I tried to sum this up as much as possible, but I ended up with a wall of text.
Blue Pill Backstory:
I grew up close to poverty as my parents struggled to start a business, we lived off of what could scrape together. I even started working in the family business as a kid. When I was in high-school, the business took off and got purchased by a bigger company. My parents were financially smart and set up a trust fund for me with some of the earnings. I drew about 40k a year from it.
I got married (at 20 years old) in 2005 to my 19 year old bride. We ended up having two kids and I thought we were happy. She liked her job and decided that she would like to work during the day at her professional job and I would work at night doing some repairs and building computers for a local computer shop. In our 20s, that seemed like good money. She made about 75k at an engineering firm, and between the trust fund and the side job, I made about 55k.
The problem was she ALWAYS came home angry. She talked about her coworkers' huge houses and how they had BMWs and how her boss's wife bought a new car every two years and they were always top-of-the-line. I asked if she maybe wanted to stay at home and I would get a higher-paying job, but she had too many friends at work, and she didn't want to leave it.
It got to the point she would come home and just start being pissed off at me for no reason. She was always on her phone, calling this guy from work, texting that guy from work. I was too stupid to see what was going on. I thought maybe she was stressed, so I decided to splurge on a vacation. She had to plan it because she wanted to get the best deal. She bought a two week family cruise.
A few weeks before the cruise (and after the latest cancellation date on the tickets) she suddenly had a deadline she couldn't miss and all the stars lined up for her to be unable to do anything about it, but rather than waste the money, she felt I should just take the kids on the cruise. The day of the cruise she drops me, an infant, and a toddler off at the airport and says goodbye. She doesn't answer the phone again for the next several days and when she does, she tells me she wants a divorce. I'm gonna keep it brief here, but that's when I knew she was fucking someone else.
Rock bottom:
I wanted to take her back so bad, but she was too busy trying to leave me. I wanted to make it work. She wouldn't tell me who she was sleeping with, but she made no attempts to hide it. The day we got back from the vacation, she came home later than usual in clothes that were not something she would wear to work. I knew she had not been home for weeks. Later, I would find out my 24 year old wife was banging a coworker in his early 50s.
She filed for divorce and we both met with lawyers. This is when she realized the mistake she made. In our state, the trust fund was 100% off limits, the money I made at work was 100% off limits, we hadn't been married long enough for her to get alimony, and the state tends to look down on someone who planned a trip and only bought three tickets (meaning she planned the affair almost six months in advance).
Around this time, she said she wanted to try to work things out and that she realized the mistakes she made and how she truly loved me. I was so blue pilled that I believed her. I actually spent another six months trying to make it work, until one day I decided to check up on her email. I found an email going back almost EXACTLY to the day she said she wanted to make it work. I remembered that day because at the time I would have told you it was the greatest day of my life. It was the day that she and her coworker had an exchange in which he told her that she couldn't move in with him, and that he enjoyed their time together, but that he didn't see a future in it. She told him he ruined her life. Six months later, I paid her about $5000 for half of the equity of the house and walked away with primary custody.
Red Pill Introduction (Four Years Post-Divorce):
In the years since the divorce, I had moved to a professional electrical engineering job a tech-startup. This was around 2014 or so when the economy was recovering. Since I had the trust fund, I was taking 22% of my salary as private stock in the company and they were giving me a 15% match, which was absolutely crazy at the time. It meant my take-home was only about 50k, but I was getting 24k per year in company . I lived in a lower income state, so I was right below the median household income just with my take-home, not including trust fund and company stock. I didn't advertise it and having the kids most days meant I didn't socialize much.
In 2014, I finished my master's in electrical engineering and switched to a new company that offered me a ridiculous compensation package. The old company required that I move my stocks, but since they were smaller, they had to mail me a check to roll into the new company's 401k. That meant a check for just under 100k.
My neighbor, Alison (and ex-wife's favorite friend) knew of the divorce and loved to come over and tell me all about my ex-wife and all the guys she was dating and how great she was doing. Her husband and I remained pretty good friends, but he and I could never talk because his wife wouldn't allow it as I was now the enemy. The only time I ever saw Alison was when she would bring her kids over to "socialize" just so she could rub some tidbit about my ex-wife in my face. I tried to avoid her, but she had a knack for meeting me outside then trying to get the kids together to play. It was hard to tell my kids no to having their friends play with them, so I ended up out there making general small talk with Alison a few times a week.
As it so happens, the day the check came, I opened it at the mailbox because it was such a big check, just in time to see Alison coming out her front door, kids in tow. I flipped the check over to hide it and made some minor small talk while the kids were playing. At some point, I got distracted by one of the kids and disengaged from the conversation. When I looked back at Alison, her face was transfixed on my mail. To my horror, the attached stub said something along the lines of employee distribution -- $100,000.00 in huge letters. I hid it as quickly as possible and went to bring the kids inside, awkwardly hoping she didn't see it.
