This post is part of a series covering our first summer group-read book, BRONZE AGE MINDSET. For the next month, I'll be reading Bronze Age Mindset, and dissecting what I find interesting. Feel free to make your own posts, if anything I missed strikes you as interesting! For this post, we'll be looking at Part Two and talking about cities are degenerate cesspools for women.
"The city...is humanity reduced to a steaming ratpile." (73)
The most horrifying portion of Scott Alexander's plea to not be doxxed by The New York Times is what he almost certainly thought was an innocuous reveal: that he shares an apartment with ten other roomates. Ten other roomates, as a Doctor of Psychiatry! Can you imagine? Poor Scott didn't think this was anything strange, or out of place, because this sort of arrangement is very common for those who live in high profile cities- even for elite professionals.
Through Hollywood propaganda, city living has become something venerated. Age old is the trope of the small town kid leaving their pathetic, little anti-intellectual town for the potential glory and like-minded lot of the big city, where they will more likely work 60-hours per week, just scraping by with enough for rent and food, and share a bug's life in an over-crowded tin can. How very glamorous!
There are those who will tell you: not me, no. They think they will be Don Draper, drinking whiskey sours in endless after-hour meetings, screwing their big titted, redhead secretary. This is like when kids will tell me they don't need to think ahead, or plan for the future, because they're gonna be a YouTube streamer because Jake Paul and PewDiePie. Let's shoot some hoops, cause maybe you gonna be Michael Jordon.
These are the odds of being successful in a city... and now you exist to the exception of all else beautiful. Of nature and space. Of quiet and solitude. Space to live and breath with freedom.
Funny line in The Office is when dickhead Ryan tells a friend on the phone that Pam is an "eight in Scranton but a six in New York"- it's cute because she's sitting right there. Supposed to be funny and degrading, but like everything on television, the opposite is true! Yes, there are more beautiful women than Pam in NYC- she stands out less and is a bigger fish in Scranton... but, I ask you, does it matter?
Taken to its logical end, Ryan's explanation would imply that being a man in a big city makes it easier to get laid. There are so many beautiful women all around, that Pam hardly even stands out! There must be enough to go around! As you probably know, due to the 80/20 principal, the rare successful man in the city is cleaning up big time with major harems and a rotating schedule that would even make Rollo blush. Women aren't invisible in big cities- men are.
My old friend Christine- who once shouted at me that all vaginas are the same size- would needle me about never moving to the city. I never felt drawn to the crowding and filth that BAP is critical of! I am someone who has always liked space, and, in my heart I have a fondness for suburbia. Quiet enough for a summer night of solitude walking the streets- but close enough to a grocery store if I'm ever in the need of ripe, fresh tropical fruit at 2am.
Christine couldn't wait to move out to the city- and whether she was conscious of it or not- because she knew that only in the city could she have access to the true god-tier alpha males.
Understand this: women most desire to provide themselves the highest degree of sexual selection, and preferably with the highest quality of mate; even if only for a night, even if only for twenty minutes.
Living in a city is a disadvantage for the vast majority of men- perhaps even 90%- where you will slave at a job and live in a crowded apartment.
Perhaps some will like this, the competition and the grind, but understand the odds and know the truth before deciding!
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incelinthirty 5y ago
This is absolute gold. I couldn't have put it in words like you did. I have always noticed that women tend to prefer living in cities than in rural areas. For a long time I believed that it's because they love to socialize and shopping and stuff. But the real cause is that cities have a flashy allure to them that suburbs lack, and that allure, even though false, draws women like moth to flame. Women love attention, gossip and an outlandish lifestyle. Women hate boredom, simplicity and solitude - everything that make up a typical rural setting. So naturally, they are drawn to cities.
harmonicpinch 5y ago
After you've done the city thing for 1+ year, I think a period of time spent in a less stimulus-rich place can be beneficial. You don't need to spend your resources getting random girls, because you've gotten it out of your system (at least for the time being) and now you can spend your time honing your craft.
