Hey guys,
I don’t know if this shit is in compliance with TRP advice or whatever, but it worked for me.
About 15 years ago, I was my wife’s trainer at the gym. She was with another guy but we started fucking pretty quick. After just fucking for a few months, we started to hang a lot. She broke up with him, and she was awesome. Everything I wanted sexually, intellectually, and domestically. She didn’t live with me but she would come over every morning to fuck, shower, and pack my lunch. She cleaned my apartment before she lived there. She was awesome and obviously loved me beyond what was normal. I loved her.
But I was never exclusive. Never. She cleaned my apartment and found condoms and came over once and I had a girl who had fallen asleep there. She knew. The whole time. She didn’t care really though. She would sometimes even ask me to talk about someone I fucked while she and I fucked. It turned her on that I was a man fucking other women.
Society and some stupid bitches eventually got to her and we almost broke up. She said she wanted to get more serious but said that meant exclusivity. I just said “no.” I loved her. I wanted her to be mine. But I will not lie- I need to fuck other women. That won’t change.
She almost left. She got mad. I said fine. Go if you want. But she stayed. She realized she didn’t really want me to be sexually hers. She wanted to belong to me sexually. That was her feminine need. She wanted my emotional monogamy. I wanted her sexual monogamy.
That’s what we have. I love to show her off (best fucking ass you have ever seen) but she is mine and won’t fuck -or even look at- another man. I will fuck who I want with no meaning attached at all.
My heart is hers. Her body is mine.
We have been married 15 year now. Totally happy. Still awesome life. She still cooks and cleans for me. We still fuck twice most days. I still fuck around once a week or two. She is my world.
Be honest about who you are. There are other good women out there.
BurntYams 5y ago
Once a cheater always a cheater, come on.
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But I have everything I want. So how do I lose?
rykotxet 5y ago
For me, the perfect marriage is the one that won't happen. Marriage is a complete nonsense for men nowadays. It isn't worth: you lose your freedom, your wealth and your sanity, and get nothing valuable in return.
Babababababab57 5y ago
You sound like an autistic incel trying to play cool here. Human relationships are not as easy as yours- that's what life has taught me, so far.
Ill_mumble_that 5y ago
I've got a similar situation to OP but I'm having a hell of a time getting my wife to do some of the kinky dirty shit I like. We've had 3sums and I've banged friends of hers (some who are married) but for whatever reason shes a prude about some of my kinks. Some of the sexual things I like are considered extreme, but NOT holewrecking or anything that would hurt (except anal, probably hurts a little)
She doesnt care if I do them with other women tho, she just wants to know who.
It's not unbelievable. But OP likely has a lot more problems that he hasnt bothered to post. Nothing is free, if you want to bang other women you will have to pay for it somehow, I know I do.
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Hydroponically 5y ago
His comment history proves the same.
Pretends he’s always slanging dick.
In reality he just creeps on random Reddit booty posts all day.
No one wants to be a side chick - that shit only works for a little while. Not “15 years”.
Also, his “wife’s” photos he shares all look like random pixelated google pics.
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Hydroponically 5y ago
Maybe I should rephrase that.
Higher value women don’t enjoy it for long.
Ofc a low SMV one would take what she can get - but I don’t bother with those.
To each their own.
Nice assumption though, buddy.
Whisper 5y ago
You're objectively wrong. Women do enjoy being side chicks for the right man. And plenty of men who have enough experience being the right man can tell you so.
What they don't enjoy is the level of social shaming they receive from other women for doing so.
All women are submissive and look around them for cues on what to do, on what is normal, sane, and acceptable, and what is not. This means that modern women are going to fall into two categories... women who are submissive to a man, and women who are submissive to other women.
Women who are submissive to other women look to the collective behaviour and speech of other women to give them their beliefs and values. Thing is, all the other women they are looking to are doing this as well, which means they form a massive hive that is not so much composed of reasoning beings, as it is a substrate for self-perpetuating ideas. One of these ideas is "high-value women don't share men", which is mindlessly repeated without ever stopping to ask exactly what "high-value" means in this context.
Women who are submissive to a man get their values from him, and will happily share him if the arrangement continues to feel good. They don't give a toss what other women say, because they are not submissive to other women.
If your women or woman enforces society's general expectations for relationships on you, instead of following your lead, then she is submissive to other women, not you.
redmanticore- 5y ago
like cuckolds always do? no matter if they are women or men.
i think its called cuckquean when its her if i remember right..
Hydroponically 5y ago
I agree with this.
When my wife was just a plate - she knew I wasn’t trying to be tied down and having too much fun.
She was aware of the other women and even knew a few of their names.
She’d even help me work out problems I’d have with them. Claiming her main goal was just to see me happy.
She was content to just be in my life in any type of way.
