Over countless posts here and on AskTRP, lifting has been suggested as the first and foremost piece of advice to any problem our fellow men encounter, and rightly so! There are many benefits to weightlifting, but first lets analyse what it actually entails.
Lifting weights is a simple activity. You grab something, lift it up, lower it down and repeat. Every now and then you increase the mass of the object you lift to become stronger, to grow your muscles, to look better. But why?
Lifting weights as a complex situation spread across time, is an exemple of a goal driven activity with no clear goal, seemingly oriented to act as a journey to nowhere. Paradox right? Let me explain...
Even with the clearest form of physique or strength level goal you can imagine, the outcome of lifting weights is more or less unpredictable. Sure, you can bench press 150kg, squat 220 and feel like a beast but you rarely stop at that. Some men stop weightlifting at some point either because they become too big, their bodies are too fucked or they cannot progress any further.
These are all important milestones of a journey with no end. You might say: "Hey, but you just wrote that they stop lifting, how is this a milestone and not the end of the journey you dumb fuck?!".
You rarely see satisfied ex-weightlifters, or any physically active specimens whose current progress to a goal has been stopped, unless they switched to another goal they are currently obsessing over.
Lifting is suggested as a seemingly "fix-all" solution because it is a very simple representation of work towards a goal. You lift, you get stronger, you add more weight, until you collapse or stall. What it subconsciously teaches us, is the mindset of a never ending journey. Our minds, as men, are geared towards goals. More specifically, they are geared towards a constant search of goals, which are then achieved and replaced by other goals, in a never ending cycle. Of course, I mean men who are not couch potatoes living in a constant state of search for comfort, but I think we can agree they are not really men, more like avatars of men, waiting to be woken up.
We all asked ourselves a simple question: "What is my purpose here on this earth?" And frankly, it doesn't fucking matter what it is! Look at people such as Elon Musk, Bill gates, Jeff Bezos or any successful guy for that matter. They are rich, can have women, fast cars, more-than-comfortable life and "happiness", yet they often grind 16h days 7 days a week. They search, analyse and accomplish more and more complex goals, very fucking successfully.
Even though they might say in interviews: "My purpose in life is to make the world a better place... Blah, blah, blah". Horseshit! The truth is, none of us have a grandiose purpose. We are guided and motivated by the journey across time, from one goal to another. Our confidence, self-esteem and transitively, social market value are based on how well we progress on this journey. And again, there is no end to it! You have no idea what will happen in a week, month or a year, and therefore you have even less of a clue as to what your "purpose" is.
So brothers, lift! But don't stop at that. Learn the lesson this simple piece of advice is meant to convey: the fact that you as a man are on a never ending journey of goals and achievements. It doesn't matter what they are, how easy or difficult they are or how long a part of the journey will take.
You will never feel fully accomplished with your purpose achieved, no matter how successful you are, and you shouldn't want to feel like that. The journey gives you purpose in itself.

Mikael_Snake 6y ago
Since I've been bodybuilding for the last 3 years, the amount of women who just throw themselves at me is ridiculous. Women objectify men more than we objectify women! I've been groped so many times in my work place, fucking double standards.
Vegasman20002 6y ago
I have been RP for two months, and lifting. I had an epiphany about this topic today. It builds confidence, and that in turn helps build frame an OI. and for the first time I felt t after lifting today.
Wish I started years ago. The saying "the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now" applies here for sure
bsutansalt 6y ago
I only have one qualifier to this thread:
If you are obese, getting slim should be your #1 goal. Hitting the gym is a given, but your focus needs to be on getting shredded before big, otherwise you just look even fatter as you gain muscle. In terms of being attractive to women getting big before getting slim may well have a deleterious effect on your perceived attractiveness.
HeadingRed 6y ago
If I only had a dollar every time a fat guy said "got a lot of muscle underneath" I could retire. Fat + muscles better than just fat - not as good as lean with muscle. Yeah there is always that girl that goes for the monster biker guy at 275 who can lift - you can have them.
If your the big guy with muscles and it's working for you - great. Get back to me when you pass 50 years old and let me know how its going.
ACE-JHN 6y ago
I completely agree, start by being lean then add the muscle, the muscle you gain will be much more visible even if you are skinny fat CUT FIRST !
reasonableman1 6y ago
That's not what studies show. They found that women prefer men with more muscle even when fatter (when fat is held constant), but in general, loosing fat will have a much bigger impact on attraction.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 6y ago
I've cut from 21% to 17% and the difference in facial aesthetics is significant. I get much stronger IOIs suddenly. Cant wait til 12%.
reasonableman1 6y ago
I was trying to say that for the same levels of fat, more muscle increases attraction. Gaining muscle when fat will not decrease your attractiveness.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 6y ago
You are right, though its best to go on straight onto a cut when you are fat. Losing the fat is more important that gaining the muscle. Also losing fat is much faster. You can also still gain strength/muscle slowly while on an aggressive 1000 calorie cut, if you use IF 20:4 and 150g protein.
reasonableman1 6y ago
That's a great point. The amount of improved attractiveness gained by losing 20 lbs can be accomplished within a couple of months at worst. Gaining another 10 lbs of muscle can be more than a year, especially as you get older.
bsutansalt 6y ago
It entirely depends on the starting body fat levels. 20% or less I suspect won't have a negative impact whereas 30% or more probably will.
thebadguy89 6y ago
lifting weights is like the one thing that is going ok in my life right now lmao
stoicbotanist 6y ago
I once felt that way til I had a recurring injury.
Some day soon I'll get back in the gym.
