Lol believe me this is not how most women think. If being shredded happened mainly due to good genetics instead of hard work, there would be shredded people all over the place.

You hit the nail on the head man. One of my red pilled friends said don’t ever mention the gym to a girl. Let her believe the narrative that your were born like that”.

Never reveal what's behind the curtain.

Leaving up because of the comments. Otherwise low effort.

"She doesn’t know that I was a fat kid who got picked on in primary school."

Then why don't you tell her?

"She doesn’t know that I was the worst basketball player on my middle school team."

Then why don't you tell her?

"She doesn’t know that I was a skinny weakling in high school"

Then why don't you tell her?

My point is - she doesn't know these things because you haven't told her.

"There’s nothing to gain by telling your plate/LTR about the tribulations and troubles of your past. Keep it to yourself, it will feed the mystery and myth of you in her eyes."

My experience has been the complete opposite; I've been 100% upfront and honest with every girl I've been casual with, or had a longer relationship with - I'm even upfront and honest with my casual fuckbuddies. I've been met with complete honesty from them (which makes banging them/dating them a HELL of a lot easier/less drama). Not to mention they're more sexually-open and wild in bed because me sharing my vulnerabilities with them makes them comfortable sharing theirs with me - better sex and better relationships.

Not to mention by sharing your struggles, you show them it's ok not to be perfect - and they'll start sharing their struggles with you and they'll understand everyone is a work in progress. A lot of them will be inspired by your self-improvement efforts, and they'll start working on their own self-improvement. You can literally inspire chicks to start their own "red pill journey" just by sharing yours.

Example conversation from literally 1 week ago:

https://i1.wp.com/killyourinnerloser.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/body.jpg?w=783&ssl=1

I'm having 3somes with her and another girl I'm dating:

https://killyourinnerloser.com/why-losing-fat-matters-above-all-else

Again, I'm this honest and open with EVERY girl I bang. It's worked well for me - I'm at 140+ lays, had 3somes with 14 different girls, been dating my girlfriend for 2+ years (we sleep with other girls together). There's proof of all that on my site (pics and vids).

I understand that I'm probably not going to change your mind on this, and I don't necessarily want to. You're very adamant about your philosophy, I'm very adamant about mine; I'm not here to debate. Just offering a different side to the story.

-Andy

To be fair, you were born with great genes like all healthy humans. But you actually put them to work and made them show that greatness.

LAW 25 - RE-CREATE YOURSELF

Do not accept the roles that society foists on you. Re-create yourself by forging a new identity, one that commands attention and never bores the audience. Be the master of your own image rather than letting others define it for you. Incorporate dramatic devices into your public gestures and actions - your power will be enhanced and your character will seem larger than life.

LAW 30 - MAKE YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS SEEM EFFORTLESS

Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. When you act, act effortlessly, as if you could do much more. Avoid the temptation of revealing how hard you work - it only raises questions. Teach no one your tricks or they will be used against you.

LAW 32 - PLAY TO PEOPLE’S FANTASIES

The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing, that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.

LAW 34 - BE ROYAL IN YOUR OWN FASHION: ACT LIKE A KING TO BE TREATED LIKE ONE

The way you carry yourself will often determine how you are treated: in the long run, appearing vulgar or common will make people disrespect you. For a king respects himself, and inspires the same sentiment in others. By acting regally and confident of your powers, you make yourself seem destined to wear a crown.

Well said and I agree 100%

Women don't really understand or relate to hard work. They hangout at the finish line and fuck the winners, the naturally gifted.

Whenever I was in my early 20s I would spend 2 hours in the gym 6 days a week. Girls would ask if I worked out and I always got a better response if I just played it off like "Um kinda, I just run and do push-ups" and they think I just have great genetics. Morons.

"Yep, I was born like this, baby. It's pure genetics. All of it."

And you know what? It's not even a lie. You had the genes all along, you just made them manifest.

Correct. Creating illusion of effortless competence is a fundamental part of TRP. The obvious application of this is when a girl complements you on your gym gains.

‘Wow you’re really muscly, do you go to the gym much’

Now all lads who are getting these complements probably have a set gym and nutrition routine they follow religiously that has taken them years to develop.

But do you say this? FUCK NO. You say ‘yeah I go to the gym a bit’

Then subconsciously they put it down to genetic superiority, believe you are a good mate and think about all the other things you could achieve with seemingly little effort

I'm 22 and still a virgin. I always felt about that but story gave me a lot of hope and what I should be doing in life.

