Howdy cocksmokers, Donkey here. I read a thread on asktrp in which the OP of the thread basically said: “My nose was ugly so I didn’t get the girls I wanted, I had an operation and now I’m good looking so I get the girls I want”.
Now, what may the reason be for this? The answer lies in a concept called Shadow Psychology. I’m not going to delve in all to deeply in this concept, I’ve given you a keyword to google if you’re actually interested in learning about this. I will only elaborate how said OP disallowed himself fucking anything above HB7 because of his mindset.
TL;DR: How to stop cucking yourself
A fair warning is that this post will be relatively long
So, first of all, he actually got laid. He found TRP somewhere along the line, started lifting, got some sales job that elevated his social skills to an extent and in the end he got pussy - just not the pussy he wanted. Why didn’t he get the pussy he wanted in the first place? How come he got pussy in the first place if his nose was so ugly that the girls he perceived as attractive wouldn’t even look his way due to his ugly nose? The truth is, the answers lie all within himself, but instead of realizing this he blamed the world. What he did, was telling himself “I’m too ugly for these girls”, so he became too ugly for these girls. He created his own reality. As many men here understand, looks on men aren’t all too important. Don’t get me wrong, women love an attractive man, but it’s not as important as you believe. The only thing you're doing is projecting what you want yourself outwards; you want a sexy woman, so you assume that sexy want a hot man. Women probably do want a sexy man, but it’s not as dependable as you believe because where women ONLY play on their looks, men play on their looks, status, and money. Women’s SMV is based solely on their looks, whereas men’s SMV is based on an average between these 3. The funniest thing is that you control your looks and status entirely yourself, and how people perceive your looks and status is actually based on how you perceive your looks and status yourself. I’ll get back to this in a bit
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An elaboration on this;
Female SMV
Looks: 7/10
Results SMV = 7/10
Male SMV
Looks: 2/10
Status: 10/10
Money: 10/10
Results Smv: 2/10 + 10/10 + 10/10 = 22/30 → SMV = 7,33../10
Your looks are somewhat a mix of environmental conditioning and genetics. You control how fat you are, and what clothes you wear, but you don’t control the fact that you have an afro. Your status can be affected by genetics, but are for the most part environmental conditioning. Your money can also be affected by genetics (hello 10/10 models), but are in 99.9% of the cases environmental conditioning. Lastly, your looks are more dependant on environmental conditioning than you believe. You think that how people perceive your looks aren’t in your control, but it actually is. Actively thinking that you have ugly looks will affect any progress you’ll make with women, it will actually start affecting how well you do with women because your status will drop due to your shitty self-image. When you lift, your self-image becomes better and thus women perceive you as more attractive as well. As mentioned, your afro is due to genetics, but how you perceive your afro is up to you and it is essentially only that, that affects how attractive you are in your afro or not.
Realize
What said OP essentially did, was shifting how he perceived himself (by having an operation) - and now he gets the girls he wants, essentially because he deems himself worthy of them. Said OP mentioned that before the operation, he got women up to the point of HB7, that they approached him and talked about fucking him, but nothing above HB7 seemed to look his way. What he did mentally to himself, was saying “aw man these girls think I’m ugly due to my ugly nose”, followed by “now is my nose attractive, so the women will also perceive my nose as attractive”. He shifted how he perceived himself, though it was required of him (by himself) to have an operation before he could do so. After the operation, he got the pussy he wanted - because he deemed himself beautiful enough to finally fuck these pedestalized, glorified, oh holy attractive HB8+. The mistake he made from the beginning, was pedestalizing attractive women to the degree that he let them control him. They sensed this, so they didn’t want him - the ugly woman wouldn’t have wanted him either if he would have given them the sense that they actually could control him. For himself, he knew that these ugly bitches couldn’t control him, so he controlled them instead. He fucked them because he knew for himself that his SMV was so out of their league that they shouldn’t even have the audacity to not fuck him. Why he didn’t fuck any HB8+, was because he knew for himself that the HB8’s SMV was so out of his league that he shouldn’t even have the audacity to even try to fuck them - again, he created his own reality. All these HB8s perceived him as lower SMV because he believed himself to be lower SMV.
There was this man in Russia a long time ago called Rasputin. Rasputin was an ugly motherfucker, but this man more or less fucked every woman in Moscow. Legend has it that he even fucked the Tsar’s wife occasionally. How could an ugly motherfucker such as Rasputin fuck more or less every woman in Moscow? He learned how to do it by good game, so he believed he could, thus he knew he could, thus he did*.* He created his own reality.
Now, you might think for yourself “but Donkey, I know that genetics do affect how attracted women are to men”, so now I answer the question In which ways does genetics actually affect?
Your genetics are relevant to the extent that the better genetics you have, the more ‘slack’ you’ll have - that doesn’t mean you don’t have to work on your shit anyway. How your genetics is actually affecting your outcome is based on how you perceive your genetics yourself. If you believe your genetics are actually ugly to the extent that you “know” that you’re ugly, you WILL become ugly and you WILL be perceived as ugly - because you saw to it yourself. No man possesses Alpha genetics per se, you share over 99% of your DNA with each and every other human being, so every human would be Alpha per that logic. No, a man becomes alpha because he takes the role as an alpha. His genetics might have helped him in that direction, but he is alpha because he has seen to it and because he says so.
You create
The environment of TRP has partly become self-victimization; all too many newcomers let their reality control them because they believe they can’t control their reality and thus they can’t control their reality. You are stuck in the anger phase, blame shifting proclaiming it’s the world’s fault that you don’t get laid, and complain over the fact that female nature is fucked up. While female nature actually is rather fucked up, you choose for yourself how to emotionally react to that. If you accept that the female nature is fucked up, you deliberately accept that you can’t control it, thus you can actually control it more - if you have in your mind that you wish to change female nature, you blame shift to the degree that you won’t change how you perceive female nature and thus you will stay in the anger phase whining about female nature. This is why TRP preach Stoicism because Stoicism teaches you how to get rooted in your emotions, and how to act rationally instead of reacting emotionally. By saying “I’m too ugly for a woman”, you react emotionally to how you perceive yourself. You create your own reality.
Your reality
The mantra “lift” is chanted here because what lifting essentially does to you, is giving you the fundamental idea that you can control yourself and your reality. Even if this is something you don’t think concretely of, by lifting you actually control your reality - you perceive yourself as more attractive (logically) and thus women perceive you as more attractive; women find you attractive based on how you perceive yourself, and not on how attractive you actually are based on genetics solely. They might think you are genetically attractive, but if you don’t believe you’re attractive yourself, they won’t perceive you as attractive because you as a man control what women feel - this is why it is important to keep the frame and to play on your own conditions and no others. If you play in a woman’s frame, she knows she is in control and she doesn’t want to be in control.
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Now, in the original post, I’m speaking of, I somewhere commented
I am 6'5, 200 - 230 lbs (195cm, 95 - 105 kgs), and I'm literally perceived as a Viking. I have good genetics and I look good, I know it myself and others know it too.
And got the answer
Stop giving "create your own reality" advice to ugly guys. You're not ugly, you have zero clue.This is why TRP is full of shit. Guys who have it easy telling the guys who have it hard how easy it is.Do you honestly think you're helping or are you really just jerking yourself off?
Let me elaborate on how I’ve created my reality so that I can jerk myself off, without breaking my arm.
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5 years ago, I was a nobody - I was an AFC. I lifted, but I perceived and deemed myself as not worthy of fucking all those hot women because I was also fat. What I realize now in retrospection is that these women actually found me and my fat attractive, because I wasn’t fundamentally unattractive - what made me unattractive was the way I perceived myself - unattractive.
Because I was a nobody, I fucked nobody. And I somewhere accepted this and rationalized it by thinking “I’m not that attractive”.
This is the original comment I made
I'll tell you a bit about myself. I am 6'5, 200 - 230 lbs (195 cm, 95 - 105 kgs), and I'm literally perceived as a Viking. I have good genetics and I look good, I know it myself and others know it too. Do I get approached all too often? No. I can see exactly how many women want me wherever I am, but the truth is they are too scared to approach me - because I perceive myself as if there are no other human alive with the same SMV as me. The effect my mindset has? Basically fuck anyone I want, when I want to (and not when she wants to). Being approached means that you are talking with her on her conditions. I'm essentially displaying to women that I only would talk to them if I wanted so myself. I would only fuck her if I wanted so myself - her pussy has no power over me. Women can sense this, and because of that they stand desperately and stare at me. I made two sisters fight each other because I made out with one of them and fucked the other. Because I knew I could, and I knew I could because I believed I could.Now, I'll tell you something else about me. I wasn't always like this - 5 years ago, I was the biggest fake alpha / real beta you could find. My general attitude was alpha, to the extent that I didn't give a shit about anything outwards, and because of that a lot of women got attracted to me - but I was a beta because I cared more than I showed at first glance; I was insecure in my looks, I had a lot of muscles but much fat as well and I was insecure about my fat, and whenever a girl took a liking in me and she saw my "real me", she got disgusted by the fact that I had essentially fooled her with my fake alpha aura that she didn't even want to keep me as an orbiter. Now, imagine that.My Beta days were allowed, by no other than myself. My beta days were exactly what I had created for myself. Heck, I was a virgin far longer than someone would have predicted based on my genetics - because I had a shitty game. And I doubted in myself - I created my own living hell.So, what did I do? The third time I got heartbroken, I thought "why the fuck isn't these nice guy actions working", I found TRP and here I am, with an N count I don't even know myself. I realized that I was the one creating my own reality, thus suffering from my own creation's consequences. There is a book called The Gulag Archipelago, written by Alexander Solzhenitsyn; he was a soldier in Soviet, and after 15 years of war in Europe he got back to Soviet - only to be thrown into the Gulags (concentration camps of Soviet) when he got back home. Now, what most people would have done, would be to think "Oh, it's Stalin's fault that I am sitting here because [Insert any rationalization]", but what did Alexander do? This motherfucker thought to himself "how exactly have my actions up to this point brought me to where I am today", and the effects that his introspective thinking had was literally the settlement of the Gulags - he literally changed the world by accepting himself and the fact that his suffering was a consequence of his own actions.What has this to do with anything, you might think? What this has to do with anything, is the simple fact that every action you take, every thought you think, you are in control of, and you create your reality thereafter. If you've ever thought to yourself "ah fuck my nose man it's too ugly for all these HB8+", then this is the reality you will create - I repeat, THIS IS THE REALITY YOU CREATE. You become too ugly because you believe yourself to be too ugly. Accept yourself for all that you are, and so will the world.
