."
falconiawillfall 5y ago
That was a great read, appreciate the link.
failingtheturingtest 5y ago
This is a useless post. Your step by step analysis is bullshit. You're trying to read subtext in shit that isn't there. You seem to get some justice boner about an e-girl taking her own life.
Focus on your own shit.
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SigmundRoidd 5y ago
There’s an aura of anger in posts like these
They talk down women like they’re some inferior creature to men. It’s about understanding the nature of man and woman; that’s a neutral concept, no good or bad, no black or white.
TRP teaches you about people and life; not just women. Some of these guys are just stuck in their Ferris wheel of flame.
ktm450enduro 5y ago
Exactly. Thank you! This post reeks of retardation. I personally think the less you analyse and the more you work on self improvement the better otherwise its like, covert blackpilling. Anger never gave you anything except toxicity. Being angry and toxic makes you stop thinking.
pacosw 5y ago
Especially how he justified the guy physically abusing the girl. I mean does everyone here agree with that? Posts like these should be deleted. They are the reason this sub is quarantined.
I mean I know a lot of woman are fucked up and entitled but this post makes them look like some kind of subhuman disgusting animal or something
jojojijo333 5y ago
I don't like the doom and gloom, I always have hope but we are definitely entering a fucked up era
Bonus for you guys: Sam Vaknin Youtube channel and books (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs7s4lGt4ko)
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
I used to watch Sam. Do u think the guy was a narcissist ?
jojojijo333 5y ago
He said he was one
DareyFathom 5y ago
Because we are fucking allowing it. Libtards are forcing us into their Orwellian nightmare. Incremental changes are less perceptible, but cumulatively every bit as dangerous. The line should have be drawn years ago and never crossed.
TamirNice 5y ago
Your post would be a lot better if you didn't use the term libtard unironically.
flipdoggers 5y ago
What line do you think should have been drawn and how?
Gardener4Life4ever 5y ago
IMHO, freedom of speech, equality of opportunity not outcome, saving for the future instead of spending it now, etc etc.
bandraboyz 5y ago
For the people who wants source I can say that this is a legit suicide note as I've read from a suicide note of an alpha widow i know which is almost similar to this. Also there is another suicide note present online of a celebrity named Jia from India. It is similar to this.
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CosbyTeamTriosby 5y ago
Anyone else find themselves cross-eyed when reading this post? I cant understand a lick of it
Letscallaspadeaspade 5y ago
Fuck off with this, this isn't a liberal/conservative issue. Way to lose credibility.
theomniscience24 5y ago
In OP’s opinion, this is a direct consequence of a liberal lifestyle. The modern liberals, and especially women, use the term mental health in excessive amounts to explain away common behavioral problems. I understand his point. You may disagree but that doesn’t cost him credibility.
yeet_senpai 5y ago
why? isn't it the so-called "progressive" culture which brings such results?
Art_Pixel 5y ago
Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is what bitches do. Take your bleedingheart elsewhere if you can't separate the wheat from the chaff.
avinagigle 5y ago
Seems like here everything gets blamed on liberalism. As if conservatives never end themselves.
FinalFormal2 5y ago
Sorry bro, but it wasn't conservative ideas that brought about the sexual revolution. They certainly pussied out and didn't stop it, but they definitely didn't start the fire. I don't know if TRP generally misattributes problems to liberalism, but this certainly wouldn't be one of those cases.
sequentialanomaly 5y ago
Yep. Lost me with the political bullshit. Politicizing your argument is a cop out. Let your posits stand on their own.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
I used to think this way too. Had a couple revelations recently and had to call GLO and apologize. I was wrong, you're wrong.
sequentialanomaly 5y ago
Very little of politics is rooted in truth. If you're making a strong point, you're not using the fotm, buzzy political views off the present. You're using universally recognizable truth.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
Liberal politics and predominant western culture can be used interchangeably. So if it is less offensive, reframe the point as "current cultural norms."
e.g. Current cultural norms would excuse this self destructive spiral as "mental illness." People are trend more conservative, would view this self destructive behavior as a symptom of a problem with the culture itself.
iCeeYouP 5y ago
Damn all these simps in chat. OP ripped her entire post apart and guys here STILL want to absolve her of accountability of all of it.
BitchesBrew_MF 5y ago
Nor do these retards understand he’s giving them a lesson in translating womanese. The softies truly have infiltrated this place...
Terror-Error 5y ago
Source?
It's a bit unfair to blame culture on her actions. Nobody forced her to do any of this. Women pursue bad boys and reject beta males. Always have.
There's genuinely too much wrong with this, but in the end her pursuit of the bad boy who literally beat her led her to the grave. It's tragic, stupid and frustrating.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
I have trouble imagining a generation ago this woman killing herself. I'd be interested in someone to imagine this scenario before she was "empowered."
voomer53 5y ago
Right...."empowered women" are nothing more than lost souls looking for direction from a masculine man.. give them the freedom and the time to come up with "goals" for themselves and they will just self-destruct.
solstone109 5y ago
Notice how he doesn't deflects and focuses on the smaller question. What's your source
ktm450enduro 5y ago
You having some fetish with “alpha widow”? Man how I hate that phrase, its retarded as fuck.
Ask_For_Cock_Pics 5y ago
Its not. It clearly describes a female in a state of mind, with associated behaviors that there was no previous noun for.
matagad 5y ago
because it fucking is retarded
sadomasochrist 5y ago
You mean besides the fact it's literal in this case? She wrote a suicide note almost entirely dedicated to the fact the dude wouldn't commit to her and couldn't be assed to care about her.
