Around three years ago, our family exploded when it came out that Matt was having an affair with John's fiance. A fiance who was 6 months pregnant. Matt turned out to be the father.

4 whammies here: 1) fiance cheats, 2) cheats w/ your brother 3) got her pregnant, 4) the kid isn't yours.

John was understandably humiliated and angry. I was fully on his side. I was disgusted with Matt and the fiance.

Note the "was" very carefully.

Here's my issue though. At John's insistence, Matt has pretty much been excommunicated from our family. He isn't allowed at any gatherings where John is. And John purposely makes sure he is at every one.

And I don't blame him.

Matt married John's ex-fiance and are raising the 2.5-year-old together.

What a bastard.

To this day, Matt's wife is referred to as a whore and the baby is called a bastard. Only by John but in our family's presence. He hates them with a passion even today.

Again, don't blame him. And he's right.

My parents have really struggled with this but have agreed to follow John's rule of no contact with the wife or baby. Even contact with Matt is done in secret. Matt has been kicked out of our family business because John can't be in the same room as him. All photos of Matt have been hidden in the family home. No gifts have been given to Matt's child at all. Am I absolutely crazy to think that three years of this is enough?

Yes, you are.

Matt is clearly remorseful and has apologized many times in tears. He clearly regrets hurting our brother.

But he married his brother's ex, so he can't be that sorry.

I can understand that John is absolutely hurt and it must've been the most painful betrayal. But I still love both my brothers. Matt did a shitty thing but how much more does he need to be punished?

For a long time.

My poor parents have been broken-hearted for the past three years because of this. They have confided in me that they are willing to forgive Matt and move on and regret letting it get this far. We were such a tight-knit family before.

Not that much if this happened.

But I'm really worried that suggesting forgiveness with John will cause a massive fight and he'll make us choose between them. I also worry about his mental health. There is also the innocent child in this. He deserves a relationship with his grandparents and his aunt.

That's on the parents.

I have recently been visiting Matt and his family. They are clearly struggling with the isolation. His wife broke down and apologized as I held my nephew for the first time. My heart tore in two.

Cry me a bloody river. Again, this is all on the backstabbing brother and the cheating hoe.

AITA for wanting to bring them into our family again and forgiving them? There is family reunion coming up in a week and I want them to attend.

Unbelievable.

If the cheating ex didn't get pregnant I gaurentee this whole problem would have resolved itself. Even when you've been wrong, as soon as a child is in the picture, this shit will happen. Stay woke.

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nayvote 6y ago

What matt did is so unbelievably reprehensible, he traded his family for this whore. And like, hello, she cheated on her last guy with you. What makes you think she wont cheat on you? Dumbass.

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Andgelyo 6y ago

You would be surprised the length a beta is willing to go to for some pussy. Beta males don’t care about if it’s family or close friends, they will back stab anyone for a piece of ass.

Cha_Cha_cho 6y ago

Another example how blue pilled boys will never see the entire picture.

flipdoggers 6y ago

What makes you think she wont cheat on you?

Because there's no way she would've done such a horrible thing, cheat on John, unless Matt was her true soul mate! /s

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CosbyTeamTriosby 6y ago

Seems like the family has traded Matt in for the whore too, no?

nayvote 6y ago

Well the family's supposedly having nothing to do with either of them, so I'm not sure I understand.

CosbyTeamTriosby 6y ago

They've given up their boy for the "misgivings" of another (the whore). They would've not shunned Matt for sleeping with any old person - they shunned him because he slept with a specific person.

They've given up their boy for a concept.

Redpiller77 6y ago

At that point he just stayed with her because of the shame. I'm pretty sure they are both miserable.

nayvote 6y ago

Agreed. What choice does he have at that point? She mothered his kid. This case makes as strong a case for abortion as I'm aware.

Ivan_The_Reddish 6y ago

I think at this point Matt killing his wife would be murder and not abortion.

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This is the case where someone is determined to hold onto a red hot coal in the hopes that it will burn someone else worse than them. John may not want to talk to the ex ever again, and I can understand that in this case. However, family is different, and whether or not he "gets over" the betrayal, he needs to let go of the anger and outright hatred of his brother. As for the nephew, well, it isn't the kid's fault. The season where the family is willing to accept John's demands is coming to an end. He will soon be on the outside looking in if he does not stop. It's better that he be confronted and told as much.

