Essay
https://therationalmale.com/2019/06/27/paternity-promiscuity-poly/
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Excerpt
“Poly” Lifestyles are being socially reinforced to facilitate women’s sexual strategies
Men’s drive for paternity is more difficult to sublimate in Alpha men than Beta men. In Promiscuity Tim Birkhead details the innate drives male animals have with respect to ensuring their own paternity:
The issue of paternity is at the core of much of men’s behavior – and for good evolutionary reasons. In our primeval past men who invested in children which were not their own would, on average, have left fewer descendants than those who reared only their own genetic offspring. As a consequence men were, and continue to be, preoccupied with paternity and this has shaped not only many male behaviors but, perhaps surprisingly, some female behaviors as well. The most obvious way in which men’s preoccupation with paternity manifests itself is in jealousy – watching a partner and keeping her away from potential competitors.Promiscuity, Tim Birkhead pg. 33-34
In my counseling I have had to deal with the constant of jealousy in every man I’ve talked to about a breakup or divorce.
“Rollo, why can’t I get the thought of her fucking another guy out of my head? The thought makes me physically sick.”
There is a physical aspect to jealousy for men and particularly so for deeply pair-bonded Beta men whose sexual strategy it is to invest more fully into one partner due to a scarcity mentality (see strategic pluralism theory). When I talked about men committing suicide in Zeroed Out I should’ve stressed the importance that mate guarding and jealousy play in a man’s physical condition when he’s had his ‘soulmate’ leave him for another man.
There are two latent purposes in men evolving a capacity for this physical distress – fomenting parental investment and ensuring paternity via mate guarding. Why is it that men take so much longer to get over a woman than women for men? For women the War Brides theory explains this neatly, but for men the long physical disconnection comes from our innate drive to ensure paternity and the confirmation of mate loss to a rival male. This is the degree of preoccupation with paternity Birkhead describes above – it is so existentially important men evolved physical manifestation for it.

BastaHR 6y ago
Men earn women, women don't earn men.
SmilingWatermelon 6y ago
Well said.
Women are born with value. Men must earn value.
_Tactleneck_ 6y ago
I feel lucky that I never wanted kids, because it seems like so much more struggle to deal with finding the right woman to raise your child with, in addition to figuring out who the hell you are. I respect you guys for figuring out how to do both.
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Pick a traditional family oriented country and marry someone from there.... any country with low divorce rates.... so just not a western country, this rules out most first world countries including the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
Feminism and family values are in direct conflict, it is what it is.
red_matrix 6y ago
Social media is so widespread now it’s unescapable. Women all over the world are dialed into the global sexual marketplace. Tech killed monogamy.
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irradiated_toaster 6y ago
Its called cuckholdary, and it means you are a degenerate.
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xoxuv 6y ago
The main question for a single mother searching for financial support, is why the biological father is not financially supporting that child? He has legal obligation, so that woman has chosen to not get the money from him.
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Either she can't identify the father, because she fucked too many different dudes, or she chose to fuck a man with no chance of making enough money to bother.
Yakatonker 6y ago
The core thing I can agree with is "social engineering". Social media and "mating/hookup" apps are not randomized happen stance. The controllers which there are mediate the terms and the outcomes from these basic "digital skinner boxes". They have in their power to amplify or greatly diminish the effects of human behaviour in a given market, especially including reproduction. The government has always been obsessive with control in this aspect.
The war on men and boys is not insular to women, but heavily sponsored by the state itself. So much so the "shadow government" is creating an entirely new designation in social branding to cater to these feminized, reproductive losers, even going so far as to offer these rejects a Eugenics out of the genetic pool. The so called "trans-agenda" is just one massive sterilization campaign for the reproductively weak men in society, or those heavily affected by androgenic poisons that are being put there with malicious of forethought. Basic example being birth control is not filtered out of our municipal water supplies, thus a biological feminization of men is occurring. "Soy boy" meme is quite real as soy down regulates and blocks androgen receptors, it also doesn't molest the estrogen receptors while providing a boost in estrone.
This genocidal war by the real plutocracy has many inputs, polygamy is merely one of many tools to produce an army of bastards by single mothers susceptible to government re-education camp propaganda.
MedinaPharma 6y ago
So should I always buy bottled water?
red_matrix 6y ago
If it’s bottled in glass. The problem is most water comes from the city running in plastic pipes underground. You really can’t avoid it anymore - we are changing. Men born today have less than half the testosterone men did 100 years ago.