I have no excuse for not doing legs though, if I'm being honest
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DarkNights292 6y ago
same but progress still slow so lol
VaN__Darkholme 6y ago
Do not fucking be a little bitch boi beginner like the ones at my gym. Do not fuck around doing isolations and accessories. Focus on compound movements, pick a good program (r slash fitness wiki). 5/3/1 for beg or Reddit PPL are noice. Eat above TDEE. ez
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iloveyoudeft 6y ago
Are you saying never do shit like curls? I seriously hate doing deadlifts cause I do them and want to leave as soon as I'm done. What should I look up for a good program? Also it'd be nice if it told me an amount of weight that I should be doing per rep based on my 1 rep max.
reluctantly_red 6y ago
There is no right answer to this question. Lots of folks here swear by low rep high weight programs. Personally I feel these are a surefire way to burn out and/or get injured. Lower weight (or body weight) and higher rep programs are the way to go for many guys.
VaN__Darkholme 6y ago
No, any worthy program will have accessories built-in. I am saying you shouldn't focus on accessories but focus on the compounds. The accessories should be accessories. Go to the fitness subreddit, the wiki and the people there would be able to help you out more than I can.
Fm661 6y ago
I disagree, although compounds are needed for size aesthetics are built in the use of accessories...
Shoulders for example, yes you’ll get bigger shoulders with military press but to have truly aesthetic shoulders you need to do lateral raises both side and front, add in ez bar raises and depending on it maybe some cables. You’ve got a whole workout that is based on accessories that are arguably more pertinent than the compound.
iamanalterror_ 6y ago
Nope. Compounds trump every time. That's why they're called accessories: they are accessories to your main lifts.
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JamPetrarka 6y ago
I never do isolations and I guarantee I could shit on your chest while You curl and cry.
TBtgoat 6y ago
You also never deadlifted over 3 plates you weak ass pussy
Yoasted 6y ago
I mean your comment is a little off based about compounds being for fat people. They are for strong people. But i have no doubt that you can look much better doing just isolations than someone doing just compounds. I have tons of friends who use gear (including myself) who look phenomenal and they dont squat or deadlift. I do isolations and conpounds and they still look better than me. So i get what youre saying.
kentaro- 6y ago
And you probably weigh 150 ya skinny lil cunt
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INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
Hhhhmmm. You know, I opened this post ready to say 'yeah, another fucking lifting post'.
However, OP, I like this one. It made me realise that lifting has become a love of the 'journey'.
Once I found Red Pill, I realised how important lifting was. There really wasn't any excuse not to take it seriously. Not so much for women or approval. More because I have a 'never say die' attitude and the thought of rationalizing, justifying and hamstering not needing to lift disgusted me.
'It's only about facial looks. It's only about having a great personality. I've once seen a hot girl with a skinny guy. Gym bros are retarded. You only need money and status, and -' shut the fuck up.
The journey of lifting has given me a lot. First, that moment when I stepped up and accepted reality. I want as much freedom and power in my life? Time to step up and lift with seriousness.
Then, the necessary obstacles. The moments when my first programs stalled. When fuck arounditis kicked back in. When I didn't see gains. Then taking my ass right back in a lifting harder than I had in months.
Researching different programs, getting over the stumbling blocks. Seeing and feeling the results.
It's been like unlocking a code for my body. What works, why it works and how to do it.
Then as the quote says (which I can't remember exactly) 'The Iron Church is the only place that will never lie to you or fuck you around. A 100 pound weight is always a 100 pound weight'.
No matter what is going on in my life and no matter what women are doing, the gym is the one place that remains consistent. The one place I can give my all to and get the same stuff in return. It's there, exactly the same and never changing. It's always willing to give me a return on my investment.
No matter what shit women want to play, I know I'm always a step ahead in life. Why? Because I lift.
I greatly look forward to more intensive routines, harder lifts and even heavier weights.
It's been great in the last few weeks having a few people say 'you're looking really good'.
FereallyRed 6y ago
The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Iron and the Soul
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
That's the shit. Thanks mate.
A lot of people ask why I go to the gym. To get women? To look good? Blah blah
It's something different to all of that. I always wanted to 'be different', break the mold. For how I look approaching forty, the gym has given me back a lot.
plumo123 6y ago
Great to hear you have the right mindset. At some point, you will really stall, everyone does. Don't get depressed or frustrated, simply find another thing that you can obsess about ;)
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
Thanks for the heads up. I think it will be enjoyable learning different lifts over time.
I think if I don't make it only about 'Omg I need to get bigger and bigger', there should be enough to keep me interested.
Definitely always need balance, though.
TheFlyingPro 6y ago
The very idea of “fix-all” solution is a blue pill concept.
But aside from the bad words choice, this is a really good post. Have my upvote.
plumo123 6y ago
Which is why the whole post is about how not to settle on lifting and to constantly seek new goals.
CorruptedKnight0 6y ago
I would say that while lifting doesn't fix everything, it is one of the most cost-effective activity among the rest, it gives you a little bit of everything by consuming little of your time that is going to be wasted anyways.
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Others like getting into a hobby that you're passionate about in life, is far more important and will inch you closer to a purposeful, self-fulfilling life but it takes time for it to build up to something that has effect in life.
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Lifting might give slow results externally (8% to 12% is attainable but its better to take your time) but the other benefits which is the more important stuff came earlier when you begin. Few of them including:
And many more!
Ma_Junior213 6y ago
I am training muay thai for 1 year now and I feel great, with all the confidence and testosterone boosted and I'm pretty lean but I do not look like a bodybuilder at all, especially in winter ehen I wear a lot of clothes. Should I change martial arts for lifting (I must say that I'm pretty stronger than some buffed guys I know as I beat them in wrestling, arm wrestling and random exercises). I read all about lifting on the red pill but not much about martial arts. What do you think?