Hell, I remember one of my best friends sleeping with my girlfriend. I punched him, he apologized and said I could fuck his girl. I slept with his girl, he punched me, we called it even, and got rid of those two women.

Drivestoofast 6y ago

What a fucking shitshow

jerry! jerry! jerry!

LukesLikeIt 6y ago

This is the bed Matt made not John fuck him

Snowaey 6y ago

Atleast John wasn't beta enough to forgive him after 3 years lol

RiskyRewarder 6y ago

His oneitus is so strong that she still is all that matters to him. He's as beta as it gets. He's attempting to control other people's relationships because his oneitus is still so strong.

John is a beta loser

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xKalista 6y ago

John is a beta loser

Are you serious? Matt is a huge piece of shit, honestly I would beat his ass. It's not beta to be RIGHTFULLY angry

emd9629 6y ago

Sounds like Matt is lucky that be excommunicated is all that happened to him.

SouloftheVoid 6y ago

I understand that other men don't owe it to me not to try to fuck my girl, but family is different. Matt is a piece of shit.

1Badshot 6y ago

I have two sons. If one brother betrayed their brother, for pussy or anything else, I would apologize to the offending son as I kicked him out of my family.

The appology is because if my son is willing and capable of fucking over his brother then I have failed him as a father.

In this scenario, that two-timing whore will never be welcome in my home, nor my son, nor his bastard, as long as he is with her. If he dumps the whore, apologizes and makes amends to the brother he betrayed, then he and his child may return to my family.

But the whore? Never!

RealisticKiwi 6y ago

That bastard is your grand kind. Why should he dump the whore and raise the kid alone or why should the whore raise the kid alone if they can do it together? You can be angry at your son, but that kid is not a random bastard but your grandkid.

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1Badshot 6y ago

One thing is certain with kids: Rewarded behavior is repeated behavior. If you reward the whore and the backstabbing brother, by normalizing and accepting what they have done, you will get more whoring and betrayal.

Ostracism is the appropriate response to people that immoral and selfish.

RealisticKiwi 6y ago

Well I agree somewhat but the kid is still grandkid. Maybe help the grandkid while he/she is growing up, even though you don’t like the parents. You can ofc exlude the father from inheritance and give that money to grandkid only instead.

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lala_xyyz 6y ago

Well I agree somewhat but the kid is still grandkid.

By making an example of the grandkid you disincentive that kind of behavior in the future. Yeah it's not the kid's fault, but such is life. Some principles are more important than kin because they affect the basis on which the civilized society is formed.

Verne89 6y ago

At times like this I'm happy to have a traditional non-degenerate catholic younger sister. No way she can do this

_370HSSV_ 6y ago

Fuck matt and fuck that hoe. Matt is the biggest cunt here, betraying your own brother. That cunt should change his last name, what a fucking disgrace. And that hoe should suffer for the rest of her life for what she did. No ammounts of sorry will fix that.

SKRedPill 6y ago

That's one reason why in many military units, adultery is still seen as a crime. It ruins trust - and we as humans need trust because trust is essential for survival - ours, the family, the tribe, the economy, everything.

But I think the OP of the original post is clearly a girl and the aunt in question. Oh well, if emotions change, the frame changes.

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RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago

Damn. What a fucked up situation.

plan999 6y ago

I'd be more mad at my brother for being dumb enough to marry her.

Reformed_Monkey 6y ago

Yeah I'm not with you on this one OP. So what he fucked his brothers fiance? Doesn't mean the rest of the family has to suffer because of it. John should sack up and get over it.

Just don't invite the wife.

VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago

So I’m 100% sure that the OP (in the original) has a vagina. Because NFW would a man have written this dreck.

It’s great that “Matt” is remorseful, but all the “I’m sorries” in the world aren’t going to change the fact that he’s a piece of shit.

Verdict: 1. Yes the original poster is the asshole.

Everyone in John’s family sucks.

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Andgelyo 6y ago

Yes, I’m fairly certain OP is a female since the post said “ met his grandparents and Aunt”. Aunt probably being the OP who wrote this.

The whole family is a piece of shit. John doesn’t need closure. Ignore the pieces of shit, date other women, and move on.

Pikachu___2000 6y ago

He deserves a relationship with his grandparents and his aunt.

She referred to herself as "aunt" so yeah she's the sister.

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neoda1 6y ago

Op is a girl.

Carapilt95 6y ago

Have you been on reddit before? All the guys are a bunch of women with dicks.