Of course her best friend despised me for this. She’d always (and still does) act as a plumber and bring up old shit and try to place a wedge in between our relationship all throughout. But, to no avail.
I just personally don’t even want to risk losing such a good woman over juggling other ones or sharing. I’m sure it can work for some - but I’m just unsure of the length or quality of such relationship. I don’t want any jealousy or animosity in mine.
Well said though.
Whisper 5y ago
That's cool, I'm not going to tell you how to run your life.
But do be aware of what's possible. I live with my two girlfriends. And while the pandemic has put a temporary stop to me sampling life's infinite variety outside of that, they don't fuss under normal circumstances when I do.
Male jealousy is hardwired in, but female jealousy is cultural, and can be trained out.
flapjacksrbetter 5y ago
Isnt it advised to not live with your girlfriends?
Whisper 5y ago
Some people say that. But TRP isn't and hasn't ever been a cathedral of the One True Way. We don't all agree on everything, even when you limit "we" to the ECs.
Here's my take on cohabitation:
If you are a beginner, don't cohabit, and avoid LTRs unless a really amazing "keeper" comes along. If you have some game, you can cohabit if you don't slack off. But never marry no matter who you are or how tight your game is.
Why all of that?
Well, when you are cohabiting with a girl, you're there with her every damn day. So you can't be needing effort to get your "game face" on; you have to have absorbed this stuff to the point where you are a natural, and can crush shit tests and whatnot without breaking stride, without becoming fatigued.
You can fake it until you make it when you are seeing a girl every so often, but if she's there all the time, you can't be faking it anymore. It has to actually be you.
FunSize and FanGirl know about this account, and they pretty much read every word I write. If I were having to put on an act to be "Whisper", instead of just Scott Lindstrom pretending to be Whisper, then I'd be fucked in the long run. But because I am pretty much exactly how I describe myself here, it works out the opposite way. They know it's not an act.
So why do it, if it's harder? Well, like anything in life, it's a cost-benefit question. Cohabitation has benefits that some guys like. I don't LTR girls for sex, because the bottom has fallen out of the sex market and it's easy as hell to get. I get into LTRs because I like female companionship. I promote girls who are fun to be with, even when we have our clothes on.
You can date a girl and enjoy time with her if you don't live together, but if you want a mate (or more than one), somebody's gotta move in.
So why don't I ever advise getting married?
It's not that I, or others like me (/u/HumanSockPuppet also lives with his two girlfriends), couldn't handle a marriage and keep the upper hand just fine... hell, a lot of the guys reading this probably could. But it's an additional risk with no additional benefit, and it surrenders power, which makes you less attractive. That's just not smart.
"Oh, but Whiiiisper, quaaaality women won't cohabit forever without a ring!"
Bullshit. Oh, sure, the women of RPW will often say that, but it's just woofing. The female version of macho. If one of them really falls for a man, they'll take whatever terms he gives them... and they'll be just fine, because men have an deep and abiding protective instinct towards women, especially the ones who treat us right.
Anyway, the dangerous part is that you need a really clear head to decide when you're ready to cohabit. It's easy for young and thirsty dudes to decide their ex-stripper "sugar baby" is a fucking born-again unicorn, and is totally ready to kick the coke habit and bear their children.
That's why most ECs say "don't cohabit"... they're not spergs, they just don't have much confidence in your spine, and they know that anyone who's ready to cohabit is also ready to pick and choose the advice that works for them, rather than slavishly obeying. I understand their motives, even applaud them, but that's just not my style.
flapjacksrbetter 5y ago
What about having the marriage ceremony and giving your girl a ring but not sign the official papers?
So I guess you're known as the guy who has two girlfriends to your friends and family?
How did you even get two women to share you and be fine with living together? That's some good leadership. All 3 of you go out on dates?
The1ndex 5y ago
Crafting the perfect marriage includes changing the law.
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RStonePT 5y ago
The tricky part is to separate what helped, and what was tangential to your success.
Aloof and abundance went a long way man, you'd be surprised what else can be at your disposal. congrats
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Yeah I get that. I don’t know. I just feel like there is too much emphasis on dishonesty. Women aren’t enemies to be tricked. Be honest about your needs and wants. Actually honest.
I’m sure most women would leave. But some won’t.
RStonePT 5y ago
Some are, many aren't. You're arguing about relationship strategies with a vocal minority of guys who couldn't even tell you what pussy smells like.
They don't want to hear about success. Every success reflects their lack of it to them and it's not fun to have your nose rubbed in your own self sabotage. The whole idea that tyronne WILL (not could, WILL) rail your wife is the revenge fantasy they need to justify their lack of movement towards a healthy sexlife and self actualized set of goals.
TLDR; don't feed the trolls.
And for what it's worth, male and female sexual strategy are adversarial by nature. They are the enemy, but that doesn't mean you can find one invested enough in you for an armistice.