Yourself
In closing, I’m going to tell you this one more time - YOU create YOUR OWN reality*;* none else have that power. Realize this, seize the power, and control your outcome. Don’t blame the world, because the world has essentially denied men doing so - it is asked of men as a group to take care of the world, so it is your task to do so. Whining about it will only drag you to the depths of the SMV hierarchy.

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oothalpee 7y ago
How do I start creating my own reality and my own abundance mindset?
I tried visualization and affirmation but it just feels fake and i look at reality and it gets rejected out of my brain.
Thanks
donkeydodo 7y ago
You have to accept yourself for every part of you; positive and negative sides. Denying any aspect of yourself Will create a shadow for yourself, that’ll act out in unexpected ways. Don’t get me wrong, this is extremely hard - but nothing good comes easy.
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Yeah, this stuff is important. It can open doors to other, interesting discussion.
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It's sort of like the Law Of Attraction. What you are, you will attract. Think you're ugly? You'll attract people who think you're ugly. Think you're too short? You'll attract women who think you're too short.
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I actually think this is why a lot of guys still fail after Red Pill. They inherently believe 'I'm not good enough, so I must act, imitate, pretend to be a Chad' What happens? You attract women who think you're fake, pretending, and ultimately not good enough.
Looks, money, status are all easy ways to raise SMV. They can often become trying to control things outside of you, to further control things outside of you.
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There isn't enough emphasis placed on how you see yourself INTERNALLY, your inner relationship with yourself...has fucking HUGE affect on SMV.
Women react to energy...internal beliefs and thoughts about yourself are energy. Make them positive and watch shit happen.
It ain't the motherfucker's nose that's helped him...it's his internal relationship with himself.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Exactly! Unfortunately all too many people here essentially deny this, saying I’m retarded and such; well, I know what’s working for me, so I’ll gladly spread my ideas in case there is someone out there who might find something useful about them!
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Dude...I can't agree more with you.
Like...I work with vulnerable people in recovery. If it was just about shit on the outside getting you more success in life, we would just teach everyone to dress better and lift.
Self esteem, self worth, energy, your vibe...is created within.
Some guys are just so attached to their beliefs, so attached to their thinking that they don't 'get it'.
I personally HATE the use of the word 'Chad'...and 'ALPHA', and a lot of the time 'red pill tactics'.
It can have the effect for guys with low self esteem, to believe they have to change who they are. Literally act, behave, pretend to be someone else.
They want to be Chad. Not themselves. It creates a limiting internal core belief and relationship with themselves. Women FEEL this...and either they go nowhere with them...or the guys end up with BPD fucktards. Red Pill becomes a mask, and women see beneath masks. That's why they shit test.
There is not much more attractive to a woman than a guy who just has that inner essence 'I'm the shit, just as I am'. It's the most attractive thing a guy can 'wear'.
It's all about internal core beliefs, limiting beliefs, messages, rules.
You're right on the money. It's tough, though, because not many have the time, freedom and 'space' that's needed to really address and understand the internal stuff.
donkeydodo 7y ago
I feel you 100%! I got this proven to me in a literal sense extremely hard yet convincing this weekend (the most beautiful yet unpleasant experience in my life)
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Lol. Universe always shows us what we need to learn, until we learn it.
Nice work.
Vikingcel 7y ago
Good to See someone with the same experience as OP.
Are you ugly?
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
No, I am often described as 'very cute', and handsome.
I see the point you are getting at, but it's not all about that. It is a limiting belief. To the guys who aren't as blessed genetically, you would be surprised if you really totally changed your belief system, the difference it makes.
I maybe ok looking, but when I was unhealthy, 'beta' and a nice guy, everything would fizzle out with women.
It's the internal beliefs and mindset change that's lead to more success.
Vikingcel 7y ago
The thing is, you're not ugly. You'll never know if the mindset that got you success could work for ugly lads.
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Maybe, I dunno. I have seen guys who you may consider ugly have success. For these guys, they didn't think so hard on their physical.
Physicality is going to play a part, though. It's interesting, though, why a lot of guys stay stuck and don't put in a lot of effort to improve physically...comes back to inherent core beliefs. They stay stuck because on some deeper level they want to stay stuck
ChrimsonChin988 7y ago
Btw OP, women are not inherently attracted to money. They love the comfort money can buy them. But to women, a loser with money is still a loser. Thinking that money will get you women will only turn you into an ATM.
A better way to look at it is looks + game. Game also includes things like power as people without 'game' will virtually never acquire power. Game is not just flirting with womyn, it's how you carry yourself, how you behave yourself in social settings etc. It's frame, confidence, social skills, pimp skills all in one.
You can be a good looking guy with money but with shit game you will still barely get laid and probably turned like I said, into an ATM. Game is something which is improved upon all throughout life and mainly takes experience. There are few people with 10/10 looks but even fewer with 10/10 game.
jacksonvilles 7y ago
Where's the link to original thread? I'm actually planning on getting a nose job as I think that's one of a few facial issues I have that means girls aren't attracted, so i'd love to hear his thoughts!
donkeydodo 7y ago
Post was removed, but if interested in the comments, look for the first comments that isn’t ”quarantined” (due to TRP), that’d be the thread
caralto 7y ago
Without reading your jumbo post, my first thought was be rich or fucker hookers (to gain super human confidence to see woman as vehicles for fun) lol.
I scroll a bit into your post and bam, money it is, knew it.
My other thought was fuck an ugly duckling but groom her into a hot babe per your choosing lol.
Thotwrecker 7y ago
The thing to always remember about women is that they do evaluate SMV, but they do it about as rationally and methodically as women do anything. Which is, not at all. They do try to suss out your SMV and evaluate it against their own and what they think they can get, but her evaluation isn't logical.
When I was fat I was fucking more than I am now, and girls would literally they thought I was buff and I shouldn't lose weight, and they liked me tummy, it was sexy, etc. Of course I knew they didn't actually think that, but they thought in that moment that they believed that.
This probably doesn't make sense to you unless you've experienced it, so just understand this: how well do women evaluate ANYTHING? Fucking terribly. They do their best, bless their hearts, but they really just don't do a good job. Plenty of low SMV dudes take advantage of this to get above their share of pussy. Plenty of rich good looking guys get way less pussy than they should. Plenty of girls will believe a high status guy is low status despite all evidence -- and then freak out when that guy fucks her friends, and then she'll turn around and fuck that guy and now she thinks he's hot.
It's all bullshit, because it's garbage in, garbage out. Don't worry about it.
If you're attractive overall, girls will generously fill in the blanks for you so they can think of themselves as dating a hot guy. They don't run a weighted average of your various stats like some sort of RPG stat sheet. Generally, after a fuck or two, they've reframed how they perceive your attractiveness so they can think of themselves as only giving the pussy up to an attractive guy.
If you're a superior being to her, and you happen to be ugly, she will hamster around it. And likewise, if you're a pathetic cunt of a man who happens to be pretty and muscular, she will literally see you as unattractive despite you being her physical type.
Now quit being incel bitches and moaning about how you need plastic surgery before you can go talk to girls. I will always respect PU more than the faggotry that this subreddit has become because PUAs inspired people to believe their looks didn't matter, and take immediate action. I did. Turns out, looks do matter, the PUAs were wrong. But they were right that you should believe looks dont matter. If you understand that, then you win.
Vikingcel 7y ago
Well, maybe YOU are not ugly.
It's easy to get good results when you're handsome and then jerk yourself off over how the ugly guys are just pussies who haven't tried.
Thotwrecker 7y ago
I am ugly, Indian, and at the time, I was 30-40 lbs overweight. Well-off, but not a high status or sexual career (software engineer).
Looks matter. I can tell you how much they matter. But, being a pussy in spirit is the ultimate vagina-dryer. Ugly people with low self esteem and no supplementary sources of SMV almost always have a bitchmade attitude. Conflating your bitchmade attitude with your looks is not helpful.
An ugly dude can go read like fucking David DeAngelo and get laid off that if they believe it. But, the trick is, 99.9% of ugly guys are incapable of self-generating their own confidence and swag, because they have bitchmade thoughts. It's very simple when you understand it. Yall make fun of PUAs, but I know tons of people myself included who got tons of ass off it. We didn't really have a secret weapon, but we thought we did -- that is the key.
Vikingcel 7y ago
I understand. I'm still waiting for OPs post on how to realize/convince/delude myself into thinking I'm hot shit. I might be way too hopeful.
I respect PUAs. It gets guys laid, that's great. As an ugly, low self-esteem, bitchmade thoughts guy who is very well aware about how much looks matter, I can't really go through 100s of rejections without getting my little fragile bitch soul crushed. And to be frank, I don't want to go through 100s of cold approach rejections to bang a HB6.
The ugly PUAs who got the balls to keep going still don't get laid left and right.
