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Dukkas

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This post is to reinforce the reality that you should all know by now, or at least be accepting of, using my real world examples (that reality being that she’s not yours, it’s just your turn)

Of my five steady plates right now, only two of them are sleeping with me exclusively. The other three have their own agendas and side pieces. The takeaway from this post should be the understanding that just because she’s sleeping with you, doesn’t mean she isn’t sleeping with anyone else. Knowing this will help you be ready for the inevitable when you find out she isn’t a unicorn.

Plate 1- established that we would be nothing more than FWBs, she had just gotten out of a relationship and I don’t want one. She went from only fucking me (this time last year) to now having me + 2 other guys in her line up. So in the last year, she’s realized her own sexual potential and capitalized on it. I encouraged this because she lives 45 mins away and I’m not driving to her if I don’t feel like it.

Plate 2- Tried the whole reformed slut thing, ended up cheating on her BF with me after the bar one night. Over the last year she’s had two BFs and I have been banging her throughout all of that. Just because you’re boyfriend and girlfriend doesn’t guarantee that she isn’t branch swinging on you. During the second BF, she got drunk at a frat party and had a threesome (she never told him).

Plate 3- less than a year old, steady since October. One of my favorites, I like to see her at least once a week because she’s so fun. Since October she’s had a boyfriend (I didn’t know this until last week when they broke up). The week before the break up, my teammate and I double teamed her, go figure

Plate 4- exclusive with me* (for now). Really fun girl, only had her since March. Not sure where this one will go, I have a feeling she’ll pop a question soon.

Plate 5- also relatively new, kicked it off with her in late April. Exclusively sleeping with me* for now (I cannot read this chick so I have no clue what she wants other than sex).

Bonus- plate 3 had a smoking hot roommate who was fucking three guys that had no clue about the other guys. I got to know because I’d be hanging out at their house when guys would come through.

Double bonus- plate 3 and her roommate are both on a cocktail of mood stabilizers, the hot/crazy matrix is real guys, don’t forget that

They’re exclusively sleeping with me as stated by them but we all know that could be false. Based on their insane work schedules, I would be tough for them to be sleeping with other guys because I get their nights off

All in all- while I pride myself on my sexual aptitude, the first 3 plates cannot be satisfied with just one FWB because it doesn’t fill the emotional “I feel needed/wanted food”. Plates 2 and 3 confirmed this when I asked why they would cheat on their bfs (the BF provided emotional validation, I provided the sexual validation.

Never forget, she’s not yours- it’s just your turn.

Happy hunting gents

EDIT VERY IMPORTANT!!! If you’re not wrapping your dick up, get tested. Don’t take her word for it, she doesn’t know who the other guys she’s fucking are fucking. A blood test is one single little prick, herpes is forever

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ezragriffin 5y ago

For the new guys who don't know of the Hot/Crazy Matrix.

https://youtu.be/R\_USJCTIgs4

As per the author, "It's everything you need to know about women".

Dukkas 5y ago

Awesome video, thank you for sharing

oooKenshiooo 5y ago

I don't know man... keeping five straight up crazy whores in your line up sounds like a bad idea for multiple reasons.

The women you describe are crazy. If you keep sticking your dick in crazy, it WILL eventually backfire on you. Rape allegations, stalkers, jealous guys... It's not a question of wether it will happen, but WHEN.
Same goes for diseases. You are inviting a hoist of diseases into your live.
Not every disease that comes from sex can be prevented by wrapping it up (and also condoms break).
If she is sucking your dick without a condom, you might get candida or the clap. Happens all the time. There even is a strain of chlamydia out there that is incurable, because it developed resistance to all know antibiotics.
You also might get scabies or ringworm.
If you fuck her in her bed after some other dude fucked her, chances are you are rolling around in his cum. ;)

Need I go on?

Dukkas 5y ago

You’re not wrong dude, you’re not wrong. Of the 5, plate 4 is the most down to earth, 5 is pretty chill as well.

Plates 2 and 3 are the only once’s I’m truly concerned about with going crazy. #2 told me that she wants me to “really smack her around” which I’m just not gonna do, that sounds like an allegation waiting to happen. I hate to say it but when you put things like you did, I may need to get rid of 2 and 3 before they snap.

1 is going through a quarter life crisis so I’m going to have to keep an eye on that

actuallythink 5y ago

Just gonna point out that you seem to have now come to the conclusion that of your 5 plates you may potentially need to break the 3 that are openly riding the CC in your face.

