I have seen some recent posts about "discretion" and also had personal discussions with male friends recently that seem to just emphasize tact, discretion, manners, whatever you want to call it, but what actually means is "treat women as if there are no Alpha Widows" or that being an "Alpha Widow is desirable to men." You should not do this. You should create Alpha Widows!
Example 1: Like the recent post from a woman in AITA about kicking a guy out for not wanting to use a condom. A commenter said something along the lines of "any guy who tries to not use a condom I immediately kick out and ghost."
Do you know what that really means? She's having sex with lots of guys who think they don't have to use a condom, or, more likely, she already has let a lot of guys raw dog it, and is now calming her hamster by 1) conveniently forgetting she did that historically; and 2) making herself feel that it is a bold, independent-woman thing to in the future now that she is widowed and/or hit the wall.
What does this mean to you: you should be hooking up with girls who are reluctant to let you not wear a condom, but do anyways. I know I have.
I'm not condoning this, obviously - wrap it up - but you get my point. This doesn't mean slutty girls, this means girl that are in your frame.
Example 2: I made a comment on a TRP post today about slapping a plate on her ass at the beach. One commenter said "no bitch would ever allow this."
You shouldn't be able to call a plate a "bitch" if you actually think that. I did it to two plates on the same trip last summer! Those plates have since fallen, as they all do, and I'm sure in their new Alpha Widow status they'll be less cool about that going forward. And the next low-SMV guy who tries to get even a little freaky with them will get put in the "creepy" category for even attempting it. Sucks bro. I'm sure you can hold her hand at the $300 dinner you're taking her to later.
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So, you're not afraid to birth a few Alpha Widows now. How do you find girls that aren't yet Alpha Widows:
- Get off apps / day game
- Skew younger (just statistics)
- Set your sights less on "hot girls at the bar" and more "girls at the library or in town for an internship"
- Up your social proof by trying to meet more creative / interesting people through family, mutual friends, etc. and attend events with them. Hell, invite yourself and bring a gift! Meet quality girls there
- Attend networking events related to your career field (but not so close as to cause trouble)
- Attend more weddings, engagement parties, etc. than you might normally go to
- Don't be afraid to slip your number to cute girls working at art galleries, museums, the bookstore, and these sorts of places. This has a low hit rate, but has resulted in a few plates for me.
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In summary, don't be afraid to seek out non-Alpha Widows and turn them into Alpha Widows. It's the circle of life. Don't feel bad for being a man. If you're successful, you'll see some pretty, perky, bright-eyed girls turn darker, cry to you, beg you to see them more, and then end up with Chad Lite. It sucks, but you got there first, and being first is all that matters.

MCFiletMignon 6y ago
Leave her better than you found her
NYCSPARKLE 6y ago
I appreciate the sentiment, honestly. And I know it’s TRP side bar mantra, but it’s just not realistic.
Let’s think about the possible scenarios for a plate-type relationship ending:
she breaks up with you for something negative (e.g. you cheated on her) - obviously you didn’t leave her better than you found her
you break up with her for something negative (e.g. she cheats on you) - she obliviously didn’t become better from being with you, so doesn’t apply
you break up with her because you’re just not feeling it - she will be sad and angry at you, and may have improved somewhat, but she will hamster away your relationship by talking shit about you etc. (this is not anger, just the truth). You Alpha widowed her which is what I’m saying above is totally fine (different than encouraging it)
she breaks up with you because she’s just not feeling it - she just made YOU the “alpha widower” and I can assure you she doesn’t care
DDzxy 6y ago
I don't like creating alpha widows, it's just not my thing. I'd rather not having women texting me years after years over a 1 night stint.
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Im probably just really dumb, but this post is extremely confusing to me
cinnamonsneeze 6y ago
I don't like creating alpha widows, it is why I triple think if I get involved with girls to the point where I shit test them to find out if they have LTR potential. I've had girls in my past that I alpha widowed, to this day they are texting me even if they are in relationships.
It hurts them and it hurts me seeing it. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that it is cool or fun to have this on your consciousness. Having alpha widows in your past is almost unavoidable if you are working on yourself and improving your life. That does not mean that it should be a goal of yours to create them.
THOT_Analytica 6y ago
Now argue about this without an appeal to morality. Objectively creating alpha widows offers you unlimited plate material, it would be in your interest not to do it.
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NYCSPARKLE 6y ago
It’s an indirect goal. If you plate a girl and she doesn’t become an LTR, she is in theory an Alpha Widow.
LordFa9 6y ago
I get what you are trying to say. But it is skewed and probably those who havent been in the situation wont understand.
