This post is part of a series covering our first summer group-read book, BRONZE AGE MINDSET. For the next month, I'll be reading Bronze Age Mindset, and dissecting what I find interesting. Feel free to make your own posts, if anything I missed strikes you as interesting! For this post, we'll be looking at Part One and talking about the cult of self-improvement.
This series should not only be us dissecting the dense and esoteric aspects of BAP, but also interacting and responding to what we see- the English teacher in me wants to remind you all, this is how we should read everything! As such, this post will be part one of my interactions from a quote that struck me from Part One of BAP:
"It's in this world and almost only in this world today that you can start to polish the claws nature gave you, assuming it gave you any." (33)
The first place my mind went after reading this is our very subreddit, "The Red Pill," that I can truthfully say, without a hint of hyperbole, that my life would not be the same had I not found it- quite randomly- in the spring of 2013. That said, my margin note next to this underlined quote reads: "the cult of self-improvement." Let's look at the popularity of self-help, or self-improvement, which some have tried to rebrand as the less losery sounding "self-development," from both angles.
As a nerd, I was first attracted to TRP for all the theory talk. I was already lifting, and decent enough with girls, but felt alone with how I perceived the world- losing friends by the day, making observations on Facebook (don't do this), I felt like i genuinely had esoteric knowledge, like some kind of modern-day prophet (sitting on my throne, in front of my computer) seeing things that went unseen! Things hiding in plain sight! Finding TRP finally made me feel like I wasn't going through some so smart I've become insane kind of scenario- and before I knew any better, in that awful between time, I started linking my (remaining) Facebook friends to articles I found off of TRP (really don't do this).
But no one is snorting a line of the greatest drug in the world and rolling up the bag of potato chips and putting them away for the night. Before I knew it, even if I was already damn good at talking to girls, I was on-to "game advice." I was watching RSD videos. I was reading Roosh. I was reading Rollo. I was amping my lifting game. I began to be conscious of using my free more wisely- almost to the minute. I only wanted to take part in activities that would yield value, not consumption. I am not being disparaging about any of the above- on its face, these are all good things.
Maybe in a different time, in a different place, things would have been different- but I can only speak to here and now.
Something funny would happen, as I became sharper with all things- better shape, better game, better overall package- my results would not coincide in a 1:1 basis with these improvements. I became obsessed with understanding why.
Ironic that, what I came to know as the sexual marketplace- the gap between men and women would widen at a higher-rate than I was capable of improving. When I found the manosphere, it was said that 80% of women fuck the top 20% of men- and seven years later, it feels closer to the top 10%. Very tangible and concrete reasons for this, of course- the general acceptance of online dating apps, specifically online hook-up apps, and the stigma surrounding promiscuity all but extinguished for women under forty. We'll talk about the wall in part two- but if you think women in their forties aren't getting pounded out by mid-twenties Chads, well, welcome to the modern world.
So, self-improvement is a chicken-and-egg issue. Are we spending all of our time improving to dominate the market, or are we boxed in constant improving, value building, and glass-chewing discipline to chase diminishing returns? Yes, we can take a step back and say: IF YOU'RE CHASING WOMEN, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. And there's certainly truth in that- I would be doing all the same things at this point, at forty-years-old, whether I was getting laid or not... but let's also be real here, we're here because we want to be successful in an increasingly aggressive sexual marketplace.
My cigarette smoking grandfather escaped Belarus after getting in a bit of trouble with whatever their version of the mafia was, killing the man who was sent to kill him, and catching a boat to America- where he paid our version of the mafia for his papers, keeping the long and very foreign last name I am blessed with (first name given after him too). He had two children, and many girlfriends- not something I'm necessarily glorifying, but it is what it is. He did not spend all of his time self-improving. I doubt he ever set foot inside a gym.
Is it wrong to spend all of your time improving? You're smarter, fitter, and cooler than your Grandpa- yet he likely found a higher return and degree of satisfaction than you. I don't have an answer for you- but it's interesting to think: are you improving because you want to, or are you improving because you have to?
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noNooodleArms 5y ago
And I'm thankful for it. I follow Uncle V's advice and stay away from women my own age.
therealsuH 5y ago
My TRP self-improvement snowball, has become an avalanche of financial improvements, family relationships being healed + strengthened, increased focus on studying + career planning, etc.