I really wish I could delude myself enough to brush off rejections as 'her loss' and then bee line to another prospect with a shit-eating grin and confidence unscathed. I might be too negative, I'm 90% through Manson's DGAF book and I'm still utterly unconvinced.
Thotwrecker 7y ago
I will tell you how I did it -- I was always very optimistic and positive about whatever progress I was making. Always took pride in my own actions (I approached, great fucking job, she gave me her number, superbowl win, woohoo, etc). That was how I thought because I was able to admit to myself that I was a little spergy fuck with an aggressive edge that repelled women. I was fucking psyched about the smallest of results, which step by step pieces together a self-image.
Basically, taking small actions and being psyched about a small result is critical. Let these moments build your self esteem. For example, I would use David DeAngelo cocky & funny lines and literally be like "jesus how do I come up with this hilarious shit, I made 2 girls laugh and call me an asshole at the same time, I am a fucking pimp."
Obviously, this was layered on top of my inner self-loathing and knowledge of my own losery-ness -- I was aware it was chodely to be this psyched on a minor result.
But over time I started to actually attribute successful minor and eventually major successes to my own "SMV" even though I didn't know the term at the time. Basically, I kept a very positive attitude about game and my results, and I never expected any lays for free. What I mean by that is I never expected kickback pussy from my pretty face or my ripped bod; I knew I would have to earn the lay with game, and take it away from a more deserving guy.
Was this attitude wrong and did it lead to problems? Sorta, yeah. But you can solve those problems after you have the ability to get pussy.
You're being cowardly and weakminded with this attitude "I don't want to go through 100s of approaches to get a HB6" and "I can't go through rejections without getting my little fragile bitch soul crushed."
You are assuming a negative result (tons of failure) and using fear of failure to dissaude you from a growth opportunity. I believed I had to get rejected 100 times, I just thought it was a nerdy guy rite of passage, and if that was the admission price, let's pay it.
Mark Manson talks about IDGAF, but you cannot have IDGAF mentality and also say my bitch soul will get crushed if I get rejected. You only GET awarded IDGAF after you approach and get rejected enough that you stop viewing it like it matters, and instead view it like a game. Cross your indifference threshold - eventually you become indifferent instead of butthurt and anxious and fragile. Getting your soul crushed 100 times is something we all went through, which is why we tend to think of incels as whiny bitches because we experienced the same rejection too, it just make us more deadened to rejection. Less sensitive instead of more sensitive.
The more you interact with women, the more you realize they are fucking retards, which means their rejection just means you pressed the wrong retard buttons. That's all. It's not a big deal.
You are negative, cowardly, sensitive, pessimistic, and ugly on top of that. You will need to be smarter, harder working, more charismatic, more risk-taking, more bold, and more ballsy than a normal guy, and you will need time and patience. You're basically trying to kill yourself and be reborn as a different person, so give it time.
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jacksonvilles 7y ago
Nice.
My feeling is that looks are super important. She needs to think you're handsome/hot. But the bit that never gets spoken about is that there is more variance than people realise, maybe? I'm ugly. I really want to get a nose job when I can afford it. But i've banged a few very hot girls from cold approach. I don't pat myself on the back for that though and think it was my 'game'. I tihnk it was that I just happened to be their phsyical 'type' (or at least close enough). And 'game' gave me the courage to shoot my shot!
Same as Tyler or any other 'non handsome' PUA who gets laid. I think it's basically 'numbers game'. Tyler approached more girls than almost anyone on planet earth lol. He was bound to find some hot girls who thought he was kinda good looking.
I work with a stunner who has the weirdest taste in guys! (what she considers handsome)
So yeah, I like the idea that PUA at least inspired people to approach because 'girls don't care about looks' even though it's not true at all!
PS, comment on my latest FR. I like input (won't let me link it :()
vandaalen 7y ago
While you are on the right track, it's alittle bit more complicated but also a little bit simpler.
SMV is not only looks, status money. There are other factors which can play for or against you.
i.E. setting influences your SMV. Just think about literally being the last man alive over-night. I bet your SMV would sky rocket.
Playing to a specific audience does affect your SMV as well. If you like to fuck rocker bimbos, being an accountant in a suit might not help you very much, even if you are rich, powerful and are good looking.
Perception is a powerful vector as well. You oftentimes do not actually need to have a high status. It just has to be percieved that way.
Which brings me to a last point you completely left out: Game.
Game has the ability to drastically change everything. You could be a 10/10 in all compartments, but still not get a single pussy, because your game sucks. On the other hand you could literally be a homeless bum and pull a different girl every night. I remember a guy who was a homeless (either really homeless or on a very extended trip) street musician and just pulled some pussy from the streets to have a place to sleep that very night - every fucking day.
Applied to my example above, you as an accountant could absolutely pull some dumb rocker bitch, if you have game.
After all people here have the tnedency to forget that women's sexuality function different from ours. She is looking for all the good feelings that having sex will give her. by that I don't mean the orgasm or the sensations, I mean how making sex with a valuable man (or what she believes to be a valuable man) makes her feel.
If you can play the right song on that fiddle, you can make up for basically every other thing people would regard as a flaw and red flag for you.
The_TRPThrowAway 7y ago
This - exactly. Game, looks, and wealth/power will all have an effect on whether or not you get laid, but running smooth game is probably the most important of the 3. You should always be working to improve all 3, and if you're dealt a shit card in the looks department you have all the more incentive to get some fucking Game.
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A muthfucka missing a foot can get a bitch - RIP Patrice O'Neal
donkeydodo 7y ago
I feel you; I agree to what you wrote. The sexual market is supply and demand; a 1/10 man would get laid if he was the last man on earth, because he would be the only one contending on the sexual hierarchy.
I agree with this, although I'd like to elaborate on the concept of perception a bit. Now, what are the main differences between PUA and TRP? Well, TRP tries to teach men authenticity, whereas PUA only teach men which strings to pull to get her into bed. I agree that in the realm of PUA, you don't need to have high status; you just want her to believe that is the case. You want her to believe that you are Chad, while in reality you might/might not be a Chad. If you're using PUA, you're probably only looking for sex and nothing else. In the realm of actually being a Chad, however, I believe perception requires something more than just a layer of magic on the surface. This is where I smudge perception and game together; the way I game, is by being authentic. I am real to myself, and to everyone I interact with. I don't care for shit if someone might get offended, because I shouldn't - this is what the perception of me is, I have made my game a part of my authenticity basically. This is what I mean with perception as well; you create your own reality. You decide completely for yourself who you want to be. If you try to "fake it 'til you make it", then you will be the fake who made it. If your decision is to be real, you will be real, and depending on how much you let people in, people might notice if you're fake or real because if you're fake outwards, you're also partly fake to yourself - and not staying true to yourself may give you loads of consequences, to both yourself and to others.
I left game out because in my head, I put it under the perception concept, but reading your text I realize game probably must be defined more clearly explicitly than expecting it to be understood implicitly.
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I do have some thoughts on Game though, perhaps I'll share them here one day as well!
Grosse_Messer 7y ago
I'd be very interested to see your thoughts on Game, this post really helped.
juiceperks 7y ago
Any good resources to learn game? It's talked about here a lot but there is rarely direct theory or instruction (like many other facets of TRP unfortunately)?
vandaalen 7y ago
I only listened to Mark Manson - Models. I like it. you can find it on audible.
Soon_As_I_Nut 7y ago
Am I off in thinking that circumstances ie. how is perceived by others in settings should also be factored in (I mean power I guess)?
donkeydodo 7y ago
You are correct, sort of; circumstances do affect how you’re perceived by others to an extent - but that is all relative to how you perceive yourself in said situations.
For example; when you are hanging out with your friends and you’re 100% confident, one new person most likely won’t affect you because other than the new person, your environment is ‘safe’, but flip it; if you’re the one new person in a group of unknown people, the odds are that you’ll be affected in some way (excitement, nervousity etc) by your emotions, and the more you have control over your emotions, the more you have control of the outcome of the situation.
davau 7y ago
Damn was this homeless guy really good looking or tall? Or just good game and frame?
JacobM00re 7y ago
He might be referring to this guy: https://youtu.be/bmav517MQJc
ZeppKfw 7y ago
I remember that guy. I thought he was referring to TheWeeknd. He used to be homeless too.
EvolvedVirus 7y ago
Homeless guys who pull women are tall or handsome. Additionally living on the street they talk to loads of people. Even if they don't look super-sharp, women can see their potential.
Let's not mislead some teens on here who might think "oh I just need to know how to spit game, I don't need to lose weight or get a job or make money.." You need all of the above, all of the time.
An attractive male is like a really good gourmet burger, but having money, conversation skills, and looks is the meat, cheese, and excellent bread. Without those main ingredients, you just have condiments, veggies, and enhancers.
Everyone loves caramelized onions, but they don't order caramelized onions alone.
Ya ever have pancakes without syrup motherfucker?
ManOfTheTimes 7y ago
I'm genuinely curious what kind of returns on pickup investment a man has in this situation once the neotony of youth has sharply faded away. I imagine your best returns would be from much less desirable women once the gray hairs and wrinkles start to show.
EvolvedVirus 7y ago
gray hairs is hot for women. Some men only start getting laid after their 30s.
ManOfTheTimes 7y ago
Depends on the girl. Post age 25, I would agree. Age 18-24 (aka the most desirable), I would definitely disagree; at least when referring to westernized women.
NorthOC 7y ago
Your source of referencing personal experience, related to the topic, is limited and invalid. Let me explain.
Ex1. (I am 6'5, 200 - 230 lbs (195cm, 95 - 105 kgs), and I'm literally perceived as a Viking. I have good genetics and I look good, I know it myself and others know it too.)
So you have advantegous height (static feature) compared to 97-99% of men and everybody knows that. This, in itself, is a reality created for you by genes, rather than yourself.
