Found some refreshingly honest red pill truths coming out of a Chinese dating show called “If You Are the One” last night (it is popular in Australia). If you haven’t seen the show it’s basically one male candidate who goes in front of 24 (mostly young and beautiful) women and he gets to pick out one he wants. If she has left a light on for him, which remains a mystery until the end, they leave together.
The candidate on this episode was a 6” smart, wealthy, physically fit, entrepreneur/architect with “a high IQ but low EQ” - his words. He was introverted and had little experience with women. He did not really get women or read their two-speak.
Anyway, the guy was retelling a story in which he and his ex-girlfriend had a fight. After the fight he asked her if she wanted him to stay (they were at her apartment). She said “no”. So he left. A couple days later she came back to him and said that “I only said no to see how much you actually cared for me, and to see if you would fight for me and to stay”. (Typical comfort/commitment test)
The discussion then turned to how women say one thing and mean the complete opposite - and various other subcommunication. There was slight variations on the theme but one woman (young and beautiful) said “if I say no 3 times, and firmly, that means no. But if I say no once, and not firmly, that means yes”. The other women on the show basically agreed, however an older woman (39) said that as women mature (pass the wall and get desperate) they don’t play these games. It was amazing to me to see these women actually laying out how they communicate. I seriously doubt the above discussion would have played out on an Australian dating show.
Interestingly, this conversation could have easily been read to have been a substitute for a discussion on sexual consent. We know women are aroused by sexual intent, and by male lust and desire for herself. If a woman says “no”, “not firmly, once”, in the heat of the moment, she is gauging the level of your desire for her, and seeing whether your desire will overpower her weak “no”. Just as the candidates woman was gauging his commitment to her - it’s a shit test. If you push through her weak “no”, you will prove your manhood a little more and show her you really want her, that her weak protest can’t stop you, which is what she wants to know, and this will arouse her more. “No means yes” or “please do what I’m saying not to”.
I think most guys know this (except maybe grade A betas) but recent times have muddied the waters. There was a government ad campaign in Australia on sexual assault and consent - and it may be popular in America too - “no means no”. Which is supposed to draw a firm and clear line in the sand, and to target young men in black and white terms - which is how men communicate. However, we know that women don’t work with firm and clear lines, and black and white communication, and no can actually mean yes, depending on how it’s said.
Now don’t be a fool and go and sexually assault a woman. Gauge the situation and read her subcommunication. If it’s “no, three times, and firmly” then she means no. If it’s “no, once and not firmly” and you already have her half naked in your bed, I suggest it’s a little bit of consent play and to continue. A lot of guys here say just back off for a couple minutes and then try again. But I thinks it’s actually more effective to override the no (depending on how that “no” is given) because that will result in better sex.

69odin420 6y ago
posts like these are why we're quarantined. I think it'd be better to say "are you sure" when she says "no", and if she says "yes" then you leave
Laykeside 6y ago
all this bullcockery to fuck a woman. You do realize for every twat that plays these games, there are 10 who'd just straight up say "fuck me". She plays these games because she's been validated as a special snowflake by thirsty men. This allows her to get moist while indulging in childish power tropes. Walk away. I've encountered many women who've played these games, and other's who've spoonfed me their vagina's. Walk away from the former. I honestly couldn't think of a worse way to spend your time than to indulge playing smash-a-mole in the warped mind of a woman.
We_Are_Legion 6y ago
On the other hand, seduction is a game and an art. If she wants to play a little, why not?
I won't walk away from clear interest and most likely hot sex because of ego. It works.
You can't have sex with women and expect them to behave unlike women. This is part of what women do.
Zech4riah 6y ago
Many guys here refer to basic rules and instructions for newbies. And I agree on those, guys should have a low bar for nexting girls who are giving attitude or being flaky.
I also agree with you. When you have solid base and you are more advanced and you can start breaking rules which means that you don't have to next always a girl who is making you to chase a bit.
Laykeside 6y ago
But that's precisely the point isn't it? The whole premise hinges on clear interest. How often do genuine high interest women play these games IRL?In my experience, I haven't been so surprised. Real pure sexual intent is almost always free of even moderate doses of shit tests, because they've already made up their minds. Women know where they are and why they are there; them failing to acknowledge this is just feigning ignorance but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't oblivious. I understand that this part of the skit is as essential as the makeup they wear and that deception is the name of the game, but if you peel through that thin veneer, you'll find that the "to-be seduced" are already seduced by wherever you stand on the SMV and as long as you don't display tremendous pre-sex anxiety, it shouldn't be a herculean task to transition it into the bedroom. Game bridges the venue to the bedroom(or wherever you decide to fuck) but it doesn't generate the raw appeal that your physical and/or social embodiment does.