A few hours later I get text from her asking about setting up a play-date. She couldn't even make it a full day. Suddenly, I was her Facebook friend, getting texted about every person who showed up at my house, what a neighbor said, and of course, how terrible my ex-wife was and how Alison never liked her. She offered to babysit and tried several times to come over to my house when her husband was at work. More than once, when Luke was out of town, she suggested we set up sleepovers so the kids could hang out because her husband thought they were too young to do sleepovers and a couple of times she came over with beer and wine just to talk and be friends. She had shown me the way it really works.
Red Pill Field Report (10 Years Post-Divorce):
Two weekends ago, I am down in Florida at a trade show. I don't work a booth, but I do like to stop by my company's booth to see what the marketing department puts together and what we are putting as our featured products in the given market sector. I have lifted weights at least 4 days a week, continued my career path, and am the best shape of my life, financially, physically, and mentally. I stop by a competitor's booth where I run into a former employee of mine. He's a great guy and we go back several years, so we are catching up. He introduces me to a couple of people there, including his mid 20s coworker, Kayla, and the orbitor who clearly has no chance and the VP of the division. She knows me because we have been a few shows before and she and I exchange jabs about the problems with each other's companies and products. The orbitor tries to land a few insults, but the VP cuts him off about it. After I leave that booth, I invite them to stop by ours and we can go over some of the technical details. A few minutes later, Kayla comes over and she and I agree to meet up after the trade show for drinks at the hotel bar.
Kayla changes into a dress before she comes to the bar, and she and I order our drinks. I look around and see a booth with a couple sitting there, so I introduce myself and ask if they mind if we sit with them. They agree and we all start chatting and having a great time. The girl across from me, Marsha, is a cute blonde with her scraggly-headed boyfriend. Both of them just turned 21 and are out at this trade show because they are students who got paid to check badges at the door. She points out this is the fanciest place she's ever drank. The boyfriend orders himself another round as they try to decide whether they have enough cash for a third. I spend most of the time joking about how lame trade shows are and that they are just excuses to get drunk and fuck strangers while billing the company. This whole time, I planned to fuck Kayla, and she is clearly onboard. Kayla gets up to go to the bathroom, Scraggly decides he needs another beer and gets up to order it. I sit there with Marsha for about three seconds when she just comes out and says "Your girlfriend is cute as hell." I have had threesomes before, but usually they are somewhat planned. I told Marsha that Kayla would probably be down for something like that. Of course, she pulls the "That's not what I meant" bullshit, but it was already over at that point. As soon as Kayla gets back, I ask if either of them want another drink, I'll buy this round for everyone (I'd already been buying mine and Kayla's). Kayla says that will be her third, and she doesn't want to be too drunk. Marsha says the same, but convinces her boyfriend to get one more since I am buying, and they can take an Uber home. She says she'll split a Long Island with Kayla. Not one hour and two beers later, Marsha's boyfriend is calling an Uber because he's too drunk, while she says she wants to stay and dance with her new friend, Kayla.
It was like looking back in time ten years. That poor bastard probably thinks she stayed out and danced and drank too much and had to sleep in Kayla's hotel room.

A_Bandini 6y ago
Is there a follow-up to this story where your ex-wife hits the wall, realizes she made a mistake by riding the cock carousel all of these years, and then comes scratching at your door? Just curious.
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Not really. I mean, she and I got to different points in our lives really quickly. In the beginning, I was the bad guy who made her cheat, and later on I was the bad guy who couldn't forgive a one-time mistake. Don't get me wrong, I really wanted to work it out when it first happened because I thought we could work through it, but like I mentioned, once you see the actual text conversations of someone planning to cheat on you (literally the same day you and she are fucking, she is texting her affair partner and planning to fuck him, talking about how great he is), you can never go back, especially when you realize that your wife, and supposedly one-and-only was someone else's cumrag for a week or two, and was so meaningless to him that she didn't even warrant a proper breakup, just a "Well, it's been nice!" via text.
After I started working towards divorce and she realized she would actually not get everything she wanted from it, then she wanted to make it work. Seeing through that was when I realized I could never go back, no matter what.
She is someone snarky about it from time to time, to be honest. There is a girl I have dated off and on for about 5 years (FWB) who she gets into catty arguments with sometimes. She is a friend of a friend's sister and was 18 when I was 26, so my ex-wife called me a pedophile for being out with her. The best part was that at that time, I felt like she was too young and didn't want to ruin a friendship, so I kept my distance from her, and my ex just happened to see us talking at a party and jumped to all the wrong conclusions. Ironically, I think rumors of us dating are what put it into her head to start dating.