The many stimuli of the city can have diminishing returns, and after awhile can be a net negative. Getting some fancy food, spending all weekend raving, sleeping with hot girls who are vapid inside, "networking" and drinking all night with people who don't really care about you...
Take the city experiences and now cut the chaff off your mental models and hone your crafts and skills in a frictionless and less stimulating environment.
Red_Omelas 5y ago
Scott doesn't say he "shares an apartment with ten other roommates" he says he lives with "ten housemates including a three year old and an infant."
I think a more reasonable assumption is that he lives in a house with a wife and at least two of his children. As for the remaining 7 "housemates" I would sooner wager that they are additional children and/or extended family than random roomies he found on Craigslist.
LastRevision 5y ago
Maybe
dopexile 5y ago
I live near downtown in an affordable midwestern city. I am thinking cities are in big trouble.
1) Lots of companies are letting people work from home. No need to live like a rat in NYC. You can move to the suburbs or a rural area that is much cheaper with a lot more room. A lot of people live in the city to have a short commute but that may no longer be needed.
2) Coronavirus spreads faster in cities. Much of the positives of living in a city such as bars and nightlife are wiped out. These places are closed or if they are open only allow 25% occupancy. And with the virus spreading, would you even want to go?
3) Crime is getting out of control with all of the black lives matter comedians wanting to let criminals take over and defund the police.
4) Most cities have a pension and financial problems and taxes will be raised.
5) Homeless are running rampant in a lot of cities. They are treated like a privileged class of citizens held to a different standard and allowed to do whatever the hell they want. In San Francisco, I've seen them urinate with large crowds around them or take a shit. I almost stepped in feces on the sidewalk. They shoot up heroin out in the open. You can't make this stuff up and yet citizens of these cities don't see a problem and get used to this behavior.
I can't fathom why someone would want to pay exorbitant rent in NYC, Chicago, Boston, or San Francisco to be packed in a tiny apartment like a rat and having to deal with a bunch of quality of life problems.
Redpiller77 5y ago
Do you think people give a shit about this stuff? Do you honestly think 20 year olds are thinking about any of this when they are planing on moving into the city?
dopexile 5y ago
Even the ignorant will figure out that stressing to pay $3,500 a month on a closet-sized apartment is completely optional when you can work remotely from anywhere.
SalporinRP 5y ago
I agree with you on the other 3 but Chicago is a great place to live.
dopexile 5y ago
The whole state of Illinois is a sinking ship. The state is losing population. The people moving in are much poorer than the people moving out. There are a lot of illegal immigrants coming in.
Property tax is out of control and it is causing home values to be lackluster.
The pension obligations are going to crush the whole state. Politicians will increase taxes to pay for the pensions, causing more people to want to leave, creating a vicious circle where they need to raise taxes even more.
States neighboring Illinois like Indiana and Wisconsin are benefiting from the stupidity.
claykiller2010 5y ago
Yeah until those people leaving will start blindly voting for the same political party that ruined their original state.
SalporinRP 5y ago
Ok yeah in 10-15 years it might be fucked but Chicago right now is an awesome place to live in.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
BLM and inner city bum dung is mostly a US problem. And to be more specific mostly a problem associated with democrat run cities AFAIK. Correct me if I’m wrong.
oilwellpauper 5y ago
there's no such thing as a city that isn't liberal
Dudewheresmymoto1 5y ago
You can find world class anything in the top tier cities. Thats why you pay exorbitant rent to live there.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
True, but online shopping, remote work, and ”activism” is reducing the pull.
Dudewheresmymoto1 5y ago
True, but there's still gonna be the hottest girls, the best career opportunities, the top of any skill/hobby, as well as a bunch of random shit (could be a plus or negative depending om your outlook)
Hjalmbere 5y ago
I enjoy outdoors stuff like skiing, nordic skating, surfing, scuba diving, hiking etc. You will not find that in any city. Nowadays you can also market your skills online. In the flesh networking can be done at conferences etc.