Furthermore, looking at Rasputin, the motherfucker was tall and if you do some personal field research (look up on tinder and ask girls: Would you ever date a dude that is your height or below?), you'll find that women still see height as one of the most important fact.
Now, you mentioned you have good genetics and that women found your fat attractive. Firstly, they did not cause that goes against hypergamy (fat is a dynamic feature and women want good genes until the wall hits) and fat guys who are tall with smooth faces get laid. Secondly, advantegous facial and body structure genetics (straight back, no body hair, height, etc.) play an important role in fucking (cause babies would inherit those traits). Again, this reality was created for you, you just didn't see it yet.
And you didn't see that because, while having good visible static features, you had low self-esteem related to fat. Even now, looking at your weight to height ratio, you aren't big. So I agree with your mindset shift, but that shift would never work for someone who has to rely on game rather than genes.
As the saying goes, a man's best years are in his 30s-40s and a woman's are in their 20's (Sidebar, iirc it was in one of Rollo's posts). But it is not the same for the 20% of men who fuck 80% of women. Why? Again, because genetics appeal to pre-wall women and men who don't have all that will ultimately struggle unless they approach 1000's of women and learn PUA techniques. No delusional reality mindset will ever change that.
Fin.
Tl:dr: Op this is bullshit and I would not recommend anyone looking at this as an example or a lesson.
donkeydodo 7y ago
True; I can't decide my genetics
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All this does in fact affect how women (people in general) view you indeed
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So you agree with my opinion after all; what I missed defining in my text was the importance of game - I dogmatically duped it under "status" - but my idea is fundamentally this; you roll the dice on the genetic game, and you can get something between 1 - 10. If you roll high on the genetic lottery, you will have an easier time getting girls, and you will be allowed some slack from your part towards how well you've cultivated your intellect (game, persona, identity, [Fill in the blank]). What it means if you roll a low dice on the genetic lottery, it's the opposite; you will have to compensate your looks with your sharp mind - and what the point of my post was, was that in order for you to become the strongest version of yourself, you will have to visualize it for yourself - belief in yourself, convince yourself of what you want to be in order to become that which you wish to be. That's it, it's more a motivational speech than a "TRP" topic per se I guess
NorthOC 7y ago
I agree with your opinion partially as it would work and has worked in your case and would also work for "guys who are not ugly but have mental blocks and blue pilled tendencies". If your post was about ugly people, it would be full on about game (approach 100's of women and use these techniques), frame (although it hurts, you have to be a rock), money (make cash cause women will see you as a potential long-term mate which you can then pump and dump) and discipline (work out as it makes you looks like you got your shit together and supports your frame). But it is not.
Edit: disciple - > discipline
donkeydodo 7y ago
I feel you! I’ll write another post on my thoughts on game soon enough
broek_325 7y ago
The amount of mental gymnastics in this and the asktrp sub is ridiculous.
The whole point of this place is to teach you fuckers to stop putting pussy on a pedestal and to stop seeking female validation. Yet you’re all trying your hardest to seek validation through whatever means you can.
“If I do X then HB8 will like me, and then I’m alpha and my life is complete”. Fuck off.
Whether women find you attractive or not should not concern you. All that should concern you is that you’re the best you can be, for yourself. Not for someone else.
Just go to the fucking gym, get some dress sense, do shit that genuinely makes you happy and (I mean this genuinely) get a life. You’ll be amazed at the results. Actual females may see that you have a life and become attracted to you!! Shock!!!
It’s really not so difficult.
chazthundergut 7y ago
Precisely.
"Am I pretty enough for a bitch?" Umm... you dont have to be pretty guys. And you are asking the wrong question. Sure, being handsome helps. But women like us for different reasons.
Look at the hottest women on the planet. Are they fucking men who are handsome, or men of gravity?
Standgrounding 7y ago
> “If I do X then HB8 will like me, and then I’m alpha and my life is complete”. Fuck off.
There's a Mark Manson article on how to retrograde that kind of mindset.
Yeah her body is HB8, but will you like her? Worry about that, not about whether will she like you.
She must the one to try and impress you, not vice versa. If she doesn't try, hard next and move on.
(And that's how you pull her into your frame)
That's one of the few things Red Pill doesn't openly tell y'all. Yeah, we know, "frame" it is called. But understanding frame should honestly be a (bro)science of it's own.
ChrimsonChin988 7y ago
"really not so difficult"
We both know this is not a philosophy you internalize in a few months. Most people never realize this and remain clueless all throughout their lives, ECs here took decades to reach the point you're talking about and it will still take years for people with the current information/knowledge that's available now.
If you genuinely fully internalized this philosophy it's odd you'd be telling people it's not so difficult. The steps are simple but the process is long and tedious, not easy.
First we watch others make mistakes and make mistakes ourselves before we learn.
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Vikingcel 7y ago
Spoken like a true ugly guy.
broek_325 7y ago
Brah I’m ugly as fuck. Got a big Iranian fuck off nose and a weak little chin. I’m not chad but I still get girls. Already losing my hair too.
You just have to stop being a whiny bitch and get on with life. There are ugly dudes everywhere with girls. If you’re an interesting, half decent human you won’t have too many issues provided you follow the core lessons from TRP.
It genuinely isn’t so difficult, but many men here make it difficult for themselves. I recommend the Jocko podcast for any of you who are looking to learn about how to attack life and generally not be a little bitch.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Now I don't know if you're ugly or not, but I'll take your word for it
The difference between you and those other ugly guys, is that you've "accepted" that you're "ugly" - which as led to you having the mentality that you don't give a fuck, which has led to you getting laid even though you're ugly. The others haven't accepted themselves, thus they cannot start working on themselves
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darksidessj25 7y ago
This is so fucking true! I just learned about presence and uncoupling your emotions from your words. It was a huge game changer. Being in a high vibrational state while talking to women will cause them to be attracted to you if you have all the other fundamentals down. This was the last step in Game for me which was the missing puzzle.
donkeydodo 7y ago
True. I suppose you dabble in psychedelics (you speak of vibrations) - most of my game actually stems from acid and just observing social situations at parties and such
darksidessj25 7y ago
I practiced meditation for 5 years and completly isolated myself with in the 4 walls of my room. The reason why acid or drugs work is because you aren't in your head while you talk to people and you just do. The technique that I practice has the same affect. You got to shut off the logical mind and get into the emotional one.
donkeydodo 7y ago
I feel you 100%
I've actually met a shaman that I've on several occasions connected with on a deeper plane - she has helped me see exactly what you speak of clearly.
darksidessj25 7y ago
Yep. It was game changing for me when I learned about it from RSDTyler. I got IOIs from an Asian girl the other day who worked at Star Bucks. I just free flowed and she stated to tell me what she was up to after work etc. I'm gonna go back probably Friday and get her name so I can get to know her more. Always bring good emotion when you talk to a girl man. That's what they want. I also got a 10 at work who I talk to, fuck I'm I got about 8-10 girls that are interested in me. I'm trying to get a rotation of hot ass Latinas and Asians. I never thought in a million years that I could get an Asian girl to be honest but now I'm like, oh that's cool. It's time to have fun and express myself.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Man, it is really interesting to read someone else's experiences when they're exactly what you experience haha. I feel you 100%!
About the free flow state; I've recently discovered how to open this up - I've learnt how to 'ping' people (I can get anyone to look at me if I want to, actually pretty interesting), I've learnt how to literally give certain vibes to people so that they give the same back and many more things.
darksidessj25 7y ago
Yea, it's super cool. Try using your vocal tonality to get out of your head and into the present moment. Chant the sound OM which causes you to switch off your logical mind and be present. Now switch to saying Hey, I'm blah blah without thought while focusing on the sound of your voice. The next step after that would be to uncouple your emotion from the context by putting yourself into a happy free flow state. I do this every time I talk to a girl hand her positive emotion. Girls start touching you, opening up to you and expressing themselves more. You can also use sensations that are present in the environment as well such as air. This gets you grounded and back to your original state.
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Just reading this now. But yeah, this stuff is the shit. High vibes, positive energy, on a spiritual level. I practice a ton of mindfulness meditation, to separate and create space from thoughts and accept all emotion.
Allow everything non-judgmentally until quite mind occurs, and the stream of confidence and high vibration that comes after thought.
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It's absolutely awesome. Changes the game, and life.
darksidessj25 7y ago
Yea it sure does dude. I fucking let me ego out today though when I was talking to this super pretty girl at work. I fucked up and felt anxiety for the first time in a while. I was so fucking pissed off at myself after cause it just didn't feel right you know. It wasn't congruent with my personality. Photography was ego based attachment and she sensed that just a bit but it's cool. I'm not going to use that any more. Then this weird thing started to happen in the right side of my chest almost felt like butterfly's flapping around. I know that sounds retarded as fuck but omg it felt so good. I can literally feel the vibes now and how certain thoughts words and actions affect you. The girl that I was talking to already courted me and we hardly get to talk. She's super fucking attractive. I mean really attractive. I can't let my ego get in the way of it. I'm doing daily exercises to were I am able to speak without thought or the ego telling me that it's not good enough. You gotta be congruent to who you are and speak with power and not force.
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Nah, I think I get you.
High vibes are great. Not many are in tune with how they're feeling, or when they are in high vibration.
For me, I could know all the game theory in the world...but the true time to approach/interact is when I am in high vibration and little thought.
INNASKILLZ2K18 7y ago
Just coming back to this quickly.
You can't beat yourself up for getting anxiety sometimes. That IS part of you. Saying it's not congruent with your personality, is saying your personify/self is limited to only 'positive emotions'.
You are the full breath and range of emotions. The key is to accept them, without judgement. Don't beat yourself up afterwards.