DarkMountain666 6y ago
I'd say stick with martial arts and go all out with them. Way more effective.
plumo123 6y ago
The whole point of the post is that lifting is only one way of getting yourself into the correct mindset. If you train something else and you see progress, keep going. As long as you set yourself goals and achieve them, you're golden!
frangistan 6y ago
If your mind drifts between sets, I'd recommend a copy of Marcus Aurelius' Meditations that's been chopped into 'verses.' Reading a verse between sets keeps me focused and stops me from jumping in too soon.
lookoutitscaleb 6y ago
"It's not about where you're going, it's about the ride. "
olsing 6y ago
Man i opened this post to find boring list of reasons why lifting is so great. Instead you seeded in my mind meaning of life. I fuking hate you because I don't have any excuse to be lazy now.
But also thank you.
IRunYourRiver 6y ago
On a much finer scale, I honestly think there's a lot to be learned from walking up to a barbell thinking "I don't know if I can lift this" and then giving it a shot anyhow. TRP asks us to get outside of our comfort zone and this is a very controlled way of doing that.
MasterShake777 6y ago
For me, it's all about the pump. I love listening to metal and squeezing out those last reps and then looking huge as fuck in the mirror after. Weight and reps don't matter anymore. Bodybuilding as a hobby is awesome.
Looking_4_Stacys_mom 6y ago
"When you're in the gym, you're a somebody. When you're not, you're a nobody."
Snowaey 6y ago
Yeah bro, the process of just moving a weight is so satisfying
peacemakerzzz 6y ago
Totally fuck with metal at the gym. Slipknot’s Psychosocial always gets me going on my first set.
DarkMountain666 6y ago
I recommend listening to "Sulfur" from them too, goes hard as fuck.
Piediver 6y ago
What bands are you listening to?
MasterShake777 6y ago
Sabaton, Blind Guardian, Judas Priest, and Krisiun.
TheEgyptianConqueror 6y ago
Sabaton ist fucking fantastic for working out
celincelin 6y ago
No Manowar = no metal and you know that.
black-serpent-dragon 6y ago
Try Immolation too. Huge, chunky riffs.
Coumadin12 6y ago
Try Meshuggah as well. It's brutal shit. I've also found Tool is amazing while doing cardio, too - it puts me in a trance-like state and I lose track of how much time has gone by. Epic.
AdeHMar 6y ago
Listen to Enshine, King Goat and Epica.
They are great for the gym.
Jinzagon 6y ago
Add the browning and amon amarth, you will thank me.
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Jinzagon 6y ago
They are UNREAL in training. Carnage, Save the world, Gravedigger.
Outlawe 6y ago
Lifting works better than it should because we live in a super safe environment. Lifting alone doesn’t actually make you a better provider, or a better genetic example of the ideal. Yet because you won’t be challenged by many other males because you’re more physically intimidating, and you set off the tingles with women because you appear to be the carrier of stronger genes than your peers, if you lift, you are lifting yourself to the top of the hypergamy tree.
It is especially powerful because less than 10% of men lift consistently. It seems in the US, far less than 10% these days are in great shape. So it’s not everything, but it’s a very efficient way to outcompete.
Money, power and social proof are all valuable, but achieving these things take time and effort. Lifting takes very little time and effort The bonus is that lifting makes achieving money power and social proof easier to achieve.
So yeah, lift.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
This can't be over-emphasized. Lifting is a cheat code into the female psyche, which is why they deny that they are turned on by well built dudes.
boofXANAXeveryday 6y ago
Must be nice to be redpilled in America. Where I'm from about 50% of men are in great shape, the rest are mostly skinny. Being fat is pretty rare here (but still socially acceptable, unlike in China)
dowild 6y ago
Where are you from that 50% of all men are in 'great' shape? Eastern Europe?
Yung_Ekko 6y ago
I fucked my back when I was gyming in highschool and have been too scared to join back because my back still hurts. I can barely sit up straight, i always have my arm proping myself up.
I literally feel like im going to snap in half. Feel week as shit, muscles are all imbalanced. Swiming is the only thing ive found not to hurt joint and back.
Any advice guys? I just turned 20, im 5'7 @ 127lbs
endertheend 6y ago
You either have Piriformis syndrome (easy to fix actually. . .do those clamshells. . .youtube it if you don't know)
Or you have a Disc issue, some can be fixed without surgery, some need you to have your spine fused(which means game over for you). Seeing as you can function in day to day life, you probably don' t have a spine problem . . .BUT you should get checked out anyway.
BlameitonBigDave 6y ago
Chiropractor or physiotherapist, see a GP - if you're only 20 and you're suffering that much, which if you can barely sit up straight, sounds to me like you are, seek medical assistance to see what's going on. There's no way you can live in that condition for the next 20 or even 40 years of your life.
DarkNights292 6y ago
Lifting has improved my confidence and self esteem somewhat
Dls95405 6y ago
Not to mention that it strengthens your bones, staving off osteoporosis and studies are now showing that it reverses aging in musculature, up to a point. Lean and muscular may be the optimal condition for health as well as attractiveness to women.
MessianicJuice 6y ago
Most things we find sexually attractive imply superior health. It's an evolution thing
Dls95405 6y ago
Yes, of course. My point is the hulk look is not what women are most attracted to, it's the lean and muscular look. Study after study show the same results... women prefer lean and strong and the taller the better
https://www.spring.org.uk/2018/07/attractive-body-shape-men.php
ZerglingKingPrime 6y ago
8-12% bodyfat should be the real goal, and any more muscle added on top of that is icing on the cake.
ACE-JHN 6y ago
Realest shit, low bodyfat is key for sex appeal
isthisalreadyused 6y ago
Everybody has their own goals. I personally would rather be 15%-18% and be BIG rather than look skinny and, well, weak.
