When people lie they often say the absolute polar opposite of whats true- there are no small lies. Take, for instance, the Strong Independent Woman and the idea that to embody masculinity as a female is more difficult and more daring than receding into a feminine role- this is not only incorrect, but it's the polar opposite of the truth.

Embodying masculinity, in world of gender role negativity, is an easy path for a woman to take. Unlike a male with an overt presence of masculinity, a woman who embodies power will not have the authenticity of her masculinity tested because the social narrative is in place that the Strong Independent Woman is fighting against the establishment and succeeding- we should applaud her moxie rather than question her credentials.

The perception of the Strong Independent Woman is that she has had a very difficult and challenging path to get to whatever point she may be at- university student, new employee, career woman, middle management- that the average person will mentally applaud her tenacity so loudly that her achievements and ability will appear more impressive than they objectively are.

Since she is Strong and Independent, she will surely not allow herself to be "pushed around" (the parameters of which are defined by her), and she is sure to understand the laundry list of protocols should someone challenge her- using other women, nice men, HR, the police, and the court system to secure her end. And since taking her oppositions side would be understood as being "part of the larger social problem," she is granted immediate credibility for whatever claim she makes- she has overcome so much already, didn't you know?

You certainly do not want to fuck with a masculine woman, but for none of the reasons that she believes.

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IBETITALL420 5y ago

LOW SMV females/hambeasts/approaching the wall/post wall usually have this mindset.

Their appearance has gone down the shitter, and they have nothing left. They have no power in that department.

So they've turned to fucking up our shit with their feminist hambeast/horrible customer service atittudes.

gotmilo11 5y ago

My supervisor has this trait and she likes to destroy my frame daily.. I can't do anything or I'll risk losing my job that I love so much. But there are times when she test my frame for no reason, I get pissed. I don't show it but I repeat her commands again so she can hear how dumb it sounds. Any advice will be great!

Redpiller77 5y ago

What the other guy said plus maybe some flirtation.

5baserush 5y ago

Never split the difference an fbi negotiation book talks about how repeating stupid shit back to the person is a great tactic. Normal people will catch themselves. Sounds like your boss is dumb af

Pristine-Mechanic 5y ago

Have you seen the "jar game"?

Draw the side view of a cup, like a U with square bottom corners. Draw a straight horizontal line halfway up, this is the water line. Now draw the same cup, empty, at a 45 degree angle. Ask women in your life to draw the water line for the second up. You will get funny results

DasWolffy 5y ago

I wish I read that while I was still active duty. So many missed opportunities looking back.

gotmilo11 5y ago

Wow thanks, didn't even know it was a technique the FBI used. But she just want me to retaliate. I just smile and carry on

TheRedPillRipper 5y ago

One thing I got out of it was to frame interactions as negotiations. e.g. “what does my boss want?” Me to comply? Or to demonstrate I understand how to comply..

Check out the post I wrote up for more.

Godspeed and good luck!

5baserush 5y ago

Highly highly recommend. First read was so good that i bought the audio book after and carried cliff notes around at my sales job for like 6 months.

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IATAsshole 5y ago

Nah you're doing great. Stuff all that shit inside of you, and carry on!

gotmilo11 5y ago

Will do, I hope she doesn't fill threaten or anything. I don't want her position what's so ever lol.

krensky57 5y ago

I recommend trying to activate her maternal instincts. What you want to do is go to her for "help" and "guidance" from time to time. Make sure the help doesn't make her take responsibility if things go bad, but allows you to give her credit when things go well.

If successful mama bear will even protect you from other crazy females in the work environment.

gotmilo11 5y ago

I will.. and I have. I will let her know whatever she says or does will not bother me.... Like nothing happens and carry on

Former_Loser 5y ago

This is great advice. Honestly the best option. Turn a pain in the ass into a positive.

gotmilo11 5y ago

I'm always learning thanks !