Besides, isn't pandering to a woman with luke warm interest to poor level's of interest the same as oneitis? Unnecessary effort for possibly zero returns or poor returns. This may seem as an exaggeration but at least a good majority of members on the TRP aren't 100 percent red pilled; where some more shrewd member's may spend 15-20 mins of time invested in a woman who play's such games, other's may spend days tailing these women in the hopes of a lay. Even then poor interest level women aren't really the worst on the scale, there are high interest women, there are moderate interest women, low interest women and women who fuck with you the same way high value men fuck with women.
Because they can.
Whopper_Jr 6y ago
Spot the fuck on—if she’s naked in your bed putting up some LMR that’s one thing, but if you’re out gaming there’s no time to waste jumping through hoops with some random girl who means nothing to you. If she’s already trying to take control of the situation that early, you’re doing yourself a major disservice by getting sucked into the trap. LMR is biological and natural, but dictating terms off the bat is socially-engineered female entitlement and is completely unnatural. Turn around and start hitting on a different woman right in front of her, 100% more efficient and fun
Psynaut 6y ago
I agree with this so much. Personally, I would rather leave and go to a movie by myself than play these stupid confusing games. I just don't have the patience for them. If a girl starts this shit, I instantly feel contempt and derision towards her for being a petty, stupid, childish little twit because she knows about the No Means No, and #metoo campaigns and is just using it in a passive-aggressive way to feel powerful. Maybe it is ultimately because I validate myself, that I refuse to indulge in this stupidity that brings me down in my own eyes to earn her validation through sex. Sex is just to easy to get to lower myself to trying to navigate these intentional games with these stupid women.
estrogenmilk 6y ago
Where I find where it gets extremely interesting is that many gay guys exhibit this same behaviour depending on the type. Cant recall where I found it but it was a common complaint among people gay dating.
As much as I enjoy a womans games and patternic behaviour there are times where I grow fed up. there are behaviours which seem to flick a deep biological switch and turn me off this lies highly among them. I'm an Australian fellow we had the no means no campaign here with hit quotes such as ''violence against woman, australia says no'' with attached pictures of young boys faces.
Sometimes I'll cockblock myself depending on my mood, perhaps young bird that wants to tell me about her boyfriend or a 29 year old looking for a fling before the wedding. Maybe hit on someone else right in front of their face. I might proceed to get them all wet and perked up all the way to the bedroom then leave them in an empty bed, purely out of spite.
As far as I'm concerned you've made your bed, you can lie in it
RapidDrift 6y ago
Fucking preach dude! Fuck women that play these games; there are millions of women out there that don't.
Nighthawkdragon8 6y ago
Damn I think the games are fun asl.
gabeangelo 6y ago
Actually, when you see clear signs of interest and she play these games, I have found the dynamic to be quite entertaining and amusing. And the sex afterward? Glorious. It may sound cliched, but the harder you work for a vagina, the tastier it gets ;) I'm not saying that it should be that way, but I've found the flirting with those type of women to be way more amusing than the ones who just throw themselves at me with their legs wide open.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
The whole thing is if you understand and like the game :). Many men don't and that ok and for them it will fail miserably. Some men get it and they enjoy it.
prettyawsm 6y ago
Agreed. A bit of a challenge works good enough for me. If it's too easy and straight to the bed I wouldn't be so excited as well.
Dark_Omikron 6y ago
Where the fuck do you even find women who will spoonfed you to fuck them? Cant imagine that here haha
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Cheddar_Curtain 6y ago
I needed that reinforcement right now. I was chasing one who played this game. Not worth my time, there are so many others that offer much more, personality and sexuality wise.
I have a plate right now who wore a dress (without underwear) to a party we both ended up at, because she knew I was going to be there. We didn't fuck, but she was on my nuts as soon as I showed up. I caught her staring at me yesterday (in a crowd) with the most intense fuck me eyes I've seen in a long time. Girl was drilling into my soul with that look.
The point of this all. If she wants to fuck you now, she's into you bigly. If she doesn't know if she wants to fuck you, then you need to find better shit to do. Like Chateau said, never put the pussy on a pedestal. Father Time spares nobody, and I'm not going to waste my prime youth weekends getting friend zoned.