Think tank not twink
ZerglingKingPrime 6y ago
You're allowed to look however you want man but this is a discussion of sexual strategy and women simply prefer low BF/lean guys. And I'm not sure about your notion about being big with high bf. Everyone has a genetic limit to the amount of lean muscle mass they can put on, so if you're talking about getting there then putting on more fat just to look bigger, I disagree but go ahead. I never said anything about saying skinny. Have you seen zac efron in Baywatch? That's at 5% BF, and also a lot of girls would tell you even that is too much muscle. Nobody is looking at that body and saying he's a twink.
isthisalreadyused 6y ago
You may be right, but the gap is a lot smaller than you think, as far as girls preferring low bf. Sure, that Efron look is great and ideal, but I promise you you won’t get there with a good amount of gear. I have no problem with roiding and I’m doing so right now, but most here won’t, and won’t achieve ever achieve that look. No point in using that body as an example
NorthEasternNomad 6y ago
If you lift, regularly, even when you don't feel like it, in a disciplined manner...then you know why.
If you dont, then go learn.
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plumo123 6y ago
Have you read the post or just skimmed it? The whole point of it was that even if you can't lift, for whatever reason, you should still have the journey oriented mindset.
You don't have to lift. I had the same problem with my back. Few months of newbie squatting and deadlifts with no form did it for me. Pins and needles in my leg, shooting nerve pain, tightness in the lumbar spine. Turned out to be a bulging disk. Got some physio for it, then moved onto really intense stretching, and I mean 1-2h a day.
Also, if you sit down a lot, chances are your hip flexors are tight as fuck, which ultimately leads to problems with your back.
I had a 4 months break from lifting because of it. That didn't stop my journey, it just diverged it onto another path. I dived into my work a lot more now that I had the time, read more books, educated myself.
Stretching itself became another goal. Can I hold this position for 3 more seconds than yesterday? Can I do a 2h session instead of 1.5h? It became yet another part of the journey, something that was beneficial for me and something that I could obsess over as well.
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plumo123 6y ago
If that's what you've taken out of the community then maybe its time to leave it
SemperPrimus 6y ago
thank you for this. There isn't enough "Go lift weights" posts on here.
frooschnate 6y ago
There has been plenty the past 5 years.
Rasheediscool 6y ago
you missed the sarcasm here
frooschnate 6y ago
With the basic ass sidebar material posts I see lately my radar’s been way off.
bobbiebobberbob 6y ago
Dammit! That's it! I'm done! I'mma start lifting tomorrow!
rgr555 6y ago
It loses a lot of appeal after 8 years.. now it just about keeping strength bc losing strength is depressing which is inevitable
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Nighthawk_Black_ 6y ago
Do you not find lifting to be enjoyable?
DarkNights292 6y ago
Doing it to battle depression helps me somewhat.
rgr555 6y ago
its neutral. definitely not fun though. but i lift for many years, if i quit for months I'd still keep most of my muscle mass or get it back quick. im basically on "maintenance" mode. i maintain 90% of my max potential strength all around and try to make small gains here and there. after spending less gym time and caring about lifting more than 1.8x my body weight i bought a road bike and cycle for fun and other health benefits.
when I was going for 99-100% of my potential strength it was "fun" since the climb from 80(arbitrary start point) to 100% is constant progress. then you plateau and worry more about injury and how boring your diet has become.
im on same boat as brandon carter..he actually said he hates working out now but does it to maintain his physique.
i try and workout 3x a week, kinobody style. i lift very heavy for low reps on the 4 major compound movements and leave after 30 mins. if i want aesthetic gains it wont be in the gym anymore, it'll be about diet.
tldr: for the first 4 years it was fun and motivating and you feel "pumped" and psyched. after awhile its pretty boring but you've built so much muscle you want to keep it
CosbyTeamTriosby 6y ago
You're projecting. It's boring to you, and that's fine. I've been lifting for 17 years, natural. Although I wouldn't call it enjoyable as much as necessary to avoid mental collapse.
Sumsar01 6y ago
What your best lifts? You sound like you need some non-retard programming.
Neo_Natal 6y ago
Why is such a defeatist comment so highly upvoted?
My dude, lifting lost its appeal because you stopped having goals or didn’t know how to switch shit up. I’m 26 and have been lifting seriously for 10 years now. I’ve never gotten close to this level of apathy. Whether you’re striving to hit a certain weight/BF %, trying to hit a goal weight on a lift like squats, deads, bench, or trying to get faster at biking, running, swimming, etc there’s ALWAYS something to aim for. Even if you’re just lifting for vanity, you can always get bigger/nicer muscles. Whatever the case is, keep things fresh and new so it doesn’t “lose its appeal.” Or just get the fuck out of my weight room with that shitty attitude
Quantum_Jiraiya 6y ago
yeah there is always options to switch programming up too. Can cycle through powerlifting to bodybuilding to powerbuilding to olympic weightlifting or crossfit.
Vyze- 6y ago
He's not being negative, he's being realistic. There's truth in both mindsets and as long as everyone keeps on furthering themselves in one way or another, they are equally correct.
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LeftHookTKD 6y ago
After 8 yrs if he hasnt reached his genetic peak for muscle growth then he was doing something VERY wrong.
Neo_Natal 6y ago
I mean after 10 years I feel like I’m not even close to my peak. But I’ve also been setback with a shoulder surgery 4 years ago. And in my younger days I lifted to supplement basketball and other sports so I was more fitness oriented. Now I’m just trying to get as big and strong as possible. There’s always a new objective to find and achieve in the weight room. It’s only your fault for having a lack of creativity for getting bored in there.
misls 6y ago
Pick up a martial art then, you can still lift to maintain whilst doing so. Who knows, you might just love it.
rgr555 6y ago
yea boxing is on my bucket list
misls 6y ago
I'd recommend Muay Thai, but boxing is good too.
mrbasic- 6y ago
I recently picked up Muay Thai and it's been a fucking blast. My shins hurt like hell though
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Adventurous_Bandit 6y ago
Do it my man, you won't regret it!