Now, she seems happy in her new marriage. I always wonder if she is cheating on the new husband or if she wants to, if I have to be honest.
Odd_String 6y ago
Who knows. Maybe she's met her match and he's doing the fair bit of cheating.
umizumiz 6y ago
The husband(Bama uncle, roll tide roll) sounds a fair bit less impressive than you did when you were married to her. I'd have to say that yes, she is cheating. She obviously never learned, and continued to assume that "beta provider" is the best she can get. And we all know alpha fucks...
riggedved 6y ago
What a great story, and what a great transformation.
This really made my day. Keep at it! Salute.
rakeshgupta1 6y ago
I think the wall of text is how it works fam, the path to greatness is not point a to point b in a jiffy. I have been working on myself, struggling with the conundrum of red pill, made it into med school and I'm not making excuses when I say it's too draining physically and mentally. Hopefully I'll impose my will to not beat myself up after every fall and it's the community and story like yours that reminds me of how people from different parts and paths of life come to the same observations and results, yet the circumstances are different for every individual. Keep em coming !
randomTATRP 6y ago
keep going man. you can do it. if i could, you can too !
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I am telling you that I struggled and sweated through school, I know that medical residencies are no joke. One of my friends got his M.D. and I literally thought it was going to kill him. Keep with it, though! Not him, but a different doctor I know was pulling in $500,000 a year from just one of the hospitals where he worked, and he had a private practice as well.
Coumadin12 6y ago
This was incredibly insightful to read, thank you. You and I are the same age yet you have experienced and achieved FAR more than I have career and academic-wise, so it was also inspirational to read this. Are there any specific books, podcasts, mentors, etc that you recommend that have helped you along this journey of development? I just went back to school last year at 31 for accounting/ finance. Fortunately, I haven't been married, don't have kids, and am single. Focusing on myself (and my parents/ little sister) are my number 1 priorities.
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Honestly, the books I've liked have been in the realm of psychology. There are the old standby books like The Art of War and The Prince, which really promote the idea to stop at no cost and how to develop a winning strategy, but more modern books like Spy the Lie, Extreme Ownership, and Soft Selling in a Hard World, which all deal with the topics of how to read people, how to manage people, and how to sell them on yourself and an idea. I would say those books are what put me on a path to understand how to get what I want out of all kinds of situations and to tell when someone else is trying to get something over on me, even if not maliciously. It's really nice to be able to tell that your boss is holding out on a promotion because he wants someone else to get it for political reasons, or to be able to see that the customer isn't even trying to get your business plan approved on their end because they just don't believe in it yet.
Coumadin12 6y ago
Again, thanks man. I'll add those to my reading list. In terms of personal finance and investing, are there any you'd recommend? Also, what is your nutrition like to keep you fueled and lifting regularly into our 30's?
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Being 30 isn't old age. Testosterone only drops by about 1% per year in your 30's, so you can still lift heavy through your 40's. People use age as an excuse.
The hard part is making time to do it. I have a routine where I block out from 4:30 - 6:30 AM for workouts. No caffeine because it interferes with my ability to wake up and start working out. Breakfast is a protein shake, and lunch is boring chicken and vegetables. Nutrition is 90% of the fitness game after 25. I got up to 230lbs at one point before the divorce. I was fat and lazy. Never again, my friend. My plan is to leave behind a good looking corpse and a fuck ton of money for my kids.
Edit: Source (I can find a more scientific one if you want).
Harvard Health Newsletter
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Healthline
I should add that I can't always lift. Travel, being out late the night before, etc., get in the way, but most days I manage to do it. My streak was about 120 days in a row.
Coumadin12 6y ago
Right on - I needed to hear that, so thank you. Do you make time for any hobbies aside from your workouts and reading? I know how crazy busy our lives can get, hah
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My hobbies are basically working out and reading. I do play some games, but I really enjoy the gym (and the cardio bunnies).
Patric_MasterBateman 6y ago
This is the best Red Pill post I've read in months. Goals
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Rob345678 6y ago
Great story. These stories really helps us young guys to navigate life with the redpill lense.
Mouad69 6y ago
Smooth, i never read anything this long on internet, you should write books
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I just turned 32. I honestly thought that was it when I hit 31 because I was "over the hill." I feel like a senior citizen in most clubs, now. Turns out that's not where it's at in your 30's; instead, upscale bars are where those younger women come looking for a more mature group. Hell, a few weeks ago I saw a guy in his late 50's with a 9/10 brunette and she was eating every word he said.
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I don't want to die alone, and I definitely want that permanent girl in my life, but it's hard to find the nerdy church girl because I've been with at least a dozen of them who claimed to be saving it for marriage or trying to keep their kill count low.