_ramu_ 6y ago
Nah, plastic makes the friggin frogs gay.
Yakatonker 6y ago
Ideally no, you'd want a stainless steel or other solution to avoid it.
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PythonInterp 6y ago
It's possible to do poly from the superior or inferior position. Rollo's essay is all about doing it from the inferior position. Guys doing it from the superior position want to maintain chicks in their soft harem while continuing to fuck around.
Smart guys today are NEVER going to take care of a child without the DNA test.
This is really a mountain out of a molehill and missing a key part of the analysis.
cupshadow 6y ago
That's just spinning plates and while I do see the point from The Red Quest, that's just not the reality of most guys.
These "poly" relationships are a way for the woman to get security from her beta boyfriend while screening the market for alpha guys, so it's a win-win for her, both sides of hypergamy satisfied in one take. They make the guy rationalize something about love, pull the equality card (men can do it too) and exploit his lack of options, saying he can be with other girls but knowing that is not going to happen.
It was one of these that led me to trauma, depression and eventually brought me to TRP.
red_matrix 6y ago
It’s illegal to test for paternity in some European countries. Being a cuck is already being woven into western civilization.
RivenHalf 6y ago
I've been doing a lot of theory work and linking it to red pill lately and I've been heavily focused on the sunk cost fallacy and Pavlovian theory and yet I hadn't yet made the link to Skinner Boxes and Operant conditioning. So many holes I've been pandering on have just been filled, thank you for that. Operant conditioning explains so much on where we are and how we got there right now and even how we're either going to stay here on change. I've be musing heavily on this over the weekend. I feel like there's so much to explore there. Reward, dopamine, social conditioning, it's all linked in there.
Yakatonker 6y ago
Video games offer a window into the cutting edge of data analytics and user manipulation, especially mobile gaming.
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Source: Interview with Scopely co-founder - FASCINATING!
Right off the bat (a) data analytics is the core of a game, understanding its users (b) games are now being modified to groom pay "whales" (c) almost all games have loot box, gambling mechanics to play on dopamine and to time the periodicity for increased user engagement in a given platform (d) most importantly we see this trending with "live services", cosmetics, and game modifiers(acceleration) for those willing to pay up(whales).
In terms of tinder there are lots of ways to game the user. The subscription services offer men a "pay to win" service for "better results", including giving users their attraction percentile within a given environment. Of the publicly released data dumps, it unsurprisingly shows the inherent curves for hypergamous activity on the platform, it also allows low status males greater numerical advantage in playing the field for a reproductive advantage. Though arguably the value mediated in this platform is inferior to that which is advocated here.
In terms of overall effects of "reproductive gaming", the macro effects are still being studied. I know in particular to Facebook, the founders ban their own families from using it, because facebook increases depression, homosexuality, and other social degenerative disorders, because the platform elicits jealousy as a methodology to incite user participation. Its an extremely negative transaction which is accrued by the user.
If you have any data within this, always feel free to contact me. Its a particular hobby of mine to read into.
j_arbuckle2012 6y ago
Holy fuck dude.
Turn off the X-files re-runs.
ryandiy 6y ago
Talking about delusional conspiracies of elite control gets you upvotes around here. No need for evidence.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Disagree. It is happenstance. Dating apps aren’t part of some puppeteered master plan dude. It’s just the disruptive effects of technology. Everything you’re saying— birth control in the water, dating apps, etc — this is all emergent and not planned by some central devious entity.
Yakatonker 6y ago
This is not an informed statement whatsoever, it also ignores the ruling plutocratic power structure which is kind of obvious in the United States. The internet, mobile "Smart Devices" were not created and dispersed as a "naturalistic free market solution". Rather these necessary and instrumental, data analytical tools where developed by and for the reigning plutocracy to meter the problem of world governance on a macro scale. In the West alone there are only a handful of companies who collate the lions share of biometric, real time user data from smart phones and "smart devices". Of all of those companies, namely Google has an extremely incestuous history with US intelligence agencies. This also ignores the fact the internet itself owes its existence to DARPA.
