TLDR:
The advantage of looks, or muscular fitness, for men is the number one rule here and that's the only philosophy unique to TRP and pretty foolproof.
Too Long but Read:
I have been a lurker of the manosphere for more than 15 years and TRP for maybe 4. With regards to PUA, I never put the 'cold approach', 'peacocking' and all that shit to use because of my cultural/social setting and also because I was too busy working, reading occult and psychological stuff, and other activities. The principles of TRP were a big shocker compared to the PUA stuff I was used to.
The idea that women don't need to be 'seduced' but that they will literally give up everything if they find an 'alpha'; the idea that women will easily give sex without much investment from a man as long as he games well; the idea that men are the gatekeepers of commitment, women of sex, and not the other way around (believe me, movies actually make us feel that men who say 'no' to sex from girl A are actually attractive to girl B because they rejected or weren't interested in girl A); these are all harkening to the innate, primal mentality of humans (regardless of gender). Only TRP had the guts to talk about these things, and is paying the price for it through the Reddit quarantine.
However, the reason why many women and even men hate or disagree with the teachings here is not just because they feel these principles are effective, but also because there are convincing evidences of all of these principles not being healthy or even effective in sexual strategy.
Yet, the importance of lifting weights to develop musculature and strength is the only TRP idea that cannot be refuted and is pretty effective in preparing a man *to be a man***.**
Yes, there are ugly men who have gotten laid and there skinny men who have gotten laid. But they had something else going on for them—personal charisma, some fame, a skill that had a following, etc. But if a sexual strategy had to be provided for a loser with women, lifting weights is the only guaranteed way for him to feel good about himself, arouse primal desire in women, reclaim his place as a man among men, and claim default state of approval or respect in any social or professional setting. Just muscles isn't always going to get him laid, but it will give him more than what the other ideas of TRP will.
All other traits or skillsets are either:
- effective but time-consuming and go against Nature with regards to the lack of physical fitness (like a famous writer or musician getting laid just because women love them for their work, not their body—this is important because viscerally we actually have sex with a good body, not mind)
- effective but difficult and also need continuous upkeep (like developing mental confidence while still having a bad body)
- effective only in particular situations with particular kind of people while actually backfiring in other situations and with other people (like a really straightforward or brutally honest mannerism)
Yet, go to the gym, lift heavy weights, feel strong, become strong, and just like that you become attractive to women, respectable to men and live longer to fuck longer.
About me
As an average Indian male living in India, I measure 5 ft 5 in and am an ectomorph. In my mid 20s, I weighed 45 kg. Just imagine how fucking thin that was. After 4 years of 3 day split (which I do not recommend) and 2.5 years of 3 day whole-body compound workouts (I refuse to go to the gym more than 3 days a week because I got other shit to do, and I love Greyskull LP), I weigh 65 kg. No supplements, unhealthy sleep patterns, but I still love what gymming has done to me. I always was facially good looking, but I held a girl's hand for the first time when I was 25 and lost my virginity only when was 30. Now in my mid-30s I only fuck 18–22 yr olds whenever they come my way. Why and how? That's too long to explain (and I won't in the future too), but this post is my one advice to men—
If you disagree with what anyone says on TRP, even the vanguards and mods, ignore them. But when they talk about developing muscles, even a little bit of lean, athletic amount of muscles, take them seriously!

scorpionkinggg 6y ago
I know a lot of strong fit dudes that don’t get laid. I would say the number one rule is confidence, followed by gym.
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Agreed completely, from my experience as a short and non muscular guy (athletic fit but not jacked). Confidence and IDGAF combined with a charming personality is... king. Especially in 2020 where most men can barely talk to a women without losing eye contact or getting intimidated. How are those men supposed to lead people, civilizations, armies, companies, etc? They won’t. Jacked is nice, so is tall; and that will get you a ton of short term lays, but so will the other. Evolution selected for tons of valuable traits.
chadtwashington 6y ago
They talk too much and have shitty body language.
smgtn 6y ago
I'd say neither. My own anecdote to follow.
I'm 183 cm (6'), lifting for 10 years and I'm about as confident as they come (over 100 lay count).