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daveed1297 5y ago

Sounds horribly insecure, men with power that are confident rarely do this unless there's a purpose

StereoFood 5y ago

Hmmm I kinda think there’s gotta be some subtle way to retaliate? Like super subtle back handed comments. Idk. Maybe not even bother. just be great and do great work! She probably wants a to fuck the shit out of you btw

gotmilo11 5y ago

She bites her lips when I come ask her for help.. or maybe I'm reading to much into it.. but my goal is to do well and raise up the ranks

primo_pastafarian 5y ago

Keep it up. And don't let her get to you. If she tells you to do something dumb, just shrug like your give-a-fuck is broken and say "yeah, OK".

Everyone has a boss. But they can only order you around for x hours per day.

Stay chill, stay cool, give zero fucks.

gotmilo11 5y ago

Zero fucks! Thanks.. that's how I should think when someone tries.... It won't bother me

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alikebabay 5y ago

Yep, that is an open ticket for you to destroy her.

bone_shadows 5y ago

what frame do you speak of if you let some bitch destroy it so easily? how?

gotmilo11 5y ago

Understood. I've noticed that lately.. I have no frame if I let something so small bother me.. it shouldn't. I should have carried on and did my work.

jojojijo333 5y ago

Shit tests, shit tests everywhere

primo_pastafarian 5y ago

It's great that a woman is smart, driven, capable, intelligent, etc.

But while they might do that in their professional life, they want to be able to turn it off in their private life, and especially in the bedroom.

They're in control so much during the day, they yearn for someone strong to take control in private.

It's the same basic principal of how tall girls tend to be more submissive in the sack.

bone_shadows 5y ago

actually very based and accurate from my personal experience. i dated a girl who ran a high class bdsm club (yes they exist) for stock brokers, ceos and such, no sex involved just rich powerful men getying their balls stepped on and cigs put out on their stomachs. this job netted her enough money to buy a house at 25 and she eventually sold it for close to one million dollars at 29. i began fucking her at 30.

however she was the opposite of a dominatrix. she was 511 im 6 ft and she wanted to be tied up and fucked like a dog. something about seeing all that dom shit and owning a buisiness made her so submissive

uwey 5y ago

I have dated many (double digit) women that makes way more than me.

Various factor such as Alpha dad, networking, prestige school with legacy and endowment baby etc. I retained multiple as fb and they are in their late 20-30s making 300k+ salaries. Probably doing shit for family company, probably don’t need work at all (meet a chick runs NPO) They are what used to be call strong independent women, but many of them use it as disguise to shit test out low class male. Social class matters, race not so much, you fuck a top chick, her family is not going to be low class.

They all stands out as normal women btw. In fact, the strong independent women vibe is only perforated amount low class women. I am not saying this is absolute, but there are lots of young, smart, rich, and obedient women out there. They are thirsty too. If you are strong independent man with SMV and some status, you should find them right away during social situations.

As long as you have your shit together, you may enter and plow those women as you please. They too deny the fuck out of it initially but their vagina is tied to their heart. Vag don’t lie.

To me, a lot of these rule of thumb boils down to a single most brutal RP rule out of all. It is the class war, everyone try to win. Everyone trying to improve or out maneuver others.

Money, Power, and Sex shall be your top priority. You got to pick one of them, because if you don’t, you will eventually fall out of favor of masters and yes no one live for themselves

Strong independent women are often bitter, lonely, and hate man as their job.

Date a strong independent women that are fuckable and fun, enjoy the ride. Stay away from fat, dumb, wasteful nagging bitch as soon as you smell them. They are btw majority in most cases. So you should improve yourself, and fuck cool, hot, young, and rich women if you have opportunity.

Don’t waste time of fun tatoo 6/7 bitch, they are good fuck like junk food, eventually your time is better invested to fuck top chicks, why? These Dick-Vag connection also opens up more networking opportunities.