The nerdy church girl that I used to share an office with cheated on her husband twice in a year, then kept the boor bastard on the hook, while she spent all day talking to me about how she wanted to be a pornstar. Sex was literally the only thing on her mind. (They never did get divorced, and she still fills her Instagram with semi-nude photos he'll never see).
If the right lady came along, I'd be interested in settling down, but damned if I'm gonna be that guy again.
YamahaRD350 6y ago
no matter what you do.
you will die alone.
even if someone is there holding ur hand.
complaining about the dishes in the sink.
as you float away
finally free.
redalterego 6y ago
That was a great read. Quality posts like this are rare these days. Keep it up!
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I didn't know about TRP, but I'm gonna have to post more field reports about this. Especially when they have a strange outcome. Last weekend caught me off guard because of how easy Marsha was and how simple setting up an impromptu threesome became. It took two drinks and an hour of conversation to bring them back to my hotel room. Next time I am near either of them, it's practically guaranteed again. I am still texting Marsha and Kayla and I are both on Snapchat.
Odd_String 6y ago
The anxiety that any of us could be Marsha's boyfriend is truly the epitome of Red Pill philosophy.
sandstonexray 6y ago
stay alpha and woke brother
RagBeerBela 6y ago
Great post man, a real rollercoaster, good job on getting back up after the divorce.
rad_dynamic 6y ago
Being 20, I'm always in a sort of rush mode, trying to get everything done NOW. But honestly, your post has made me realise the epic scale of the TRP journey.
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Thank you for opening my eyes to the wonder of growing old as a man.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
What is important is not what you have or not, but what other people you know of do have or not. If you have significantly more in most areas, then normal people are satisfied with their situation. Some jealous type can still have an issue for the few areas where they have less, but that would be a big red flag.
Your first wife just seen how anybody at her workplace was making more than you do and how she was the one with no power & money.
She was smart to infer that most likely you would not do as well from your current situation and that is would be better to get it now than to wait for a possiiblity. That you managed it later she could not guess.
Where she was stupid was to marry, get kids and think she could play much more experienced and wealhy man to get the whole package just because she wanted that to happen.
The practical outcome is that if you want any relation to be successful long term is that you need to be overall the among best one for your partner and the reverse has to be true, too. If you both are by each custom set of value s one of the best possible partner they can get on one side and that on other side there no big redflag, the relation is going to be solid.
If you rush without vetting or if one is clearly not satisfied for whatever reason, the relation is at risk. Also if you go together early in life each one value may still change a lot meaning it is quite likely that one find he got the wrong person and would want to change.
NorthLocation12 6y ago
I see women holding hands with their boyfriends eyeing me down. I can’t believe how clueless these guys are and how thirsty these women are.
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All jokes aside, I try to stay at the nicest hotel the company will pay (or that I have earned rewards to get for free) because I've noticed that if I meet a girl, I can ask "Where are you staying?" and she could be local or not (and her response doesn't matter, to be honest). That's when I say "Oh, that sounds nice, since I'm on travel they are putting me up at [insert 3 star or better hotel with a bar or club inside it]," then it gives a good opportunity to invite her to the hotel to see a band or get a drink at the bar without setting off the ASD.
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Man having a trust fund would make my life incredibly easy
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I will tell you that I am appreciative because I grew up so poor, and I will admit that luck is a big part of life, unfortunately.
DeChef2 6y ago
Stop using that as an excuse. Other people got lucky therefore I don’t have to work hard. Such utter bull.
People aren’t as lucky as you think.
Law 30: Make your accomplishments seem effortless.
They put in a lot more work than you think. Which causes you to think they are just lucky, which means you forever remain in your place of obscurity.
Subjectobserver 6y ago
True, luck definitely plays a big part, which most people don't acknowledge.
Thunderbird93 6y ago
Luck doesn't exist. Its all cause and effect. " “Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity"-Seneca
Subjectobserver 6y ago
A fellow Stoic. It depends on the context. I was referring to luck which is beyond our control. For example, being born into a wealthy family.
thedaynos 6y ago
very similar though because luck brings opportunity.
Thunderbird93 6y ago
Yeah I hear you my bro. Thats true
[deleted] 6y ago
That doesn't make sense, just admit you haven't had to work as hard as 90% of people
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I work about continuously. I will absolutely admit that having a way to pay for college is an EXTREME leg-up, but I literally work at least 80-90 hours a week, not including travel time. I do both work the company and external consulting. In addition to the schooling, I have some specialized training I took on my own to advance my career.
My point in even mentioning the trust fund is to tell you that I had it easy as hell at $40k a year doing jack shit. There is nothing women find sexy about a stay-at-home dad. I was BluePilled as fuck thinking that was peak.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
Who care ?