This weekend I went out to daygame, did 40 approaches and got 0 numbers. Granted there were some bullshit feminazi protests in town and the fucking corona virus panic, but my result was still absolutely abysmal.
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SavvyVolley6 6y ago
Same. I was a trainer forever and know literal body builders that actually have the potential to slay just based on their personalities, but they’re so try-hard and insecure and douchey that girls don’t really like them. It pains me because if they would just dial it down they could kill it out there.
I don’t think I agree with this rule, being pretty jacked myself. I’ve seen the best of both sides and there really isn’t much of a difference in terms of how much female attention I get. What actually makes is difference is how much I give a fuck.
I went through a phase where I was basically just trying to be Mr. Perfect and honestly I think I pretty much nailed it — don’t get ahead of me. I had a competition body, skin kissed by the sun, perfect white teeth, perfect posture, made over six figures... literally anything you can think of. But I got no pussy. Why? I gave too many fucks and was trying too hard.
I’m basically the same dude but I don’t stress so hard about how I look, and don’t care about getting pussy in the sense that no one girl is special to me and I’ve got better things to do than play cat and mouse with some bitch for four hours.
There was a drastic increase in the amount of attention I get. And what’s really weird is I noticed it online too, without posting or changing anything; it’s almost like they can sense it through some sort of ulterior matrix. There’s girls everywhere, to the point where it’s kind of annoying. I can’t even go to my favorite bar anymore because there’s this chick that is obsessed with me after hooking up once.
Don’t give a fuck. That should be RULE #1
jamesbond0512 6y ago
If you would like to connect, send me a message with your IG. There might be a potential market or something for these guys.
That is that main rule; most of the pretty boys in the gym are insecure. Actually the majority of guys are, that makes them act like bitches when woman are around. They’ll flip on you faster than a bitch in heat.
FamishedAttorney 6y ago
This describes me to a T. I’ve built myself into a dime of a man. And part of the reason for that is bc I care so much about my image. But girls can smell it on me. I wonder how you changed your mental headspace.
SavvyVolley6 6y ago
It took time and it was a combination of a lot of things I think. It’s what you put into your head that comes out, so you have to control it. I listened to Rational male, and RP-Raquel dating podcasts like Alpha Male Strategies, and I started listening to the old episodes of Opie and Anthony with Patrice O’Neal. https://youtu.be/LPq7CyHqQ2I
Shit like that. After a while my attitude changed from giving every fuck I had to impressing females to not giving a single fuck and just enjoying being authentically me. Not to sound cliché but it kind helped me get in touch with my inner pimp.
The way I see it, men think and women feel. So whatever you’re thinking, they’re going to feel in your vibe or whatever. Likewise, they don’t really know what the hell they think so we have to get to the bottom of their bullshit using our logic and analytics. We have to cut through their feminine nonsense, because they can’t do it themselves. Anyways, if you can control your vibe you’re golden.
You can control your vibe by learning to control your own mind.
Why do you think the infantry drills and drills and drills to the point where they’re not even thinking about what to do in any situation on the battlefield? Because you don’t have time to stop and thinking, and thinking will make you anxious and trip you up and people will get killed. It’s the same concept. You can’t be sitting at the bar or whatever talking to chicks and worrying about saying the right thing or if you’re looking good or if she likes you, they’ll feel that uneasiness and insecurity. Not only that, but humans can also smell fear, we just don’t consciously know when we are. Anxiety/insecurity/disgust literally changes your body chemistry ergo your scent and our primal subconscious brains pick up on it. That’s why sometimes you find yourself around a person and for whatever reason there’s just something about them that you don’t like for seemingly no reason.
Gotta use visualization, meditation, breathing, etc to train your brain to not get all squirrelly when you’re on the prowl. Gotta be able to leave that shit at the door.
Another thing that helps me, before I go out, is I make sure everything at my place is really clean and organized, so is my car, all my shit is done, I went to the gym etc. It just gives me that extra “I’m a fucking man and don’t need you, I’m better than you” feeling.