Why rich people all lived in proximities? Why they all shown similar behavior? Fuck a lot of rich chicks, you will see why, and you will eventually open up to new opportunities through her connections.

Finally, DO NOT waste your time on women, get money or power is far more important to get pussy. If you have power or money, women will never be a issue to you but a waste of time.

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Redpiller77 5y ago

How did you get these women if you aren't from their social class?

uwey 5y ago

1) get your act together, don’t get bad habits, get good habits. 2) and physically fit, muscular fit. 15% is ok with higher BMI.

usual measures is able to carry a 130-150lb women very easily. I can carry her plus grocery without a sweat. That somehow impressive to most of them. I hike and run a lot to stay in shape.

Keep dating, try to get 2 date per week so you get about 100 per year. That should be less than $3000 per year. If spend 3k is a issue for dating, then you need to make more, spend money on a trade/useful degree to make more.

I go to airport quite often, so does hotel, and online speed dating. Make sure you split for bill because never worth over investment. You narrow down your time, resources, and look to get the best women at your class. Often time they come from above you. Occasionally you meet a one comes from poverty, if she have tatoo, plate her. You know usual rules. There are fake fish too.

You want better women, upgrade yourself.

If you look and feel high class, but come from poverty, it is a transformation they care, not your social class.

Transformation is always more fascinating that banal normal life crap.

Be a man that experienced he world’s work on a man, and gleefully read everyone with extreme prejudice while keep it all to yourself.

l0velyduckling 5y ago

all you're going to find is fat, dumb, wasteful nagging bitches with the attitude of women. you think the good girls want YOU? out of all the kind handsome rich guys out there? dont kid yourself they can smell your pathetic desperation.

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Infernir 5y ago

Why is a female kid browsing an old RP forum? She clearly has no world experience to even form a good counter argument here.

The dude never said all the 'good girls' wanted him, I don't know how she came to this conclusion. He never said they were 'good' or that they wanted him, he was merely giving tips on how to lay them since he claims to have already laid many. Its safe to say she just considers herself not one of the "good" girls which she must be confusing with rich, privileged, and "strong independent" stereotype girls. And because she used 'good' to describe them, it shows low self esteem within herself.

She can't even put a dent on the basics of RP philosophy... that isn't even redpill philosophy but just basic information even middle schoolers in the dating world know. Women love 'bad' guys... the 'kind handsome rich guys' out there are probably blue pilled at nature with the sort of kindness she's thinking of, and disgust older girls or they're just using them for money.

They don't have to be kind or nice to get these girls or spend a penny of their money. They simply have to be charming, confident, and generate attraction or what we like to call the tingles.

Desperation? He literally says not to waste time chasing women in the end... Even if he was desperate & pathetic why would you assume a rational man would express their thoughts on Reddit with their behavior irl?

Realworld 5y ago

I only choose strong, intelligent women. My last 4 long-term relationships were with a corporate vice-president, a movie producer, a state judge, and a state administrator. They were each at the top of their fields, and got there through work, determination, and competence. They put life effort into their chosen fields.

What they were not, was happily independent. Each was happy to have me in their lives. And I was happy to to have them.

Being intelligent, competent, confident, reliable, physically fit, attractive, and successful isn't a gendered thing.

Btw; you will find your strengths are higher and you reach is further when you pair up with another competent adult, and can both trust each other.

woodie_wood 5y ago

Reminds me of the joke where the dude is choosing between 3 girls who list off dozens of practical reasons why they should be picked and he ends up choosing the one with the biggest tits.

GGrub8 5y ago

There is a reason those relationships didn't last. Them.

BitchesBrew_MF 5y ago

Soooo why did all of those relationships end?

Realworld 5y ago

All relationships ended on friendly terms, normally with occasional sex until they find their next relationship.

State administrator: she wanted kids, I wouldn't reverse my vasectomy.

State judge: I was set on years of world travel, she had a career.

Movie producer: two separate careers, mine took me away.