Only the result count for the outside world and being jealous is unnatractive.
Typically in the big game of life, you may have landed some nice assets and weaknesses. The idea is to play your strengths and compensate or correct your weaknesses.
OP was making low money outside of the trust fund. Reality is that if he was making the same 55K at that time but with 100% from his salary instead of 40K from trust fund and 15K from salary, his wife would have been much more confident and much happier.
He still managed to grow his income significantly and played it well and most people fail that, whatever their initial situation and family. You can't remove that.
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I will tell you I have seen plenty of children of wealthy businessmen who spend through their parents money. I worked with a guy who was cutting his son out of his will because the kid spent about $100k in college and got kicked out of the university. If you don't teach your kids financial management, regardless of your wealth, you are going to set them up for failure.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
Yeah you are completely right.
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David-Trace 6y ago
What a fucking post.
I’m new to this sub and TRP, I’m 20 and I’ve been so fucking blue pulled it’s insane.
This just goes to show how when you prioritize yourself and not give a fuck, you begin to win at life.
I knew most of this and also learned a lot from this post. Good shit on the success.
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Yeah. If I could go back in time, I would be so far beyond where I am now. If you struggle in your early to mid 20s, your life will be so far beyond. STEM, my friend.
andyturbo2000 6y ago
Awesome post. Great story.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
Glossing over the girlfriend part of the story since giving opinions would be against the rules, glad to see you improved from close to the bottom and got Kayla. Keep the improvements coming
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I'm new here. I'd welcome the input because we can always be improving.
Yeah, I have seen the bottom and it is ugly and desperate.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
The rule is "No moralizing" and when I told you I glossed over the girlfriend part you can probably guess what my stance on it is
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I gotcha. For the record, she isn't my girlfriend, but I wasn't going to correct Marsha on it at the time.
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
I was referring to Marsha as the girlfriend since she was in a relationship
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Oh. Yeah! That poor dude is still probably with her. I should follow up with her since I got her number in case we are ever in the same area again.
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light-----------dark 6y ago
great post.
which state did you get a divorce in?
[deleted] 6y ago
I don't want to get too specific, but it was the Bible belt. They tend to frown on a woman who literally sends her family on trip she she can bang her boss, then lies to the court claiming she never had any intention of letting it happen, even though all parties had already seen the cringey Facebook posts and text messages.
okuli 6y ago
Lucky you. I've got divorce in "no fault" state, nothing she did mattered at the court.
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I've heard that no fault states are bad. The guy she was banging told her that this was a no fault state, luckily my lawyer's advice was not to take legal advice from people you are fucking.
5ubstanc3 6y ago
Awesome. So what did you learn?
[deleted] 6y ago
Primarily, women want to be dicked down by top tier dudes. Doesn't matter if she pretends to be attached, she'll drop her panties in a second for what she thinks is a better dick.
Protocol_Apollo 6y ago
Solid field report
“Of course, she pulls the “that’s not what I meant” bullshit, but it was already over at that point. “
How did you know it was already over? And shouldn’t this have activated her ASD?
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That was her ASD. She wanted to pretend that wasn't what she meant, and I didn't push, I just laughed it off letting her think I was buying the claim like I was twisting her words, however she was totally down for dancing. Honestly, I think she was bi and hadn't come to terms with it, because later she was admitting that she and her "best friend" used to hook up all the time. It wasn't her first MFF experience, either.
Edit: I'm going to add that in my experience, more than 75% of the time, when a woman compliments another woman to her face, they may or may not be friends. When a woman compliments another woman behind her back, they are actually friends. When a woman talks about finding another woman attractive behind her back, she wants to sample the goods.
Protocol_Apollo 6y ago
“When a woman talks about finding another woman attractive behind her back, she wants to sample the goods”
Yeh, thinking about it right now, it makes sense.
Saying it to her face can just be a platitude or whatever but behind her back, there’s literally no other reason apart from what you said
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Spets87 6y ago
A quality post. Great work on pulling yourself up.
fistinggirls4free 6y ago
i've realized that since becoming redpilled i've become more and more like the guy who stole my unicorn when i had oneitis. how do you rationalize this? because lately i've been having problems with how i've turned out
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They aren't unicorns and mine wasn't stolen. She willingly loaded herself up on that cattle-carrier because she thought he had a greener field. There's a lot of horses with taped on horns being sold as unicorns, but when you look close, you realize the scam. I'm saying that if I do find the unicorn, that's fine and I'd be OK to lock it down, but until then, I'm not gonna pretend every hot chick is "the one." Pure statistics show there isn't "the one," there are probably 10 million women on the planet who I could live with and be relatively happy in marriage.
fistinggirls4free 6y ago
Not what I asked at all bud
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
He's saying that you're not stealing unicorns from betas - when you come full circle you realise that it's nothing personal, you're just the right guy at the right time(s) and if it wasn't you it would be somebody else. It's not your fault that girl X cheats on her bf.
fistinggirls4free 6y ago
Yeah, I see what your saying and agree that it’s nothing personal. Tbh I see it as the girls fault because they always are looking for something better.