NYCMusicMarathon 6y ago
I need to re look at this wisdom. TY
Cheddar_Curtain 6y ago
You could have if his site didn't get nuked from orbit. Not sure if there are any plans to put that up again anywhere, or what exactly Roissy is up to these days in those regards.
In the meantime you can still find him at:
https://gab.com/heartiste
Skrittext 6y ago
Now I’m just picturing some woman spoon feeding a vagina
420KUSHBUSH 6y ago
"Here comes the airplaneeeee"
functionalghost 6y ago
a teaspoon or table spoon hopefully, certainly i'd be worried if it was a ladle.
Bing_Bang_Bam 6y ago
I saw it in a lesbian porn once. She was feeding the other one her juices. It was amazing.
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Patric_MasterBateman 6y ago
Thank you for actually writing an article, not just posting a link like most people have been doing lately. Good post
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estrogenmilk 6y ago
Watched a bunch of this couple years back when I had nothing else better to do. It's absolutely disgustingly brutal Learnt a lot and they often get off topic it can be entertaining.
Mouad69 6y ago
So a 1 no means yes? And 3 no means no? No thanks i don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison and lose my family and job because of your stupid bs I'll just take a no as a no.
kaolin224 6y ago
Louis CK has a bit about a waitress that he brought back to his room one night that talks about this:
https://youtu.be/NXpFtwYIKew
juddshanks 6y ago
Yep, when you find yourself on trial for a sex offence courts aren't going to care that someone on the internet told you it was ok.
The moment you decide to ignore a no in the hope she doesn't mean it, you are putting your liberty and your future totally in her hands. If she genuinely meant no, or later decides she genuinely meant no, you've effectively ruined your life. It's just not worth the risk, both to your future and because you actually might end up forcing someone to have sex against their will.
A better, more self confident and less thirsty approach is just to take them totally at their word. If they say no, stop, ask them calmly if they want to call it a night, and if they say yes, wind things up and without being rude or angry make it clear you aren't going to beg her and she isn't getting any more attention or validation from you that night. Politely wind things up, leave or drop them home with no more than a peck on the cheek. Don't be butthurt, just take it calmly and like a man and display zero sexual interest in them for the rest of the night.
If she genuinely didn't want to, well you've dodged a bullet and avoided becoming a registered sex offender, good for you. Move on.
If she was playing games and did want to, and is used to guys begging, she will be disappointed, thrown by your self confidence and worried that you don't find her attractive enough, all of which is a recipe for a completely different result the next time you see her.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
Learn LMR strategies, and these worries evaporate.
AlexIsWhack 6y ago
You're taking advice about reading subtleties and seeing things as they are, (not black & white) in a literal black and white way. Not saying it isn't a slippery slope but this is the reality we live in.
CountVonVague 6y ago
If she plays games now she'll play games later, that's a black and white situation where you've put yourself at the mercy of how she feels about her escapade 3 weeks after the fact.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
You'll not go to prison because of that. You get mee-tooed because you have a bit of money. You just need to have been together somewhere a few minutes, that enough. Nobody care what happenned. She can lie, you can lie.
You get rape accusation from women with psychological disorder because they are crazy. Even if you ask if she is fine wit it a dozen time and offer her opportunity to leave at any time,, she can rewrite in her mind that she was not and she was affraid to say no and that you abused your power.
On the opposite a normal woman will understand that if she stayed and agreed she was responsible. I get your point but you are naive if you think that stopping when she says no protect you. You may very well end up with a crazy that wanted the sex and will accuse you of rape because she wanted it and you didn't provide.
SuperCrazy07 6y ago
This is ridiculous.
While I’m sure it’s happened somewhere at some time, if you go through life worrying about being falsely accused of rape because a girl is frustrated when you stop after she says no, you might as well hole up in a mountain somewhere and never talk to a woman again.
You’re much more likely to get in a car accident or get food poisoning etc.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
I don't say the contrary, I fully agree. My point is that if she want to accuse you of rape or to me-too, you are in trouble regarless of you exact behavior anyway.
deathhandmachiavelli 6y ago
If a girl says "no" at any time, I cut her off and move to the next one.
I'm not going to play guessing games about her true intent and I am not going to risk getting into trouble.
moltenw 6y ago
While this is all known and solid advice, the problem in this day and time is that even if laws are being changed to draw the line at "no means no" aka "black / white" logic, women will still continue using their own way of communicating.