Corporate VP: permanent lasting relationship, she died of cancer.

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What finally changes is making enough money you no longer need a career.

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liberty1127 5y ago

Why would you even have this conversation with a woman? You knew where it was going before you started it.

Cristoff13 5y ago

Just to keep the population stable, throughout history most women had to have 5-6 kids each and devote most of their life to childrearing. You could have had some alternative arrangement where the men took over child raising, but this would be inefficient, and inefficient societies tend to get quashed over the course of history.

IveSawitall 5y ago

Stop talking shit. Women ain't interested in anything except themselves. Leave anything to women and it dies abruptly. don't be a pussy.

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GGrub8 5y ago

Strength is a masculine virtue, not a feminine one. A bit doesn't hurt, but too much is unattractive on them.

The female version of this virtue is resilience, the ability to keep a composed, elegant, graceful and dignified attitude in life in spite of hardship. Our female ancestors knew well that such a trait could melt a man's heart and tried their best to act this way, even when faced with tremendous pain like the loss of a child (which was common back then).

Nowadays Feminism tells women it's okay to act like shrilling harpies in public for minor things, as if it makes them appear "strong". No, it makes them utterly repulsive, hence why once they hit the wall and their beauty is gone they have nothing valuable to offer.

If only women listened to their grandmothers' advice and realized this, so much misery could be prevented in both sexes.

blaqsaqattaq 5y ago

When people lie they often say the absolute polar opposite of whats true- there are no small lies.

Dumbest thing Ive seen written on reddit today. Best way to lie is bury it in truths. What OP describes appears to be a grade 5 level understanding of lying, so really anything he wrote after that can be tossed in the garbage

FinalFormal2 5y ago

There are a lot of ways to lie bruv. What you're talking about is pacing and leading. It's effective to convince something of a very specific lie but doesn't really work very well or permanently if that lie contradicts the narrative they have about themselves or the world.

People tend to bounce back to whatever they feel in their core is true, or whatever they fundamentally rest their identity/reality on, because the destabilization of believing otherwise is painful. Replacing that core is the big lie described by Hitler and it's what OP is talking about. The reason why the big lie works is because people want to believe it and they find it useful to understand the world through it.

For example, politicians like Donald Trump can use or hint at a grand narrative that minorities and Democrats are to blame for all your personal hardship, include your economic troubles and psychological distress. (The truth of this being irrelevant.) Because this narrative allows you to externalize your problems, feel like a martyr, be able to bond over personal problems with fellow believers and have all of this validated by a powerful leader with strong branding.

The strong woman idea is also a grand narrative. (The truth of this narrative again being irrelevant.) The idea of the strong woman helps a lot of women offset the tremendous reliance they feel toward men. Firstly and least disputed, women are a lot physically weaker then men and so are at their mercy and have to go to them for protection. In addition, women are a lot more neurotic (big five personality trait) than men, and so experience negative emotion more harshly, again making them reliant on men. They are also more agreeable, (documented big five again,) meaning they naturally avoid conflict and are less likely to speak out when they want to. This means that they usually aren't as great of advocates for themselves as men are, which again makes them feel weaker and more reliant. All of this is scientifically proven.

From this, the idea that women have a special power or can or should be very strong can be very attractive to women. Vulnerability is a very painful thing, especially when there's not a lot of people you feel you can rely on. The number of weak men in modern society further women's feeling of vulnerability, because weak men cannot protect and cannot control themselves. In addition, higher rates of divorce and single motherhood can mean that women never have a strong man in their life and might adopt or idolize masculine traits that might not come as naturally to them because of personality differences.

If you know GoT, Cersei Lannister is a very interesting examination of this and you can see it especially in the books. She recognizes her vulnerability to men and it's very traumatic to her psyche.

TL;DR Big lies are sometimes easier to swallow then small ones because big lies can serve important psychological functions. In the case of the strong women ideal, women can offset their feelings of vulnerability by adopting a different view of the world.