I know, I know, dead horse and all but this is what I was trying to point out yesterday. I get your point that it’s generational, but I think that’s more indicative of each generation being exponentially more blue-pilled than the last. All your 20 something bitches need reigned in and that’s only gonna happen when the red-pilled men of your generation start to take accountability for your plates at every level (FWBs all the way to LTR—they reflect the men in their lives.)

Dukkas 5y ago

The dilemma here though is that I’m absolutely not trying to find a good girl to be exclusive with. They’re on the CC, that’s no secret. But it fits what I want right now perfectly, I’m not going to bother wrangling them in- that defeats the purpose of using them as interim FWBs.

If they need some guy on the side to provide emotional validation, that’s better for me since I don’t have to text them more than “come over tonight”. I’d rather be me, than that poor simp

oooKenshiooo 5y ago

I get your thinking, as it is perfectly rational for your current situation.

However... Eventually you going to need the skill wrangle a girl, and you are not going to develop it by being a fucktoy.

Your style of plating is going to lose traction once you hit 30 after that it becomes all about power... You get them to be faithful while you fuck around. It's an all or nothing game.

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oooKenshiooo 5y ago

You don't. They enforce it on themselves because you radiate your expectations. If you are clear on your convictions, she will pick up on it without you saying a word or initiating the topic.

Girls are pretty intuitive and can predict social behaviour very well. If she can not predict your actions, you will notice that she will ask questions around the topic, gathering information and testing your frame.

If you are the kind of guy she wants in her life and she predicts that you will drop her ass for whoring around, she will be careful not to - or to not be caught.

This is why it is called mastery.

actuallythink 5y ago

Idk, being another dick in a thot’s lineup sounds a bit like being a cuck to me. She ain’t worshipping your cock while she’s bobbing on a hundred others.

Spinning plates is good for short-cutting to an abundance mentality but this sounds like the cart before the horse to me and doesn’t seem too red-pilled at its core. You sound like a bitch riding the CC while your hamster says that its ok cuz you’re a red pill alpha.

scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago

Yeah I hate the idea of a girl I’m having sex with, having sex with other guys during the same period.

Dukkas 5y ago

There’s a motto on our team- “Everybody eats.” We pass our girls around like Pokémon cards and have fun doing it. Lighten up bro, these chicks aren’t wife material, they’re just here to kill time and play around with

actuallythink 5y ago

Girl sharing isn’t red pill, it’s straight blue pill. Just cuz you fuck someone else too doesn’t mean a girl of yours fucking another dude while you smile isn’t blue pill behavior.

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Dukkas 5y ago

I see where you’re coming from. I’m not worried about it though, like I said I’m having a hell of a good time

Huffnagle 5y ago

That’s a fantasy.

Blue pill is thinking they’re special. Red pill is knowing the truth.

If she’s just a plaything, I don’t really care what she gets up to when she’s not with me.

actuallythink 5y ago

Blue pill is allowing yourself to be absorbed into her hypergamous frame regardless of which side of that game you’re on.

Huffnagle 5y ago

No, by definition, blue pill is believing the lies. Red pill is knowing the truth. Full stop.

Now, if you aren’t willing to fuck girls who are playing with others, fine, you do you.

This whole alpha-beta-cuck mindset is kind of a fantasy. If you think she’s only a slut for you, you’re dreaming.

So, hypothetically, I meet some cute slut who wants to bounce on my dick. I know she’s got other guys, but she looks good on my dick. I’m supposed to walk away from that over some fantasy about her being faithful to me? That’s ridiculous. Now, if I catch oneitis when I know full well that she isn’t faithful, then I’m being an idiot. But I’m not walking away from some good pussy just because I know she’s a slut. I happen to like sluts.

St31nway 5y ago

BluePills don’t get to sleep with them. They get a “friend” that they hope they get to sleep with.

actuallythink 5y ago

Not always true. Billy beta gets transactional pussy often enough.

St31nway 5y ago

True. The classic pity fuck

bigtoeneedhelp 5y ago

Look man, the difference is whether she's lying to you about being exclusive so you can sleep sound at night or telling you the truth. You can never trust a girl that she's being exclusive with you.

