An idea I've come across postulated by Israeli biologist Amotz Zahavi, is that a handicap principal can be used to produce an "honest" or reliable signal between animals which have an obvious motivation to deceive each other, from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap\_principle

What does this have to do with your Gold? (as a man, your Gold or your power is how you chose to spend your Time and Attention). It should be focused on yourself, first and foremost. But if a woman interests or arouses you, you may choose to grant her some of your Time and your Attention, let her into your world, etc.

The "Mode One" book I've been reading, by Alan Roger Currie, has been interesting. A point he makes is that women think of men who give away their Time and Attention like men think of women who give away their bodies; aka: a simp is to a woman what a slut is to a man, one to be held in contempt, of no value and no self respect.

So, back to Zahavian signaling. In order for a gesture or gift to be honest and valuable, in short, it must be "costly".

see 6:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnrOCKdU\_oA << don't get destracted by the BB/BP parts, it's the signaling that's interesting, not his assumed goal of marriage for men.

So, how valuable is your time?

In a self-reinforcing sense, if you *give away y***our Time and Attention easily, you **devalue it. And giving her more and more of it, as your relationship "get serious" means shit to her. (yet as we all know, the Matrix and BP conditioning tell guys to do just this: be more available, talk about the relationship more, spend more time, buy more gifts, etc; the exact opposite of what you should be doing).

Yet if you guard your Time and your Attention, and treasure it, its value is increased. So if/when you DO grant her some of your Time and Attention, it's value can be appreciated. And by extension, you as well.

TL-DR: the value of your Time and Attention is inversely proportional to how freely you give it up, and it's utility as a signal of value/fitness follows.

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Flying_Wingback 6y ago

I'm a big believer of Mode One and Alan Roger Currie. Here is a link I found in the Entrepreneur sub a while back regarding Costly Signalling Theory which is very similar to what you are talking about: https://marketingexamples.com/signalling/costly-signalling-theory

maverick9759 6y ago

I have studied this in detail. You totally missed the point. The ornaments he talks about in peacocks, the eyes in their feathers are SUPPOSED TO HIT SENSORS IN FEMALES. In peacocks it's visual, in Nightingale for example it's vocal, not sure if I remember but in deers it's a smell. Now the idea is that if you can be spotted by a female due to your bright colors, your singing or your smell, you can also be spotted by predators. It's a DHV in TRP language because it shows risk taking behavior, the brightest bird is the most attractive because it can be spotted most easily therefore if it's alive it must mean that the bird is strong and clever. This the idea of 'handicap' because the bird survived despite bright colors.

The takeaway is that the more attention you can grasp from the crowd due to your risk taking behavior the more attractive you will be to female. The risk in today's world at maximum can be an insult. That's the whole idea of 'Peacocking'.. You wear something ridiculous or at least not normal to turn heads. This is what happens when you are muscular. You turn heads. It's a DHV by default. Now the question is why not wear spandex if turning head is the game? The answer is, that even though spandex will turn heads, it will be followed by lots of ridicule which will be difficult to defend and will result in an equivalent of a bright bird getting manhandled ripped and possibly killed by hawk. Now if you're muscular not only will it buy attention but people won't dare to ridicule you, you become the winner bird now. Also if you read zahavi properly you should know leks. A lek is basically a gathering of peacocks and the most attractive one gets the middle position and is surrounded by other peacocks out of respect and gets to fuck the most amount of peahens. One peacock in the centre of lek fucks 30% of the peahens. So a lek is basically a sexual market place.

Age old TRP saying by Rollo Tomassi. "Women want a Man who other men want to be, and other women want to fuck. "

So basically stop reading zahavi and GO LIFT.

Some other quick additions other than muscles which act like 'ornaments' in my opinion are leather and metal. They work. I don't know why but they do. At least in my experience.

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i-am-the-prize 6y ago

10-4, thanks for laying that out. makes good sense.

I was looking for a 'cost-free' way to increase the value of an asset (Time/Attention) and found the parallel in my mind (how when you are authentically busy, it gets more valuable when you do share it sparingly)- but your plumage/scent/sounds are obviously better/more accurate examples of the handicap.

Ah, and agree on muscularity and physical strength being our human markers. Can confirm, I've lost a lot of BF and gained > 25# of muscle in 2 years, and the reaction is night and day.

Cheers.

latinasonly 6y ago

you have a good solid post on not giving away your time and attention too much but your first topic on how animals use mating signals that display vigor or whatever doesn't really tie in.

lefty929 6y ago

As other posters have said, handicap principal doesn't apply to your time/attention.

However this is still a great quote:

The "Mode One" book I've been reading, by Alan Roger Currie, has been interesting. A point he makes is that women think of men who give away their Time and Attention like men think of women who give away their bodies; aka: a simp is to a woman what a slut is to a man, one to be held in contempt, of no value and no self respect.

That's not a comparison you hear often and it's definitely an illuminating one.

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ArnoldT1000 6y ago

What others think of your time isn’t what gives it value

i-am-the-prize 6y ago

"to them" of course it is, they define what's valuable "to them"

again, It [your Time and Attention] should be focused on yourself, first and foremost. This is why it is your Gold. Every minute you give a woman free rent in your head is a minute you're off mission. It is valuable to you because it is finite and "costs you" when you spend it.

ArnoldT1000 6y ago

Right, but you shouldn’t be thinking about “them” if you truly value your time.

i-am-the-prize 6y ago

Absolutely agree. But at times, if you do want to hone your Game, you do take inventory and think about how to best optimize your skills and assets, and this reflection isn't done for ego protection in a vacuum, it's evaluated viz the SMP's other participants, your Game targets.

I've learned OI and NGAF. Doesn't mean I won't use the blading-my-shoulders technique when opening up a cutie, or the time-pressure-tactic ("i've got to roll soon, but...") when doing the same.

So this was an attempt to reinforce how when you make your most finite and valuable (to yourself) asset scarce, it also increases it's value in the SMP when it is Granted to objects of your affection.