Basically the only reason I can see for being in a city on a long term basis is to pull chicks due to selection and logistics. And that’s hard to get around.
Dudewheresmymoto1 5y ago
True, I overspoke. Every city isnt going to have every best-of, but for all the hobbies Im interested in, really good people are concentrated in the city I chose to live in. Hell, Denvers great for outdoor stuff and San Diegos probly great for water stuff (though dont lnow much about water hobbies). Are you going to get better skiing in Montana or skiing in Denver?
My main point was that moving to some rural suburb Id probly be the best in the area at all my hobbies, which doesnt really mean shit (and ironically is the very point op was making)
cunningcaring 5y ago
Big cities have a lot to offer: museums, parks, gardens, music, shows. And yes, you find surfing and hiking in big cities. Ever heard of San Diego? Honolulu? San Francisco?
Nocryingok 5y ago
LOL do small towns not have parks, gardens and music? And yeah... I'm sure you go to museums every week
Hjalmbere 5y ago
Was responding to DudeWheresMyMoto1 who claimed the ”top of any hobby” was found in a city. I’m sure you can go surfing in San Diego and San Fransisco, but you’d be tripping over homeless people on the way to the beach in the latter. Also hiking is superior in the Alps and on the PCT. Surfing is better on Bali etc.
dopexile 5y ago
All of that stuff being offered can be utilized by day trips and vacations to the city. How many times does someone go to the Zoo or museums? Perhaps once every few years? Once you've seen it, then you've seen it.
drbrockstar69 5y ago
It’s all a numbers game. And the one thing cities do give you, is more people. My good friend is a Greek god, but he lives in small bum fuck college town USA, and sure it’s great for the first 5-10 lays, but then you can’t go to the same bars or you will be noticed. This girl happens to be cousins with the last girl you hooked up with, etc
Cities don’t have that problem. You can slither by bringing a new date to one of 3 bars near your house and no one blinks and eye. The logistics alone of being nearby the action saves you time and money.
The main point is though, if you HAPPEN to be in the top 20%, then it would be a disservice not to enjoy city life for a transient time. It’s a buffet. If you’re tall and built, if you have money, or a bubbling social circle, your ceiling in a city will be higher than any other place possible.
incelinthirty 5y ago
If your life centers around banging hot girls, then yes, cities are a lot better than a podunk town. But there's more to life.
SKRedPill 5y ago
In small towns everyone knows each other, connections are in fact deeper and closer, and have to be long lasting (yes, have to) -- so trust and reputation have more value. In my country going loose in a small town could make you instantly notorious overnight, and it won't be long before social sexual strategy puts a halt to yours. So you have to play qualitatively, aka LTRs and marriages. So you have a rather small number of long lived relationships.
In contrast, in a city with 7 digit population figures or more, you are more of a statistic on the radar. So you can afford to play a numbers game. This is what social media allows you to do, connect to anyone, but also discard with little consequence. Consequently you have a large number of quick relationships.
Once you expand this to a globalized world, no one barring a celebrity or a politician is even a blip on the radar.
The same is true for women's sexual strategy as well. One act of hypergamy could be enough to redpill the whole town in a small place. In a globalized world however, what happened to you is nothing special in any way.
It's no wonder that for most of world history we've kept men and women's sexual strategies restrained for this long. Most of history we lived in small settlements where everyone knew each other. Plus we had no sexual protection nor any treatment for STDs so sex had consequences.
The size of our surroundings in a modern environment decides whether we lean to the side of R factor or K Factor sexual strategies.
incelinthirty 5y ago
No matter how high your SMV is, if you are in a city, you are playing the game on women's rules.
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brasilgringo 5y ago
FWIW my monthly rent for a 3 bedroom, 4 story penthouse in Rio De Janeiro was $1089 last month -- granted with massive devaluation of local currency. My living expenses overall probably came in at <$4K. Sure, you give up a lot to get it -- just look at the mess Brazil is in currently -- but you could probably find the same in the Phillipines, Thailand, or even 1-2 "second world" places in Europe (where you have the advantage of being 1-2hr cheap flights from *everywhere* in Europe).