Dukkas 5y ago

I’d say you can’t trust a girl period (or shouldn’t)

HorvathRed 5y ago

So what counts as red-pilled to you, if plate spinning while being aware of female nature isn't?

actuallythink 5y ago

Self improvement. Women are a side-effect, not the goal. To put it briefly.

Captain of your ship filled with a loyal crew of your choosing not a boat that taxis bitches riding the CC.

Edit to elaborate further: In my opinion, simply being aware of female nature while spinning plates is not red-pill. Being red-pill is dominating female nature. Turning females against their nature and towards yours. Shaping them to live in your world and cutting out the ones who won’t.

It’s what they are begging us to do.

By all means, spin your plates. But recognize when you’re spinning plates and when plates are spinning you.

Dukkas 5y ago

Put yourself in the shoes of myself and guys like me- we work hard, train harder (getting ready for a half marathon in August). I’m climbing the corporate ladder, cultivating my side hustle (one day my full time) and in the mean time, blow off steam with fun girls.

I don’t want them to live in my world, I just want them to spend the night here then leave so I can do my own thing.

actuallythink 5y ago

I’d believe that if your plates were ONS, but they arent. You’re emotionally invested more than you pretend to be. And that’s ok, as long as they aren’t fucking everyone else...

Dukkas 5y ago

You’re right, I am emotionally invested to some degree. I don’t see how that’s a bad thing though, it’s okay to be friends with people you fuck?

The point of this post is to explain to newer guys that each and every one of us has some kind of social spider web, girls especially. Hot girls even more so because of the sheer abundance of guys who want to fuck them. I’m not too sure why were arguing

actuallythink 5y ago

Hey man, no argument. Just a different perspective on what you wrote. I think it veers away from the core of TRP and too close to putting pussy (wether quantity or oneitis, doesn’t matter) on a pedestal as the goal and not a by-product.

I think the greatest benefit of RP is the ability it gives a man to cultivate a field of women willing to forsake their nature in favor of that of a high-quality man’s. Letting your plates fuck everyone else just because it’s “female nature” is, in my opinion, very blue pill.

Dukkas 5y ago

Gotcha, like I said before I see where you’re coming from. You can tell we’re from different generations because these days, I can assure you almost all single and attractive people are fucking more than one person.

If my plate needs a boyfriend to use as an emotional tampon, that’s fine with me because I can focus on what I want- awesome sex with no strings attached (unless she’s into bondage)

cheeseu_ 5y ago

Is it good or bad for you that three of the women are having other guys?

Dukkas 5y ago

Doesn’t bother me because I’m sleeping with so many other women. It would be like the pot calling the kettle black

WitnessTheTruth 5y ago

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the expectations of the sexes that took me a while to recognize and reconcile. I realized after spending the better part of a decade around women and reading the material on here to know one thing for sure. You CANNOT hold men and women to the same standards. We are not the same. It’s ok for guys to do certain things that women can’t do and vice versa.

You allowing big three of you five plates to fuck other guys is not indicative of indifferent outcome independent strength. Rather, it’s a sign of a reluctance to enforce stricter boundaries out of fear of losing access to vag. If it wasn’t the case you would just continue gaming until you could get five girls who ALL would be exclusive.

Back to my standards and expectations comment, I realize that this brings up the natural argument of hypocrisy. My answer to that is simple. It’s not hypocritical. And? So fucking what? We live in a society that we clearly see holding women to different standards. They get pats on the back for doing simple shit that guys are expected to do by default. I could list a thousand different examples but I don’t need to. It’s readily apparent in the biweekly new headline of some woman doing some thing for the FIRST TIME and everyone goes crazy over it.

I realized that since society and, in a grander sense, nature at large imposes significantly different standards for competence between the sexes, than there is no reaso n for me to feel shame for holding women to standards of my own that I don’t necessarily have to abide by that may seem to come off as “misogynistic” and “oppressive”. Here is a small list of what immediately comes to mind.

1) All of my girls are exclusive with me (but I get to spin plates ) hypocritical? Go kick rocks

2)They will all have low body counts.

3)They understand their role as a female in a hetero sexual dynamic aka SUBMISSIVE

4) No frequent clubbing or trashy partying. Controlling? Oppressive? Go fuck yourself.

What this society lacks is a solid male population with standards and discipline and the balls to enforce boundaries. That’s why Most of dudes come to this sub angry. Because they feel like women have all the power when it comes to sex when it is actually wholly the opposite.