After lifting for 7 or 8 years, I felt the same way. I've done Boxing (only for 8 months) & Judo (3 years now), switched the Boxing for Muay Thai (I grew up doing Taekwondo, I gotta use my legs) and picking up Martial Arts has been by far one of the best choices in my life.
I still lift, and believe it or not.. I've gotten stronger as time progresses.
P.S. If you or anyone reading this has any questions, don't hesitate to shoot me a message or ask the question here so others can benefit as well.
rgr555 6y ago
thinking about it but cycling has been taking a lot of my mental energy and will continue to do if i want any progress even if very minimal. to be honest, from what i've seen, the difference in skill/progress in cycling is MASSIVE compared to bodybuilding. its incredibly INSANE what level pro riders or even amateur Cat 1 cyclists ride at. For example, one of the best riders in nyc does the central park loop averaging 26mph for 4 laps, I can barely do 1 loop at 18mph (but I'm only 6 months in training). and to put into persepctive, on a bike, an increase of even 1mph faster is nearly impossible because you're already at your Vo2 max (heart rate at 160-170).
MMA/Boxing/MuayThai is def next though. i want to defend myself if need be.
cheers
Adventurous_Bandit 6y ago
Yes, I completely agree! I moved from doing the gym rat bodybuilding split routine to primarily a powerlifting routine while using some bodybuilding exercises as secondary exercises.
I used to do cycling, and it's definitely something I enjoyed very much, very mind-freeing. I have some of my buddies that do 20 to 30 miles everyday or every other day, can't remember but they put some crazy miles. It's definitely a stress reliever for them and something they love!
Yeah, MMA/Boxing/MuayThai any of those would do. Maybe try a couple classes of each if possible, then you'll know what you like. If all you wanna do is being able to defend yourself and rise to the occasion, I'd recommend finding a legit gym that offers a Krav Maga program.
Also, careful with the "McDojos" that just wanna take your money.
Take care brother!
isthisalreadyused 6y ago
Don't feel bad, those riders are almost certainly on PEDs, and it's impossible to compete if you're not.
peacemakerzzz 6y ago
Hey man. I’ve been lifting for 4 years now. I’m still on the journey to Mount Olympus (sick cunts, anyone?) However I am taking an interest and curiosity for Muay Thai. I don’t want to mess with my lifting habits tho I would love to incorporate Muay Thai as a cardio program, but also to learn more about the martial art. I don’t know if doing so would lose my physical aesthetic in favor of Muay Thai.
Adventurous_Bandit 6y ago
Hey man!
I completely agree with plumo123, couldn't have said it better.. and I mean all of it! Flexibility, agility, strength, reaction time, etc. Muay Thai won't mess with your physical aesthetics, it'll actually make them better! You'll get leaner, that's what happened to me and most friends that do both. It'll fix your posture, keeps you active, and it's great cardio! Also, to be honest.. it'll increase your confidence as well.
So, Muay Thai is great cardio, great way to complement your lifting routine, and a great thing to learn in case you ever get in a situation where you need to defend yourself or a love one. This last part might never happen, but the chances are still there. It's only happened twice in my life because I couldn't de-escalate the situation (guy really wanted to fight and wouldn't fuck off), so I solved it with a front kick to the chest. The other time, elbow to the face. I truly don't like conflict, but one must be ready if the situation arises, and that's why it's important (among other reasons) to learn something like Muay Thai or another fighting style.
If you do end up going for any Martial Arts, please keep us posted on your progress, perhaps make it a post in a few months.. it'd be cool to know how you like it and what the Pros & Cons have been so far. It would also serve as inspiration to others!
Apologies for the long response and best of luck!
peacemakerzzz 6y ago
Cheers. Will do. I’m planning on doing Muay Thai at least twice a week while I still focus on my split lift workouts at the gym.
plumo123 6y ago
If anything it will improve it. Think about it, at a typical split workout you use the typical muscle groups: quads, deltoids, bicep, tricep etc. Sum them all up and you'll have 50-60 muscles that are used. In martial arts, a lot of training works on your balance, utilising smaller stabilising muscles. Rotators, hip flexors... What would probably happens is that your posture and figure would massively improve, alongside agility, explosive strength and reaction times.
peacemakerzzz 6y ago
Well what about aesthetic physique? It’s definitely gonna slim down my figure
plumo123 6y ago
What's wrong with that? Women, believe it or not, also have preferences as to men's body type. Whilst you might not fit within the "buff" type, you will within the "althetic, tough guy" type. Don't try to tick all boxes of every woman ever. Do what makes your purpose sense tick
peacemakerzzz 6y ago
That makes sense. There’s nothing wrong with what I said. It’s just that my goals are not aligned with the athletic tough guy aesthetic. I just want to learn Muay Thai while staying incredibly lean. Well I guess I’ll give it a try.
Nonstopas 6y ago
However lifting isnt always a fix. I started lifting way before trp. I lifted for year and although it helped, what you really need to work on is your mind and how to boost your confidence and be happy with who you are.
If you are a 10/10 chad but have no confidence and feel like a piece of shit everytime, lifting will not help.
endertheend 6y ago
You need to left for at least three years just to get out of the Beginner phase and into the intermediate phase, 3-4 more to get closer to the advanced stage.
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But nevermind, don't do any of that, keep doing what you're doing, you're 10000000% right!
Also, anyone else who sees this comment and wants to use it as an excuse NOT to lift. . .Go ahead!
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Tmizit 6y ago
Yes lift for the sake of humanity, but don’t focus on weight too much. Take your time, don’t go all crazy if you just started lifting. Before benching always start with the little muscles, do enough pull excersizes to prepare your back and shoulders for benching. Do a warm up. May sound obvious but 90% of the guys I meet in the gym have fokked up shoulders bcs of impimgements to the point that they can’t even hold the barbell for squats, happened to me too. Had to give up on bench press for a year.