I can do that, too. Go along just cruising, really comfortable. Suddenly I talk to someone, or a woman, and I get that anxiety. I get pissed off, and think I have to change it.
It's not about changing it. It's noticing it, allowing it, accepting without judgement.
You can have moments when anxiety, nervousness etc come up, but you're cool with it.
Mindfulness meditation is AWESOME for this stuff. There is a technique called 'noting'. When we have unpleasant emotions, we simply note it 'oh, there is anxiety'. We create a little space where we see the emotion, instead of being ruled by it.
It's just a feeling. Acceptance, non-judgement.
It's very cool and it builds into everyday life. We come to know what emotions and thoughts come up for us, and get better at accepting them. 'Oh, there is just anxiety...oh, there is just doubt...oh, there is just fear'.
By doing so, we create a reality where others accept us for who we are.
xddm2653 7y ago
Finally a red pill post with some good, hardcore math
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Your equation sucks because you are implying a man needs to be 10/10 on all fronts to get a 10/10 in looks.
donkeydodo 7y ago
And you’ve completely misunderstood both the equation and what I meant! Re-read what I wrote, and answer to this comment for a further elaboration in case you still come to the same conclusion
f_ckupsomecommas 7y ago
Read the entire post, he carefully breaks everything down in a detailed manner.
donkeydodo 7y ago
People who do not want to listen do not want to be taught - some people have such a bad introspection that they can't accept the reality of their own actions/in-actions, thus they project outwards that the world is to blame for their weaknesses.
bright-morningstar 7y ago
You don't create your own reality in a way you think you do, it's just your Ego thinks it does when you feel good about yourself, it's an illusion. You created the habits that encourage the power and empowerment. And they changed your mindset, "you" didn't, the habits and routines did. But now you think you "consciously" created that mindset, that is bullshit. The causes created the effects. If you didn't read TRP, and started Lifting, would you stay say you're creating your own reality? Think again.
donkeydodo 7y ago
In my opinion and experience, you've got it all wrong; it's the opposite. It's the ego that says that you can't create your own reality, and it's your ego that denies the fact that you are the one to hold responsible for your own actions thus it's consequences. You create your own reality, in a way you DON'T think one does. The illusion is that you don't
bright-morningstar 7y ago
I don't know what you mean by Ego here because you seem to use it like an insider enemy or a part of that is not you? The definition and context is important. You're your Ego, it is your sense of Self. What I mean by Ego is I mean you, your thoughts and thinking. You think that you create your reality, but that is an illusion because you actually don't have the power over your mind as you think so. You have power, that is correct. But you can't just change reality by thinking about it. There needs to be appropiate "causes", for the example of guy with a big nose, if that guy had an operation and changed his nose, it would be a good cause for his Mind to change his self-image, so he would say now I feel good, or he would earn good money, have experiences with women, then he could only say "Oh so it's not my nose" but not solely with just thinking, because his experiences in the past proved him that his nose was a big deal in this stuff, Mind is not that stupid, it compares stuff to the past experiences. All I'm saying that you need causes and conditions to make you change your mindset like this, it doesn't mean you can't create the appropiate conditions, there's where Free Will and You Create Your Own Reality enters. It just means you don't get just sit and think I'm changing my reality with thinking. Your Ego thinks he did it all by itself, but the hormones, the discipline and routines makes you feel good and your mindset shifts with it, you don't sit an shift it consciously, you read something, you take it in and it shifts. If you didn't lift and read TRP, you also wouldn't know you could affect your mindset with the correct habits.
donkeydodo 7y ago
That's the thing; I don't consider myself being my ego - my ego is the defense mechanism I've put up around myself to not get hurt. To become yourself truly, one has to dissolve the ego - at least that's how I view it.
You are true about not creating the reality in one sense, but you have the power over reality in a sense in my experience and point of view.
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My thought stems from this sentence basically; Accept that which is in your grasp to control, and that which isn't. Accept that you can control what you can control, and cannot control what you cannot control, and you can suddenly control the outcome of certain situations
bright-morningstar 7y ago
Well the thing is you just label the parts of yourself you consider as not appropiate for growth as Ego, but they are also you, knowing that might reduce self-hatred and anger when things don't go the way you like. Our mind is like a Senate but there's no specific Ceaser in control, there are various Parties fightning for the control. What you do is you try to give more power to the Party you see as important and worth for your life, happiness and growth. And that is how men achieves the best version of himself, by cultivating the efficient Party for control. Like you're trying to do.
donkeydodo 7y ago
True enough I suppose, although one can control how much one's ego can control your behavior, e.g. if someone tries to pick a fight with you, your ego would tell you to fight him due to pride probably, but having your pride under control, i.e. your ego in the situation, you can act rational. I agree though that your ego actually is a part of you, therefore one shouldn't deny it, and one should also understand when to use the ego as one should understand when to not use the ego. This is essentially what 'dissolve the ego' means when I say it
lukesterboi1 7y ago
Saw a lardass with a girlfriend sitting in front of me in a theater recently. This guy was so fat his asscrack was hanging out. Now granted, she was fat too (both of them overflowed their theater seats), but if that fat guy's fat hairy ass can get some then there is at least 1 pussy for everyone on here. Guaranteed.
Schwaggaccino 7y ago
Good post. I'd replace status with perception or popularity as someone else already mentioned. Not sure if status is the best word but it comes down to how you view yourself, how others view you, your friends, your connections, your social skills, etc. Obviously money is the most important factor. We see plenty of old, fat billionaires pulling in 10s from all over the globe. The same can't be said about attractive studs but they do well in their own regard. Looks may fade with time but it doesn't happen with everyone (e.g. George Clooney). Create the image you want others to portray you as whether it's fact or fiction. At the end of the day, women are drawn to image (whether it's your looks, your money, or your perception). You need at least 1 to get your foot in the door and the ball rolling. 2/3 is enough to hold them down. 3 is ideal.
TwentyEighteen 7y ago
I agree that it’s important to have a positive mindset, but do not deny the reality that physical appearance is a huge factor in attractiveness (well supported by evolutionary biology).
The problem with your post is that you have conflated mindset and reality. You attempt to describe reality with mindset. It’s important to distinguish the two. We must realize that in REALITY physical appearance is an important factor, but in our MINDSET we must be confident in our appearance, regardless of our appearance. Just because a man has the mindset that he is physically attractive does not mean it’s true (although this mindset will make him more attractive, but it does not negate his physical unattractiveness)
This is a common problem on this sub: conflating mindset and reality. If you can accurately describe reality, then you can fix the flaws that you have. But you also must maintain a positive mindset. These two must be held separately because if you let your positive mindset attempt to describe reality, then you will fail to recognize your flaws and fix them. And if you let your description of reality negatively affect your mindset, then you will hinder your attractiveness
donkeydodo 7y ago
I disagree - your reality is your mindset. How you perceive your reality is your mindset. People might consider you ugly, but they won't show you that they think you're ugly unless you believe so yourself; for example, if you have a really ugly big hat, people will react to it depending on how well you wear it. If you think to yourself "I know this hat is ugly, but I love wearing it" and then wear it with pride, people will notice that the hat is ugly, but they won't think that it is ugly in the manner that you rock that ugly hat so bad that it is a logical part of you; you don't judge yourself for the hat, so the world don't judge you for the hat.
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I will only tell you this much; I've seen and experienced stuff I can't explain with words, that has affected me so deeply that it has brought me from depression to harmony. DM me if you want an elaboration on this, perhaps I can give you a hint towards how I can perceive the reality as I do :)
ComplexProjection 7y ago
I’ll use this opportunity to say the following precision: Using money and status to gain access to pussy is beta, not alpha (which is not wrong per se). I’ll write more on that later.
DamiensLust 7y ago
using status is beta? what planet are you on? the literal definition of alpha in the animal kingdom and thus in people is the male that uses their STATUS as leader of the group to have access to the females.
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SomaNoob 7y ago
I mean there's a big difference between assuming girls come to you because of any other shit that's not money, and knowing girls will come to you for money and using that as an advantage over them.
Nicolas0631 7y ago
Being beta is not using money and status to get pussy. Being beta is losing money and status to get pussy.
SuperCrazy07 7y ago
Poor Leonardo DiCaprio. So beta.
chazthundergut 7y ago
Lol. I use money and status to get pussy all the time. I love running beta game on chicks who see me as a potential provider.
I fuck those girls too.
Vikingcel 7y ago
Ah, I considered you a guy to look up to because I thought you somehow game your way to be the AF, despite being fat.
Aw.
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chazthundergut 7y ago
Of course I've "gamed my way to being AF."
But I'm hunting for pussy not ego. I dont give a shit if she thinks I'm AF or BB as long as those panties are coming off
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good_guy_submitter 7y ago
How to get laid if you're short, fat, and ugly.
Step 1. Hit the gym, stop being a fat piece of shit.
Step 2. Get swole, it makes your looks and height matter less.
Step 3. Approach.
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Nitsujsith 7y ago
This post reminded me of the book Psycho-cybernetics
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chazthundergut 7y ago
Can confirm.
For the record, my brother is a bald ginger with a giant beak nose that's been broken multiple times.
You wouldnt believe the amount and quality of pussy he gets.
You need to stop judging yourselves the way you judge women. Women like us for different reasons
incelinthirty 7y ago
You must be u/donkeydodo's alternate account.
jacksonvilles 7y ago
Cold approach? How would you describe his 'game'? His typical approach and general 'vibe' etc. Any pua comparisons?
I truly want to believe these types of stories, but i tend to think they're just bullshit every time I hear someone be like ''my friend has no arms and is 4ft tall at nearly 70, but he's always banging teenage models'' etc lol
In my own life with my own eyes, I don't think i've ever seen anything like your brothers situation, ESPECIALLY from cold approach so it's instinctively hard to believe.
