Been about four or five months since I last read any Redpill content, and About 10 months since I posted anything Redpill related, and I’m happy to report that my game has returned to a level where I have supreme confidence every time I go on a date, enter a club or talk to a woman. Not what most people here say, right? So often I read accounts of people who gave up their Red Pill journey and returned to their comfortable Blue Pilled ways, only to get walked all over by a woman who was previously begging for their cock, challenged by men who previously paid them the utmost respect, and insulted by randomers who sense weakness in their demeanour.
I admit, these accounts scared me, and I was extremely hesitant to stop studying the RedPill lest I become a blue balled, beta pussy. But at the same time, I looked at my track record since adopting the Red Pill, and I noticed that it was extremely poor compared to the results I had gotten in all the single years I had previous. “But this can’t be” I thought, “the Redpill is supposed to improve everything about your game and give you an advantage over the average guy, what am I doing wrong?”. So after I had a series of embarrassing failures with women, where I essentially had them eating out of my hand only to say something profoundly stupid (usually in response to a perceived ‘shit test’) and ruin any chance I had with them in mere seconds, I decided to take a break from the Redpill. I chilled the fuck out on the overthinking prompted by the Redpills examination of the social interaction between genders, stopped reading all Redpill readings and just did the things that matter. Focused on college work, made going to the gym five days a week with my mates a priority and just started going out on nights out without an agenda to pull women. After four or five months of this, I found that I was no longer turning to Redpill teachings to augment my every action with women, and my game had returned to the way it was when I started, although it was admittedly better as I had matured overall as a person in the time I was doing Redpill stuff.
I was no longer a complete fucking asshole, insulting women when I could, or brushing them off to make them work harder or qualify themselves. Instead I was walking around happy, sometimes acting cheeky towards them and offering minor challenges, but nothing that couldn’t be construed as just a bit of fun. The hostility was gone, the insecurity and pressure of acting like an alpha was gone, and (particularly on dates) my words just flowed and seemed to hit their mark more often than not. I had unintentionally built up a roster of women who want to date me, but understand that I’m not available right now because my Final Year in College was keeping me busy. But nonetheless, the harem I so desperately sought in my hardcore Redpill regurgitation days, was now developing organically, with all of them available to hit up whenever I felt like it.
To anyone who read the title and assumed I was a Redpill hater, I want you to know that that isn’t the case. In fact, I do believe there is a lot of good to be learned from the Redpill, going to the gym religiously, not being too sympathetic to women, not allowing them to be the focus of your success but rather the byproduct, recognition of the power you hold as a man and how to embrace your masculinity without becoming a toxic hostile cunt, looksmaxxing etc.
However, there is a lot of room for misinterpretation in the words we read here. Many believe everything they read here to be fact, and that goes for both the Big dogs like Rollo and Vasily to any random Reddit comment who’s author may or may not have any fucking clue what they’re talking about. This can lead you to begin reconstructing the way you think in the wrong way, and if your foundation is off, everything is off. In my case, I wasn’t exactly struggling with women before the Redpill, I’m was considered good looking by others and I spoke well even if I was a bit of a nice guy at times whose backbone disappeared when challenged. So I turned to the Redpill to improve my game, thinking it would bring me to the next level. But as is so often the case, I went from one extreme to the other, and when I thought I was Redpilled, what I actually was was an aggressive, overly sensitive, condescending douchebag who overthought every single interaction. So a break melted away a lot of that hostility and the really important stuff I learned from the Redpill remained.
I can now say that I am at my peak in basically every regard, I am just fucking loving life at the moment. Not just with women or work, but everything. And the Redpill played a key part in the journey. While I will probably never be the kind of guy who frantically digests every bit of Redpill knowledge I come across (because for me, that just wasn’t working), I will no doubt pop in to remind myself of certain things every now and again.
Thank you whoever reads this, and apologies for the wall of text.

bsutansalt 6y ago
Locking this since you said what you came here to say, your thread wasn't properly formatted, and the necessary feedback was given.
For those who came here for the thread title, my post here may be what you're looking for:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/fddrw1/rasktrp_rpec_advice_ama_megathread_ask_away/fjij6kg/
Testinat0r 6y ago
You turned away from the red pill and finally got chill enough to actually practice red pill ways.
The problem was you, not the red pill. That you didn't manage to interpret trp in the right way, doesn't mean the strategy is wrong.
Happy you found your ways and instead of forcing trp upon yourself, you let all the knowledge flow in it's most natural way. Continue doing that. Don't stress. And TRP will never be something stopping you to achieve your goals, but something that guids you towards your goals.