This in turn means that women get power. If she fucks a guy and the guy crosses this "no means no" boundary but she enjoys it - It's all good for her. However, if she fucks a different guy and he crosses the boundary, yet she did not enjoy it / regrets it, she now has the power because technically , he broke the rules.
The problem isn't women though, It's the people in power (usually men) giving it away. It is what it is.
blancstare 6y ago
Definitely a valid point in 99% of male-female interaction.
But its dangerous to extrapolate this data to sex. And as others have commented, the risk is too great when compared to the reward. "Watch what she does, not what she says" is a good rule to follow generally. However, in our current world I wouldn't make assumptions about "no" on the topic of consent. Call the bluff and walk away.
RapidDrift 6y ago
The look on their faces and their attitude as you're walking away is priceless. I'm only ever upset that I spent money on fuel.
NathanHollister 6y ago
Verbal no doesn't mean no. If she doesn't want the pipe, she will resist physically
Buchloe 6y ago
Problem is, if you bypass her soft "no" as she really wants, 6 months down the road she can regret fucking you and say "well I said no, so he totally raped me".
Given, women these days can do that even if they were completely enthusiastic at the time.
red2hilt 6y ago
Don't do this, guys. In fact if she lets out a no it's probably best to high-tail it out of there and wait for her to contact you again. When she does, don't even answer her. This is 2019 and ignoring a verbal no is not in the playbook. Doesn't matter how much she wants it. Women with an IQ above 60 know a verbal "no" puts you at risk of rape charges or ruining your reputation forever and won't say that. Just stop.
Source: have sex. Zero rape charges. (Yet.)
nofears 6y ago
All you guys saying don't do this... Have you ever been with a woman???
I once dated a girl who told me that if a guy ever asks for anything sexually, the answer is ALWAYS no, no matter what it is even if she wants it bad herself.
Only if he takes charge and goes for it, is she DTF.
gloop0 6y ago
I am unimpressed by all the negative comments. OP speaks truth. Women have a million ways to communicate a definitive no. They are heavily conditioned to offer token resistance even when they are thinking yes. The light verbal no which is not backed up by body language is something she needs to do so as not to feel like a slut. It's not that big a deal and you won't be dragged away in leg irons for pushing past it. Just don't be an idiot.
TheLastDyingStar 6y ago
This looks like a good way to get arrested for sexual assault, maybe even rape...
themackattack90 6y ago
It's a really bad take by the OP. If it's typical drama or a shit test in a conversation, you can safely ignore a rejection like that. In a sexual situation, the risk/reward is far different. I think the best way to treat a no in a sexual situation, even if you are pretty sure it's just a test, is to take it as "goodbye". Get dressed and leave if you are at her place or ask her to leave if you are at yours. No goodbye hug or I'll see you later or anything. It's an agree and amplify that calls her bluff and makes it clear that her value to you is both very limited and purely sexual. You might lose a ONS or two, but if she doesn't fall quickly back into your frame, she was never gonna be more than that anyway.
DF-RP 6y ago
Honestly, I think that's a VERY bad responce to any soft no / last minute resistance. You are completely breaking rapport with her and seem super needy ("Oh you are not going to have sex with me? Fuck you then"). They will think that you are a total asshole (dragged them back just for sex, no respect for them at all) and it will make them feel bad about their own decisions ("How did I ever go along with a dude like this").
If it feels like a real no, de-escalate, be friendly, treat it like it's a no big deal (it isn't a big deal!) and chill for a while. If you are at their place, get your shit and go home, if they are at yours offer to let them sleep at couch or talk with them until the morning or whatever.
If you think it's a soft no and want to push further, just withdraw your hands a bit, keep it playful, make out some more if she's not resisting and try to carefully escale again bit later. If same thing happens, chill out and accept it.
Don't be vindicative towards her for saying no. You'll just create a shitload of enemies and ruin your reputation with girls in her social circle.
themackattack90 6y ago
Have you actually done this or are you just guessing? Come across as needy? By walking away? You don't get angry about it and make passive aggressive comments, you just blow it off. They more than likely think you're an asshole already. The whole redpill philosophy is about acting from a mindset of self-interest. That's why she's attracted to you to begin with. And she is going to feel bad about her decision, not about picking you, but about ruining it at the last minute.
I've never got a lot of soft nos. But when I did, I've never tried to re-escalate the same night. Defending yourself later from "he just wanted to fuck me and left when I said no" is way easier than defending yourself from "I said no but he pressured me until I gave in". The risk/reward isn't worth it. If you take her no at face value and she wants to fuck you, it's a huge pressure flip and she's going to panic.