Another benefit, you will get stronger by training the small back and shoulder muscles with pulls, when I started benching again my gains increased much faster every month, without the pain in my shoulders.
I wish somebody had told me this before benching the shit out of myself.
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fuckGuilt 6y ago
As a former beta fag who you, yourself, shamed into investing in a barbell, can confirm.
Something about bodyweight fitness what your girlfriend did as a warm up, IIRC.
Nothing is more efficient at developing the ideal masculine form (read: v-taper) as barbells.
Even for an old dude like me.
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isthisalreadyused 6y ago
I love front squats, but I just can't properly hold the bar. My physiology - and tbh, my lack of flexibility - makes it hard. But yeah, front squats are great
AngelusAeternam 6y ago
It really is. I have sustained an injury and can't go to the gym for 3mo now and it is a bit depressing. Cannot wait to recover and go back to weights.
throwlaca 6y ago
I lift to feel good. My body feels more like a suit of lard if I don't lift for some weeks.
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At 40, my hands hurt, my herniated back don't allow me lots of movement, but I still lift. I look better than ever, though. If I could, I would like to have the time to do real lifting. Lifting takes time. No way around it. You have to put on the right clothes. Go to the gym. Do the lift, shower, change clothes, all in all, its *at least* 2 hours of a day in which I have 0 hours free. It is a sacrifice and I dont have time to do it. Wonder why people in prison are all in excellent shape even though they eat shit? they have time. I dream with the day in which I will have the time to lift more.
Sumsar01 6y ago
You dont need 2 hours a day. You can get very decent results with 1 hour 3-4 times a weak. Just push rest times 2-3 min.
ralstig 6y ago
https://youtu.be/pNdctm7js0M https://youtu.be/9SKuFe2SERs
Have you checked these out? Perhaps they could help with your back?
throwlaca 6y ago
Never realized that I could look for that...thanks!
EntropyForeverx 6y ago
Takes less than 30 min for me. Wear same clothes all day. Go to gym by car, dont change. Wear backpack with nothing in it to make them think you will change. Do exercises and go straight home.
throwlaca 6y ago
Lol, brutal.
I wish I could do that but I live with my kids and I have to set an example and not smell like a pig, or else they will also do it.
endertheend 6y ago
Then don't lift then. You say you may not have the time now (or don't want to find the time) then that's cool, However you'll have Plenty of time later (once the wife gets tired of your shit, divorces you for half your stuff and takes the kids) Then you'll have all the time you'll ever need.
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You Pay now, or you Pay(more) later. Your choice really.
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SunTzuWarmaster 6y ago
I'm not a fan of this post, but don't have the time to write a longer/better one, so please allow this fishbone post substitute for a full fish.
1 - If you lift you win. Period. Lifting is one of the few activities where there really is no failure - everyone out running is lapping everyone on the couch.
2 - Winning builds confidence. There are biochemical "winning" channels (see: JBP lobster seratonin), which activate confidence when you win.
3 - Humans need to aim at a goal. Humans need mastery. Humans need feedback on progress. These are the reasons that people play guitar all night - aiming at a goal and getting better is evolutionarily good. Lifting has fundamentally elements of all three (lift more, heavier weights - you know when you've done it and when you haven't).
4 - Men have muscles. Whatever your redpill or blackpill or MGTOW or evolutionary or Art of of Manliness definition of masculinity is - it ALWAYS includes "the men pick up the heavy things and fight what needs fighting". The average man is as strong as three average women in upper body strength. If you are a strong man - you are more masculine. "Weak man" is an insult in every culture for all history for a reason.
5 - Not lifting makes you weak. Period.
6 - Lifting boosts testostone and other sex hormones. There is some evidence that people can smell this and respond.
7 - Lifting is the fundamental self improvement activity. Lifting helps you, and it allows you to help others because you are strong.
8 - The strong are more useful than the weak. When choosing who to be around, all things being equal, people will choose to be around a strong man as opposed to a weak man. The stronger version of yourself is the better version of yourself on the practical and social level.
9 - Weight is the only obvious outward sign of discipline. Disciplined people are not fat.
10 - It is one of the areas of your life - physical, relationship, friendship, job, family, religion, finances. As per point (1), it is one of the only areas where effort=results. An hour of lifting improves you in a way that an hour of bible-reading or budgeting just doesn't. It is the easiest and quickest win.
11 - The gains STAY. It is actually kinda hard to lose muscle mass. It is much easier to be laid off, have a girl break up with you, or have an emergency that takes $10K. These can be caused via extraneous factors in a way that muscle mass loss isn't.
If you want to be a better version of yourself biochemically, hormonally, practically, and socially as part of a long term program - you need to lift weights and develop yourself.
"A well built physique is a status symbol. It reflects you worked hard for it, no money can buy it. You cannot borrow it, you cannot inherit it, you cannot steal it. You cannot hold onto it without constant work. It shows discipline, it shows self respect, it shows patience, work ethic and passion. That is why I do what I do." - Arnold
Piediver 6y ago
I lift to supplement my BJJ training. I’m much more interested in mobility and longevity. Getting bulkier and bulkier is a huge burden on your body and very few people can keep it up in the long run without gear. Plus i’m hearing from most women that the monster bodybuilding physique can be a turn-off.
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HornsOfApathy 6y ago
This is absolute bullshit.
My wife used to say she liked skinny guys. Cause I was.
Add 30lbs of lean muscle and she is now saying she likes "fit" guys.
If I add another 30 she will like muscular guys. Watch what they do not what they say.