Yourlocal_priest 5y ago
Your peaking on the red pill in my books. Good for you and thanks for sharing.
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Thanks man. It all depends what you want. My point is just be honest it gets you farther than lying
Yourlocal_priest 5y ago
My issue isn't the truth part , shit most of the time I feel like im way too truthful. My issue is no many girls show me buying signals to approach them in public.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
"Society and some stupid bitches eventually got to her...."
Who was she going to believe? Them and their words, or her lying feels and vagina tingles?
Lurkingnopost 5y ago
Congratulations. Well played, sir.
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Anyone with pretty much of background and theory knows what the above sentences all mean. Be aware of this post. I don't trust this.
throne_deserter 5y ago
Good for you man!
I personally can't figure out if it all came from you holding your ground or was it something peculiar to her tastes.
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I think it is both. But some of her friends are similar. She has a friend whose husband cheated. She told her friend, why do you care? Eventually her friend didn’t. Now they are happy too. Basically same relationship.
Fair doesn’t mean the same. Men need to fuck new pussy. Women need stability and masculine leadership. They need to be cared for.
TheProfitMotive 5y ago
Yes, this is the situation I have with my gf. Although, I assume you realize the sexual monogamy wont last forever.
At some point her hamster will rationalize that if u r having casual sex, she should be able to dip her toe in the water a bit too
ropetigerdaddy 5y ago
YUP!
I avoided this because my girl is bi. So I can say fuck all the girls you want, as many as me! LOL
But I worry about that day. Maybe worry is the wrong word. If she finds someone who fucks her better (didn't the 10 years before she met me) then good for them. LOL
throne_deserter 5y ago
The last bit is what needs to be figured out. She should be able to dip her toes - but would she and whether she feels the need to or not is what I am interested in knowing.
TheProfitMotive 5y ago
I think you should 110% expect monogamy from your woman, but tbh I think if she is a western woman you have to acknowledge that at some point she WILL want to fuck someone else.
The notion that you go through the rest of your life and only fuck 1 person is quite unrealistic regardless of whether you are man or woman. We're not biologically programmed to be 100% monogamous for life
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I suppose that could happen. But I have no reason to believe it will. Seriously, man. I am her sexual world. I understand others could be worried about it from the outside but in 15 years I have never been told no (I don’t try to fuck her if she is sick or whatever-I do love her) but other than that, she fucks. She washes my back and then sucks me off in the shower every morning. She cums hard at least 5 days a week usually every day.
She doesn’t work. Usually doesn’t leave the house. She comes to my work to bring me lunch and sometimes fuck if I want.
Trust me. 15 years in.
Usain_Joseph 5y ago
I just don’t believe your story man, your women maybe low in SMV for some reasons or she is unnatural, other than that i would like to hear some good arguments from you ...
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I fuck her 3 times a day while she raises my kids, gives me back rubs and foot rubs, cooks my dinner, brings me lunch.
How the fuck is this a loss?
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You will die lonely and sad.
Foend 5y ago
"I fuck her. We fuck. I her sexual god to fuck. She only fuck me. I fuck."
Reads like autistic fiction. A staple of this Sub-Reddit. Thank you for your contribution.
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EkMard 5y ago
Disagree. Entirely plausible. The sidebar allows for strong hindbrain sexual attraction supported further by the rational brain.
M0rtAuxRois 5y ago
lol k
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.1389
WeRAllOnThisBlessedD 5y ago
LOL yeah her body is yours. And it also belongs to Tyrone with the 12” monster between his legs.
If she was fucking you while she was with another dude, she’s probably fucking some other dude while she’s with you. Stop lying to yourself.
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I get it. But trust me. Zero worries here. Lol
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scorpionkinggg 5y ago
Damn, whenever I read these stupid fucking posts bragging about their partners being unicorns the first thing I think is “yep she’s getting secondary dick”.
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scorpionkinggg 5y ago
These situations exist all the time. I’m focusing specifically on the mindset that she’s some sort of good girl that will be with him forever, have you learnt nothing? That’s what gets you in trouble in the first place.
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scorpionkinggg 5y ago
The reinforcement should be that she is not mine and it’s just my turn, full stop
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scorpionkinggg 5y ago
Someone’s angry ... it’s ok boy you will learn when.
VigilantRedRooster 5y ago
This is a successful example of "women may share an Alpha rather than have a Beta all to themselves" theory. As for putting a ring on it (and a noose on yourself), the marriage results may vary and the downside potential is a huge risk for most men.
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Look in not saying I’d do it now... but 15 years ago was different. I wanted kids to have married parents. I don’t regret it
Ill_mumble_that 5y ago
I'm all for private marriage. You draw up a contract and store it with your attorney and seal it. Have the ceremony with family if you want. The marriage is then never registered with the state.