She's might try to reengage sexually to try to regain value in your eyes. She's more like to try and flip it back on you with comments about how you only want sex from her, to which you say "You said no and it's 2am. I'm not going to watch infomercials with you and I have things planned for tomorrow so I'm going to get some sleep", or "Well I can run home and grab a shower and still make it to the bar to catch the Cubs game". However, the most common response is to do and say nothing as you leave because she can't handle the pressure and the next day try to reset and you casually remind her every now and then about how she was just leading you on and watch her come crawling back into your frame to try and save face.
Of course you don't be vindictive towards her for saying no. Almost all rejection should be met with indifference. The only time you react differently is if you are rejected from something that you earned and are owed, and you are never owed sex. Your reputation isn't going to take a hit at all. If you get confronted by somebody about it, you stay calm and explain the truth. If you get the old "I never thought you were the type of guy to treat a girl like shit just because she didn't want to have sex with you." Calmly reply "If she didn't want to have sex, how come we ended up naked in her bed? We had a lot of chemistry and I had a great time with her and we both wanted sex and then at the last minute she decided she'd rather play games instead. That was a warning sign for me so I removed myself from that situation. Now she's creating drama for the sake of it, which proved my instincts right. I have no issues with her, but I'm not interested in investing in a relationship with somebody who puts so much effort into playing games and creating drama." If you get pressed further just shut it down with "She created an awkward situation and I decided to remove myself from it." Just leave it at that. If you're truly high value, you aren't going to ruin your reputation with her friends, they're going to laugh at her behind her back for fucking up her chance.
DF-RP 6y ago
Super passive agressive. You have been having fun with them, getting along well, got them over to your place / went over to theirs... start making out... and then when she says "We should stop" or "No..." when you touch her breast you go "Okay, cool. Uhh, would you mind ordering an Uber and going home?". Yeah, I'm sure that goes down well.
And yes, I've hard freeze-out'd a few girls after they came over and went hard-no, and it never recovered from there. Women don't take that kind of rejection well.
That's your choice. However, if a girl is saying 'we should have sex' and you go "Oh but I tried before and you said no, so no we won't!" it definitely comes across as petty and trying to get back at her. It's obvious you wanted sex, now you are just being vindicative.
My personal experience would suggest you leave a shitload of pussy on the table and the girls think less of you when your go-to is gtfo at the first soft verbal resist. If she gives you a soft no to trying to open her pants but still is totally fine with you licking her neck and caressing her breasts, that no will usually go away with 15 minutes more of makeout. I've literally had girls go "no... we shouldn't... I have a boyfriend abroad" to kissing bit more to "I'll blow you, but that's all we'll do" to "I want you inside" over a very very very short time period.
Note - I never persist on doing what she literally told me not to do, I just go one step back to things she is okay with.
Have you EVER actually had that situation? Because that sounds like something from fiction novel. You won't get your fair chance to tell your story. She'll have the story out before you can react in her pretty version to all her friends before you even know what happened. "If she didn't want to have sex, how come..." is putting blame on her. That never goes well with females, and makes you look like a bitter player. Also talking in general about women and your escapades is going to lower your value. This is just bad advice overall.
If you are afraid of accusations and think that withdrawing immediately protects you, go ahead and do that. Just make sure you keep the lady comfortable so she doesn't go nuclear on you later. And remember, at the end of the day, even if you stop and leave immediately, if she wants to fuck you up it's a he-said-she-said situation. She can come up with ANYTHING a year later and you'll have 0 proof that it didn't happen. Worst case, you weren't even alone in the same spot but you don't have an alibi.
themackattack90 6y ago
You're jumping to a lot of conclusions and changing scenarios to try to make your argument look better. You're talking about just making out on the couch and I'm talking about completely naked and have been consensually escalating for a while. If you're just making out and she gives a soft no, then send some texts or start paying more attention to the movie until she re-engages. There was one specific time that I was given a soft no after I met a girl for dinner and we went back to my place and things escalated, I said "Fair enough, I can respect that. Listen, I'm gonna jump in the shower Friend and I usually play pool on Friday after he gets off work." I got in the shower, she joined me. The message isn't "you need to leave" it's "I'm busy and you better make the most of the time available because who knows when the next time will be".
