If you look at professional sports leagues, you will see teams that win. Those teams will get more money than others, which they will use to improve themselves even further and try to win again on the next season. On the other hand there's the other teams who don't win a lot, therefore don't have access to major improvement and have it almost impossible to be competitive with the big guns. The art business is very similar - successful artists are successful because something they did was successful, which went much like a snowball - while starving artists on the other hand, almost always die starving and unknown. The same way, it works in any competitive system where someone has to win and someone else has to lose. These are examples of feedback loops.
Since we are basically monkeys competing for power, we can also see social/sexual performance as a feedback loop. Let's not label things "alpha", "beta", epsilon or whatever for now. A man who is useful, socially skilled, attractive, busy, serves a purpose, and in short, improves and creates survival possibilities for the species will naturally obtain a fair reward thanks to the sole nature of the system he is a part of, which will boost his motivation to go and do more of it. This is a positive feedback loop. On the other end of the spectrum, we have someone who doesn't get taken too seriously by peers or sexual partners. This person just sort of, exists. Does what he do for money in order to survive and goes home to play online games, or does whatever with his only 2 or 3 friends who also aren't particularly desirable. He might have it accepted or not, but the only truth is that he does have a reputation for loser. This person is, instead, trapped in a negative feedback loop, and judging by the fact you clicked on the title, you are probably in the need to get out of this loop too so let's get to it.
Reverting a negative momentum is tough, you are not just back to square zero but back to square -10. Being known as the loner, the loser, the beta, the insecure or the weirdo is an extremely damaging reputation, because translated to monkey language, it means: "THIS GUY ISN'T DESIRABLE AT ALL, DOESNT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SPECIES AND DOESNT DESERVE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY". Indeed you don't deserve it, because you did all the right steps to become the whole opposite of successful on the big scheme. People aren't wrong, you are wrong. If you are the complex, misunderstood, overthinking type, you'll have to dumb down to monkey thinking to understand why people like what they like and behave the way they behave.
It really comes down to one simple tactic movement: disappear from wherever you are, appear somewhere else and start from scratch.
First thing you'll want to do is leave it all behind (ALL of it), set a day zero and don't just "feel" like a new person while acting out an image, as people will see through this - instead, actually BE what you want to be. Embrace it from within and get into your character all the way through. Don't go for the "now I'm the absolute alpha" archetype because it truly isn't credible and doesn't work, but a regular bloke who gets what he wants out of life, barely cares about the others, doesn't worry/panic/hurry or give two craps about anything, and really have it all together. Lots of goals, lots of projects, basically being a new product getting a lot of hype - an asset. Almost like the stock market - you are valuable because people believe in you as an investment right now. Just make sure you don't talk a lot about all the cool stuff you do, let people find out.
You'll have to establish within a completely new social group and be successful within the group
At some point someone will be curious about your past and how you came up from nowhere, why you don't already have a lot of friends and so on. You will be asked if not questioned about this, and dealing with this is what will make you strong. It took me two failed attempts with different new groups - what worked for me was a combination of a "mysterious" character, shit test skills and a very well thought out story where all ends meet which I keep straight up to this date. Make up your entire life if it's necessary, just do it well.
To finish up, this is something nowadays we don't get to hear too often in an explicit, autistic-proof way; but then get to find out when it's too late: SEX MATTERS. Nobody believes you don't care a lot about sex, nobody believes you don't want to fuck a lot and nobody believes you get laid if you don't prove it. You want to fuck and you know it. How much sex you get, how many partners, what quality of partners. First thing people check is your position in the sexual market - if you aren't seen with women too often, NOBODY will think you are "reserved" in that department and you smash a lot in your private life - you are just beta in their eyes. Don't be that guy. Get out, flirt, be seen playing the game, this will be a fundamental pillar of your rise.
Being socially useful (as well as sexually competitive) gives a whole new outlook on things which you can't resign once you experience it. A man who is contributing to the survival and improvement of the species, that's all you have to be.
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edit 1 (sep 7): I know it's long and drastic, but this is typed out in the exact way I would have wanted to see it when I was dealing with this, and it's aimed to what is known here as "autistic" types, who have earned a negative reputation across a vast area. you can repeat BAD AUTISTIC!!!! all you want, but it won't help people in that situation.

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Sickem_roy 7y ago
I had this exact experience when I left my hometown. I was a nobody, and left one day so I got all my shit and hit the road. I didn’t know where I would end up at all. Came to a big city, ran out of money got a job. Lived out of my car but I felt something different despite the fact that I was homeless. Direction, ambition, an innate desire to improve myself in many different aspects. I was lifting 2 hours a day, snagged a kickass job and had all the means to build a successful social circle and work my way up the company. I was 19, and had done a complete 180. My family cut me off, but I didn’t care. They were never really there to begin with. I had everything going for me but I quit on an impulse, to go explore somewhere else. Because I always saw my presence there as temporary. I was just enjoying my time until I got tired of it. Which I did, I left to see more of the US other cities. But I regretted it soon after. I realized that I was becoming someone desirable, people were interested in me and I felt I would soon get what I had worked for. I desired a girlfriend, got a girlfriend. I wanted to like myself, I ended up loving myself. When I left I lost that and didn’t think I would miss it. But I ended up broke and homeless in a parking lot in California. I told myself I would do just what i did in the city. But I didn’t have that same drive, i lost the glow. I enlisted in the military and came back home. But now I’m doing the same thing I was doing before I left. Except I’m lifting weights, I’m here until I ship off but I can’t stop thinking about what I left behind and how much potential I had.