In terms of US intelligence agencies themselves, they're not accountable to the US congress and thus the American people. Some institutions such as the CIA created numerous corporations of their own to facilitate their operations without congressional oversight. This is made overtly obvious in the Church Committee Report of 1975 which highlighted CIA operations during the war in Vietnam. Other projects of note such as MKULTRA were also completely without any congressional oversight, however their operations were managed by a key select few within the real power structure of American plutocracy, specific to the CIA reference Allan Dulles. A ruling power that is not divided by the pseudo "left vs right" carnival for the ignorant masses.
In terms of modern data analytics, CEO of MasterCard called data the new "black gold". Unsurprisingly data analytics is fast becoming the foundation of any user platform on the internet. Its created a spectacular shit show in the realm of escapism, that being gaming for users. Companies are employing numerous Skinner base concepts such as gambling to addict and prolong user engagement in their platforms. Western governments are also trying to employ "gamification". A system originally built for the Chinese government by Western corporations, who have a long history of developing surveillance systems for the Communist regime.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Gonna have to disagree with you there buddy. I don’t like your interpretation of the data. Just because the government now uses the data from all this shit to track certain metrics (I don’t deny that), doesn’t mean cellphones were invented for that purpose. That’s obvious conspiracist thinking. The world isn’t puppeteered like that dude. More often the government just co opts and takes advantage of things which emerge. Google I can understand having a deeper relationship w gov. But largely what we see today was unforeseeable and has just been opportunistically used.
Yakatonker 6y ago
Does the US global empire have a monopoly on military force? Check. What about a global economic monopoly?
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Thus the "petro dollar" was born and the endless excursions into the Middle East began, as a means to control the global supply of energy, additionally to base the value of the USD onto another tangible collateral.
The second thing to note was that after World War II, Europe was a ruin, Asia Pacific was also another massive ruin, chunk of Russia took heavy damage and the US was essentially in a primed position to supply both the financial loans and economic produce to rebuild large swaths of these countries. South Korea and Japan served as basic vassal states of the US Empire until recently, Japan still being locked by some of the features of the US drawn constitution in their own country. But I guess no ever teaches those little inconvenient points in history. Or the fact that US history texts in general are riddled with total inaccuracies and fallacies.
The obvious things they don't teach you in your government re-education classes. The US in particular has had global economic hegemony over the world for more then a half century, this includes utilizing this controlled economic architecture to wage economic warfare against non-compliant nations.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Ok I don’t disagree with any of that. I’m fully aware the US has been running a military-financial empire. In fact I don’t even believe that’s inherently wrong, although it’s certainly soured and become a fucked up system doomed to fail eventually. But what does this all have to do with our prior disagreement?
RivenHalf 6y ago
Did you even watch the video? Social media creators haven't never denied their agenda is literally to get you addicted and they even explain how they do it and you honest believe there isn't some bigger beast pulling those strings behind the scenes, not even bothering to hide? Wake up.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
They design it to get you addicted, yes. But it’s a profit motive driven thing. They want to collect and sell clicks and ads. I also agree that social media’s power is now being used to push the lefty agenda, but my point is that this stuff wasn’t designed from the outset for all this. It’s emergent. And then Silicon Valley uptalkers insert their political bias.
monsieurhire2 6y ago
Profit is about them surviving at your expense. They know EXACTLY what they are doing.
monsieurhire2 6y ago
The convenient thing about impersonal "disruptive" effects theory, or any other impersonal forces theory, is that there is no easy obvious target for the put-upon masses to sue, lynch, or otherwise deal with. It's all just mysterious forces at work! Go back to sleep!
Another analogy would be cows in a field. Everything is fine. Until they are a taken on a truck to a slaughterhouse cleverly designed not to arouse too much anxiety. It's a maze of passages they enter single file, and then one by one, their lives are snuffed out, and their bodies are stripped apart and sold at a profit for various uses.
That's what civilization is like, except some people become more conscious of it, wake up to it, and then try to either escape, or become one of the slaughterers, or even owners of cattle.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Look dude, now that this social media power structure is in place, I agree that the left uses it for its power motives. I’m well aware of how all the different arms of leftist power operate. All I’m saying is that this stuff wasn’t mapped out in the 90s at the beginning of the internet.
red_matrix 6y ago
It doesn’t matter how this started out - what matters is the now, and that tech is being weaponized against the masses.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Well it does matter to this argument cuz he was saying this was engineered from the beginning of the internet. Which I find patently absurd.