And I did actually have that situation once. She was a coworker of a friend, we had a handful of mutual acquaintances, she was probably an HB6 but a spoiled princess with a dad who came from oil money. We ended up at her place at the end of the night. She was naked and I was down to my boxers. I grabbed her hands to put them on my waist and slide them down and she pushed my stomach and said she wasn't the type of girl or something. I looked her up and down once with a "you serious?" expression and she looked back with the sort of sheepish but defiant look. I looked at the clock and said "fair enough, you have my number right?" and grabbed my pants and she asked me if I was leaving and I said "I have to be at work in 6 hours, I had fun though, text me tomorrow." She just sat there with an open jaw. She started talking shit the next day and the day after some of my friends met up and one of the girls asked me about it because she was saying that I got pissed when she rejected me and started yelling and other things that were way out of character for me. I remember using the phrase "she wanted me to beg for it and that just kinda ruined the moment for me." And I remember explaining that I didn't leave because she wouldn't have sex, I left because it was late. Sex would have kept me there, but I wasn't pissed that I didn't get it. Some of them looked skeptical, but her female coworker who was her closest friend in the group said something like "that sounds like some shit that she would pull" and that was the end of it. She hung out with us a few weeks later and made a real ass of herself and the whole group just ignored her after that and if there were any lingering doubts about me they were definitely gone after that.
batfish55 6y ago
In California, the legal system requires "enthusiastic affirmative consent." That's why I spend most of my time at MGTOW2. Can't play the game safely.
Kyogata 6y ago
Yeah. I was with a women on afternoon in my apartment. We'd been on some dates and we were kissing and fondling. I started to take her underwear off - her dress was already off. She said 'no' and gently pushed my hand away.
The next week we met again and after some small talk she asks,' The other day, when I said no, why didn't you try again?' I told her that I respect her and 'no means no'. She then said that id I'd tried again, she would have said yes. So I took her home. She didn't say no this time.
Another time, after sex, a woman said, 'I'd better be going home now.' I said 'OK,' and we got out of bed and got dressed. I said I'd walk her to a taxi and she burst into tears and ran away.
Again, some time later we met again among a group of friends and I asked her why she ran away like that. She said that she'd wanted me to ask her to stay.
To be honest, I don't play those games. Don't want to get sucked into being expected to read and understand female double-speak, and I certainly don't want to get involved in any weird accusations should things go wrong. So I just take women at their word. If that means things don't go according to plan, then so be it. I think, in the end, women respect that more.
TruthSeekingPerson 6y ago
Look at what women do and not what they say.
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99ThotsBtMyBtchAint1 6y ago
Who the fuck actually even asks for consent out loud? It's not normal at all just no one wants to admit it.
I can't remember any time that I actually had to ask for sex, if I start getting physical and she pulls away or deadpan stares it's a no.. If she's into it it's obvious with body language.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
You don't ask, you do and she says no.
DF-RP 6y ago
Quite often women will say something along the lines of "we shouldn't do this..." "I'm not ready to have sex" or other "soft no"s in middle of making out with you in your bed when you try to escalate.
If that's not combined with them obviously de-escalating/going cold, it's usually going to be one of those nos that mean you just need to slow down a bit, take your hand out of her pants and make out for few minutes longer and they'll practically be tearing your pants off.
Obviously though, if they pull back or repeat the no even after more making out, don't cross any lines. If she doesn't want to go all the way, she doesn't want to and you don't force it on her. I've had a girl full naked in bed, she blew me, I made her come multiple times and when I suggested grabbing a condom she said no, and it was pretty clear there's no consent for full sex. Respect that.
alittletoosmooth 6y ago
Yup. "I'm gonna grab a condom" is usually forward enough to force the issue, if you aren't sure.
sebastianconcept 6y ago
Plot twist:
A “soft no” can be a man’s way to shit-test low quality woman.
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Sbidl 6y ago
If you're a good looking man, that is
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KiseiJoker 6y ago
This is just like a feminist saying "all women should turn lez. That'll teach 'em".
It's sad to watch Red Pill and MGTOW are slowly devolving into women hatred movement like feminism today, only reverse in sex.
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PartyDucky 6y ago
Truth be told, soft "no" really means yes. However, the girl that said the soft "no" actually told me after: "but I said "no", why did you continue?" Even though she enjoyed it and even proceeded to finish me off. I'm done with this soft "no" bullshit, if she says no, I'm hopping on my motorcycle and riding into the sunset away from that.