Redamar 6y ago
I agree, my interpretation of things was all off and that in turn made me act like an idiot.
I don’t condemn the Redpill methods, rather I have a newfound respect for the power the knowledge holds. Channelling the stuff you learn here in the wrong way is a recipe for disaster, but do it correctly and you’re in for a good time.
TitsAndWhiskey 6y ago
I think that happens pretty frequently. It’s not like this sub is the Teacher’s Edition of your math textbook or something. You can’t just memorize and parrot shit like your jerkoff teachers taught you to do.
You have to actually learn and apply some modicum of critical thought to the concepts presented, then incorporate them into your life in an authentic way.
You’ve internalized. That’s the correct thing.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
Exactly. TRP didn't ruin your game. It was your autism and lack of experience.
You went into the field, applied the theory, failed, learned your lessons, then went into the field again and applied the theory correctly. That's how it's supposed to be done.
Pussies who want a life free of effort and failure will always be unhappy, and will always blame everything except themselves to shield their fragile egos.
BadBambino 6y ago
Excuse me, but what autism has to do with it?
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BadBambino 6y ago
They got tendies, what u got?
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jonsmif9797 6y ago
You were a typical nice guy.
TRP tells you to put yourself first, but since you have been a nice guy, you go to the extreme end: by being the asshole and insult people to show that you matter. You lack inner game because your ego drove you.
TRP tells you to show, not tell. This includes not bragging, not shit-talking, etc. It means building up an interesting lifestyle and making progress towards your mission.
The first thing TRP tells you to do is to have mission bigger than women. What's your mission? Do you just use TRP to seek sex, and then complain about how TRP ruins your (outer) game? To quote Vasily, women are lagging indicators of success.
Cold approaching is a habit. Breadth, not depth. Outcome independence. You have a lot of embarrassment because you live in their frames, and you are invested in them. That's why you overanalyze shit tests from one particular girl. If you have OI and abundance, you will think that there's always the next stranger girl to talk to.
All endorsed contributors give advice on either one of the two things: Inner game and Outer game. But it seems like you read advice selectively.
The problem is not TRP. It's you.
Redamar 6y ago
To respond to your conclusion, I agree. The title was just clickbait to get people commenting
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
Don't let me shit on you anymore than necessary, but if you've still gotta make clickbaity shit to gain people's attention.. did you really learn anything? You, and your following views/opinions, should be valuable enough to bring attention not some bullshit canned wordings. Care more about yourself rather than other people's attention and respect.
Redamar 6y ago
It was just to get people in the door, I’m aware it was a massive text wall and not everyone is going to want to slog through it at first glance. I guessed it would piss people off, but at least it got some discussion going
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
The massive text wall isn't the problem, if it's a worthwhile read people will read it. People come here seeking value, and when you present it they'll be your audience. Trust that if you have something important to say, people will listen.
The problem here is, you created this entire piece to contradict yourself, confirm that that was the intention and essentially self sacrifice your credibility in hopes that people will see what you were trying to say all along. Rather than just saying what you meant from the get go.
Now most people are going to squabble over whether or not you are or aren't a sperg rather than take the lesson you tried to teach, "Don't go overboard". It's just a disservice to yourself, in my opinion. A bad habit that you'd be better off without.
alphakari 6y ago
It's key that, especially when you aren't alone with a girl, that you maintain a degree of plausible deniability. This is something a lot of us guys struggle with for a variety of reasons.
L3onard3 6y ago
That’s because TRP is not a computer program. “If this, then that” does not apply. It’s a worldview and a call to action to not only build your own foundation, but demolish your old one first. Many think they can just apply TRP and game to start slaying (I’m guilty as charged). But I doubt anyone seeking out this sub has everything else in his life figured out and built on this solid foundation. That’s what critics of TRP do not understand. It is so much deeper than fucking bitches. Once acted upon, the TRP is a creator of men and improving the lives of women.
Redamar 6y ago
Something I misunderstood. I had what I thought was a pretty good understanding of TRP, but in actual fact it was just surface level. The word “internalise” gets thrown around a lot, and it’s easy to say “okay that was important information, gonna internalise that”, but that was wrong. It was only after I stepped back from forcing it and saw what remained that it came naturally, which is true internalisation.
You’re correct, happiness came after I stopped chasing women, and the women came after I became happy.
Zech4riah 6y ago
Good post. Stay strong when the internet alphas and some of the bitter ECs come shit on you.