BobbyPeru 6y ago
This. As I bulked up 10 pounds of muscle, going from 193 to 203 (6’1”), my wife kept saying she doesn’t want a husband “with bigger boobs than her.” I was already pretty muscular at 193. Here I am, added 50 pounds to my bench press and gains all around, and she can’t keep her hands off me. I guess she did want a man with “bigger boobs.”
I don’t get men saying they start losing strength. I turn 51 next month, and I’m stronger than ever. Some days my joints are sore, but I believe I have another 5-10 years of heavy lifting in me.
I’ve learned to enjoy the journey. I learned to love the pump and sweat pouring as I look around the gym , guys half my age lifting less because they aren’t giving it a solid effort.
iloveyoudeft 6y ago
Sounds like she likes u/HornsOfApathy guys.
delta_choke 6y ago
Epic advice for balancing BJJ and Lifting:
https://youtu.be/f8Vhi7SuFe8
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WaIcott 6y ago
Don’t listen to what they say, watch what they do. Almost all women prefer muscular, dominant physiques. When they say ‘he’s too bulky’ it’s because the guy is fat-strong or they’re spouting bs just so they don’t seem surface-level. No girl would turn down The rock or Jason momoa in favour of a guy with dadbod
555WeWolf 6y ago
This, this should be a regular quote here on TRP. The girl i am seeing now said that she likes guys with big arms, and yet my physic (strong chest, some body fat and strong legs) makes it look i have two sticks sticking out instead of arms.
Piediver 6y ago
I’m watching these super bulky 5x5 guys waddle around the gym all day with girls who are 3,4,5/10 and seeing lean, fit, low bf guys with all the honeys.
LongWangTheDragon 6y ago
That's because the only thing that matters is your face.
WaIcott 6y ago
Low bf% > muscle mass, but ideally you have both
Piediver 6y ago
I’m talking MMA fighter build vs. pro bodybuilder on steroids build.
Sumsar01 6y ago
You wont look like a pro-bodybuilder without something like growth hormone etc.
thewrecker8 6y ago
Another benefit of lifting which I haven't seen on here is it helps you get used to getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. Which imo is a big part of being a male opposed to female. Our lives are naturally harder than theirs when it comes to getting things in life. Lifting teaches you that if you want growth you need to force change.
You want a healthier, stronger body? You have to change. No more weed and video games. You start working out and want to get bigger and stronger? You have to force that change. You start increasing the weight, making things harder. You're pushing yourself into a zone of discomfort. You're body is getting tired, the burn hurts, your body is telling you to stop. But your mind and your will says fuck you, I want to make this change so I'm making it in spite of the pain.
And at its core. That's life guys. You don't like your job? Guess what YOU need to force that change and find another one or different path. Want to hook up with that hot chick you see across the room? YOU have to force that change and walk your ass over there and start talking to her. As men anything we want to do in life we need to force the change. We cant bat our eyes, throw on a low cut top and wiggle our asses to get it to come to us. We have to push our own boundaries constantly. Add another 5 or 10 lbs on that bar, fight for 1 or 2 more reps. Read that book, put that resume together, start that business, quit that habit, etc etc. It's how we create our paths. And lifting weights puts you in the zone of having the discipline to go regularly and push yourself a little more every time to get through the pain to see that change.
PMnewb 6y ago
Lifting weights is it’s own reward.
Your stupid monkey brain finds true happiness in the pursuit of skill and mastery. You will never “master” weightlifting. That’s the whole point.
And you also get the side benefit of being more attractive and increased vitality even into old age.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Came to say this. Turned 47 today. It's not just vitality, it's looks, I rock a better v-taper than many dudes half my age.
PMnewb 6y ago
I don’t want to disvalue your opinion. You’re entirely right. The looks matter. But I just want to emphasize for the younger guys in this thread:
When you’re pushing 70 you’re going to be happy for that core and quad strength more than anything else You did for your health during your entire lifetime. Definitely more so than any pussy you got from having a great physique up until that point. The average Greatest Generation or elderly Boomer male is effectively debilitated. Young men of my generation should aspire to be building their bodies up like Arnold. Just check out that recent video of that cuck trying to assault him. Most dudes Arnold’s age would have broken bones or even been paralyzed after being hit like that.
Strength earned today earns dividends until the day you die.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
+10000
Same with Buzz Aldrin knocking out that little cuck bitch.
VaN__Darkholme 6y ago
Even 5lbs dumbbell side raises with proper form will humble you.
boywonder200 6y ago
Checkout the athleanX dumbbell side raises. I've been plateauing on side raises for years and now I'm struggling to get past 10 pounds and my lat delts are blowing up
VaN__Darkholme 6y ago
Yes, I watch Jeff regularly. His vid is the reason why I started doing them. I see idiots raising 10kg (22lbs) or 12.5kg by cheating the entire motion. Can't imagine their shoulder joint doing well in a few months, yikes.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Facepulls are my biggest takeaway from Jeff, and they are really helpful.
ralstig 6y ago
Facepulls (and hanging) have saved my shoulders. I use to have alot of pain in them, but facepulls "pulled" the pain right out. I had a really nasty imbalance that I never knew about
InstigatingDrunk 6y ago
hanging for sure.. I've had serious shoulder issues for YEARS and just started to .. just dead hang. then started to do leg raises while hanging and can do them without pain and good form. its crazy how this movement (or lack of) has saved my most important joints lol
MatrixofLe3adership 6y ago
Is this a dead hang from a pull-up bar? I sometimes do them ~10sec between squat reps because even that feels really good.
ralstig 6y ago
Sort of. You alternate between dead hang and active hang, and also alternate between grips (chin up, pull up, neutral), one hand vs two, and even where your weight is "thrown" (lack of better wording)
For example. I might alternate between an active and passive hang every 15 secs for a minute total using a two handed pull up grip.