In fact, DON’T DO WEAK THINGS, EVER. I’ll let Mr. Teddy Atlas explain: https://youtu.be/MpRglWEpGfc
You can’t fake it. You’re not going to fool anyone, at least not anyone of quality, and not for very long. Whoever you are behind closed doors is what will surface, one way or the other. Are you okay with that?
To be a champion of women and of life, you have to sacrifice all of the weak bullshit that you do when it’s just you. Because someone is always watching: you are.
Oh and I’m conclusion: https://youtu.be/J626Qcd7Glo
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Disagree. If you’re a 300+ pound barrel ass, all the confidence in the world won’t get you laid. You need both but gym #1
Agnael 6y ago
i know right? why are we debating this? seems like common sense to me. Being physically weak or unhealthy is more likely to get you killed in the wild than being unconfident.
Also, if you are physically unattractive why would a woman stick around and wait until you get to show your confidence? She can just go and search for chad from the start, why are we assuming he would be less confident than the skinny fat redpiller?
I think cOnFiDeNcE is just the baseline to not be a creep, not only to women but to everyone.
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These guys are splitting hairs. Of course there are exceptions to every rule or generality. I could look like Chris Farley (fame, money, 300+ pounds, RIP) and get women. Most people are not in this category. And even so, a woman may be with you for the money but she’ll f*ck Chad on the side (or Tyrone for you brothers).
Most of the young millennials I know eat like shit, don’t exercise, play world of Warcraft or call of duty all day and night, watch porn, and jerk off. And they wonder why they can’t get women for years on end.
PussySlayer99xxx 6y ago
Patrice o'Neal got laid quite a lot
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
Thank you. Excellent example
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
Yeah let’s just use extremes as examples face palm.
A person theta 300+ needs to worry about not dying, not taking women.
WOLFY-T 6y ago
Talking about extremes, if a guy is extremely muscular but under confident, he will get laid more than an extremely unfit confident 300lb fat guy. So all in all great musculature grabs the positive attention & gets a lil tingle going, don’t forget there’s aggressive confident women out here too that go for what they want & I’d bet extremely muscular no matter the height or seeming confidence will appeal more to them.
instasnickers 6y ago
Anyone would get more than the 300lb+ of your exemple. Therefore there is no value in saying that the opposite of it is being muscular. Extreme exemples are always a demonstration of failed thoughts process
peelen 6y ago
Bullshit. If you have confidence, or status, you can do it even with 300+ pounds. I'm pretty sure Notorious B.I.G. didn't complained for lack of pussies.
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And where is Notorious B.I.G. now?
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GuruDev1000 6y ago
And I know a lot of confident dudes who don't get laid either because they look below average. You see what you want to see.
From my post, if you read it properly:
Hviterev 6y ago
I absolutely disagree. People confident/charismatic not getting laid because they look under average? You have straight up ugly or fat motherfuckers laying hot chicks just because they're cool, whereas you can be the buffest dude in the room, if your mindset didn't change you won't lay anything.
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
Again a disagree. I have witnessed confidence get people laid more then gym. A good body gets you in the door but with no self confidence you are going to be unattractive in a few minutes. And we are not talking about extreme examples like a 10/10 model or a 300+ obese dude on a golf cart.
GuruDev1000 6y ago
The problem with talking about 'confidence' is that it's highly situational. I'd argue that when things work out well, an action is called confidence, while failures are attributed to arrogance. It's nothing to do with what the actual action is but rather the result.
So if Trump looses the elections, the same actions of his which were heralded as 'confident' will be called just 'arrogance and over-confidence'.
But the same cannot be said about fitness—there's no ambiguity.
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
I understand you, trust me. But I still think that over confidence is 10x more attractive then low confidence and a good body. The main thing you are trying to achieve is masculine energy. You can do that with a good strong body but if your vibe isn’t congruent with your body then it is still unattractive. Sure you would get laid, but a confident average looking dude will probably get laid too. The quality of the pushy is really dependent on the game you lay down .
jamesbond0512 6y ago
That is where removing the blind becomes important. When you understand the truths of our nature, you start becoming confident in becoming a man. That’s where the majority of men lack. In understanding their nature.
Many men commit stupid mistakes because they don’t understand their strength and mental power. If you understand emotions are fickle but logic is key, strategies will push them way farther in life then just the urge to have sex (following emotions).