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WitnessTheTruth 5y ago

Great questions. I’m going to go through it piece by piece starting with the first question about communicating.

First off the girls in question will not be a plate. They will most often be FWB who have been working on securing your commitment over the past several months. At this point the girl may or may not have other guys she fucks when you’re not available but it won’t matter because this is all under the assumption that you’re her top option. Because you’ll have to be in order for her to go along with the fact that you won’t be exclusive with her but she’ll be expected to be exclusive with you. “Not that easy to pull off unless you’re brad Pitt “. You’re right. Only the most successful, attractive, and valuable guys have access to this way of life. That’s why getting women begins with the self. Because at the end of the day women are about procuring resources. That fat, pasty, balding, old guy with the smoke show? He’s rich. The 6’3” surfer bro on the beach with an eight pack. Top tier sperm genetics. The successful photographer who takes pictures of models? He has Industry Connections. Etc. etc. BE VALUABLE. Not the fake “I am the prize” mentality. Have REAL VALUE.

Now for the conversation. I’m not going to go into too much detail but there will be a general theme in how it will play out. First and foremost, the relationship question about where it’s going and where you both stand will 100% of the time be initiated by her. Why? Because you’re already getting what you want from her (sex, submission, stress relieving feminine energy). Although she may have earned an LTR through her non sexual actions to make your life easier like cooking dinners, cleaning your apartment, giving you a massage after a long work day you’re still not in a hurry to promote to LTR because you’re already getting what you want.

(At this point you should be realizing that relationships in the current modern western climate exist solely to help a woman feel less insecure about the fact that she is essentially giving her body away for nothing. And by nothing I mean commitment. So we put labels with the intention of conveying “implied commitment” on what is actually just two people fornicating in order to give women plausible deniability surrounding their hoe activities. Boyfriend = “he’s committed up to the point of proposing so it’s ok if we fuck.” Fiancé= “he’s committed up to the point of literally being married to me. So it’s ok if we fuck”. The only legitimate relationship label in the world is husband and wife. Everything else is casual as far as I’m concerned. Husband= “he’s committed financially, physically, spiritually, and emotionally... so I don’t have to fuck” lol But I digress)

If you deem her worthy of a relationship the Convo goes something along the lines of: Her: so what are we. Blah. Where is this going. Blah. You: I really enjoy our time together but I value my current lifestyle (because you worked hard af for it) and I don’t want to give that up (because fucking multiple women is awesome compared to fucking one or none). I don’t mind a relationship with you, but there are certain things I expect from a girl I call my girlfriend. Her: like what You: most important standards expectations and boundaries here

Corollary: The thing with this dynamic is that instead of her having plausible deniability as is the case when you’re just starting out, once your expectations have been overtly stated she doesn’t have any plausible deniability for her hamster to use to justify fucking you outside exclusive commitment on your end as well. So not only is this option limited to men of top 10 to top 5 percent in terms of overall value but even with all that going for you MOST women will not agree to such overt terms. Even the ones that do agree go into it believing they can change your mind. So even if you aren’t brad Pitt you have to be HER brad Pitt aka her best option in order to even attempt this. Most men won’t have the resources, frame, and experience to pull it off until their mid to late 30s or early 40s unless they are exceptionally gifted. (Sports ball athlete, Billionaire inheritance, immense fame etc)

Next: “You’ll never know if she was sleeping with other men”. You’re right. But the key word here is “was”. She wants to be committed which means that previously we weren’t dating. This means I previously had no right to tell her who she can and can’t fuck. But since now I’ve made her an OLTR I have a right to tell her “no don’t wear that” or “no don’t go there” or “no you can’t see so and so”. Some say this is controlling. They are right. That doesn’t make me wrong though. I’d rather be controlling and get no ass than be a cuck washing another mans cum off my girls mouth with my tongue. In the beginning I prefaced this essay saying that the women who you can pull this off with will not be plates. They will be women you have a solid idea of who they are because over the past several months as she has been trying to please you and add value to your life you’ve also been taking this time to vet her. You know her baseline: The average attitude and demeanor she carries herself with overtime. Her baseline is how you will be able to tell that a girl that you are CURRENTLY dating is sleeping or cheating with someone else or is thinking about it. Why? .Because the only thing men need to do to understand what is going through a women’s mind is to watch her actions. You’ll know that any deviation from her baseline is either a result of you losing frame or another high value guy may be in the picture.