But does it ever make you feel like a dick when you do stuff like that?
It does for me and I hate it
Fulp_Piction 6y ago
Blaming anyone in that scenario is a waste of time - you're thinking about trust, choices and higher level thinking. Read that Vaginabrain post from a few days ago.
I don't think it's happened to me too often.
[deleted] 6y ago
Maybe I didn't understand the question. I thought you were asking how I overcame oneitis. I was just saying that I just don't believe in the idea of "the one."
fistinggirls4free 6y ago
My bad I guess I wasn’t clear.
Let’s face it, redpill teaches us that it’s okay to slay a girl who has a bf or is married, or to have multiple plates who don’t know about each other.
Back when I was bluepilled my gf left me for a guy we both worked with. The more and more redpilled I become, the more I see myself becoming like the guy who cheated with my ex. Similarly, you had a 3some with a girl who had a bf. I’d guess your blue pilled self would have had a problem with this.
I’m not saying it’s wrong but I wanna hear your rationalization on this, bro
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Oh! That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. From my perspective, if she's gonna cheat, then she's gonna cheat. Some girls just want to get dicked down, so even if I refuse because she's attached, someone else is gonna be on top of her as soon as she gets the chance. When I was Bluepilled, I would have hated the guy who sleeps with a girl in a relationship, but I know for fact, statistically speaking, the number of women I have met on travel who were "single" just doesn't add up.
I do have some lines I won't cross. I won't sleep with a married woman if I know she's married, and I won't sleep with any of my friends girlfriends or exes unless they are OK with it just because that's a good way to get murdered. Additionally, you can still be sued in a few states for breaking up a marriage.
I do think the guy who slept with my ex-wife was sleazy, but not because he slept with a married chick, but because I read the text messages and he basically pretended that as soon as they were together, he would provide for her and divorce would be simple and painless for her. I refuse to lie my way into bed with a girl.
fistinggirls4free 6y ago
I feel like having a line you wont cross is key. Thanks for your comment bro
Odd_String 6y ago
No, the fuck it is not. Your happy little situation can be ruined at any point by people who WILL cross the line.
fistinggirls4free 6y ago
You make the line numbnuts
Odd_String 6y ago
Make all the lines you want, dipshit.
face_north 6y ago
Do you mind sharing a bit about your kids. Did they get to stay with you ? And did you already teach them what you would have known 10 years back ?
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Yeah. I ended up with kids most of the time, when they were younger and she was less stable. I put them on my insurance, etc.. I did not get any assistance from her, but I didn't have to pay anything either. The only real catch is that when I travel for work, I have to provide her first right to refuse and so on. It's pretty much boilerplate. She was really mad about it at first because she thought we could trade the kids back and forth, but the judge that oversaw it wouldn't sign off on that because she had two boyfriends before the divorce was final. After she got more stable and the kids got a little older, then we worked out an arrangement where she sees them more often, especially since I do travel.
Main thing I'm teaching them is that you have to keep improving and set a high standard for yourself and those with whom you associate.
RedHoodhandles 6y ago
'I took what I hated and made it a part of me.'
My values are quite different from yours. Good story though.
[deleted] 6y ago
Really good analysis, actually. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, I guess.
Seriously, though, I think the problem was with me and my idea that all relationships were special and once you were married, it was time to become complacent.
I'm not saying marriage isn't special, but I am saying that a lot of relationships are doomed before they even start and people are clinging to them needlessly. I have a co-worker who spends all day complaining about her lazy husband and how badly she needs to get laid by anyone she doesn't hate.
I'm also not completely opposed to getting married again, but my standard for wife material is so much higher now than it was before and my eyes are opened to all the women who seem like wife material but aren't.
wiener78 6y ago
It never goes away, never goes away...
Gnosiis_ 6y ago
What I get out of this story is how women are so impatient. Here you have an ex-wife and OP who are making decent money, but it is never enough for the wife. Women these days are not willing to grow into their marriage/relationship. If she stayed with him she likely would have gotten the things she complained she didn't have. Even then, she probably wouldn't have been satisfied.
The point is women are too impatient to grind, go through ups and downs, and build with their partners. Be wary of impatient women. The type of women who won't ride or die with you, even when married to you.
Out of all the redpill concepts, besides preselection, Briffault's Law has to be the most true.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
Her man was not making much and got most of his money from his parents business. In statistics it was not likely he would improve much. She was making significantly more, 50% counting everything, 5X more counting the salaries alone. She was career oriented and knew she would make significantly more in the future as everybody at her company was making more.