The mass is mostly going off the internal push of sexuality. It’s like a power that’s not harnessed correctly. When men get mad plus get no pussy, they become unbearable. Same for a lazy, fat woman with no value in the market place; they become that scarecrow of a friend that loves to cockblock with intensity.
GuruDev1000 6y ago
Absolutely agreed. But try to make your voice masculine or improve your posture just through confidence instead of the natural hormonal and muscular changes that result for lifting weights … As my post says, confidence will give you what you're looking for even if you're unfit, but it will be more difficult and easier to make mistakes along that route than simply getting in shape. Once you're in shape, you will be forgiven more easily for the wrong confident approaches you make.
custoscustodis 6y ago
I agree with this. If you are physically attractive, you'll often get laid before you even have a chance to make mistakes.
zUltimateRedditor 6y ago
ABCD here.
Do you think there might be huge cultural differences at play here?
The field in India is MUCH different then the field in the West. I’m not sure how much the sexual dynamics have changed in India because there is a very slow cultural revolution going on with the woke youth, but in the US, it’s an entirely different animal.
Indian girls are extremely conservative and reserved in terms of sexuality. Quite traditional (could be wrong here). And the gym might be a bigger thing in India because most Indian males are extremely skinny and (let’s face it), can’t afford a gym membership. The average person doesn’t go to the gym in India, it’s generally people that are more athletically inclined. Which comes across as special and therefore makes you stand out more there.
US is quite different.
Personally, I think you’re both correct.
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
Haha no one said to do dumb shit. Confidence has to come from you actually believing yourself to a more value able person then them.
Gym will give you confidence but doing things of value are more long term. I’ve had a six pack and then lost it and my confidence went back at forward like my belly.
By the way I think everyone should train regardless of getting girls or not.
mickenrorty 6y ago
Confidence without success is called delusion
jojojijo333 6y ago
Being delusional will get you laid more than being a rational pessimist
mickenrorty 6y ago
Depends how muscular and attractive the pessy is
jojojijo333 6y ago
Doesn't matter. Just don't open your mouth, you'll fuck it up even with attraction on your side. Very sad that this is the level of debate that we have nowadays.
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bsutansalt 6y ago
There is no 1 silver bullet that will solve all your problems. Plenty of ugly unfit dudes are out there getting laid. Conversely there are plenty of decent looking guys who are fit, but have terrible inner-game who can't get laid if their lives depended on it.
Work with what you've got, improve what you can, minimize what you can't, and adapt & overcome. /thread
AdamantiumLaced 6y ago
The number one rule of the red pill is everything should weighed in imperial units rather than metric units.
DirtyLickins 6y ago
Imperial is for stone-aged creatures.
clon3man 6y ago
Muscles can help you get laid. But the question is, does that even matter? Maybe if your life is uncomplicated and you're out of shape. This is not the place most people are in. This is the place someone who's 19 is in.
The reality is that most people have all sorts of pressures, bad social relationships, and negative thoughts in their life that limit their potential. Working out can be a catalyst to fixing a lot of these problems because of its effects on mental health and confidence.
This is why this place has dozens/hundreds of articles and posts instead of just a guide to exercise and clothing. Because most people need to fundamentally alter who they are, not chase some random lifting goal. You tell someone who's not doing well that the only thing they need to do is exercise, you're not doing them any favors. Most people should only be doing things like walking, yoga, and other light group fitness classes, consistently multiple times per week, instead of "lifting" which is code for "improvise random high effort stuff at the gym". Most people, getting ripped is trap where you think everything is gonna change just because you get biceps. Maybe if you're 19. Or 59. The number of people who "tap out" of dating in their mid 20s because work pressures and unhealthy habits leave them in a holding pattern of helpness routine is far greater than the number of functioning adults who don't date simply because of low body image.
chadtwashington 6y ago
Skip leg day. Kegel 45 lb plate.
centaursg 6y ago
Based on my experience its not the looks but the confidence that gets you the results. This has been beaten to death in the comments below. I was that skinny fat dude before discovering this sub. You need to dig deeper as things are always multi dimensional. Going to gym builds your body, with a good body you get confidence and with confidence and mental strength you can approach your goals and handle rejections. Going to gym working out is one way of building confidence.