Everyone already agrees that tech is being used as a power mechanism of the leftist orthodoxy.
red_matrix 6y ago
The internet was funded heavily by the government so it’s not surprising they had plans to use it down the road however they wanted. Either way - it’s being used as a weapon, and maybe that was their intent all along. Google was also made possible with government money. See a trend yet?
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
That’s conspiracist thinking. Technology and innovation has always been something the government has funded. It’s a societal asset. That doesn’t imply the government knew from the outset it was gonna wage this information warfare. In fact it’s the precise opposite. In the 90s and early 00s there was still this naive tech optimism about the internet freeing up information and everything. Not in the dissident sense. But in the naive 90s “everything is gonna keep getting better and better from now on” sense. Plus we weren’t in such a state of narrative warfare back then. The left hadn’t morphed into its insane current form. They really only started doing this information warfare stuff in the last few years under trump as they’ve gradually lost control of the public narrative. And it’s not even government, it’s libtard techie uptalkers. This suppression is an emergent thing to deal with the challenges to the leftoid orthodoxy narrative as it’s become more and more cuckoo. No one could even really foresee the internet in its current form with social media and everything back in the 90s.
red_matrix 6y ago
Nah man, the media has been programming people for decades. The power of the internet got Obama elected and they saw it as a good as it worked out for progressives and Silicon Valley. In 2016 when it got Trump elected, they saw it as a failure and they have been panicking ever since.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Well sure the media has always been programming people but not in the full blown information warfare/censorship/gaslighting way as of late. Of course those in power will always use what they can to spin things how they want. But I just don’t think the internet was planned out as a more effective/comprehensive tool for that purpose. It was the opposite— the internet was thought that it was gonna free up information. But then of course politics got super divided and it’s come to be used in this narrative warfare to gaslight people.
As an aside, it’s fucking crazy man, I was just reading an article in the NYT about the Dem debates and was looking at all the libtards in the comments section. They live in an alternate reality. Some of the things they have actually fucking gaslit themselves into believing is incredible.
monsieurhire2 6y ago
Eh, if any "leftists" have power, it's as corporate stooges. I certainly consider all the college academic leftists to be corporate stooges. If they were actually a threat, they wouldn't have jobs.
Rich people actually like to spread "leftism," because it is often akin to economic illiteracy. So then you have all these college graduates running around working for paltry wages thinking they can somehow change the system as debt-saddled wage slaves.
I have never seen a leftist institution that isn't somehow serving private power. I even think that the capitalists were propping up the Soviet Union to see if it would be a better exploitation model, and I'm pretty sure they keep a few small, toothless "alternatives" around to "prove" anything other than oligarch controlled pseudo-democratic fascist crony capitalism will fail miserably. I mean, North Korea shouldn't even exist anymore, but if they wrap it up, they'll have to let another one pop up somewhere.
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organicfluxx 6y ago
Yep, would you also agree that all the movements that divide the working class (feminism turning women against men, racism turning working people of different background against one another) are also part of the divide and conquor strategy of the elite.
They can't control technology but they sure can control narratives and social condition via the schooling system.
monsieurhire2 6y ago
Yes, yes, and yes. I once was in a class, and I tried to make the point that all the oppressed groups should unite because they all had their oppression in common, and many of the people in the class got REALLY angry, because in their minds, THEIR oppression was unique, special, etc. and therefore they had special victim rights over other victims. To me, as someone who can pass as the oppressor class, and who has family on all sides of the divides, from a historical perspective, it seems so blatantly obvious to me, that all of the people are being pitted against each other, in school, in the work-place, in life. It's all a competition. It's true that life has competitive aspects: not every guy will get to procreate with the woman of his dreams, and that's really a huge bone of contention, actually, perhaps the ultimate one, but most people don't seem that conscious of the stakes they are playing for, and what is driving them. They actually develop REAL hatreds for people they don't see as being human because of some minor difference, and then all of their pent-up rage and frustration is focused at people that have nothing to do with the real causes.
From the elite perspective, they are basically sheep-herders and slaughterers. When times are good and easy because of plenty and a bounty, they herd the sheep, fleece them, breed them, and put them to work in other ways. When times are hard because of scarcity, they shrug their shoulders and slaughter the sheep so there are less sheep until the grass regrows. It's nothing personal. If one method doesn't work, another will do. In the past, it was war. In the present, it's a kind of passive-aggressive war.