Alpha widow is a good concept to learn and understand in these parts, mainly so you can avoid ever getting suckered into a LTR\marriage with someone like this.
It's not a phrase though, it's a concept. A woman who has a higher arousal (STR\AF) threshold than she can get in a LTR.
ktm450enduro 5y ago
Man you shouldn’t worry about this. Focus on improving yourself instead of analysing some people hard lives. Ever heard of the phrase judge not lest ye be judged?
sadomasochrist 5y ago
I'm not paid for this. If I wrote it, it's because I think it'd be helpful for men to read and because I enjoyed writing it.
I'm not even judging her, this post was written to show a light on liberal culture and the impact of alpha widowhood on women when they aren't masculine enough to thrive within the transactional culture left in the death of god (figuratively).
I don't usually respond to comments but I wanted to throw in a couple so people understand the post wasn't vindictive.
I know some ECs like to post shit to stir up emotions and generate outrage, and reaction.
So anyone feeling outrage, anger, ascribing anger etc to this post, in my opinion, are misdirecting their feelings from the incongruency of this culture.
I don't believe for a second this woman was "mentally ill." She had an external locus of control, which is pounded into her head from the time she walks until her last breath.
Her life wasn't hard. She just bought into the world that was sold to her.
She is just class of 14' Jane Normie. You could change her skin color, background, religion, hair color, name, job etc. It doesn't matter. You can change all of these things and she would seem ordinary.
Again, the failure here is to buy into her narrative that he was the "catalyst" in her downfall.
The sad reality is she "did everything she was supposed to." She got her online following, found her Chad, told her friends about him, talked to psychiatrists etc.
They all let her down. Because we live in the post truth era. There's no way to tell someone how to get from A to B when that advice is heresy.
I would bet the farm that a much, much larger number of women are unhappy with this path than they were unhappy a generation ago.
I also, again presented this as a red pill example. And it is.
Another way this could have been prevented is simply by her first boyfriend being masculine enough to keep her. Maybe right now instead we'd be talking about the post where she convinced him to open the relationship up. Or maybe she actually stays content and we're reading about a post where she says her friends tell her that "she's missing out."
But none of these alternate realities can exist because they are wrong think.
And for the Amelia Earhart's of the world, that's probably accurate. But let's be real, more women are this woman than Amelia.
Only on the fringe will discussions be had about the truth of what happened here. Because, we live in the post truth world.
That's my opinion.
Cheers.
ktm450enduro 5y ago
Its not that simple man. Mental illness is serious. What if she didn’t have the money to afford therapy and all? Maybe she was ignorant of that and didn’t want to get better. We’ll never know what she thought and what her demons were. Did she take drugs too/was she an alcoholic? All these things we will never know...
Was her lifestyle bad? Yes. Very bad. Huge amount of internet doses didn’t help too.
Did she seek proper help? No.
Was the last guy partly responsible? Yes he might have been the final nail in the coffin.
If a person is unstable, certain things can cause a shitstorm and then its only a time until shit hits the fan and everyone suffers.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
Again, I'd like to hear the lifestyle progression a generation ago and how it would have ended up like this. I doubt it.
And in that case, i have trouble buying into the idea that it was "mental illness" and at best you could argue that "this culture is making women mentally ill."
ktm450enduro 5y ago
First of all, technology makes everyone ill. Not just women.
Secondly all the messed up shit came during vietnam and the hippie era when women and men became free and hooked up on drugs. Where were the masculine guys? They had their legs and arms ripped off in war. Did women not commit suicide back in 60s? No one knew a lot of mental health back then. You should be looking at several generations mate.
Its just easier to brainwash and propagandise views than it was 60 yrs ago. Back then, you had to actively get out of the house and find some bad company. Now its literally delivered to you via the internet. You don’t have to be an extrovert like before.
sadomasochrist 5y ago
Ok, before the feminist revolution, paint me a picture to this woman’s death.
Just a thought exercise
ktm450enduro 5y ago
More like a research exercise. I’m sure you’ll find tragic cases if you search for them.
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Spoderman1340 5y ago
Someone ended their life and people are going to sit here and proclaim they dont feel sad or mad about it?
Clearly this person struggled to take full responsibility for her life and suffered many consequences for it.
If you think that suicide is an acceptable outcome for someone who needed real help and probably never got it then idk what to tell you.
Suicide is always a permanent solution to what are typically temporary problems. None of what she described can ever get better for her because she is now dead.
This post honestly reeks. Why is this here? What point are you trying to prove? Do you feel like a big brain for dissecting someone else's pain and misery?
Real brave of you to take it upon yourself to critique the life of someone who cant respond....because she is fucking dead bro. What the fuck is wrong with you?
sadomasochrist 5y ago
Right in the flaire, red pill example.
etc etc etc
BitchesBrew_MF 5y ago
And you’re giving them a lesson in deciphering in womanese...
yes_kid 5y ago
They dump their brains all the time, just read dating blogs.
OneTrueQ 5y ago
This one was bad lol, but real. Still working on removing my emotions from the culture we have to sift through. One of the hardest things to do.
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throwitdownman 5y ago
Lots of softies on the main sub. Truly the end of a great run.
tryingtolearnitall 5y ago
There’s too many cucks in here now, like yeesh look at some of these fuckin comments.
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