Everyone I know who gets laid from cold approach are honestly all very handsome. (Or at the very least tall and muscly, but usually very handsome faces).
My wing is really handsome and for years, it's me getting mainly non stop rejected, whilst girls are just throwing themselves at him! haha
So yeah, would like to hear more!
ManOfTheTimes 7y ago
I think any guy with practiced tight game can pull from cold approach. Not RSD-style spam approaching necessarily but once your game is honed and you know your "target market" well, it's simply a matter of putting yourself in the right places to take advantage of opportunities. And, no, if your objective SMV is 6, you won't be pulling 7s or 8s routinely without some sort of niche game or elevated situational status.
chazthundergut 7y ago
My brother doesnt do cold approach.
He lives a very active and adventurous lifestyle. Backpacking, rock climbing, kayaking, etc. All of his game is passive and based on who he is as a man and his fun lifestyle.
He is also a naturally dominant man. Very direct, doesnt shy away from conflict, a little prone to anger. Naturally takes charge in a situation, and has the competence to back it up.
He is 5'10 and as I said a bad ginger with a giant beak nose that's been broken multiple times. Trust me when I say that he does not get pussy from his looks.
Basically my brother just lives an awesome lifestyle, and attractive women just get pulled into his orbit and want to be part of it and earn his approval.
I've shared many adventures out in the wild with my brother. And many times I've watched my brother emerge his tent in the morning, this bald beak-nose ginger, closely followed by some beautiful woman who goes to make him coffee and breakfast while my brother pours over his maps.
You need to realize that women are attracted to different things than we are. Yes, they prefer good looking guys. But whereas a woman's SMV is determined primarily by her looks, men have the advantage of being able to become "10's" via other means. Such as money, lifestyle, status, masculine behavior, etc
donkeydodo 7y ago
Exactly. People in denial of this are the ones berating the value of this post tbh
greenlittleman 7y ago
Do you know what part of this is bs? Your calculations. If guy is 10/10 in looks, but 0/10 in money and status he wouldn't be perceive as average of it, because before having sex with a girl she don't even know your money situation or social status, in fact it is how it should be. I would say what it is about perceived status, i.e. if you are dominant with a girl and act as cool guy then in her mind you have high status. And money doesn't matter at all if girl look for DNA material, i.e. someone attractive to have fun with.. So your whole premise contradicts to reality (I could link some real life studies what prove what being dominant, competitive and muscular are ways to get laid while being rich doesn't help at all unless you want to find hooker, money digger or wife). I would say what you are perceived by women based on your highest stats. If you are 10/10 in looks then they will ignore your other setbacks, they no longer matter. Same if you are 10/10 in dominance or in money. Just all of this will attract different types of women. But if you are 7/10 in looks, money and status you wouldn't have as much success as any of those guys who are 10/10 in one attribute.
On the other hand I completely agree with your main message, to the point of not understanding how some guys can consider what they aren't worthy some pussy. Don't you people know what your own personal reality is created by your brain? You are you, just this fact should make you MOST IMPORTANT person in your own life. You are protagonist of your own life. Fuck, you can't even know for sure if anyone other than you real, maybe in fact you are in some type of game and everyone else are NPCs. You can't know for sure if anyone else have conscious and awareness. But what you can know for sure is what your subjective reality can't exist without YOU. If you die your world will disappear together with you. I can't understand anyone who isn't arrogant or narcissistic about himself to some extent. It is just doesn't make sense to me. How anyone else could be more important than you?
donkeydodo 7y ago
As someone mentioned earlier, I left out the concept of game completely; if I would have defined more clearly the concept of game (which I didn't even at all), I believe my calculations would have appeared a bit more congruent with your thoughts, because I can see what you mean, but to me, you missed a bit of the message (although you already have the message, just in explained another manner).
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Other than that, I agree with your thoughts completely!
Brutal13 7y ago
Solzhenitsyn’s references = thumbs up.
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cakefmateus 7y ago
The advice I give, and I think is the point of this post is: be better at other areas where you can control the results. You can be ugly but that doesn't mean you should be out of shape, dress poorly, have a bad haircut. You should also get more money and pursue a better status.
Don't let one thing define every area of yourself, this happens all the time with short guys as well. Being short has shit to do with other areas in your life, by using one or two weakness of yours as a reason to not be better in other areas is a dumb thing to do.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Exactly. I noticed that some people let this message vine through their ears; probably due to shadow psychology - they deny this for themselves because they are not ready to accept that the consequences they live with are entirely their own faults.
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wine_vs_milk 7y ago
This is absolutely backwards. Everyone who graduated high school can learn a well-paid skill and make money. Money is the factor that is "entirely" under your control. Looks (for a man, the biggest factors are height and jawline) depends mostly on genetics (a tall man can get away with dressing like a slob), and status literally depends on the opinions of other people.
ChrimsonChin988 7y ago
Truth is somewhere in the middle. If you have an IQ below 100 (half the fucking population) odds that you'll ever be a millionaire are small as fuck. Maybe if you become a pro athlete or something like that but you'll NEVER become rich by working for someone else with an IQ that low and the chances of setting up a successful business are insanely small as well. You will still be able to make a decent living if you approach it in a smart way but by no means wealthy.
As for looks, yes how your face looks is mainly genetics, but just about anybody can get a good physique when putting in effort.
But to say the money factor is entirely under your control is a load of bull. Even for the super rich, one of the main differences between someone with 10 million or 100 million or 1 billion is right time right place (luck) and not necessarily effort or IQ.
Standgrounding 7y ago
And opinions of other people depend on your own personal integrity(dress sense, discipline, gym, representativity and all that shit).
So, everything is "entirely" under your control.
wine_vs_milk 7y ago
False. Counterexample: No amount of "dress sense" or "representativity" (not a word) is going to get a black man accepted at a Klan rally.
Standgrounding 7y ago
That is even more under your control because you wouldn't choose Klan rally if you're black.
Edit - if you are willing to participate in KKK as a black person, you are 100% retarded and you are setting yourself up.
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TwentyEighteen 7y ago
Yup OP is a fucking idiot. There are some things that can be done about looks. Exercise, jaw surgery, etc. But the reality is that your looks are mostly set in stone by your genetics: height, facial proportions, etc. And for an ugly man to get laid, he must make up for his ugly ness by excelling in other areas. It’s not impossible for him, but it’s definitely an uphill battle.
greenlittleman 7y ago
He just forgot what not everyone born 6'5 Viking, lol.
SomaNoob 7y ago
This.
I mean, yeah. Money gets you goldiggers which you'll be able to just toss aside once they get too cocky.
But, be serious about this, how many "high status" men exist that are lower than a 5 in looks.
Looks count. Ugly guys have it harder. That's the truth, and the real advice is: just deal with it. You can get better at some things, but you'll never stop being ugly. So you either cry about it or just stop caring about it.
Also I honestly believe that for a man to be lower than a 5 genetics should be reaaaally shitty. You'll always have your niche girls who want a skinny guy, a short guy, or a guy who looks off (not ugly, just weird). So yeah.
Nicolas0631 7y ago
Most actually. Status, you acquire it with time by accumulating money, power, and growing your circle of influence. And time is the most violant attack on your look.
Typical example are the politician, most are ugly and most are high status.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Funny thing is most of ya'll arguing against me actually agree with me, but you haven't understood what I meant completely lol
SomaNoob 7y ago
We understand what the message is. Doesn't mean you expressed it clearly. Learn from your mistakes.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Agreed - I could have expressed myself better and I can see how in many aspects now while arguing in the comment section and learning from what a lot of you people communicate to me!
Edit; also, you've missed the message, partly at least - but that is to blame on me and no other
SomaNoob 7y ago
I mean, you keep telling people around here that we "missed the message".
I'll tell you something that I read. This kind of mental gymnastics are ridiculous. I can feel you enjoy over analyzing stuff just like a lot of people (myself included). And no one will stop you from doing so.
But sometimes it's better to stick to the "just be a better guy than yesterday" and let everything just flow. Over analyzing is fun until it gets too ridiculous. This isn't the most over the top text I have read around here (trp has way, way worse cases of mental gymnastics) but yeah, not a big deal.
P. S: as an unpopular opinion, sharing your thoughts here is stupid because half the community is stupid, really stupid. They have big arguments about the subreddit being quarantined and I agree it is unfair but with these attitudes it ain't no surprise. We get it, you all are DUDES, you don't need to act like a dick everywhere on the internet lol.
And excuse me if I'm a little offensive/aggressive. The mood from the community tends to stick with you. Be sure to leave reddit aside everyday and just come and re-read some theory every once in a while. Good luck bro.
donkeydodo 7y ago
So, you agree with my message yet you proclaim I'm an idiot?
TheConditionedMale 7y ago
In regards to looks you can get a tan, dress better, and workout. Even a guy who is short and small can improve his looks (any guy can do this).
In regards to status if you are a cool social guy then you can easily raise your status. I've seen too many short guys even one of these guys being Asian (probably Asian American) who have higher status due to how they hold themselves.
So even if you are a short guy who builds a ton of muscle you will still be low status if when people look at you they know you are a bitch mentally. You can see it in their eyes & mannerisms. Either way I've seen too many short small guys killing it to believe that you can't do something about it.
The only difference is that it takes more work. Which is why most short small guys won't have the same results as other short small guys (and too many of you small fuckers have Napoleon syndrome you insecure fucks).
incelinthirty 7y ago
You've seen short girls killing it with shorter girls, not with girls their own height or taller than them.
TheConditionedMale 7y ago
I was talking about short guys killing it with women their height/taller than them. The Asian guy had boots on and his white girl was slouching and that made them the same height (give or take she may have still been slightly taller despite slouching and him wearing boots).