This is a hard one to understand sometimes. Makes you realize the huge difference in ways of thinking between the sexes. I had this discussion regarding the ability to play guitar and sing. Discussed how there was a time when he first started and we are only seeing him after years of practice, hard work, and failure. All I kept getting back from the females I was talking to was how talented and naturally gifted he was. It was as if the concept of growth and talent development did not exist.

I hate the whole "women looking for good genes thing" most of surival is about behavior, not genes. There are millions of dead people who had great genes, probably a better starting point that you had. Genes don't give you resistance to being shot in the face.

Also epigenetics exist.

I think what women really are thinking when they want a guy who "just gets it" and just "is" a winner is that they want it to be so implied in his being that he will conquer that it doesn't even need to said or reinforced or validated. Like the man, as a being, is some broken algorithm that prints money, no need to worry about it working, it will work every time.

If you wanna get Jungian on it, which is what I believe. Women don't have the ability to rebuild their superego the way men do. Children are passed down their idea of what humanity is from their parents, this is the superego. If the formula for "the way humanity should be" is correct, you'll grow up to be just like ur father, and ur sister will marry a guy just like ur father. But that isn't always the case. Just because you became a father doesn't make you perfect, and just because you conquered the problems of your time doesn't mean you can conquer the future.

In every heroes tale either the father dies or the father is incapable of being king for some reason, and so his son has to step up and prove himself and become king, and before he steps up he has crushes and acts all beta and after he proves himself the girl is all over him. There is no "before and after" for the women there is only "I knew you could do it".

Women have no concept of this, the hero of the story is always male. Yeah girls develop their character and become better people I guess, but it's not heroic, it's just because why not. Theres nothing on the line, she isn't balancing the future of humanity in her actions, her actions only determine who she is next to, so in order to be a good queen, the first thing and most important thing she has to do is get picked by a king. Meanwhile to be a good king, men have to first become king, and then run the fucking kingdom better than anyone else.

I could go on and on about this forever, but thats why women have daddy issues and men don't. Men get over it or they die or they be a slave to their father their whole lives. I had a shit dad, drug addict, everything he taught me had nothing to do with the real world and following his shitty advice costs me at least 5 years of my adult youth. So to become successful i had to unlearn it and teach myself. I had to be my own father, as every man should. My sister however, is daddys little girl, and just grabbed a guy just like him. In her mind my father will always be better than me which as the successful, red pilled man i am today, I find hilarious.

You could make an argument that "fluid intelligence"-the ability to be the best at any random number of tasks, is what women are looking at here, which is genetic. But having a good father and good guidance kicks the shit out of that anyday.

I tell this shit to my current gf and she just has no fucking idea what i'm talking about, to this day when we talk about my past she says the most condescending bullshit on the fucking planet, like why didn't I just stop being homeless. Shes a smart girl too, Master's degree, but they just don't see it. Struggle for me is fighting to let go of parts of myself that are weak, struggle for her is the world attacking her. Don't get resentful about it, simply withold respect.

Girls can only relate if they had to overcome stuff theirselves.

My girl was born a daughter of immigrants, but she hussled hard and is now a senior consultant at 24. She can relate to this kind of struggle.

Most girls have it easy though. That's why they think people are born a certain way and that's it.

Women don’t give a fuck about your struggles, they wait at the finish line

As Cristiano Ronaldo said, "talent without hard work is useless". Same could be said about genes

Absolutely. Women don't wanna hear about your struggles they only wanna observe the winner in you so that they feel good about being pumped by a winner

The magician must never reveal the trick. So never explain it to anyone who doesn't want to become a magician very very badly.

And these chicks must be way less smarter than I gave them credit for - how dumb can you be? So there's again no point in explaining to those incapable of understanding basic truths.

That's pretty much the 30th law of power right their. She wants to believe you are a natural alpha, An alpha built by god and by nature put on earth to reward her for being herself.

It's always better to make your skills and abilities look like they came naturally or without effort, otherwise people are gonna think of your as unauthentic or get jealous.

Oh yeah babe, I was born with a PhD, an 8-pack, benching 200lbs, with a driving license, owning a car, motorcycle and house and the nurses kept saying I was so funny that I should do stand-up. All natural babe, fuck yeah genetics.

sorry, but your ltr is dumb as fuck

Probably one of the best posts I've seen in a while. I've always had these thoughts, especially recently. However, you put them into words well. Basically, letting her in on your loser past is only convincing her (subconscious) that she shouldn't fuck you, lest she potentially have genetically inferior children. She won't be able to explain why, but if you convince her of the loser you used to be and how far you have come, she won't appreciate it like men do. Quite the opposite, she'll lose attraction.