MasculineDevelopment 6y ago
I agree 100%. This is why the "Yes means yes" consent laws are so fucking dangerous. They don't leave any room for subtlety. If a woman says "no" while she's laughing, giggling, and/or touching your chest, it usually means: "I'm not sure, but keep trying, and it will probably happen." The world of sexual dynamics is a world of NUANCE, not binary decision making processes. Socially retarded SJW's fail to understand this.
comu_nacho 6y ago
Before TRP, a girl told me exactly this. I backed off the moment she said no. Months later, she she accused me of not trying hard enough. I told her she had told me to stop, and I respected her wishes, besides at the moment there was a whole thing about consent in our university going on, so I couldn't afford appearing as forcing myself on her in any degree. Her exact words "Yeah, I get that, but you should have insisted after I said no..." She was interested, but wanted a chase, and old beta me couldn't provide.
Man, a few weeks before this conversation the student union had a 4-week strike to impose a whole "consent protocol" where they could remove teachers and students if there were any accusations of sexual misconduct, even before an investigation was completed. And I should foretell that this time was ok to to against an explicit no, 'cause she meant it as a maybe.
I even knew later she was trying to monkey branch to me when that happened. A "toxic boyfriend", as far as I know, a fake alpha, insecure and abusive, and she wanted out, but needed where to land first. TRP principles never fail.
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KiseiJoker 6y ago
what if she says 'no' only twice then?
vicious_armbar 6y ago
In other words: 50 no's and a yes still means yes.
papertowelfreethrow 6y ago
"50 no's and a yesh, means yesh."
omega_dawg93 6y ago
why do guys like MILFs?
my opinion: guys don't like MILFs bc they're actually hotter than young(er) women. guys like MILFs because at the FANTASTIC age of about 35, all the covert, "i'm just an innocent lil princess," communication goes out the door, and the OVERT, "i'm a grown woman and i need dick" communication becomes more prevalent.
to me, it's not the physical attributes of the MILF, it's the communication and, "say what you mean and mean what you say," attitude that can make a guy RELAX emotionally... which gives more energy to him physically.
if a woman tells me "no," one, single, time... for the rest of the night, she's WORKING to gain my sexual attention because i STOP, COMPLETELY at the instant the word, "no," is said. again... she has to only say it one.single.time.
what i've found is that if you do this, she won't play those "does he desire me" games using the word, "no." and ANY lawyer, if she later decides she didn't REALLY want to fuck, will only need that statement of no one time to nail you in court.
tl;dr: MILFs don't play these "no" games. but if ANY woman says, "no," one time, put your dick away and let her do 100% of the sexual escalation moving forward.
FollowerTRP 6y ago
Works only on girls below your SMV. I agree and tested it many times.
Try to game a very hot girl with the approach like that. You will not make it happen. I would never have sex with those if I did not push through barriers
omega_dawg93 6y ago
that's my way... and that's what i do. you can do whatever you want.
IDGAF about smv... and neither does any judge. if she told you "no" one time, a good rebuttal isn't, "well i pushed right thru that.”
Shadow_Of_ 6y ago
I don't need this no means no even if it means yes
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Mouad69 6y ago
Ikr, like if she changes her mind good luck telling the judge that you read a post on reddit that said no means yes fuck me.
Whopper_Jr 6y ago
“But your honor, look how many upvotes”
kaikaipanda 6y ago
非诚勿扰 - no sincere no disturb
PepinoSF 6y ago
Different cultures need different approaches. If Chinese chicks need more assertive approach, this may not look quite appropriate for the Western bitches and they may sue.
What i would do is to try kino instead of talking. Talks in this moment, especially asking for permission to grab her by the pussy is a loose-loose situation, and the dude will like outright looser
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FinancialElephant 6y ago
A moment of silence for Chinese males worldwide. They have to go through all this just to fuck a shrill prepubescent-looking harpy.
vplatt 6y ago
And thanks to Chinese birth policies and the practices that resulted from it, they get to say "thank you! may I have another?" as well. It may as well have been called "BluePillUnism".
ZerglingKingPrime 6y ago
Asian women are statistically more desired than white women in the U.S.
doomedrig 6y ago
It would've been beta had the dude tried to bargain after she said no, him failing her shit test actually increased her attraction to him because it's a display of security. Similarly if she says no to sex let her have it her way until she begs you for it. This doesn't mean to turn your back on her but use push-and-pull play to keep her engaged.
throwlaca 6y ago
A "No" means "Yes, but I said no first, so I reserve the right to call this abuse to get money from you, not now but maybe in 30 years when you actually have money"
Nicolas0631 6y ago
WHo care ? Either it is recorded either it doesn't count. Anyway this isn't like she couldn't lie that she said no and you didn't stop. 30 years laters proofs are long gone.
throwlaca 6y ago
Oh boy, you better get ready for the bitter reality of lawsuits.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
How big you experience there? You got 10, 20, 100 lawsuits or none ?