Your post summarizes something I try to express in most of my comments (only to be called cuck, beta, whatever). The message is: This isn't so black and white. Many TRPholics fall into binary thinking and go from extreme to another and when they don't get results, they turn the (perceived) alphaness knot even more towards maximum toxicity. Once you get the framework down, then you can start trusting your intuition and "give out" sometimes to a girl and show of a bit of your betaness (yes, every fucking dude has this no matter how tough they express to be).
This:
My worst dates were the ones where i managed to behave according to redpill only to notice that girls got intimidated by this uncanny valley of alphaness. When I acted more naturally or tuned down that learned "extreme alphaness" and just kept talking about things I like (instead of trying to escalate verbally) while showing confidence, eye contact and all the natural things, girls loved me and you could see it so the physical escalation was easy.
This subreddit fucks up your mind and confidence. As many have said, come here, read the side bar and top posts and then come back maybe once in 6 months to check out if there is new gems around.
krowitz 6y ago
I get where you are coming from, I really do.
Is it really the redpill's fault? It is up to you to sift through the garbage. You chose to behave redpill only on your worst dates. This was you not yet internalising and not outcome independent. You acted more naturally and got better results later. That was you throwing away shit and incorporating TRP to what you already know.
You've been here long enough, TRP is just a toolbox. You are shitting on TRP now, but when you hit rough patches, I'm pretty sure you'll come back to TRP stuff to proceed.
Sure TRP fucks up your mind, but it is already fucked up to begin with. You fell trap to the normal person reading something that affirms what he already thinks is right and fully agreeing, instead of reading objectively and see that what was written is shit.
Liken it to you being a kind-hearted person because that's all you know, and you being a kind-hearted person because you chose to after being both the kind one and the bad one.
And no, I'm not gonna call you a cuck, nor beta. I'm not a fan of those things.
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
Again though, it sounds like you were overdoing it. The information wasn't wrong, it was the application. Why are we blaming TRP while also confirming it works?
If someone somewhere said "Women are attracted to confident men." Is it the fault of the red pill that people misinterpreted that to mean, "act as an egotistical douchebag?" No. It's the fault of the person overcompensating for something they didn't have.
Redamar 6y ago
I really should change the title, within my post the true lesson for me was that I wasn’t thinking for myself, and began to try unlearn all the social skills I’d developed on my own (believing them to be wrong) and tried to replace them with Red Pill strategies. The danger here is that if you jump in headfirst and start applying things incorrectly in social settings then you tend to fail quite spectacularly, and are left wondering what you did wrong.
People misinterpret shit all the time, you can’t really expect everyone to just “get it” on first reading when you’re dealing with an entire worldview change. There’s gonna be a lot of calibration needed for everyone.
FYI your thoughts and perspective on this was the exact kind of thing I wanted to prompt with this post.
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
Because I can read and understand what you're trying to say, more-so than how you're saying it. The way you put it here is essentially doing the exact thing you're against, misleading people.. atleast the ones that will take something for face value.
There's always gonna be people who take things out of context, that's a given but you're hurting yourself and those who want to gain something valuable by being disingenuous and misleading with your content.
Zech4riah 6y ago
Yup, this is kind of what I mean. I quote myself from other reply:
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
And god forbid life take some sort of effort.
If there's nothing else to take from TRP it should atleast be Think For Yourself/Your Best Intentions. Some people will struggle a lot with a lot of the information here, and even more so they'll struggle to apply it but that's their burden to bare and they'll be better for it. If they can pass that curve.
Zech4riah 6y ago
Yeah, that's the phase when they have found the actual valuable information among bullshit.
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Redamar 6y ago
Thanks Shea I appreciate it
SKRedPill 6y ago
You sound like a guy who never really mastered it, or were already a natural, but began to overthink and overworry. And you began to suffer from follower's disease, which is exactly the opposite of what is needed.
And then after this much BP behaviour later, you claimed Red pill fucked your game. Then you stopped and finally actually did some real RP for a change. Where did this place tell you to do many of the things you did? Or did you get your advice from the Washington Post?
But seriously, the title reads like a troll post. Want validation? Stop seeking cheap validation dumbass.
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
Don't wanna make this about me, but I for sure have an anecdote that heaps this point. I noticed ever since I started seeing certain faces in the community that I respected start shitting all over guys putting their arms around their girl or, egad, taking a photo of her I started to hesitate whenever I wrapped my arms mine. I would start thinking about how Beta that shit is, and what I look like doing it. I got over it quick when I really took a step back, and looked at it.
Girls need Beta shit as well as the Alpha traits. There's a balance that you have to walk, and even if you tow that line perfectly it doesn't guarantee you some magical ending. Do what it is you're comfortable with doing, but don't sperg out in any one direction.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Point me to the sidebar and tell me where does it say you need to be an asshole, insult them or brush them off.