“Why do you think they’ll agree to being exclusive while you sleep around with other women?” Because you’re her top option. She LITERALLY CANNOT DO BETTER THAN YOU. That’s what being top option means. The value she derives from associations with you, whether that be financial, status, influences and connections, uncommon spontaneous experiences, or raw masculine energy(top tier sperm) she cannot get from anywhere else. So she will comply.

“Women would rather share an alpha than have a loser beta all to themselves” -some guy who deserves way more credit than I am giving him.

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WitnessTheTruth 5y ago

You state what you expect from someone you call your girlfriend. Remember, the talk is still happening at this stage, which means she’s not your girlfriend. You are OPEN to the IDEA of a girlfriend who respects the boundaries, standards, and expectations you state. Back in the day women were raised properly and knew what was typically unacceptable for a women who is being considered for LTR such as 1) clubbing 2)hanging with slutty friends 3) excessive alcohol/ hard drugs 4) tats and piercing that are not on the ear (attention seeking behavior) Etc. However, with the millennial and the upcoming Gen Z the above statements may actually have to be said because women hardly understand why we have these boundaries (Why high value males have these boundaries). However, the above examples are just that. Examples. You need to grow and mature as a man to understand what you want in your women (notice how the word woman is plural: aka keep a rotation of hoes at all times) and what is a deal breaker for you. After that you simply hold frame and enforce your boundaries. If they are crossed, even accidentally, there needs to be a response in accordance with the weight of the transgression. U/HumanSockPuppet has a far more in depth guide on bitch management. Hit the side bar and check it out. Other than that don’t over think this.

My bottom line when it comes to women in general is 1) is she adding value to my life or siphoning my value without giving equal value in return 2) does she remove stress from my life or take it away? 3) Does she want to serve me? Remember, women exist as beings that serve men in order to make our lives a bit easier and take way stress so that we as Men can focus on shit that actually matters (conquering goals and obstacles in our life). Why? Because men who conquer what was previously unconquered typically walk away with prizes (resources) that women would love to share in by proxy. Also, men are always pushing through the next frontier. Women aren’t as capable as us. They know this. Men have always been, are currently, and will always be the last line of defense between women their children and swift death from the forces of nature. Luckily for them, men exist to shoulder that burden. Our time, talents, and efforts MUST be respected. As you and myself included grow as Men (because the learning and experience never stops if you’re truly on your purpose) you’ll begin to understand just how valuable you are as a guy who has his shit together in a world full of timid, pussy-whipped, pussy starved man-children trying their hardest to fill their void of inadequacy and unrequited feelings of acceptance with female approval. Don’t be those guys. Be better. Because you can be.

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Obediah_Stane 5y ago

Just another stark reminder to cultivate options at all times and never invest more than you need to. Women will always have options and many times will see others on the side without you ever ever knowing about it.

Basement_Biotech 5y ago

What in the fuck was I doing in my twenties.

freeagent108 5y ago

Yep. I haven't had it like that in 10 years. God I miss being in shape.

Dukkas 5y ago

Do you have people you can train with? Its never too late to get back into it and I’ve found that it’s easier to do when you have competitors

freeagent108 5y ago

My knees are shot and I work a desk job and drink on my off days. I gotta drop about 30 lbs and I will be pretty sexual. I just got used to being an office boy I suppose.

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hockeyaddict87 5y ago

Plate three doesn’t have insane work schedules

Dukkas 5y ago

I don’t know when plate 3 had time to see her bf because I’m at her place at least twice a week (she lives ten minutes down the road so I can swing by to hit it if I need to get groceries, gas, etc)

AbjectAnswer2 5y ago

Just curious why do you ask your plates why they all cheat on their BF's and did you ever find out how many other guys each one with BF were involved with besides you? Did you know any of them? I wanted to see what you have to gain from their answers..

Dukkas 5y ago

Plate 2 I never asked why she cheats, it’s very obvious she didn’t respect the guy. Total guys involved- bf, myself, and one other guy from a party.

Plate 3 I had no idea there was a BF in the picture until she said they broke up (though we’d been fucking for months). Total guys- BF, myself, and my teammate (from the night we got drunk and had a 3some).

Plate 3 told me that since I don’t text her/call her ever, there’s an emotional gap that I don’t satisfy. The bf was there to provide constant attention while I was banging her multiple times a week, go figure