The social, economic, and political system is designed for maximum flexibility for the elites, with constraints on the subjects. This way, they are free to do what they perceive has to be done without any of the lesser people interfering.
So, rather than have a war, they just make it more expensive for people to procreate. This can be as obvious as creating artificial scarcities, or as subtle as brainwashing people into having unrealistic relationship expectations.
And if they lose control in some realm, nature will just intervene, and they will manage the crisis. Population refuses to go fight in a war? Shrug, well, we'll just let the crops fail and starve them to death. Guys won't wife up a post-wall slut? Fine, we'll just bachelor tax them. Because they are rich, they can buy all the time they need to think, plan, deliberate, and act. Everyone else is working just to stay afloat. The time gives them the clarity everyone else lacks. And for their rivals, meaning the newly rich or up and coming, they have disinformation through the various media to cloud people's judgment.
Yakatonker 6y ago
Crude as this analogy is, the system is the matrix. Even those of low intellectual stock are starting to see some semblance of walls being erected to funnel wealth and control away from the people in a concerted fashion. Yet they do not understand the how or why? Because they either fear to ask the very question and explore it, or they're just plainly of low intellectual stock.
In terms of comprehension of the thing, of a global government, its institutions most people don't know fuck all. Government re-education camps do not exist to make people individual, critical self aware thinkers, but to hammer those rare people into line with the full force of the social strata on them. Human social behaviour is regressive, violently so and people are more then willing to defend this shit as ass system if they perceive themselves having value within it, which most do. In order to break into these topics with "normal people" its basically a lesson in hand holding and spoon feeding, and an excess of patience for the illiterate mockery from really stupid motherfuckers.
In terms of the complexity and operations of this system, it's impossible to explain outright to people who're alien to the concept of the thing. It took me years of private research to just get a basic comprehensive grasp. This includes trying to filter away the false histories and develop an analytical methodology to assess the value of information from a given system, given the amount of data pollution which is there on purpose.
If there is one boon in this world to understanding this system, its economics hands down. Anyone wishing for a solid head start should read the "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith, and start expanding from there. Reproduction which is taught here in TRP is incredibly invaluable as well in understanding real human behaviour. But unfortunately its just another small piece of a massive macro social economic puzzle, that a person will have to compile of their own accord.
monsieurhire2 6y ago
Wealth of Nations is instrumental for understanding how and why class war skews to capitalists, as they can always starve out the laboring classes who don't have surpluses and stockpiles, or rather, who would have to muster force to take control of them.
You are absolutely right about having to do insane amounts of private research to make any sense of anything. And even then, so much is locked away in private libraries, and one only has so much time.
And of course, there is the think outside a box, discover you are in another box issue, and all of chaff out there, even in the "alternative" or "counter-cultural" arena.
organicfluxx 6y ago
Brilliant.
I also think it is by design to let a few of the "sheep" to escape and save themselves in order not to try and lead some kind of revolution.
I think the elites are fine with pick up artists fucking a few hot girls or a few nomadic capitalists opting out of the 9-5 just because these people have the intelligence to do more harm if they are motivated to fight against the elites.
nobody_thinks 6y ago
This "more secure in his masculinity" trope is a feminist inversion of the concubine's femininity.
In patriarchal harems, the concubines were highly feminine and strove to please their king. From what I gather, and to the ire of feminists worldwide, these were happy women. Their hypergamous imperative had been satisfied. They were the pampered plaything of the land's most powerful man.
Within every woman is the hindbrain desire to be the concubine of a powerful king. These concubines are not angry with their king - they accept his dominance and behold his power with awe. They don't complain about the king. They catfight with each other over the king's attention. That is femininity. To accept the dominance of the most powerful man and to catfight with the competition over his attention.
In clown world, the gender roles have been reversed. Just as an Egyptian concubine would have been told to accept her feminine role if she ever got mouthy about the king's right to be promiscuous, so today the beta male is told to accept his "masculine" role if he ever gets mouthy about the "queen's" right to be promiscuous.
Only there is no part of the male hindbrain that is satisfied by this inversion. In fact, as Rollo points out, there is a specific part of his hindbrain that experiences disgust, revulsion and anger at this inversion. Ultimately, the reason for this goes back to one of Heartiste's imperatives about cheap sperm and expensive eggs. You cannot just invert biology where there is no symmetry and expect stability. This is why the current system is fundamentally unstable.
nobody_thinks 6y ago
Note that eunuchs were employed to attend the harem. This step was taken, presumably, to avoid the other side of female sexual strategy, which is to sexually manipulate the beta male doorman into doing her bidding. If this wasn't a real threat to the stability of the harem, or even the kingdom, such a severe step would not have been taken.