Damn. I had the whole mentality different. I would always assume a women like how a man faced obstacles and challenges of loosing weight. Would always post my before pictures and show them how I look now on Snapchat. Saying I grind to get to this point.... Didn't know they just want the finish product that they assumed you were just like that

“I know you work out hard, but you were BORN like this. You were always like this.” She could not fathom that I had to build myself up to what I am now.

No, she was talking about your mind. You were born with this drive to improve and the willingness to work hard, that got you to where you are. (Although being a loser in school might also have something to do with it, though again, it's mostly mindset - some people, when pushed down, stay down, others jump back up harder.)

She wants to believe the myth of YOU

not quite. she needs to believe the myth that you can't rise up out of your situation, that certain people are just born certain ways. its the only thing she can hold on to. seeing other people take responsibility for themselves when she hasn't invalidates her life choices, or lack-there-of.

Look up flowers and forges by u/feralred.

Women don’t care about your journey, only the end results.

Women don’t want to see behind the curtain, they don’t want to know how much you struggled to get to 225 bench or how many times you got rejected or how you know how to act with women, they just want to feel you “just get it”.

Same thing with/same reason why they hate TRP. They hate to see the manual, but love seeing the results of using said manual.

Not all women are this stupid. They go to the gym and have transformations, too. I'd rather find somebody more grounded in reality who can appreciate that.

Women are retarded as fuck. Tell them what they want to hear and then fuck them silly.

I actually forgot about: "Make Your Accomplishments Look Effortless" until you reminded me, thank you.

Wait until pussy gets boring...

Can,'t and won't stop learning.

Evolutionary psychology could get us so far if political correctness didn't get it in the way

She literally didnt believe me when i said "you wouldnt even look at me if we knew each other when we were teens"

Showed her my pic when I was 18, she was quite shocked and just called it "puberty" , I worked fucking damn hard for this

If you can tantalise a woman's mind using your social and physical abilities, she'll believe any bullshit that comes out of your mouth. That's partially because she's already decided she wants to fuck you, and partly because you're already in her head.

I've had similar experiences to you, but I never reveal what I once was - a skinny-fat, social retard with terrible game. How things change.

Women want the finished man they don’t care about the process

If she knew the truth she would lose attraction. That is the irony.

Not only are you supposed to run around the gym like a rat but you are supposed to be high quality your entire life from the get go, never building yourself up.

Needed to hear this. Thanks.

What to do when someone overshares? Any way to create mystery again?

*She wants to believe the myth of YOU*

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Its solipsism too--Women are born with their value. Men must create it

'Your actions must seem natural and executed with ease. All the toil and practice that go into them, and also all the clever tricks, must be concealed. Avoid the temptation of revealing how hard you work, it only raises questions. Teach no one your tricks or they will be used against you.'

LAW 30 48 LAWS OF POWER

Man some of you kids are fuckin crazy

Well to be fair, neither would we know if you didn't write this pointless post. Maybe try educating her. Also enough with the 'after I was done fucking her' shit. It's irrelevant and you are just here to stroke your own ego

I want a girl to say this to me, and completely drop the bomb on her how pathetic I used to be with a complete DGAF attitude about her knowing the truth - just to test the effortlessness law of power vs the imperfection teaching of pook.

Women do not have appreciation for men because they expect men to be powerful (hypergamy + solipsism)

I hate how true this is. What's even the fucking point then

She may have also been trying to boost your confidence. When you state what seems like obviously true things about yourself, girls sometimes view it as you being negative and feeling bad about yourself, and so they react the same way they would to one of their girlfriends calling themselves fat. They try to make you feel better. She isn’t trying to convince herself of anything about you, she already knows what you really are trust me, she just wants you to feel better about yourself. You DON’T actually feel bad about yourself, but what her behavior should tell you is that even if you feel weak or if you did have to work for your position, never reveal this to the world, because it puts her in a dangerous position to be with a man who openly talks about his weaknesses.

That sounds like some shit my crazy ass sister would say lol

I like the idea. "Of course, woman. I've always been like this." Which is the equivalent of saying "Woman, I was borne out of my mother's womb full clad in armor and proceeded to fucking slaughter my 400 brothers before they killed me, aztec deity style." Much like the aztec religion, this is full of shit, but they want that. They crave the fantasy.

Amazing insight.

Sprezzatura

It's what all women want in their men

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