She was perfectly rational to infer the best strategy was to leave OP where money/status/success was concerned.
Where she was extremely dumb was:
- to make kids with somebody that didn't yet proved himself if money/status/success was so important for her.
- to think that her best choice was to court an old dude that has already seen life and just wanted the sex.
It isn't just women, most are impatient and can't know how the situation will evolve in 5-10 years that why most fail or get soso results. They can't project & invest in the future. Most men are like that too.
OP is among the wise men business wise, but if you are not wise yourself, you can't get it.
Thinkingard 6y ago
You're definitely on to something here. I've theorized, although I don't have any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that if a young wife simply had plenty of hot sex with her husband, stayed fit, was good-natured, happy, friendly, positive, and enthusiastic about cooking, cleaning, and taking care of household items, the guy would naturally have the extra time, energy, motivation, and drive to make something of himself. When I was younger I was obsessed with sex. If that need was fully met I could have focused my energies on maximizing my career. When my sex life was at its best I wasn't distracted by it and didn't care if I saw attractive women when I was out. I felt relaxed, like I could finally focus on other things. That's why I feel like TRP is super important, because it can teach young, sex-obsessed men, how to acquire what they need so they can work on other areas of life.
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Often, the young wife (or old) ends up stressing her man out, helpfully reinforces bad habits (like a bad diet, "let's stay in and eat pizza and watch a movie instead of you going to the gym tonight"), has endless squabbles and gossip about her boss and job, is too tired to do anything, stops having sex, stops cooking, doesn't lift a finger around the house, and eventually wonders why she hates life and her husband, and he, hates her.
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I see it as a combination failure of parenting and lacking strong gender roles. Men treat women so freaking well but it's backfired. Women treat men very poorly. What changed? Obviously, these traits have always existed in our genes, but our culture (and parenting beliefs) kept some of this at bay. I don't think anything will turn it around, as a culture, but individually redpilled families can try to enforce stricter gender roles, because a stricter gender role should, theoretically, lead to a more harmonious life. Then again, strict adherence to a religion is supposed to lead to a healthier, happier life but it doesn't always happen.
BewareTheOldMan 6y ago
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Most women want the "end product," but don't want to suffer through the journey.
I've heard it referenced as the "plug and play" concept - the guy shows up ready and outfitted with everything that makes him desirable, valuable, and beneficial to women.
In short - a high-value, confident, handsome and fit man, well-dressed, great career, financial stability, high-earner salary with increased potential to earn more, very nice house, nice cars, motorcycles, several bank accounts with high balances, stock portfolio, etc. - every woman's dream guy.
Barring an inheritance or major financial success at an early age, however, most men will never see that level of accomplishment until their 30s and for some men going into their 40s.
It's interesting, but many women don't realize in order to qualify for the aforementioned type of man, the women will absolutely be required to meet specific standards, conditions, and requirements even for the chance at being considered as a prospect.
Requirements may include, but not limited to showing up to the relationship very young and no older than 21, with a hot and fit body, with a very LOW number of sexual partners or NO sexual partners, with a friendly disposition and a great personality, know how to cook, clean, and be ready to be an outstanding, loyal, and dedicated wife to a hardworking and great man and an exceptional mother to his future children. You better NOT be fat, DON'T be a slut, and DON'T be a single mother.
If women want a man who is ALREADY financially stable and considered a top-tier prospect, the expectation should be that men have specific requirements.
Women have to be ready and don't step to good men with bullshit, and yet...a fat, sloppy 28-year-old single mother with nothing to offer except a long list of problems is the first to declare "she's worthy" of such a high-status man.
Most women at virtually every age has this idea of the type of man they "deserve," while barely considering the fact they may be unworthy of such a man.
It's the same shit...wanting ALL of the benefits with none of the hardship.
It's insulting that we're at a point where many women don't even have patience for a man's journey to his greatness.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
Trash people are believing in fairy tales. Just see how many play the national lotery to understand that these person are delusionnal and hope it will come from outside.
Kurokaffe 6y ago
Yep. People don’t really care about your past and history when it comes to dating. They only care about what they see in front of them right at this moment.
[deleted] 6y ago
I got a Ph. D. in EE about two years ago and lift weights five days a week.
I know for a fact that she would be better off than in her current financial situation. She also gained about 100 lbs and married a guy who looks like he could be mistaken for that creepy Alabama uncle.