When I've been with women who are my exact height, or slightly taller (haven't been with any super tall chicks) they usually make themselves look smaller around me (sometimes by slouching).
SekcEskimo 7y ago
I’m new here, but as an Asian American, I have to ask. Is it a general consensus in this community that Asians have a harder time getting laid?
TheConditionedMale 7y ago
Generally guys in this community (and also other manosphere communities) usually view being a different race makes it hard to get laid. So it's implied that if you are white (sometimes black) you are in a better position. [I've been seeing less posts using race as an excuse, so maybe they've moved past this?]
I don't fully buy into it I believe that most guys who use "I'm Indian, I'm Asian, I'm (enter race/excuse here)" are bullshitting themselves. Any race can get laid, and get laid a lot.
I only mentioned it since it's usually rare to see an Asian guy with a cute white girl (or at least from what I've seen).
I would suggest to not get caught up in race it's only an excuse. There are Asian guys who are virgins in college and will remain virgins out of college. There are also Asians who kill it with women of all races.
ManOfTheTimes 7y ago
In short, yes. Most likely, your background permits you much fewer mistakes while gaming and you'll have to work harder than would another, more preferred ethnic group. Carving out some sort of niche would pay dividends however.
tries_to_tri 7y ago
"The soul becomes dyed with the color of its thoughts."
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HotHead121 7y ago
Shit this is true and i can see difrent behavior when i change my mindset
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Vikingcel 7y ago
There is a big difference between being actually attractive yet cucking yourself by being insecure and being unattractive yet 'cucking yourself by being insecure'.
I was attractive but insecure and didn't get laid -> I got laid once I stopped being insecure -> ugly guys don't get laid because they are insecure
That's a very flawed thought process.
It's easy to not be insecure about your looks when you're attractive and people react positively to you. You didn't 'create your own reality' you just awakened to actual reality. There's a reason why these kind of viewpoints come from men like you (Oh, I was a little fat and insecure about that.) and not from ugly, short, indians.
By the way, Rasputin wasn't ugly. He was a 6'5 lad with all round robust bone structure (everyone thought he was yuge) and a big schlong who just had a scruffy beard. Just look at this ugly fuck. Right?
donkeydodo 7y ago
Mate, re-reading this text after I’ve seen how you look , I can see how my text probably should have hit your home base better than it did; your thought process if anything is EXACTLY what I had for myself, and it’s my literal point how to change it. Idgaf if you have 50 upvotes on this comment, you’ve proven yourself wrong by proving how you look, thus you should re-read my text with newly opened eyes
Vikingcel 7y ago
I told you I wish I had your mindset. Regardless of how attractive any guy is, your kind of mindset will be good for them as long as they truly believe, even if it may be delusional.
You should write a guide on 'shadow work' or however else you actually changed your viewpoint.
donkeydodo 7y ago
I feel you homie!
Wish granted, I’ll write and post it when I have time!
Vikingcel 7y ago
Thanks, man.
I have been reading up on shadow work today. Just finished trying an 'internal dialogue' with an archetype. No idea what I'm doing. I'm clueless.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Interesting! Keep exploring yourself, it can only do good! I’ll try to post the shadow thread soon enough
donkeydodo 7y ago
Both yes and no. There is a difference, given the premise that you don't control your reality. If you do control your reality, you will fuck women even though you're ugly. Denying the fact that you can fuck, because you're ugly, implies that you can't fuck because you're ugly - and THAT is a very flawed thought process.
Looks are more conditioned than genetical. That is why men tend to wake up at times, thinking "what is this monster that lies next to me" - women have essentially become so good in deceiving men about how they actually look that we don't even perceive them ugly. Women deceive themselves about their ugliness to the degree that they find themselves attractive - thus becomes attractive. It's first when we can think rationally about someone's looks that we can rate them from a 1 - 10. When we're in effect of our emotions, we don't rationally rate people 1 - 10, which is why we can wake up next to people we believed to be more attractive than what they actually are. Emotions aren't rational, so stop trying to rationalize emotions. Doesn't matter if you're ugly or not, the trick is to play on the emotions, not on the logic of your non-symmetrical genetics. By doing so, you're only digging your own grave. Understand what women actually want, and don't imagine what they don't want.
I don't think either Rasputin nor Charles Manson are especially attractive, but since emotions aren't rational, the attraction isn't rational so I don't judge.
If I as a woman were to think logically about how attractive Rasputin is, I would logically deny him sex. His looks were most likely not the prime nor the sole reason as to why someone would fuck him.
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As mentioned in the text; genetics will only and I repeat, ONLY cut you some slack when it comes to the sexual market. In the end, your looks don't matter that much even if you perceive it to do so.
Vikingcel 7y ago
You are not a woman, you have no clue how they judge looks and the fact that you consider Rasputin to be ugly and Manson to not be particularly attractive just shows that you really have no clue when it comes to telling what is attractive in general.
You are still overlooking the fact that it's your good looks in the first place that permitted you to believe in this 'create your own reality' mumbo jumbo.
Writing a guide on 'getting laid as an ugly guy' while you're an attractive guy yourself is just laughable. Nobody should take advice on going from homeless to rich by someone who comes from the lower middle-class and won a lottery either.
donkeydodo 7y ago
I've seen ugly people get laid. Proclaiming you can't get pussy because you're ugly is nothing but a bad mindset - you choose how to live your reality, and if one wants to give up on hunting pussy due to the fact "I'm so ugly I can't get pussy", that is up to you and I don't judge. Rationalize all you want, in the end the only one who suffers are you yourself
Vikingcel 7y ago
I'm ugly, but I'm not a cuck. I want to get laid on my own terms, ie., have a chick come over, fuck her and then kick her out because I want to relax. I don't want a fat HB3 girlfriend that will give me a half assed blowjob for every two dinner dates I take her out for. That's after I 'nice guy' woo her for several months. That's how the ugly guys get laid.
Maybe you should get one of your ugly guy bros to write a guide on how to get laid. That'd be more useful.
sadomasochrist 7y ago
Play around in the fetish scene and pretend to care about women. Probably the only way you can go that far without getting shredded and dealing blow if you're legit "ugly."
If you're just "not pretty" then you're fine.
Vikingcel 7y ago
I look like Sid from the Ice Age. It'd be very funny if it wasn't me.
There's just no way I'd bend the knee and pretend something just to get a whiff of pussy. It's a depressing, emasculating ordeal. I'd rather fuck hookers. I already know a really nice one.
I dream of the day when we can get this sub to be legit redpilled and quit pushing the 'game über alles' meme. As is, getting redpilled means going from 'one day your Disney princess will appear' to 'you can do anything if you just lift, bro'.
sadomasochrist 7y ago
I agree with you and this was part of my incel post.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Well, how do you get laid if you're ugly? Genuine question :)
Edit; If I were to answer my own question, it'd be because you have game and perceive yourself worthy of fucking whatever you fuck - confirming my post (at least according to the message I tried to get through)
Vikingcel 7y ago
You swallow your pride and play the beta guy game on sub-par women. There is an archived post by u/sadomasochrist with a guide on beta-serial-monogamist game for the bottom of the barrel men.
Getting laid when you're attractive is a different game than getting laid when you're unattractive. You have no experience with the latter and any theory you come up with is essentially worthless.
donkeydodo 7y ago
I don't argue that, and I never did. I just told how one as an ugly person can up your game, that's all - my message is essentially that you should believe in yourself, and I can't see how that'd be wrong to tell to anyone.
I believe YOU are swallowing your pride, that you might not have gotten the game down completely, and when I write what I write, you say to yourself that you have tried what I tell that you should try, but you feel as if you haven't successfully been able to get what you want by doing essentially what I gave the tip to do. You have instead in your own belief, found another way to accomplish what you seek to attain, which most likely is more or less is the same thing in the long run - there are a many roads that lead to Rome. Just because there is something you experience doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for someone else, alternatively it can mean that something that interpret in one way is interpreted in another way by someone else. From what I've seen in the comment section of this thread, there are more people that agree rather than disagree with my thoughts; yet again, it seems to me as if it is you who don't swallow your pride, and not I.
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As mentioned, I agree 100% that it is a different game, being ugly vs not. That doesn't imply there isn't common generalities that both groups can use of, e.g. believing in yourself, don't giving a fuck what others think etc.
Dakstradamus 7y ago
Quit wasting time arguing with this dense, self hating pussy
Vikingcel 7y ago
I don't hate myself, I only hate you. You're the sole reason why I don't get my dick wet.
You damn prick.
donkeydodo 7y ago
While I do understand your POV, honestly I want to help people; it might sound cliche and arrogant, believing "I have the answers" but the thing is when there is something I actually can help people with, I do like to try and even more to succeed - arguing with this guy, might help him see to the extent that he can realize something; he might not admit it to me, but in the long run I might have helped making the world a bit more loving because I can help people understand themselves :)
Vikingcel 7y ago
There is a big difference between believing in yourself and what your post is saying.
According to your post I could theoretically go out right now and land a threesome with two model chicks, if only I believed in myself and thought I was worthy. If that's possible or not I leave for you to answer. Will be an insight to what you actually believe.
The 'swallowing pride' was my example of how ugly guys get laid, which you asked for.
Yes, a ton of guys agree with you, because they are in the same boat as you. They are above average, maybe average looking and their beliefs are their source of frame. The whole 'looks don't matter' is just a thing that gets guys off their asses instead of lamenting at home and because most guys aren't actually ugly, it works out for them. I know a fellow incel who looks like the ethnic version of Chris Hemsworth, is swole af, but short. For some reason he's an incel. The 'looks don't matter' works for guys like him. I even made askTRP posts, asking who here is ugly and slays. Everyone who answered that looks don't matter wasn't ugly.