Redpiller77 6y ago

I'm not pretty sure their parents suck tho. I mean, what Matt did was obviously shitty, but the parents shouldn't have to go through that shit of not speaking to their son because he did something bad. It's not that they even side with him, they just still love him. That doesn't suck.

VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago

If their attitude - and we're getting it through the daughter's filter - is "yah, John needs to get over it" then fuck them, too. There is no just "getting over" what Matt did. If they want to see the kid they can visit him separately, but if I'm John and they tell me to "just get over it" then I'm way long gone and they can have the one grandchild and never see any kids I have in the future.

Nicolas0631 6y ago

Getting over it is being adult. Not seeing your brother and the hoe is the cuck choice, but other don't have to suffer for it. It is his fault for failing in his choice of partner and not being attractive enough she want to cheat on him.

She is a hoe all granted. The brother is fucked too. But the world is full of people like that. Deal with it.

The sister and parents are not responsible for that.

VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago

Look you can side with the shitty people or the guy who didn’t do anything wrong. She’s a ho’ but the brother is an absolute traitor. You can’t keep that kind of negativity in your life. If the parents and sister want to have a relationship with their grandchild, that’s on them. They can do it on their own time. But I have no sympathy for anyone except for “John”. The brother and the ex fiancé made their choices, and now they have to live with them.

Redpiller77 6y ago

Remember that she also is writing from her point of view. Maybe they didn't say it like that, maybe they just want things the way they were before.

And I also would be gone in that case, but I'm pretty sure that if John walks they would still be sad. There's no way to win for them. The only shitty people in the story are Matt and his apologetic sister.

trele_morele 6y ago

I'm surprised at the amount of blue pill attitudes in this thread. The red pill John picks himself up and gets onto new and better chicks instead of holding the rest of the family in guilt over wanting to reconcile with the asshole. They're a family afterall. The red pill John may go as far as cutting ties with all family members who attempt to reconcile with the asshole. But the blue pill John would rather cause drama. The best thing for the blue pill John would be to move on, with or without the rest of the family.

RealisticKiwi 6y ago

I agree. Causing drama for one year is understandable, but for three years is a lot. He should already have a better chick.

KawaiiEngine 6y ago

This is the most blue pill comment in this thread. John should be ok with getting cucked by his brother because “they’re a family after all.”

trele_morele 6y ago

That's not what I said. I said John should cut ties with the family if he has to and move on. Yes, he got cucked. The rest of the family seems to want to have contact with the baby. So, he's stuck in the middle of this shit instead of moving on three freaking years after the fact. You believe this is the red pill way of handling things??

nayvote 6y ago

Wrong. The family wasn't wronged like John was. They will welcome Matt back in to the fold if not reminded by John of what Matt did, and how severely he wronged John. The family just wants to see their grandchild, and will forgive the unforgivable to do so. They'll even welcome back the cheating whore who's half responsible for this mess (and NOT of their bloodline).

So the situation effectively becomes, why should John have to sacrifice contact his whole family? He's the one who was wronged. He's in the right for keeping them in check on this issue. It's not the same as being a drama queen bitch.

Nicolas0631 6y ago

This is still annoying everybody for your own failure. Not very adult and mature behavior. He was wronged sure. He is a little blue pill beta buck sure.

But his behavior serve nobody.

nayvote 6y ago

I don't understand. He should let his brother and ex-fiance's inexcusable behavior go unchecked? That's your red-pilled response? I mean is there a more beta blue-pilled faggot response imaginable?

Nicolas0631 6y ago

He did respond. It has been 3 years. Now they are all in pain, him included because he want to maintain apparences and honor. That's stupid.

It isn't like his action had an actual positive outcome. He mostly punish himself and the rest of the family that has done nothing bad.

He failed to make his brother change his behavior anyway.

slumdog-millionaire 6y ago

Had to learn this lesson from experience recently, fortunately the stakes weren't all that high. I don't think this topic has been addressed nearly enough on TRP if at all really.

Luckily it is pretty simple, as OP said trust fucking NOBODY. If you work your way up in life to any position of power, status people WILL be gunning for you. Especially other men. Keep your guard up, everyone is out for their own gain. And when you see that you're getting to them you know you're winning.

S3LF-IMPROV3M3NT 6y ago

Yeah lol this is why I do MMA and lift really heavy and make sure I'm way richer and more athletic than my brother. He's 6' while I'm 5'8", and I know how hypergamous these hos are nowadays.