However it wasn't without mistakes, fear, regrets, stress, pain, hate, anger, and so on. It's important to remember as we all venture down the road of self-improvement; plateaus, set-backs, and pain/sadness are to be expected.
Let's continue to aim for improvements in all aspects of our lives, but us self-improvement addicts need to kick back and learn to relax as well.
LastRevision 5y ago
I'm at a point where a half-hour of free time on a Sunday before a work week will make me a little uncomfortable. I even think to myself: how do I maximize leisure time? The Netflix problem- am I watching the best shit? Is this exactly what I want to be doing? It kicks your ADHD addled brain into hyperdrive, watching things for a minute or two, and then back to browsing.
If I learned anything through the quarantine, it's that I can stand to have FAR MORE rest days when my gym opens- I used to think if I missed three days in a row, I'd start to lose gains. How fucking hilarious is that now? I was the type to be there 6 days a week, grinding away to the exclusion of... well, maybe not all else, but it put a strain on my other goals.
What I was trying to get at with this post was- yes, we are chasing a fleeting market- but once the self-improvement addiction takes hold, it becomes its own thing; yes, it comes with benefits and positives, but there are certainly diminishing returns when it's ALL YOU DO.
The joke about the widening market gap is that girls would kiss my ass for barely looking like I lifted fifteen years ago, and now that I'm in the shape-of-my-life, like times ten, it's like, "yep, you and every other guy. Cool story, bro." LOL. FTGW.
therealsuH 5y ago
Very good points and the Netflix problem is real. I go through the same struggle on Youtube, with news articles, Netflix, and other watchable/readable sites.
There was definitely a period of time when ALL I did was for self-improvement. It hurt my physical, mental, and spiritual health now looking back at it.
alikebabay 5y ago
I beleive it is better to be jacked loser (with women) with well paying job, than just a loser. Also, I dreamed about being jacked even before I found red pill. Thst "self improvement is mastrubation" line from Fight Club really fucked me up. Only now I understand it was said by fucking jacked Brad Pitt. So he was lying. How stupid I was...
FauxPas123 5y ago
What he means by that is that the advertisers are trying to use mens sex drives to sell products. Buy this and you will instantly gain sex appeal. Pitt is suggesting that masturbation is self improvement in the sense that relieving sexual urges is the better alternative to buying material products in an attempt to impress the opposite sex.
LastRevision 5y ago
It's masturbation to the point that it is literally "for yourself," and if you think there is a greater end to it, or a higher purpose, this is deluded thinking. What you are able to do with an improved self is what will count in the end, but getting stuck in the feedback loop of self-improvement as an end in itself isn't much different from spending your time with porn and video games.
ArcangeloPT 5y ago
Great discussion. As for the concluding question, aren’t we all doing both? We see that the market has high standards that don’t match ours and so we create a want to be on par or at least close to those standards.
Even if we don’t need to, my impression is that we’ll all get some feeling of want to be better. It’s all about the struggle. That’s why so many people on the verge of collapse end up committing suicide despite, as one would say, having ‘it all’.
If you don’t have a specific purpose, you’re bound to meet your doom, mentally. So this need (and want) should be focused on being a better, more transversal overall person each day.
Not necessarily to make it something where it’s do or die but just something to ponder.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
The "80 women fuck top 20 men" is garbage because we see "losers" who are bottom of the barrel in society get laid so yeah dont believe that stupidity
JamesSkepp 5y ago
It's either statistics from OKcupid or Tinder, basically confirms 80/20 rule on millions of examples. Are there exceptions, yes, does it mean the 1% exception of "losers but still fucking" invalidate the 79% remaining "losers" that don't fuck?
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Internet is based entirely on looks. Obviously IN REAL LIFE the 80/20 theorem doesn't apply cus we see fat fucks, ugly guys, short guys, etc getting laid with decent girls or better.
So those statistics are inaccurate.
EDIT:
So what defines being a top 20% male in your theory?
i bet the average TRP user will find it's not so 80/20 in the real world after all.
JamesSkepp 5y ago
The real life 80/20 rule is around 95/5.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
Hah, then everything is hopeless we should obviously just kill ourselves.
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
But, but, but...hyperrrrgamy, bro.
Didn't you know hypergamy falls out of women's assholes and is responsible for their decisions during 97.56% of the day?
Hahaha. It's just more ideology pushing. We must create a terrible enemy to advance a narrative.
The 80/20 rule is some random number someone made up and everyone just accepted. It feeds a nice victim mentality.
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