Serenity-AlKpote 5y ago
I've come to the same conclusion after travelling around Eastern Europe for a while.
For now my plan if things go to shit in my country is to leave and do that in either Belgrade or Athens. Food is cheap and great there, same for housing. And, quite importantly, there are tons of cheap bars that are perfect for work.
(check https://laptopfriendly.co/belgrade ... this is hilariously better than, let's say, Paris, where your best bet are 10$/hour co-working spaces full of flamboyantly progressist digital entrepreneurs)
Belgrade is especially nice to me : I like the spirit there, and I've met some pretty "red-pilled" guys here. 20 years ago NATO was bombing these people, and they've kept some of the buildings in ruins in the city centre. Memory refresher, eh.
redpillcad 5y ago
I've lived and traveled to all the big glorious cities and achieving top spot may be harder but game, muscles, and some income is enough to slay.
The men there mostly can't feed themselves. They can't drive. They can't clean. They do spin class not powerlift. They lean liberal and vote for their own destruction.
This isn't a call to live there. But if you did, and followed basic TRP principles, you would do just fine
TheMuslimMGTOW 5y ago
This is something I've been working on for the last few years. I'm currently making about £200-£250 per month passively (which is £200-£250 more than I was making last year), and I'm wondering at which point can I pack my bags and say fuck it and leave. How much would you need to be making online? £1000 per month? Or could you get away with £500 per month?
Also, Mr. GLO, I was wondering, which cities would you recommend for having a good quality of life (nice environment, nice culture, safe etc.) at a relatively low price? In all honesty, I'm quite inexperienced when it comes to travel because I grew up poor as fuck and my family never went on holidays.
I'd greatly appreciate your response.
jojojijo333 5y ago
This is so accurate. Feminism is just the last level of gynocentrism.
drbrockstar69 5y ago
Very high risk high reward. And with the progression of remote work I see it becoming more possible. But this also requires that:
A majority of the people here won’t go to a bar alone. The idea of going to a developing country requires a “sink or swim” mindset. Extremely lucrative if you can make it work. But that’s a big IF for a lot of these people.
LastRevision 5y ago
Sad how much this happens- in the comments on this very post, even! "Dude, the GOAL OF THE RED PILL IS TO SELF-IMPROVEMENT INTO THE TOP 10%"
Never mind the mathematical unlikelihood of that. Not that you shouldn't strive to do what you can, as we all do, but to act like that end-goal is possible for most is ridiculous.
Redpiller77 5y ago
Women are not hotter on second world cities.
BitchesBrew_MF 5y ago
Feminism is meant to flourish in economically developed areas like first world cities, meaning then that the women are more likely to destroy their beauty as well. If there’s women in poor Moldova, they are probably more fit and feminine on average than the girls in Chicago or LA.
Wolfgang985 5y ago
I have been living in a 2nd world city for nearly a year now. The women, on average, are light years more attractive than the average chick from the States.
Additionally, I can definitely substantiate the part about them being less fat.
I'd say maybe one of out of every 20 Polish girls I see are fat. In Greece, overweight women were basically non existent.
And before anyone says something, yes Greece has been downgraded to 2nd World - at least outside their major metropolitan areas. They're honestly less developed than Western Poland. There's roaming packs of stray dogs, trash everywhere and a litany of vacant, unfinished buildings littering the landscape.
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hearse223 5y ago
If you got girls in a town bringing their cousins from out of town to fuck you, you are on the right path for sure.
acoltismypassport 5y ago
Right on, in every sense.
I was an 8 in my countryside town, with slim pickings to choose from. Moved to the city, my status downgraded. Looksmaxed more, lifted more, dressed better, upped my game in every single sense. Now back to my original SMV in the city environment. With literally orders or magnitude the number of available women (every age, nationality, ethnicity you could think of) the options available are infinitely greater. You slay. Even if only 5% of your openings are successful, that may very well be 10x what you would get in your sleepy home village.