Also, I was wondering, if you want kids does TRP recommend marriage? I know most TRPers say no marriage, but I'd get a prenupt and have separate lawyers for the both of us and also make sure the prenupt is signed at least a year before the marriage so that it's not thrown out by courts.

g0dfather93 6y ago

I don't feel that following TRP explicitly means no to a marriage.

I mean there are two ways to look at it - one says that you're binding yourself to a single woman for the rest of your life, so you know, you lose the upfront "abundance" advantage. A sensible TRPer never advocates cheating on your wife, once you're married it is as much on you to be husband material as it is on her to be wife material and it's a constant WIP from both parties. As such it becomes tricky to assert yourself in a marriage and hence rather easy for her to take you for granted and stop seeing you as something she must strive to achieve everyday. Divorce always hands the man the shorter straw. God forbid you have kids and she goes full soccer mom complacent on you, years down the lane, it doesn't leave you many options (suck it up and stay with her or separate and get your blood sucked for life). The easy solution is thus to not get married and automatically have the upper hand.

Another way of looking at the scene with respect to above mentioned challenges is that it is basically TRP on hard mode. While that is true, you can only do so much; your partner has to understand and comprehend the efforts you are putting, appreciate the same and try to reciprocate them in her own way. And finding such a woman is a fucking toughie to start with, and with no guarantee that she will stay that way after 2 kids and 15 years later, it really is a giant leap.

Yes, it is the natural progression of things and it might even be your innate need but despite being myself married since a year (things are good as of yet) I would say that the risks outweigh the rewards when you account for the odds. Thing is, so is attempting to climb Everest but still people who feel like it, do it, isn't it? You have to decide for yourself if that is what you really, really want in your life? If you do then follow TRP, be the best man you can be, date women, weed out the plates till you land the one you want to wife, and get on with it. Consequences are always there, whether or not you brood on them. Focus on getting shit right.

SteroidsFreak 6y ago

Nothing is wrong with marriage my dude. Being red pilled doesn't mean, staying single for life. It's all how you frame yourself, if for instance, you become a beta after being in a relationship then you might want to work on yourself. If being single is your thing, then more power to you.

dopexile 6y ago

John will be thanking Matt by the time this all plays out.

shadowq8 6y ago

It's not you can't trust your brother, don't come from a shit family is more like it.

Nicolas0631 6y ago

Like you choose it in advance and can be sure they'll never do it in the future !

Redpiller77 6y ago

Matt just isn't an asshole, he's stupid. I'm sad for him too.

UsernameIWontRegret 6y ago

There is no reason for the child to grow up completely separated from his family. Sucks, but that’s wrong to punish the child in that way.

_do_not_read_this_ 6y ago

You choose the actions, you choose the consequences.

And shitty actions have shitty consequences.

The parents need to show some leadership though when it comes to their grandchild.

empatheticapathetic 6y ago

The oneitis situation that brought me to TRP was eye opening enough, but when I told my sister about it, her reaction was so much more shocking. She completely sided with some self interested young girl she had never met against her own brother. I didn’t react, noted it down and continued to read TRP with even more vigour. I mentioned it to my mom and she remained uncomfortably neutral. Very surprising reactions that should have clearly been something else.

Then 3 years later a situation happens where I am essentially left homeless by my other sister while doing her and the family a favour. Both my mother and sister, to my complete utter astonishment and confusion, defend her completely pointlessly selfish actions, dismiss her lack of any apology and continue to do both to this day. They have no other justifications or excuses other than “are you over it yet; eugh, she’s your sister!!”

This event woke my brother up to the extreme in-group bias women have with each other, even inside a family. I barely talk to my sister or my mother now and will probably never speak to the other sister again.

My brother is a blue pill idiot but he has more integrity than any woman in my family.

Flesh_Pillow5 6y ago

Do they try to reach out? I'm pretty much in a similar circumstance to you. Am angry but I never show. I wear a social mask pretty well.

empatheticapathetic 6y ago

I already dislike my mother for various reasons; she has never treated me with basic respect. This was kinda just the final straw. I have little tolerance when i occasionally decide to pick up her phone and most occurrences end with me hanging up on her.

My other sister can play me better but the moment she says something dumb I am gone.

Either of them barely call me but they still have the nerve to ask me when I will forgive my sister.