Success or being highly skilled at something builds another type of confidence.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
This is far from what I would designate as the One Immutable Rule Of The Red Pill.
Lifting is good for your health and good for building discipline, therefore you should do it. That's about all that needs to be said on the subject.
FitFinancier 6y ago
There is a lot of broscience that gets thrown around here when it comes to physique related pursuits. Rubbish that ranges from "you have to cut out carbs to get ripped" to "volume doesn't matter for building muscle, just throw around heavy weight"
TRP is principally concerned with intersexual dynamics, that's really it. Not hypertrophy programming, not nutritional protocols, nor personal finance, investing or other areas of life. If you want to learn deeply about fields outside of intersexual dynamics, go and look at other subs. As far as sexual strategy is concerned, it's very hard to beat the material and content here.
RagingMayo 6y ago
To be honest the number one thing that TRP taught me was to be on my grind, pursue my purpose, and love myself (which also means doing things that are good for me, i.e. fitness). This all comes first, then women.
FitFinancier 6y ago
Well said. Women should always be secondary to your mission. Guys who run here with the foremost goal involving a woman, are doing it wrong.
jamesbond0512 6y ago
I agree with your comment.
The Red Pill is kind if counterintuitive in that sense.
The main goal is to have a higher value on the SMP.
That is reached by developing your smarts and focusing on yourself But TRP is still just solely focused on woman.
One main way to achieve higher SMV is by being thorough/understanding your goals but yet, if it’s not related to pussy, the content is flimsy and weak.
TRP is pretty much a way of life, without it sounding too bro-ey.
Idk if the goal of the sub is to be a go-to sub for the betterment of a mens life (Or woman) or if it’s just a tool that’s thrown in the shed only to be used whenever felt like it . . . but for now it’s still just seems like a tool where others are just throwing opinions out there without necessarily knowing how the tools work.
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Dilpil01 6y ago
Dude your comment gave me a good laugh.
FitFinancier 6y ago
I think you’ve hit reply to the wrong comment mate...
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FitFinancier 6y ago
Delusions of your fantasy sex life aside, how does my comment suck? I pointed out that outside of intersexual dynamics (which include sexual strategy, you fucking dunce) that guys should venture into other subs.
Edit: I never disagreed with the importance of lifting weights as a guy - I just pointed out that this sub is ill-informed and are generally, not experts on the gym. But the good news is that there are other subs that specialise in that. Problem?
unheardphenomena 6y ago
I am an Indian dude, 19 working on myself everyday. Any pointers you can give regarding plates/fwb in the Indian society? My logistics are shit (always an issue)
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
Wobble your head at them profusely . Joking..
I would say you need to do start with two things.
Firstly start talking to women.
Second get two hobbies. One for the mind and one for the body.
Both these steps should bring value to your life and eventually build your self confidence.
In terms of logistics, remember the hobby for your brain? Great, after a few years you can monetise that and move out.
For now just find a parking lot bro.
GuruDev1000 6y ago
Lift weights through compound workouts.
Control yourself to not need sex so that you can go for a while without it while sorting out your shit. Do not watch porn. Lack of porn will automatically lower your urge to masturbate also.
Believe you are awesome.
I believe logistics is only possible if you have your own place or the girl calls you over. So, only the rich guys with both parents working are lucky in that dept. Or find a good family-based resort to take your girl to. So save loads of money and aim to move out later in life ASAP to the smallest possible room you can rent.
Don't waste money on girls except a simple coffee for the first two dates. After that go even cheaper on her.
If a girl initiates contact with you a lot, she likes you. She's not looking for a friend. She likes you. Just make sure to not let her know that you know she wants your dick. Very discretely let her into situations where she's alone with you and slowly amp up your physical touches with her. Putting into words the truth of your relationship or expectation with her with fuck up things. Talk non-sexual normal stuff while physically touching her.
Believe you are awesome.