The OP reads a little nihilistic and doomsday for my taste, but it's not entirely untrue. Work smart, progress wisely, and don't get caught up in the bullshit. You can rise above a significant majority that way.
LiveAFTSOV 5y ago
oh boy here we go again...
INNASKILLZ2K18 5y ago
Hahahaha...yeah dude...didn't you know, if you're in the top 20% life is a breeze...women fall at your feet and you have it all handed to you....in the mythical 20%.
Best get out the metrics and hold frame
THOT_Analytica 5y ago
The subhuman coomer will prefer the city because he is unable to create his own experiences, he needs to consume the city's social constructs to exist, the male version of the female that thinks she's living in Sex and the City, they belong to the streets like rats in a sewer.
Short-changedChad 5y ago
Many here are not far enough along the journey to realise this.
therealsuH 5y ago
My friends and I went to a drift event in bumblefuck Wisconsin. There was a babe with an amazing body and beautiful face walking around. Obviously we all noticed her instantly, however, my friends were confused as to why she was with a guy who was so much "uglier" and "trashier" than them.
Easy explanation is that she doesn't live in a big city like Chicago, instead, she lives in a small country town in Wisconsin with a population of 200 people.
You can pull the hottest girls in a small town or suburb, even if you might not be top 10% in a city like NYC or LA, as long as you're better than the competition.
incelinthirty 5y ago
So the conclusion is that cities favor women's SMV as in a 5 or 6 could easily get on with a 9 or a 10 and small towns favor men more. An average joe who would be invisible in a big city life New York can score with hot girls in a rural town.
ALIENL0VER69 5y ago
Usually dont comment but you're getting ripped on. I definitely resonate with what you're saying. Ive been on redpill for 3.5 years and ive noticed a lot of posts get shit on, often for good reason, but not this one. Its definitely true if you're looking for an LTR that you're going to want a chick NOT from the city, the city is a cesspool for humanities worst. Its also a playground for the top ten percent though, if you were a single, extremely attractive, wealthy male, then i dont see any downsides to being in the city. Women choose more in the city but theyd be choosing you so its really a good thing. Enjoy'd the post man keep it up.
TheAmphibiaRapist 5y ago
It seems that instead of opening up your horizons, you are closing them, and you seem to have found an affinity for this book (and other elements of pop culture) that fit your narrative.
Your revulsion at city life and affinity for suburbia is telling. What is a "cesspool" but a pool that has ceased to flow - like a swamp. What volatile, uncertain, and avante-garde things can happen in suburbia? A deer accident? Neighbor Jones might get a drone? I'm reaching here ... maybe somebody gets pregnant.
What kind of volatile things can happen in the city? A shooting, a homeless revolution, and every concert that has ever happened - a hotspot for the new and exciting.
Choosing the suburbs is the equivalent of shutting yourself in the basement for whatever rationalization you've given yourself. We are here to push our limits, and to grow.
Put another way, all my pussy friends want to live in a cheap place 30 minutes from downtown. All my interesting friends live within a 5 minute walk of it. Money is one thing - but living your life to your full experience - cultivating uncomfortable situations - growing as a human... or stagnating in the real cesspool, and rationalizing it as "an affinity for solitude."
Wishing for the flood is elementary thinking, shaping the culture is the mature outlook. If you haven't been uncomfortable lately, you haven't been growing.
incelinthirty 5y ago
So many assumptions here. How is living in a city make you push your limits and grow? What exactly you meant by uncomfortable situations and how'd that help you grow as a human? Would you like to find yourself in the middle of a bank robbery? That'd be hella uncomfortable I am sure. And how is living in a rural area stagnating when you are exposed to nature 24/7?
TheAmphibiaRapist 5y ago
Why don't you try to apply some of that same critical thinking to OP instead of stroking his cock just because it says EC.