As far as taxes go whoever makes money claims the other as a dependent and you have power of attorney paperwork filled out and assets held by a trust with a proper will set up.
The results are the same benefits as marriage without the government being the third party in your contract.
party_dragon 5y ago
IANAL but this heavily depends on the country / legal framework. I'm guessing you're talking about the US, AFAIK most European countries you don't get tax benefits by marrying (except if spouses earn massively different amounts).
Ill_mumble_that 5y ago
In the US you can file taxes jointly which combines both you and your spouse's standard deduction (like $6000) but it's not really a big tax break.
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love-you-long-time 5y ago
she won't even look at another man lol bro bro you sure you don't have a blow up doll?
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She doesn’t really. I’m seriously i mean sure she thinks actors are cute or whatever but it’s true.
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[deleted] 5y ago
I was a trainer 15 years ago. I own the gym now.
Those guys are better looking than me. But a cute face doesn’t equal open legs.
ropetigerdaddy 5y ago
Same situation almost to a "T" but I avoided the marriage part so far. But be careful:
"She didn’t care really though."
I've learned there are intricacies to this. They absolutely do care. My girl can help me and watch me fuck another girl and get off to watching.
"My heart is hers." That right there. I can fuck 20 girls but if my girl gets insecure or jealous I can either be "get out" (and have!) or I can reassure her that she's my girl and the rest are toys.
Not sure how you can fuck twice a day and still fuck around once a week. My dick stays sore and I do half that. LOL
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He wasn’t giving her what he should have I guess. She had been good to me for these years .
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
This was my idea exactly. Like always, there is different levels to a womens loyalty. There is women who are always loyal, some who are only loyal for the right guy and some who are never loyal.
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True. You are right to always be skeptical. My point is this: be honest about your needs. It works for me. I have seen it for several others too.
PillUpAss 5y ago
Great post and you’ve given me a lot to think about.
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Exactly. She added that line after she read the rest.
She said she loves me precisely because I am the kind of man who wants to fuck—and who can fuck—lots of women. She feels special because she belongs to me.
PillUpAss 5y ago
It came from her! That’s perfect.
cherrykitty87 5y ago
She wanted my emotional monogamy. I wanted her sexual monogamy.
This has had me thinking. Good idea there.
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Though what would happen if one of these other ladies you sleep with becomes pregnant and it was yours?
SavageSteerWC 5y ago
Be a man and be monogamous
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Dimenzije90 5y ago
Can i ask why did you get married with her? You could have all of this without the big daddy government.
I dont want to sound pesimistic but nothing is perfect and nothing lastst forever so before you guys go around and start marrying your unicorns remember your lifes experience not something someone said on the internet whether its true or not.
Another thing. If she cheated that dude with you you can be sure that she cheated you as well if not then as soon as you brake your frame she will. Really not a smart move by marrying this girl.
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This is where I’m not red pill or whatever. I love this girl. I want to be with her. I want my kids to have a stable home.
15 years no regrets.
Dimenzije90 5y ago
Like i said you can love her and not have goverment hovering above you. I sinverely wish you all the best but it wouldn't hurt to be always on the guard.
manfrombelow 5y ago
So, by seeing OP being able to fuck other bitches, she sees him as a high-value male and make him - not her - the PRIZE of the relationship. Interesting!
manfrombelow 5y ago
Wow even though I am redpilled already but this still open my eyes a lot more the true dynamics between an alpha and his woman. Amazing.
So in the end, women give no fucks if you fuck others or not, as long as you give her reasons to look up to you as her alpha.
Fucking interesting!
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I'm confused. Why would you marry her?
SeasonedRP 2 5y ago
I don't know anything about the poster's situation. Who knows, maybe it is true. But it gives younger men on here unrealistic expectations. Hardly any quality women will go for an arrangement where you can fuck other girls but she can't fuck other men. I've never met one. Indeed, how many rock stars or celebrities have relationships like this? That should tell you something. The only exceptions I've found are cuckqueans, who are very rare, and bi women who also want to be with other girls.
Women are very jealous by nature and being alpha won't change that.
EkMard 5y ago
I disageee. They will hesitate though if you yourself believe that they never do that.
ISLAMR1GHTABOUTWOMEN 5y ago
Doesn’t really sound like a relationship, just sounds like two fuck buddies. She cheated and monkey branched to get to you while you hook up with other girls regularly. If you’re into that, I have nothing against you, but I wouldn’t call it a perfect marriage.
EkMard 5y ago
It is indeed a perfect marriage. You want the man to also be exclusive.
ISLAMR1GHTABOUTWOMEN 5y ago
Marrying a cheater while hooking up regularly, yeah perfect marriage, if you’re a horn dog
thiskindofflair 5y ago
marrying a cheater and describing it as perfect marriage, while being on red pill. Oh the mighty have fallen.
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I lol'ed. This is the perfect marriage lol.