To get into a little more Red Pill Theory, I personally think that the ideal age match is someone in her mid to late 20s with a guy closer to his 40s. He will have an established career, can support more kids, can provide a better lifestyle, etc., and she will get the stability and lifestyle that she wants but can't get from a younger guy (with some exceptions).
jihocech 6y ago
" ideal age match is someone in her mid to late 20s with a guy closer to his 40s"
Like the ancient Greeks did? We forgot a lot. Congrat. As a red pilled, masculine man you are much better father.
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temerity18 6y ago
Gained about 100 lbs.... LMAO
[deleted] 6y ago
I'm gonna point out that there is a clear line somewhere in there around 25-30 where people start packing on the pounds. You have to look for someone who is clinically overweight between the ages of 15-20, but starting around 25-30, you have to look hard to find someone who is slender. That goes for both genders, it's just that women are more look tolerant than men (assuming the dude has other qualities she wants).
temerity18 6y ago
"starting around 25-30, you have to look hard to find someone who is slender." This is probably true in the Bible Belt. In more affluent areas people take care of their weight better.
[deleted] 6y ago
Great point! I mostly travel rural areas because of the work I do, but you are right that when in more urban areas, I tend to find a better looking crowd.
Cheddar_Curtain 6y ago
I've been low key macking on a 23(soon to be 24) year old, I'm 38. She has no kids, no skank, fit as fuck, natural beauty. Checks all the boxes right?
Has a lot of emotional baggage. Details are too many to delve into here. Beauty is a big thing, but it's not everything. Don't settle for a good looking piece of ass if she is otherwise sloppy in her day to day life.
p3n1x 6y ago
Just like you, when you were younger.
Your older ass should know how to manage it, that is the point of the attraction to "older men". That is the power of an experienced, weathered and hardened by life, man.
If you are looking for a young Unicorn to emotionally balance you, or to bring 50/50 to the table than you don't "understand" how it works yet.
Mid 20's, sexy and beautiful, tight fairly new pussy, is fucking everything when you are older and established. Her "baggage" is easily manageable.
Cheddar_Curtain 6y ago
This is an interesting comment, because it challenges the assumptions. I get it, you have to be stable and have a pimp hand. But is it really worth the time and cost to keep her amused? When she is somewhat emotionally retarded already? My point is that good pussy isn't always uber alles when you have to deal with all the bullshit drama she brings to the table.
Where I was at 23 and the girls I dated then were nothing like this. Sometimes red flags are just red flags. Just because she's young and beautiful doesn't mean you should ignore them or just 'handle it' as an older man. Some things are beyond fixing.
p3n1x 6y ago
Some-things have always been broken, your RP lense allows you to see them now (like learning a new word you hear over and over). As you grow, you realize it isn't exactly broken, it is just how things are.
To sort this out more, your comments sound like you are only dealing with one. Yeah, that is a royal pain in the ass.
Have 3+ and spin them. You will be so blind to so much bullshit because you naturally DGAF. Give me drama? Well then, I'm going to give more time to the most deserving plate.
Your oneitis is kicking in, guys fail to have multiple plates based on the fear of losing the one we like the most. But, that is precisely how it is supposed to work, women come, women go, women come back.
Cheddar_Curtain 6y ago
Amen brother. I have been having some oneitis lately and it was backfiring on me. I've eased way off the throttle with her for a few weeks now, being polite but distant. I can tell she's getting curious what I'm up to. Hanging out with other women of course. We shall see.
blueablaze 6y ago
Smooth post. A lot to learn from.
ThePriorityBike 6y ago
This is like the part of the horror movie when you see a character walking into the dark basement at night. "NO!" You shout. "THE MONSTER IS IN THERE!" But the character goes in anyway and gets knifed.
ananke337 6y ago
Only works if you're both Christians.
[deleted] 6y ago
"It seemed like a good idea at the time," says every person who is divorced at 24.
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CorytheWarrior 6y ago
This story is quality and sad at the same time. Just one poor bastard after another
[deleted] 6y ago
I have come to the conclusion that you can't save anyone. Let's suppose I don't sleep with a chick because she is some relationship (and to be fair I don't fuck married women), but she is trying her best to do it, then she will likely sleep with someone else and end the relationship anyway.
I read Not Just Friends and one of the main reasons the author points to women cheating is unhappiness in the relationship. They want to end it, but they don't know how, so cheating forces their partner to end it for them.
ManicMuffin2 6y ago
That has nothing to do with you.
Be your own man. Just because you can't stop something doesn't mean you should play a part.
All we've got are our principles and they're not supposed to be convenient. Sometimes doing the right thing isn't the easiest, and the poor excuse of "it's gonna happen whether I'm there or not" is just a way to not take responsibility, to avoid trying to become better.
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rad_dynamic 6y ago
Can be done even in reverse. Clever girls will withdraw attention, act like massive bitches and then blame you for cheating for something as small as replying to a snapchat. Then they can blame you for everything and as the guy who betrayed them.
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