Point me to the sidebar and tell me where does it say you need to be hostile toward women.
You're supposed to internalize the mentality by reading the theory and learning to apply it. Which you did b/c:
TRP doesn't teach you to pretend to be busy, but instead focusing on your mission so you're actually are. There's once exception to this rule called "fake it till you make it". You did both.
Which you did and yet it worked out for you after you corrected the approach (which you initially misunderstood).
Lesson learned: the point of TRP is not to non stop preach how "all women are bad, so be a dickhead too", the point of TRP is to understand how women work, how m-f interactions look like and how can you apply it so you get better at it.
Zech4riah 6y ago
The problem isn't the quality content and sidebar. The problem is this sub in general and the path some guys take because RP is much to handle for lonely insecure guy. It was even for me even tho I didn't have particular problems with women (on normie scale) and I already had my shit together. It really takes some effort to go back and forth to find a balance.
The title should be "How reading too much garbage in redpill sub ruined my game".
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EffigyDijjih 6y ago
That's one of the most disappointing things I've heard in this sub, and in two years you're gonna be writing the exact same bullshit this OP's vomiting out.
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EffigyDijjih 6y ago
Vomiting your emotions onto people will never gain you respect, there's plenty of ways a man can both be masculine and emotional. You're just too stuck in this pity party you're throwing to be able to handle it.
EffigyDijjih 6y ago
From what it sounds like you were taking things too literally, or being fed the wrong advice. Notice you didn't STOP doing redpill things, you dialed them back.
This should be a cautionary tale of "Why one should take things with a grain of salt." Whoever taught you to blatantly insult women had no game to begin with, or even worse you sperged out and misinterpreted what was being said.
Both of these topics you touch on in your closing paragraphs, but you're being disingenuous as fuck creating a title like that. Redpill didn't ruin your game, you did. Good read though, thanks for sharing.
buttgoogler 6y ago
You don't need to be a complete fucking asshole to be redpilled. Problem was how you were applying it.
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Redamar 6y ago
It doesn’t directly or in its subtext. But I misconstrued parts of its teachings, “insulting women where I could” was me overdoing it on the shittests and trying to shatter their frame, “making them qualify themselves” is a pretty common one, dunno about Redpill but I think that one is from the Mystery method? And “being a complete fucking asshole” was just me taking the old ‘treat em mean keep em keen’ approach too literally.
You’re not the first to raise this point but to clarify again, the issue lies with me and my interpretation of the Red Pill, and not necessarily with the Red Pill itself.
crushplanets 6y ago
It is an easy concept to misunderstand, and lots of people do. The whole 'women like assholes' thing is misleading, because what they really mean is they like guys with a backbone that will standup for themselves, challenge them, say what they mean, and aren't afraid to tease them and create some sexual tension. All of this is usually done in a playful maner, not literally being a disrespectful jerk to them. Anyway sounds like you get where things went astray.
Kidterrific 6y ago
Could not agree with this more. To me, it's never about what to say or how to get women into bed. It is about being your best self. It's always been motivation to work out, have self respect, and goals.
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Everything else is an effect, never a cause. Great post.
krowitz 6y ago
This is one kind of progression from TRP. It can take you from being a blue, virtuous, principled gentleman to the other end of that spectrum.
Then you don't see results. What results though? We're you trying to achieve Blue pill goals with red pill knowledge??
Then you started to throw away shit, and do what works for you. This part is where you are finding your happy middle. If you only understood correctly, that was what TRP was trying to tell you.
Where you are now is where most people relapse and cry back at asktrp. Keep it up and kudos for being at the peak of everything in your life right now. When rough times hit hard, and you really truly learned here, you would be able to handle it better than if you haven't been.
when_its_too_late 6y ago
I think we all just need to graduate the redpill sometime and go out into the real world without the textbook.
MikeyonPC 6y ago
Great story but I guess the real reason it felt like it ruined your game was because you weren't truly ready for it & it felt like you were needing to act alpha & you don't give a sh*t but I guess it's a good thing you found your comfortable headspace
Eyeball3k 6y ago
This is normal for any successful red pill journey. You devour the content and apply the skills in superficial ways. As the years wain on you find your own confidence and drift from the readings but internilize the concepts. You soon learn to appreciate the chance you had to find this community and it's ideas and values. It has changed your life in the most dramatic and powerful way. You don't go out trying to approach every girl 4+ days a week, but instead live your life with a boss attitude and naturally attract woman. You gain peace in yourself knowing you are the king of your own reality. Whatever that me be.
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