You have no idea how much I wish you were right. It'd be fucking great, man. I wish I believed looks don't matter, believed I'm worthy of cum'n'dumping models and had such a solid frame that nobody could talk me out of it etc., but I can't, especially when there's so much evidence that looks do in fact matter a lot. I'm not sheltered, I go outside, yet I don't see the fabled ugly guys with hot chicks. There's no 'believe in X' switch I can flip.
Even though I wish you were right, you don't convince me at all.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Yes and that is exactly what I mean. I can tell you this; you most likely have decent game - you proclaim yourself to be ugly, yet you have sex, at least you make it seem as if you've had. Therefore, I believe that you could 100% have a threesome, given the right conditions; you only have to look for them, aim for them and see them through.
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Fair enough, then you never disagreed with me from the start even if you perceived yourself to do so - I didn't express it clearly enough obviously. The point of my text was essentially "how you perceive yourself, i.e. if you accept that you're ugly or don't, essentially denying it, affects your success rate in how much sex you can attain"
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Even though you proclaim to be ugly, I'm having a hard time believing that you're that ugly. How would you rate your looks on a 1 - 10, and would you care to provide a proof out of pure curiosity?
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Mate, I swear on my left nut that I could guarantee you a threesome with two models if you took MDMA, if you couldn't succeed doing it alone DM me and we can hook up some time and I'll get you a threesome while you're on MDMA
cpotpie1 7y ago
I agree with the statement "you create your own reality". A lot of times I wear what others would consider ridiculous clothing. For example, I've showed up to social functions with a bright yellow and orange construction hat on. I thought it was fun and I enjoyed wearing it. It wasn't about what other people were going to think. Next thing you know, others are complimenting me on my hat, asking where I got it.
I also made a style out of waking up in the morning and putting on mismatched clothing, often bright with clashing colors (not to say I don't know how to wear nice clothes that match). Had a friend say to me one day "Bro, you piss me off. You wear clothes that don't match and make it work. You always look so good. I can't do something like that."
Because I felt like I looked good, OTHERS thought I looked good.
Life is what you make out of it, so why be making dog shit when you can be making that sweet sweet lemonade?
donkeydodo 7y ago
Exactly, this is entirely what I mean! You decide for yourself if the clothes you wear is ugly, matching or whatever. Fuck what people think - it's what you think that actually matters (for yourself)
f_ckupsomecommas 7y ago
I agree with the lifting part so much, and I can easily see why it’s encouraged here all the time. By being muscular, I feel as though you allow yourself to be seen in a more sexually dimorphic way to women, if that makes sense. When you’re a skinny fat slob addicted to video games, you obviously won’t look attractive to most women. As much as “gymcelling” is made fun of on most forums, I certainly do think that gaining muscle and losing fat is nothing but a positive way to improve your SMV.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Exactly! When you start to lift, you're actually more changing the way you perceive yourself rather than you actually changing all too concretely while starting to lift. Think about it; if you've lifted 3 months, there is a slight difference in your physique. Depending on your fat percentage, people will notice more or less the change in your physique. However, what people will notice is your change in the physique to the extent that you have noticed the change; when you've lifted 3 months, you notice that your biceps has grown a bit, that your pecs has grown a bit and suddenly you feel proud of yourself, because you're starting to look sexy. You believe you look sexy, because you're reaching the point in which according to your own belief, you think that this is what women thinks is sexy. And because you perceive yourself sexy because of this, the world can see your confidence, and because of that the world confirms it. You become sexy, because you believe yourself to be sexy - you create your own reality.
f_ckupsomecommas 7y ago
Yeah, there’s something to be said about the mental fortitude that you create by being under a heavy bar. For example, I almost nutted the first time I benched 225 (not literally, but I can see what Arnold means now). Two months later, I can rep it out for 6-7 reps, and although it might not seem like much, I feel so manly being able to lift a weight that I know most people can’t handle. Also, building muscle and strength gives you a sense of accomplishment, which is a surefire way to boost your inner confidence.
SuperCrazy07 7y ago
I agree. And, it’s not just lifting, but lifting heavy.
I’ve been lifting for 10 years....but the first 8.5 were just for exercise and because it’s fun. For all those years, I was probably 50/50 on sex/bj or jacking off.
I’ve been lifting heavy for a year and a half now. I rarely masterbate (like 90/10). Whenever I get horny, which is often, I pretty much don’t take no for an answer because I want to cum in a girl.
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donkeydodo 7y ago
I would like to link the majority of Pornhub, but I'm not sure linking porn here is tolerated
incelinthirty 7y ago
Dude, I am not a sadist but I am really enjoying you being cornered. People featured on Pornhub are paid actors. If you can't figure that out after writing an awfully lengthy post, I doubt your motivation to post here.
inittowinit777 7y ago
Dude’s a fucking idiot tbh
incelinthirty 7y ago
He thinks the 5'2 bald indian janitor can somehow become a 6'5 blond blue eyed viking simply by believing it. This sort of believe-and-it-will-become-real horseshit has always been aimed at women; they needed the assurance that they can bag a high value man at 35 after riding the carousel all their prime years. Now this horseshit is catered to men as well. Honestly, TRP was once a goldmine of valuable advice for men of all ages, but now it is full of dense people like u/donkeydodo and the quality of posts has been seriously deteriorating.
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Vikingcel 7y ago
They definitely aren't ugly, but a lot of them aren't good looking. Regular guys, just with big dicks.
_ramu_ 7y ago
Sometimes, I wish that guys like you would experience a year of being ~30 cm shorter. Good fucking luck with "perceiving yourself as if there are no other human alive with the same SMV as you". Height is a major part of SMV, people who don't have any fucking clue about height, because they aren't short, would never admit it - it just doesn't exist in their world.
NotBlameTruth 7y ago
If I were 30cm shorter I'd be a midget. I'm 5'9 on a good day. Height really doesn't matter unless the girl is taller than you.
bemore_ 7y ago
I've yet to see an ugly guy overcome his looks using his mind in real life. Therefore it is written that if a man can achieve this state, his karma is complete and he is not reincarnated. I'm just kidding.. but really, "reality" is heavily projected onto the ugly guy, his psyche is obliterated before he's 21. What guys usually do is compensate for their looks
To simplify, guys can normally meet women within 2 "points" of their own "rating", in looks. Being a "6" is probably the lowest you can be before things get a lot more difficult than they could be because you can reach for an "8" with natural levels of effort and if you can reach for an "8", there's not too much in the way of you being with the most wanted women
An ugly guy is a "3", borderline "4". Rarely do these guys make the jump, rarely do they create reality. They would have to go through unnatural levels of effort just to reach women that are "7's". To reach an "8", they would essentially have to become a different person, like a completely new self image, very rare. If your looks are 2, you're pretty much gonna be paying to be around the most wanted women or your status will cash your checks. For an average "2", their dream will be to be with a cute girl, a 6
donkeydodo 7y ago
I see your points, and I agree - the ugly guy has a harder time to fuck hotter girls than a hot guy. I have seen ugly guys fuck hot girls though, so it's all about the game in the end
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bemore_ 7y ago
Yeah hot women are not elite humans, we don't measure ourselves by who hot girls choose to sleep with. My measurements are a guys ability to keep the women in his life because awalt. I've yet to see an ugly guy have attractive women in his life with abundance via his mind
incelinthirty 7y ago
We do. A man walking on the street holding hands with his hot girlfriend will make all the heads turn. He will attract envy and adulation from all other guys.
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Vikingcel 7y ago
And by what do masculine men measure themselves?
I'm genuinely curious.
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Vikingcel 7y ago
And what are your own internal standards?
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Vikingcel 7y ago
You are really avoiding this only because your 'internal values' are based on things that are external.
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Pusikur 7y ago
U ugly fuckers just do Mewing it changed my face u fuckers
vandaalen 7y ago
Looks like it also affected your intellect.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Random question perhaps, but what do you think of this post? Am I completely off, or is there something to what I wrote?
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vandaalen 7y ago
I was just about to post a comment.
donkeydodo 7y ago
Allrighty, sorry for my impatience!
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Vikingcel 7y ago
Tldr He faked being secure and got success because he's attractive. The success made him confident.
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donkeydodo 7y ago
The easy way out - how much have you learned by doing so?
TwentyEighteen 7y ago
Why do you have to learn? Improving physical appearance is a great way to boost SMV
donkeydodo 7y ago
Well, that's from my POV I suppose; would you rather be ignorant and blissful, or knowing and concerned? Something tells me that you somewhere likes the idea of knowledge, because otherwise you wouldn't be on TRP
Username673306 7y ago
Easy? Really? Mewing ain't easy
donkeydodo 7y ago
Easier than accepting the fact that your SMV is in fact very possible to change without changing your physical appearance.
Username673306 7y ago
I see. Your post makes a lot of sense after I checked out your profile and saw pics of you when you were fat and you looked kinda bad then tbh even when you said you were "attractive". But then again the advice you just gave tells us to not think of ourselves as unattractive. This post shows that you stay true to your words and now everything you said makes complete sense to me somehow... Lol that's just my two cents btw
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muscleg33k 7y ago
I wouldn’t bang her if she had sex with ugly men in the past. I’d slut shame her.
donkeydodo 7y ago
To me, this seems to be a projection to the extent that you're uncertain whether you're actually attractive or not; if a girl has fucked only ugly men in the past, and you are next in the line, would that say anything about you? Not necessarily, but that's the problem circulating in your mind (I believe)
hemlock35 7y ago
Thank you dr. Freud, wanna give us a half-baked equation to help oversimplify this too?
donkeydodo 7y ago
Haha I actually laughed at this