Redpiller77 5y ago
While I mostly agree that living in the suburbs is a waste of time, people like the cities because they are fun in all the wrong ways. Everything you see on the city is only an illusion.
harmonicpinch 5y ago
Meh, partially correct. After you've done the city thing for 1+ year, I think a period of time spent in a less stimulus-rich place can be beneficial. You don't need to spend your resources getting random girls, because you've gotten it out of your system (at least for the time being) and now you can spend your time honing your craft.
The many stimuli of the city can have diminishing returns, and after awhile can be a net negative. Getting some fancy food, spending all weekend raving, sleeping with hot girls who are vapid inside, "networking" and drinking all night with people who don't really care about you...
Take the city experiences and now cut the chaff off your mental models and hone your crafts and skills in a frictionless and less stimulating environment.
THOT_Analytica 5y ago
LastRevision's post could as well be a reply to your coomer comment.
TheAmphibiaRapist 5y ago
I will add that the intent of TRP is to become the top 10%, not to merely understand why they have all the success - to perform extra reps in approaches, skillsets, and gain a next-level understanding of the world for a next-level experience of the world.
Your post is groveling. You've given up. I don't mean this as a personal attack, but you should not be giving advice on here.
BitchesBrew_MF 5y ago
Sounds like a personal attack bruh...
Where's your content to this community? All I see is posts on watches (yes I have no posts either but you don't see me personally attacking ECs).... If you're going to shit on an EC at the very least have some content contributed towards this community, otherwise you're no different than the average sperg who does his drive by attack in the comments section...
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I don't really consider retarded homeless revolutions like CHOP for example to be something exciting that we look forward to in the cities for instance, or Skid Row. Nor am I very excited at the rise of marxist politics in cities here in the US. I know people who are baller but can't stand being in such tight corners small land overvalued just because it's near downtown or the trendy area and want a ton of space to be able to DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT. People are going to start slowly leaving the cities also too going forward because the cons of close proximity, people will be able to work remote in the future in much greater numbers meaning they can live where ever, the emotional based politics of the useful idiots, and the rising violence with police force numbers dwindling or outright being rid of due to the screeching of the idiots.
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Also, the sexual marketplace isn't just confined to rural anymore for a man and it isn't urban either. It's GLOBAL. Hot chicks are everywhere and thanks to technology and travel we have much easier access than ever before so focusing on just the nearest big city isn't necessary either...
TheAmphibiaRapist 5y ago
I didn't notice he was an EC until after I posted the comment - I was only replying to the content, not the person. I noticed you didn't concede any of my points - as if 100% of what I said was wrong.
To answer you, I've tried to post on here a few times with alt accounts, but it always gets blocked for one reason or another, so my contributions remain for me or in the comments. I'm not going to beg to contribute.
I'm not a fan of the homeless either, it was just an example of the randomness that happens downtown that doesn't happen in the suburbs. All I mean is that in the city, you get the extremes - high class high life and low class lowlife. You don't get the boring middle. In the suburbs you only get the boring middle.
Go ahead and DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT when 90% of your neighbors are old Indian couples with 2 kids who tremble at your sight - you are not going to grow in such an environment.
Anyway, some cities are worse than others. I've still got time to make the best of the good ones. Keep the best, leave the worst.
Hjalmbere 5y ago
You can be the richest swolest motherfucker on earth but you’ll not be getting any pussy if you’re living in the Alaskan wilderness.
Cities also offer more job and business opportunities although one thing I expect to come out of this whole covid-19 thing is location independence when it comes to work. Employers will be more willing to let you work from wherever if you’re a knowledge worker.
Other than that OP is spot on. City living sucks. Pollution. SJWs. Noise. And a city is no place to raise kids if you have any.
THOT_Analytica 5y ago
If you can't then you're not "the richest swolest motherfucker on earth".
SalporinRP 5y ago
Good luck convincing them to still pay your city salary while you're working from bumblefuck, wherever.
Facebook already said that after these next few months anyone not working from the San Fran area is getting their pay docked.
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