Flesh_Pillow5 6y ago

Wtf. Why are they so insistent on forgiveness, is it keeping up appearances? Audacious. Women can't see/understand a man's pain.

actuallythink 6y ago

They can’t. Even the ones closest to you. If you aren’t a solid rock, you’re a little bitch.

fdsafdasfdsafds 6y ago

Lesson: be a solid rock. Life is much better as an immovable force.

JamesSkepp 6y ago

Women need closure. Unresolved issue like that makes them uncomfortable b/c they can't see where in social standing they are.

Another approach to this, a bit similar, is that they need closure so they can judge empatheticapathetic, place him into hierarchy and after that they can begin to hamster why is he there and what's their relation to them hierarchy-wise.

Westernhagen 6y ago

"She's dead to me" is closure, too, but they won't accept that because Team Woman.

wendysNO1wcheese 6y ago

You can't just nonchalantly state, "I am essentially left homeless by my other sister while doing her and the family a favor." What the fuck does that even mean? Sounds like you did something stupid and you know it. I don't really care either way, but don't bullshit. Not here.

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empatheticapathetic 6y ago

It’s a hard situation to explain, not interested in your baseless judgement.

I basically moved to a property they were trying to sell on their request. I paid rent and fixed it up while it was on the market. It suddenly got sold and I had 2 days notice to leave. I was homeless so I stayed at my sisters place for one day before she said I had to pay her an insane amount of rent (after me and the whole family have bailed her out for decades). So I lived in my car for two weeks while going to work and looking for another place.

They made their money, I did them the favour and they had the nerve to tell me I should have worked it out with my sister who simply didn’t want me in her house. Complete refusal to even attempt to put her in place. I still don’t understand it.

exodeadh 6y ago

What the fuck. That hurts by reading, but it is true, we men must bear all kind of societal abuse, even from family sometimes. This would have never happened had you been a girl. Stay strong brother, at least we have RedPill.

Nicolas0631 6y ago

Beside, it seems that the whole thing is mostly on empatheticapathetic. It is naive borderline stupid to improve/fix things in a flat you are not the owner and still pay a rent. It is obvious the law is against you anyway so you get what you asked for.

It is even more stupid to to that with family as obviously it is harder to just leave if things go south.

It is also being dramatic to insist on the homeless for a few days and ask how you could afford a rent if you could not afford an hotel for 2 weeks while youth hostel are affordable even in NY city and most people would have find a friend willing to give them a roof for a few days.

Of course this show the sister is a bad person and it was likely known long before. But the most important isn't to hate her but to learn how to act in your best interrests.

If you are weak and acting weak, you'll be gamed and exploited, even by own familly and you can be sure, regardless of gender.

Verne89 6y ago

You obviously weren't the favorite child. That's another redpill for you

empatheticapathetic 6y ago

I knew I wasn’t the favourite but didn’t realise that i apparently deserve zero respect because I’m male.

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_do_not_read_this_ 6y ago

Amused indifference.

A slight laugh and a "good, luck, bro" then move on with your life, minimizing contact with Matt because he's a dick, and I'm guessing they all knew he was a dick long before this happened.

It's John's oneitis that's killing him.

nayvote 6y ago

oneitis

It's so much bigger than John being consumed by a single bitch. It's his brother. It's his family. It's not like John being willing to say "hey, I'm moving on" and finding a new girl, will change the fact that his brother banged the girl he was engaged to marry. "Oneitis" is such a simplistic narrative to encapsulate this situation.

Nicolas0631 6y ago

The normal course of thing is that at puberty you are driven to go on your own, create you own family/business whatever. He shall do just that and forget that story that is anyway his failure. There no reason for him to stay in that environment a a grown man.

He can still see his familly except Matt if he wish too but shall go on with life. Life will not wait for him in any case. Being butt hurt and offended only make him weaker.

nayvote 6y ago

He shall do just that and forget that story that is anyway his failure.

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. You're assuming he SHOULD'VE known and seen the whore that was his wife. Life isn't always as predictable as we'd like it to be, and hindsight is 20/20.

Being butt hurt and offended only make him weaker.

I'm more or less on board with you here. But this still seems like an over-simplification. 'Being butt-hurt' is something you say about someone who's angry they just lost at a video game. Not someone who's younger brother just fucked and impregnated his fiance.

Sultan_Swat 6y ago

A slight laugh and a "good, luck, bro" then move on with your life

I'm sure that would be your reaction if your brother impregnated your fiancee. lmfao, man

_do_not_read_this_ 6y ago

Life kicks you in the balls from all different directions, Sally.