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NASCARnormie 6y ago
According to this post paternity is very important and the idea of a woman sleeping with another causes visceral disgust. However according to this post a month prior you are good friends and support the work of Jack Murphy a man who thinks cuckolding is alpha.
So here you are lambasting cuckolding while endorsing the work of a man who supports being cuckolded.
I think the Red Pill deserves a Rational Male explanation.
red_matrix 6y ago
Is that you “Dream”? I see you’re still trying to drag down Rollo.
Pussyshack 6y ago
Cuckolding IS Alpha.
As long as you're the Bull that is......
red_matrix 6y ago
That’s just spinning plates...
Auvergnat 6y ago
Did you even read the post you linked?
He brought up Jack Murphy’s tweet specifically to point out that Jack disagrees with him, and then went on to use said disagreeing tweet to bolster his (Rollo’s) opinion.
He started with “Jack knows I love him but...” which is the most obvious way to tell someone you are friend with that you disagree with him in a polite manner.
Bro you know I love you but you’re being a bit of a dick on purpose here. I’ve got many friends who are married and that doesn’t prevent me from thinking they’re completely misguided.
It is so obvious that Rollo brings up Jack and AJA in this post to politely disagree with them as a way to reduce the current tension with former collaborators, that it makes you guys and your current vendetta look like petty schoolgirls politics. Drop it.
BillyRedRocks 6y ago
Talking to them is like talking to the TV. If you want them to quit their bullshit you have to talk to GLO and we know how that will go.
Vikingcel 6y ago
I have a feeling that if the obvious alt accounts got IP banned, GLO himself would suddenly disappear.
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RedForEducation 6y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/c5dqsv/rules_clarification/
BillyRedRocks 6y ago
If he was endorsing cuckolds he would still be part of the 21 convention but all of that is lost on you. You're literally incapable of benefitting from this community.
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In your opinion what is the best way to benefit from a guy who sometimes endorses cuckolds and sometimes disavows them?
BillyRedRocks 6y ago
"Rollo man BAD!"
Okay, I understand now. Good luck with your narcissism.
Auvergnat 6y ago
You guys are dense. Show me any extract of Rollo’s blog or video where he says something along the lines of “I endorse cuckoldry” or “I think cuckoldry is ok/good/justified”. I’ll be waiting.
You know they’re none. You know very well he professionally associated with a range of people with not fully overlapping ideas, as a necessary evil to get work done. You’re smart enough to understand that when he finally realised that the overlap was not sufficient to sustain his mission, and that he could not steer the organisation back in the right direction, he split. You even know already that this specific issue is the one that finally pushed Rollo to split.
You know it all but you don’t care, because your mission is only to put down someone in whichever way that works. What you’re doing is intellectually-shallow attempts at “smearing by association” - a favorite tactic of SJWs (see, I know how to use it too).
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
I find this whole issue of cucking over the last few years genuinely hilarious.
organicfluxx 6y ago
I generally agree with you but rollo didn't split from them, he was fired.
red_matrix 6y ago
Rollo was carrying that group and they didn’t want to hear the truth. He’s better off on his own - half those guys are dipshit loser snake oil salesman (Dream and ModernDating are prime chucks).
NigBicDigger 6y ago
I think the main concern is that multiple members of the convention had had articles out for a long time specifically about cuckoldry, nail painting, etc. Like in the memes there were 2 or 3 different members. Elliot Hulse said some transgender nonsense. This was all publicly posted and yet the Red Pill members of the convention still supported them for months.
Personally I dont think plausible deniability applies here and this is the heart of the issue.
red_matrix 6y ago
Rollo has never endorsed any of the cuck nonsense
NigBicDigger 6y ago
Hi my name is red matrix because I pretend to be red pill but operate within the matrix where Rollo can do no wrong. I am emotionally unable to address any concerns about Rollo. Rollo is the goddaddy of the matrix... whoops I meant to say Rollo is the godfather of Red Pill
red_matrix 6y ago
Maybe prove it rather than spam this sub.
If Rollo has endorsed being a cuck then prove it (no one has). Show me the link.
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