Find meditative or other mental/spiritual/psychological exercises. They tend to open up situations for you in the physical world which cannot be explained logically here. wink
mechcoder598 6y ago
Bhai, as an Indian guy I would love to see a post on your red pill journey. Or just some notes lol. I am 26 and currently in the US.
GuruDev1000 6y ago
Just go through my recent comments.
jamesbond0512 6y ago
Just like always, the gems are always in the comments.
ProfuseGloom 6y ago
Totally agree! Lifting has given me a nice jawline and a good V-taper. It was indeed an ego boost and feels good to get checked out quite often in public. I've always had a good face before lifting and once my bodyfat levels reduced, I'm in the place to get almost any chick after the way I get eyefucked.
I can totally relate to this which is why my problem comes down to opportunity rather than self. I have no problem going and approaching, or even holding a conversation but often I wonder when and where can I pull it off. Our society has different rules for this and I would like to find a way around it.
catsdontsmile 6y ago
Lifting gave you a jawline? What are you lifting with your teeth?
medicineandsports 6y ago
watching your diet will change your jawline
ProfuseGloom 6y ago
Lifting causes fat loss, so my hidden jawline started to pop out. But I did chew gum alot. If you want to know one workout, rest your chin on a surface, hold some weight over your head and open-close your mouth.
mickenrorty 6y ago
5’5 at 45kg... jeezus you’d be lucky to get laid by your own hand
ThinSpiritual 6y ago
The one immutable principle of TRP is not lifting for aesthetics.
Lifting is important because testosterone rules the world. Aesthetics will come as a byproduct.
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scorpionkinggg 6y ago
I learnt this the hard way after a heap of biomechanics issues. Now I laugh when I see boof heads.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
I don't agree 100%. Yes lifting will help no matter what, but aesthetics don't just happen unless you focus on it. The classic bodybuilder look requires certain exercises and watching your proportions. If you're just moving weight and chasing big numbers you'll end up looking like the typical chubby powerlifter.
FT45 6y ago
That is garbage. Diet is what controls if you’re chubby or not. There’s loads of jacked and ripped powerlifters.
10211799107 6y ago
Guys who bitch about the compounds and any decent numbers on them are the same pussies rationilising bodyweight bullshit because they don't have the mental strength to forge through a heavy set.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
Sure, but lots of guys fall into the mindset of “eat more” when they’re not happy with their numbers and end up chubby. It’s a common trap.
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inbredostrptw 6y ago
I don’t think it makes you a pussy. I believe most people go through a phase where they do stuff for pussy. You just gotta grow out of that shit
Ich_bin_du88 6y ago
Agree, I went to lift for pussy, I keep going for the habit now
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TrenCobra 6y ago
Frame is king. In business, in relationships, in anything.
Musculature is one element of building and holding frame.
diastere 6y ago
In your 30’s and slinging dick only to 18-22 yo in India? This is possible, but we’re gonna need some more details here for the sake of credibility, given the hoards of 20-something Indian guys in India who can’t pull and settle for arranged marriage.
GuruDev1000 6y ago
Nowhere is there a shortage of sexually developed women looking for sexy man. I look at least 5 years younger than my age. So all types of girls and even older women find me cute—its a different story if they actually would bang me or not.
I am involved with one or two social events (won't tell you what kind) that get me to interact with people of all ages. I talk normal without any agenda. In any room, within a few minutes, I know who is staring at me longer than required. Then it's a matter of deciding if I like them enough and then giving my charming smile and having a normal chat with them. If they contact me again on their own, it's game on.
But my memorable ones are 'by chance'. A girl who shared a 'sharing rickshaw' (like a car pool) with me to train station because she missed the previous one because another woman pushed past her. She was new in the city and felt it a culture shock. I genuinely wanted to go in the same direction and offered to share the next rick. I found her cute but didn't know if I would hit on her. I just pointed out that it was funny that the woman pushed past her, and then the talk began. I had already discovered TRP back then. I shamelessly asked her number before we parted, but she felt it weird to give it to a stranger. I said we won't be strangers anymore once I have her number. She laughed. She was 20, a law student. I was around 30.