The next time I might alternate between each hand in a pull up grip, while also alternating between active and passive. So 15 seconds on my left hand passive, 15 seconds left hand active. Then 15 seconds right hand passive, 15 seconds right hand active.
I try to switch it up, because each combo has a different stretch. I feel it more in my lats if I bring my knees to my chest vs a more shoulder internal stretch if I use two hands and swing from side to side.
There's a tons of different combinations you could do, especially if you include your legs and lower body, swing your weight side to side, etc...
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Same here. Also, carries are great too. I've neglected them for a while, but they helped. I'm a little middle aged dude (5'9", 170#'s, 47 today) and I was up to a full minute carrying around 2 45# plates. Between all three, hangs, pulls, and carries, plus of course overhead pressing, my shoulders are in awesome shape.
MatrixofLe3adership 6y ago
Farmer's carries? I've only ever done Ice Cream Fitness (for good or bad), and recently switched out the Dumbell/Barbell Shrugs for carries.
I ran into an issue of staying tight while taking a breath. I can't carry that much weight 25+ yds at a time without oxygen, so I'm thinking I'll have to shorten the distance & just increase the weight.
When I take a breath my chest caves and upper back rounds from the weight.
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FanaticMind 6y ago
> You rarely see satisfied ex-weightlifters
Hi, might not be "satisfied" but am not really motivated to go back to lifting.
I no longer see the appeal in lifting the same way I used to.
for reference i lifted without a break for 2.5 years and was really dependent on it.
Also, I doubt it will boost my smv as I am not tall, I look a little bigger than mayweather, almost same weight same height.
FanaticMind 6y ago
Whoever replied to my comment, please re-publish what you wrote, I am interested in your opinion.
plumo123 6y ago
Sure, and that's fine too. What's your current obsession?
FanaticMind 6y ago
Well, sadly wouldn't say that i'm obsessed with anything, but i like mma, especially standup game.
I do mma 3 times a week.
The annoying part about is that i'm totally unmotivated to lift even though I got and could get results.
I used to like the way it looked and was totally dependant but now i just barely feel any drive.
isthisalreadyused 6y ago
Sounds like you have some depression/anhedonia issues. First, get you test levels checked. TRT is an option if you're low. Also, look into herbs like ginseng, tribulus, ginkgo, etc. They help.
FanaticMind 6y ago
Welp, i'm 17. Sleep apnea and toxic mold really take a toll on you. Never heard of the term anhedonia before but it really makes a lot of sense for me as i suspected for a long time that im losing the ability to feel certain types of pleasure. Atleast I don't get addicted lol.
isthisalreadyused 6y ago
You're young, so while I still suggest getting your homones checked, I wouldn't go the TRT route at your age. TRT is a life sentance.
I've had the same problems as you, and I know how shitty it feels. Look into those herbs I mentioned. You'll be surprised how well some of these things work, and they are virtually side effect free. What really helped me when I was in my early twenties and going through the same was SAM-e. That shit is magic, but it's expensive.
My best advice is don't wait for it to resolve itself because unfortunately, it won't. Be proactive.
SeasonedRP 2 6y ago
Lifting teaches mental discipline, and nothing builds self confidence like setting goals and achieving them. The point about ex-weightlifters not being satisfied is spot on. Lifting will make you goal driven in other aspects of your life. And you don't have to stop once you reach a certain age or hit certain numbers. You can set other goals, such as becoming more defined, and can make your workouts challenging by upping the intensity through things like super sets, rest pause, or slow strict reps. When I found this sub and saw that lifting is prominently recommended, it told me the people running the sub were giving good advice. I was never pushy about lifting with my sons but did answer their questions about it, as they went to powerlifting meets with me when they were young. They started lifting in conjunction with sports and now lift regularly year round in our home gym. If you start as a teen, you can make incredible progress if you are diligent and hit it hard.
On another note, powerlifters and strength athletes are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. I've made some great friends through lifting, the kind of men who'd do anything to help a friend. If you can go to a hardcore gym and train around such people, I highly recommend it over a commercial gym.
Stopcryingsissy 6y ago
At 39, 5'10 180 with an average build not much fat at all (I rarely if ever drink) but not scrawny either is it too late for me? All my life every year I've thought "this will be the year I start lifting" and I never do.
No motivation. Why? I'm going to be as real as I can and just say I've always been just complacent getting 7s and 8s without the hard work that is required of being in the gym to land 9s and 10s consistently.
I'm a fairly handsome guy, not fat, and have always been a bartender at the more popular bars and clubs in my city which in turn, through the job especially, has always helped me with talking to women. I know it's just bartending but even though women want to marry the doctor or lawyer, they want to fuck the bartender for the night, full stop. Again I have no false security that I can bartend all my life or like it's some grand career I'm well aware of this.
I am currently saving to open my own spot in the next five years before the salt and pepper turns completely into salt. I'm just bringing it up because compared to most jobs out there I have always had one where there is just tons of hot pussy to slay. I know damn well being built would make it even easier.
Also I think I could always use the extra testosterone because I've noticed as I've gotten older and lazier, those epic erections I'd get everytime in my 20s, I'm now only seeing once or twice per five or six fucks and that is scaring the shit out of me. I feel like lifting will only help with stamina and blood flow no?
After that long winded post my question is where to start or is there a good link with some info for an average built dude with no gym experience since high school on how to get started up?
Sumsar01 6y ago
You can still get great results, you just need to do more work for the same than when you where younger. I would go to Barbell Medicine and read their article "The beginner precription". It has the first 4 weeks of their beginner template for free and will tell you how to get started.
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Stopcryingsissy 6y ago
https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog/the-beginner-prescription/
Is this it?
Sumsar01 6y ago
Yes. It will give you a much better theoretical foundation than most of the advice here and they have path laid out that let you move from beginner to intermiate much easier than others (usually where people get stuck). They also have another free program called "the bridge".