If you plate a girl and get her to invest in you, then one day you say "well i got a better deal elsewhere/too many red flags here" and end it, or the plate drops because she tried a monkey branch that ultimately failed then you made an alpha widow
Making them is i guess a byproduct of your ability to be an alpha guy and incite these kinds of feelings in a woman is a personal skillset that you should not be ashamed of
Making it some kind of KPI to see how many AWs you can make in a year? Now thats douchy
cinnamonsneeze 6y ago
No, it is an indirect casualty. Its like saying hitting a pedestrian is an indirect goal of driving a car.
If your (indirect) goal is to hurt people, I'd say you should grow out of the anger phase.
NYCSPARKLE 6y ago
Not suggesting hurting anyone. I’m saying it’s the “circle of life”
That is the whole point of my post.
Not doing you / being your natural self because of potential hurt feelings is not “being in the anger phase” at all. It’s being Blue Pill.
A better analogy would be not driving your car because it might cause too much pollution, and then complaining about not being able to get around.
cinnamonsneeze 6y ago
I am taking offense with doing what you want and living with the risk of creating an alpha widow. Saying that it is your indirect goal is the shitty part.
No. I am not saying to stop driving. I am saying you should accept the risk of hitting a pedestrian as a possibility. You go one step further and say it is an indirect goal to hit a pedestrian.
That is where your mindset is unhealthy.
THOT_Analytica 6y ago
He is saying it does not matter if he hits a pedestrian as as he can hit and run. Basically it's just a pump&dump strategy.
womans_algorithm 6y ago
And here i thought circle of life means having a family and kids to pass on your genes. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/6884/Circle+of+life
Now i know it's about breaking women's capability to bond with men. Thanks!
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Some men just want to watch the world burn, huh?
FereallyRed 6y ago
Two issues with this post that are just sand in the vaseline for me.
First, the entire idea of creating Alpha widows as a goal is missing the journey but ending up at the same endpoint.
Creating AW's is a byproduct.
Stay in your frame. Be her best, absolutely. But be her best not as a performance, nor a high beta plowhorse, these both stink of external validation seeking aka dancing monkey syndrome.
Be her best because you are the best. You are a self actualized attractive man. You're the shit. You know this. That's enough. You don't have to go around proving yourself, intentionally leaving a wake of broken women behind you. You're simply piloting your ship. Will there be "casualties"? Sure. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. Breaking eggs is not the point.
I think this is the point you're trying to make but it doesn't come across clearly.
Second, your examples are massively vanilla.
The condom thing is just slightly inane. STD and pregnancy protection if you're not monogamous is an absolute, not a shit test of any kind. It's your job as a man to be in control of the contraception. Might even be an Iron Rule or something.
Ass Slapping? Really? That shit doesn't even register on my meter. If you're anywhere near a dominant personality, a swat on the butt is just part of the ante.
Have her wear a buttplug out to a fancy restaurant.
Have her masturbate as you watch her from a chair, fully clothed, at the foot of the bed.
Have her blow you during an afternoon movie under the projection booth.
Have her ask you if she's allowed to cum.
Have her beg you to cum on her face, porno style.
Do these things because you enjoy them, you like the intimacy and the domination, the interplay and the tease. Allow her to be sexual with you without judgement or prejudice. Be assertive, let her know what you want. Be the guy who she tells her girlfriends about.
But above all do it for yourself.
NYCSPARKLE 6y ago
“Do it for yourself” is the main point I wanted to make.
I used those specific examples since they were real world and recent. Not as a rubric for “if you’re doing it right, you’re doing this.”
Sexual repression because it may be not “discreet” enough (as recent posts, etc. have implied) is what has put sand in my Vaseline.
NYCSPARKLE 6y ago
Would be curious on your thoughts around expressing yourself as what seems like a “performance” versus simply not caring and doing it to release a bit.
I think that gets over diagnosed as peacock syndrome. When’s it more similar to a lion playing with its food because it just ate earlier. Still king of the jungle.
FereallyRed 6y ago
It's a fine line and tough to drill down.
Why do you do "X"?
Innate? Society? Morals? Genetic? Validation? Approval? Hedonism?
"Because I want to." is not a good answer, because it automatically begets the question "Why do you want to?".
And that "why" leads down many deep rabbitholes.
Why do men like sex? It feels good? Why does it feel good? Brain chemicals. Why does sex release brain chemicals? Because your genes want out. Why doesn't jerking off work just as well, then? Because it's missing pieces of the experience. Why are these pieces important? Because it further supported genetic viability by encouraging bonding. Why are bonding and spreading your genes as much as possible at odds with each other, then?