To your other question: There is a decent minority of Indian guys getting laid enough casually because they have a more chilled upbringing and social circle. They don't need to visit TRP, so you won't end up knowing about them. Those that can't get laid don't have the resolution required to stick to a life plan. On the other hand, my parents have given up telling me to get married. wink
Jinzagon 6y ago
How much body fat do you recommend to slay ? Also do you need to be really jacked like a steroid head or just lean ?
GuruDev1000 6y ago
I'm going to give you a general idea: body fat around 15% should be enough.
Some girls get scared of extreme amount of steroided muscles, while other girls want to get a 'taste of that beast'. The second category of girls you don't want around too long anyways. LOL.
Keep pushing your body during every workout, let your genes handle the rest. Other times you need to be working on your mind.
Jinzagon 6y ago
I'm around 22-25% 180lb, been very enjoying this weight but it makes me look kinda bloated. Don't want to sacrifice too much body fat for performance and weight. Don't want to be light weight ever again. Maybe If I cut to 169lb it will be all good.
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
I disagree about 15%.
When I’m around 10% in summer time I can see the difference in the amount of eye fucks I get.
No need to be overly muscular if your looking to attract girls with your body. Just need to look lean and athletic. 15% is overweight for someone that’s training regularly imo.
Luisd858 6y ago
Looks obviously help out a lot but it’s not everything
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GuruDev1000 6y ago
You don't deserve anything, you have to work for it. How to work for it?
Believe that you are awesome and have the girls you want. Believe. The natural actions will follow.
The point of my post is that building muscles should be like having a bath. All the confidence in the world isn't enough if you're going to talk to girls without grooming, so groom and build muscles. But after that you need to simply chill, and believe you are cool. The minutes pointers of how to talk to women can be learnt from other posts here. But my only advice is to believe you are already awesome and know what to talk to. That's what works for me, believe it or not.
If you still have nothing to talk to a woman, believe that that's what an awesome guy would do, talk nothing while the women fawn over him. It will slowly change to the required direction as long as you believe you are already awesome and sexy.
And don't worry about other guys who are getting laid. You don't know their intricate situations and horrors. If they don't have a conscious hold of their shit, pussy will eventually dry up for them too.
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wanker7171 6y ago
I completely disagree with you on that, simply because my own life experience has proven the opposite.
When I was in high school, all the way until college I had decent muscle mass and I was tone. I played varsity soccer, ran for the varsity cross-country team, and played tennis after school. I was real eye-candy but that's all I was. On the inside I was one of the most beta guys in existence, always taking everything literally and never understanding the difference between a playful guy and an asshole.
Hell a new girl in my grade took a massive amount of initial interest in me, but after a year or two of school I'd overhear her saying to friends "You guys would never believe who I was into when I came to this school." (my friend who was dating her confirmed it was me). After I made a comment to another girl she straight up said "OP you're great to look at but just not when you open your mouth." Those are only the worst instances I remember. My social skills were horrible.
Now I did get a girlfriend at 17 who I stayed with for 2 years, but when she had enough she dumped me. This threw me into a depression and I became obese (250 lbs) within a few years. Then I discovered TRP among other places and everything started to make sense. After a few years to internalize and practice I started sleeping with 6s and 7s, while I was still technically obese. I was a bit of a retard and just slept with cute coworkers, and it got to the point my friends would joke "Is there any girl at your work you haven't slept with?" Which is a frame I never ever expected to hear myself in.
Then last year I finally hit my target weight goal of 180, which is where I was in high school. The only difference I've noticed, as I've been RPed since I was obese, is that girls are more willing to offer me their time. They assume I'm high status because of my appearance, but if I had the insecurities of high school me they'd swiftly reject me. Looks definitely matter and make things easier, and may even get you an easy lay, but looks really don't matter as much as the rest of game.
TL;DR: Confidence > Looks
throwlaca 6y ago
>Yes, there are ugly men who have gotten laid and there skinny men who have gotten laid. But they had something else going on for them—personal charisma, some fame, a skill that had a following, etc.
Or just fucked ugly women.
>Just muscles isn't always going to get him laid, but it will give him more than what the other ideas of TRP will.
I agree with this. Girls don't go only for muscles, they go for SMV, that's why some fat men with money fuck like kings. But the truth is that Muscles and body fitness account for over 70% of SMV, and the rest being status and money. If you don't have status or money, muscles alone will do perfectly.