How many relative and close friend do you know who had lawsuits because of that ? Where you aware of the details and how important it was to consider a No as a No in the final ruling ? Did it matter all or could she just invent things as there were not witnesses anyway ?
KiseiJoker 6y ago
You must be a type of person who acknowledges the danger of explosives only if you watched someone close to you had died because of them.
Seriously though what you are saying is like; WHo cares? Have you got any friends or relatives had been in trouble because of false accusation? If no, we should be half-naked when women accuse us as rapists because sometimes no means yes!
What a brilliant logic lol.
Nicolas0631 6y ago
Often you are actually already half nacked when she says no. You already kissed her, sucked her breasts and you are both half nacked then she says no when you want to finger or peneatre her.
And yesfor explosives, gazoline & alcool are explosives. The batteries in your smartphone can and do actually explode. Some phone were even removed because of the risk. And you do put them near to your head when you use them and have them on you most of the time.
And yes, I am sure that you follow the rules and shut down your smartphone before going to the petrol station, and I am sure you never approach your car with a lighter because it is so dangerous.
Reality is you live your life. The next human being you encounter could decide to murder you and reality is that if they really want it, it is almost impossible for you to prevent that. If they are smart they can even get away with it not being caught (resolution rate isn't even 50% for most juridictions).
It is more likely you die in a car accident that being me-tooed. If you prefer to be paranoid and to not live your life because of all such things, whell that your right... But that's not necessarilly the best strategy. You'll simply lose most of what life has to offer to be on the safe side.
You see I have heard of people that died in car accident. I know many that got heavily hurt in a motorbike accident. I heard of people that died of an heart attack while playing football at 25. I heard of many people getting cancer and I know some that got it at early age. There lot of thing that people do not care that much off that are quite common.
I don't know of anybody that got false rape accusation neither me-tooed. How many do you know ? And how many do you know that where involved in a car accident or died by a cancer ? Still do you still smoke or drink alcool or eat smoked meat ? Do you get a full check-up to be sure you don't have a cancer (30% you'll die of that) and if you have it is cured before it is too late ? Not just going to the doctor but checking specifically for that ?
My bet is you routinely take many more risks than this "no mean no" thing but that for some reason this one you consider it very important.
redpill77 6y ago
It's a transference of responsibility. A woman wants you to take responsibility for everything. Redpill men know that she could say no 900 times, but if she's not de-escalating things or disengaging she still wants more.
The 'no' could mean that she wants to be sure you have assessed the entire situation well enough--including all her worries: being caught, how she'll get home, can you stop if it hurts her, etc--that you know nothing will go wrong. If she does get caught by her boyfriend, or gets pregnant, there must be someone who's responsible.
Also, women will say 'no' just to see that you will respect that. For her own safety she has to know that you have the self control to pause things if she's uncomfortable, she's literally giving you her body to play with as you please, and you could probably kill her if you wanted to. If she's not crazy, she's not expecting violence, but she probably is hoping for rough sex, and there is risk of injury there. She needs to know you are attentive to her needs.
If a woman really wants something to stop, she will be uncomfortable being physically close to you. This can present in many ways, such as saying she has to go, some more subtle, such as avoiding eye contact. If she's normal, compliance and eye contact are great indicators to continue. If she's crazy or manipulative: well, just take the smallest red flags seriously.
avtarius 6y ago
THIS.
By not giving definitive answers, basically not being decisive at all, they can blame another party for any negative outcomes of decisions made, while never giving credit for the positive.
They never want to feel guilty of being wrong, they don't want the negative effects of responsibility.
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Luckyluke23 6y ago
does anyone ask why that is?
retardedwhiteknight 6y ago
if a woman says no then its no. i dont care how it said or what it meant, you know woman can change their mind after sex or after something they didnt want to happen and claim you right? dont play their games because “play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
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RightHandWolf 6y ago
Exactly. By walking away or getting dressed or calling it a night, you are doing ye olde agree and amplify, plus you are displaying higher value via the abundance mindset. She is left wondering just how many other options you have available, and is now wondering if she screwed up her one chance at bat with you.
ozyastro 6y ago
The no doesn't mean no if it's said once only applies if your in a relationship tbh. I doubt that would end nicely if it's some random thot in your bed you met on the fourth of july.