It's neverending.
Teasing out what is truly what you want to do is impossible because there's a multitude of shit behind the scenes that influence everything you do, whether you're aware of it or not.
That's why I put self actualized in my original reply.
Try to determine to the best of your ability why you do things.
If it's an easy answer, then deal. If not, let it go because you'll end up mercurial in Wonderland hosting a tea party.
frykidse 6y ago
No dude, this is a shitshow shallow post. Examine yourself more. Ask yourself is this the man you really want to be.
In the worst case, you want to follow the campsite philosophy. Leave it the same or better as you found it. You're not hers forever. She's not yours forever. Don't fuck it all up for the people who come after you.
Earn your self-worth from you and your achievements. Not from tearing weaker others down. AWs happen because they lost out on a valuable irreplaceable man. Not bc you slapped their ass on the beach.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
You put morality there. Understand that we all have different way to approach that.
LiftOrGTF0 6y ago
Still stuck in the anger phase huh
NYCSPARKLE 6y ago
Not angry about any of this. See “circle of life” comment.
In fact, I’m encouraging the types of actions that lead people to the anger phase.
chazthundergut 6y ago
I've been shocked by how many chicks will go from sucking me off to just jumping on my dick with no condom. I've even had a girl ask me "why are you doing that?" when I stopped to put one on.
I'm not sure why I expected women to be more responsible about their reproductive health, but it's been quite a surprise
EntropyForeverx 6y ago
Where are you ? And how often does this happen?
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warlordchad 6y ago
Great post. One indication she sees you as alpha is she’ll let you do things other guys can’t do. This is why alphas get away with cheating and all kinds of bad behavior.
TL;DR—If she starts making rules or trying to dictate behavior, you either NEXT or retake the frame, whether by fucking her good or ignoring her. The caveat is if you don’t care and she’s giving you what you want. Guys need to remember: the reason you want to be alpha is so you get what you want.
DancesWithPugs 6y ago
You're advising people to do longterm damage to women so they can get off and feel an ego rush? How about no.
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AdeHMar 6y ago
Hilarious how I merely suggested that it isn't advisable to slap a bitch ass in front of other people, because it might be seen as rude or plain disrespectful by them (anti-slut defense anyone?), and you assumed the following:
Certainly there a lot that do, I've had my fair share of them, they are fun.
Learn to comprehend what you are reading, it's a really useful tool for life.
Tungsten_Zill 6y ago
What’s a good view of the situation, but why a man may be afraid of being man, especially in front of “same frame” woman?
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_do_not_read_this_ 6y ago
Allow me to start the down-voting.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
I read your username what now
_do_not_read_this_ 6y ago
Look in the mirror and say it three times quickly and I'll appear behind you.
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Brodin69 6y ago
how is slapping a fuck buddies ass at the beach anything near rape?
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Fryborg 6y ago
Except it's literally not, you dumb cunt
MaggieAndTheMossies 6y ago
Last time I checked stealthing was a criminal offence. It's fair enough if the woman consents but assuming is a dangerous game.
Fryborg 6y ago
Way to move the goal posts, faggot.
MaggieAndTheMossies 6y ago
I'm just giving advice, most gals won't appreciate something like that. It won't come across well.
Fryborg 6y ago
Your advice isn't really advice. It is ideological refuse, with a thin veneer of moral fagging, which you have continued to resort to because you have no reasonable way to show, how assuming a thing is equal to forcing your cock inside a girl, and pumping it inside her while she has made it clear through speech or body language that you haven't met her conditions required for actual consent. You obviously have a problem of some sort. It could be that you've swallowed the intersectional feminist koolaid, or that your daddy's guidence wasn't strict enough, or that you just haven'y been dicked down by any guys you're actually attracted to, etc., but go deal with it elsewhere. The only thing that will win an argument here, and convince the men reading of what you are actually trying to push, is reasoned, researched, empirical evidence and logic. Or at a bare minimum, anecdotes of some sort. So far you have nothing. Most men who come here, don't give a fuck what will or won't "come across well" because the vast majority aren't rapists, except perhaps, by your worthless definition, and they know that if they girl puts up hoops they aren't willing to jump through, then the next gal will be along shortly. Why is everything rape to you? Is the beard on my neck rape? Or the cheeto dust on my fingers and shirt? Is that rape too? What about the sweat stains or elbow cleavage or cankles? Save it. I don't care
FereallyRed 6y ago
She's a virgin teenager with vaginismus. She doesn't know her place because she's lost.
You don't belong here, Maggie.
MaggieAndTheMossies 6y ago
Going through my comment history is a bit of a low blow...