Deluxillo23 6y ago
Honestly is all about face, height and low % fat. Muscles are a plus
scorpionkinggg 6y ago
Just give up on life then bro. Or go full Kardashian on your face.
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OracleofFl 6y ago
...and since you can't do much about face and height, that leaves fitness as something you can do something about today.
gloryhole87 6y ago
Learn how to trim beard and lower body fat is all I guess. Both did wonders for my jawline
medicineandsports 6y ago
put on some muscle and start wearing tighter fitting clothing and see how women start to act around you
Deluxillo23 6y ago
Have a model face, be 1,90 m. and look how women throw at your feet
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
Just another weakling rationalizing why to not lift weights
Deluxillo23 6y ago
Im really muscled, bigmouth
medicineandsports 6y ago
Ok but not everyone can have a model face and be 6’3 you dunce
redhawkes 2 6y ago
Always check post history before replaying to this larpers.
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Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
That's bullshit dude. I put on muscle, uploaded new pics to dating apps, and now I'm getting girls messaging first with "nice arms" or "hi handsome". This never happened when my body was average. My body fat % didn't change, I just added muscle. Don't knock it until you try it.
Deluxillo23 6y ago
I said its a plus, so obviously you are getting better results. I still consider having a handsome face and being tall the best combo. You can be muscular, but if you are ugly and short no one cares about your fucking chest and arms. Better than nothing tho
Redpill ppl are so naive about looksmaxing
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
Everything is a "plus" dude, because no one has it all. You improve what's possible to improve. I wouldn't call TRP naive on looks when the first advice is literally "lift" to improve your appearance.
Deluxillo23 6y ago
check the comments on the instagram clothes models. Then check it on the “fitness” models. You will see what im talking about
First advice is lift, because is one of the few things besides surgery you can change on your looks. Plus, lifting is a great thing to do mentally as a man.
Retards who are downvoting me dont know Im lifting since 16 and im 28 now. Im really muscled and when I go to the clubs with friends who are taller than me, like +1,85 (im 1,73m) and handsome faces I see girls breaking her fucking necks for them.
Casanova-Quinn 6y ago
As long as your approaching girls and getting laid, who cares if your friends are better looking.
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Jacked5parrow 6y ago
Just focus on yourself to be a better you. That’s literally all it is.
johncillo 6y ago
This smells like incel a little bit. Not always looks matter, you have to be top of the hierarchy so women that are interested in the hierarchy you’re in, they select you. So yeah a great body helps but it should not be the aim of your life. You have to enrich it with other things, being integral and use your capacities also to help your community. That is what redpill is. You being the core of improvement. With that being said, we’re also social animals and as other animals we also have social cues that we have to develop, that is where Game comes in. So your principle is immutable, however it doesn’t hold by itself if you don’t fill your life with other things.
jojojijo333 6y ago
This is stupid. Size, height, athleticism and dominance are important for women because women want protection and good genes. What is strange about that? You talk like someone who had too much bad experiences with women because of his height and is now all about muscle muscle muscle. Being a jacked pussy will get you laid but not as mush as a confident social seductive successful jacked man.
Hahahahahaha. Dude please. Do you know of Alan Roger Currie?
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GuruDev1000 6y ago
Laughs
There will always be someone bigger than you. Always. If muscles is all that define you, then your wife will leave you for the bigger guy.
My point is to reach a level of fitness that's decently natural. How much further you want to push after that is your choice depending on your goals. You're aren't going to rule the world only by packing on insane muscles and not doing anything else.
I'm not going to say if what you say about me is true or false, coz it's the internet. All I'll say is that considering the other goals in my life that I have to give time to, the pussy I need to keep my dick hard and wet is satisfactory. I don't go chasing random chicks just to make sure I'm only sleeping with 10s to score points with LondonChad1234. If I find an interesting average-faced 6 with a tight body v/s a dumbo 10, I will go for the 6. Even dating an amazingly intelligent 10 doesn't define me. I don't need their great intelligence, I just need some submissive, soft pleasure and then I go my way.