NarrowBath7 7y ago
you guys always overthink this shit. You don't need to do all this drastic stuff to improve your life. You don't need play the "mysterious" guy, jesus christ this isn't an anime. Not trying to be a dick, because I understand socializing can be tough. I've been the weird kid, the introverted guy who was kind of off in his own world compared to the rest of the group. So I can appreciate the message, but this just reeks of autismo and overthinking stuff and trying too hard.
IceKing_197 7y ago
Respectfully disagree. OP did mention that you can't overdo these changes, otherwise it comes off as fake and ridiculous, which I agree with. If you're struggling with a bad reputation for a long time, it really does help to hit the "reset" button: set new goals, maybe find a new friend group, basically change your entire mindset.
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
“Autismo”... machismo’s challenged kid brother
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Atheist_Utopia 7y ago
So now you're a hyper-machiavellian alpha male?
Reformed_Monkey 7y ago
Yeah fuck all that. Imma do me and others can either ride along or stfu.
Obsessing over your rep and how you look to others is the most insecure shit you can do. Obviously you don't flip off your boss and know when to keep your mouth shut, but never change for others.
Don't dance like a monkey because people expect you to. I hate dancing.
IceKing_197 7y ago
If you pretend to be a different person (a better, more motivated, more successful, more effective person) for long enough, you become that person. Sure, don't aimlessly try to copy others superficially; that's conformity, not self-improvement. But in my experience, being yourself only works when you're constantly improving yourself.
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
I mean I understand the appeal of what you’re saying, but it might cut too hard against evolutionary logic. Meaning, ultimately we are social primates, and going you’re own way to radically can just lead to irrelevance and depression.
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scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
Ok. We probably don’t disagree. Just the way you were stating it gave me pause.
frenchfortomato 7y ago
So much this. You can improve slightly by sheer effort & dedication, but, ironically, you will quickly hit a wall where the "crab bucket effect" becomes much more powerful than the diminishing returns you're seeing on incremental improvement. Secondly, and just as important in some contexts, is that after a few years of little or no improvement, it becomes very difficult for people to imagine you as anything other than what you already are. Your status gains inertia, so to speak. You need to "reset" your social status in order to reverse this.
A well-written read on this topic, that AFAIK used to be on the sidebar:
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/10/14/the-gervais-principle-iv-wonderful-human-beings/
TL,DR: You can move from the center-bottom to the center-top of any group you're in through sheer effort, but if you want to keep going up after that, you'll need to move to a higher group. If, as is the case for most of us, you're not already in the major leagues- you need to move upward between leagues if you expect to be better than the second-best person in your existing social group.
DareyFathom 7y ago
Unless you live in a very isolated place where your identity is already thoroughly formed, I don't see how going through a new identity would be worth it. You can change the person you are and the perception around you. Start making incremental changes toward the person you want to become. It is a far more likely path to success than making drastic ones.
klavijaturista 7y ago
> socially useful
There are many people who are professionally very "useful", very smart, and earn good money, but still no success with women. You could be an excellent engineer, a trainer, chef etc, and be very respected in your professional circle, a go to person, but that doesn't guarantee anything outside of that particular context.
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klavijaturista 7y ago
That doesn't make sense. By working you are "useful", busy, serve a purpose and "contribute to the species". Being socially skilled does not necessarily contribute to the species, but it does help your likeability and status (imagine having skills but no money).
I know people who are successful in their work, can talk to women, but get no women, because they are ugly. I know not so socially skilled people who are liked by women because they are big and strong.
What you described is a "useful" provider.
But I also agree with you in this regard: if you show you've got your life together and know what you're doing, then yeah, that's attractive.
IvyExcess 7y ago
Socially useful being someone who is funny, charming, a people person, knows how to entertain, a person you would want to invite to a party. Lots of useful people at work I would never want to party with
Jesusfeminist 7y ago
I like this post. Maybe because I’ve moved to 5 different countries now and every time I moved I sort of reinvented myself. It does fuck you up in certain ways, but it’s better than being the same person your whole life. It’s so difficult to evolve while the people around you already have a certain idea of you in their head
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Jesusfeminist 7y ago
Yeah, but cmon let’s be honest here. It’s difficult for a normal guy to just go and ditch his whole social circle to get new ones. When you move you are pretty much forced to do it
Saun522 7y ago
The way this is written is something I like, I think you are a good writer
deeznutsbeswingin 7y ago
100% agree, and actually I’ve done this and am planning on doing it a second time. It works, and it works well. Sometimes rebranding is just the best move.
notadaddy 7y ago
Socially useful has extreme ends on the spectrum
For example, the Rock is useful because he entertains people and entertainment is a social lubricant just like alcohol
Being a doctor is also useful in a society where a lot of people aren’t taking care of themselves
A socially inept person living at home playing World of Warcraft or whatever the kids are playing these days isn’t useful especially if living at home and mooching of their parents
On the other hand
That buff criminal? Very useful. His genetic material makes him biologically useful just like a no good thot.
In the end there are lots of ways to be useful , some for the sake of society, others for biologically programmed human instinct.
Kids these days confuse society and what’s acceptable for what’s right (not morally) but for your body and mind and your biology.
You wonder why women and men are going crazy? All that fucking with no kids (no purpose) and no biological driven responsibility.
HumanSockPuppet 7y ago
Sure he is. He's useful to Blizzard.
_A_L_3_X_ 7y ago
very true, my exchange year transformed me completly
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Battagliare 7y ago
"First thing people check is your position in the sexual market - if you aren't seen with women too often, NOBODY will think you are "reserved" in that department and you smash a lot in your private life - you are just beta in their eyes. Don't be that guy. Get out, flirt, be seen playing the game, this will be a fundamental pillar of your rise."
Peak example of putting women in pedestal.
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Vikingcel 7y ago
You're a peak example of someone who secretly puts women on pedestal
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