You can't control what happens, only your reaction to it.

Subsitute "impregnated your fiancee" with any tragedy that needs overcoming.

You can cry like a little girl like in the OP. I choose to stay strong, stoic and independent.

Do you honestly believe the brother just out of the blue, all of a sudden, did this? Or is it more likely that he was a jagoff who pulled these kinds of stunts in the past.

Redpiller77 6y ago

I agree with the last sentence, he probably was always an asshole. But I'd like to see if you could really remain "stoic" in a situation like that.

hearse223 6y ago

You cant trust anyone, not even the portal you were birthed from.

Gl0weN 6y ago

''Matt is clearly remorseful and has apologized many times in tears. He clearly regrets hurting our brother. But he married his brother's ex, so he can't be that sorry.''

Yeah I guess John should dump her and then Matt as well since you know, fuck her right? that was johns wife he cheated with no way he should help her or raise his own child?

sixseven89 6y ago

That sub is filled with insecure pussies that can't make decisions for themselves.

iloveyoudeft 6y ago

Trueee. How dumb do you have to be to go on Reddit for advice. Do these people not have friends either?

empatheticapathetic 6y ago

The majority of the responses were calling her an asshole, it was quite nice to see.

Higgs_deGrasse_Boson 6y ago

I think not truly understanding why John feels the way he does is more of an asshole move than expecting John to get over his feelings.

Butter_Man 6y ago

my brother is lame as fuck. but if i had a brother like me, i'd be worried.

RayPiest 6y ago

Guys, I decided to send OP an message, how did I do?

“You’re so damn delusional. In your AITA post, you’re the asshole 1000 times at least. Why don’t you criticize the fiancé? Don’t you think she was in on cheating with Matt? I know the answer, it’s because you have a vagina or is a huge vagina. You’re not only the asshole, you’re a cunt who cannot even see the world as it is, and decide to filter it through your own lens. I hope somebody cheats on you harder than your brother John got cheated on”

RedPilledGodEmperor 6y ago

yep. good answer. I wonder if she will respond

BeneathTheSassafras 6y ago

This is dishonor. Cheaters should count their lucky fucking stars this isn't settled in blood. I already know I can't trust my brother, and he's the closest to me in the family. Frankly, the crab bucket mentality from the brothers wives is more annoying , as I improve

okuli 6y ago

This is probably not USA, where scenario would be:

she starts fucking Chads
divorce-rapes John
receives child support from Matt for next 18 years

iloveyoudeft 6y ago

Lmao the classic power move.

latinasonly 6y ago

haha damn son . total sorority move.

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Sumsar01 6y ago

Sounds like Matt saved John tbh.

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HereComeTheIrish13 6y ago

Took a bullet and married a cheating whore to keep her away from John, way to fall on the grenade.

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Pikachu___2000 6y ago

Fuck that. Matt was looking out for numero uno just like every other asshole on this planet. If there is one thing you can trust people to do it's to act for their own benefit and damn the fallout that happens to anyone else.

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HereComeTheIrish13 6y ago

I was being sarcastic, it was a piece of shit move, but John is probably lucky not to be married to a girl who is willing to fuck her fiance's brother. That goes way beyond AWALT and into dirty fucking whore territory

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reversec 6y ago

but he (John) continues his own beta ways, and of course he doesn't see that picture. Much like, he needs to hit the John.

Theorymeltfool1 6y ago

If and only if she cheats on Matt and creates another bastard child. That would be some sweet, sweet karma.

Captain_Raamsley 6y ago

I'd pay her to do it.

Hopefully Matt ends up with child support responsibility.

reversec 6y ago

Soon. What goes around comes around.

_do_not_read_this_ 6y ago

"if"

LOL. The best predictor of future behavior is relevant past behavior.

"if" you're cracking me up dude.

Theorymeltfool1 6y ago

No shit??

"if" you're cracking me up dude.

trancedj 6y ago

Exactly. John needs to swallow a few red pills, go monk mode, learn about himself and the nature of women. Then he’ll see his brother as the blue-pill fucktard he is.

He can then just sit back and watch as the years become progressively miserable for Matt. All the while John can keep his sacred red-pill knowledge to himself as Matt’s life implodes in on itself.

Only shitty problem I see is the poor child.

Gl0weN 6y ago

is this a sarcastic comment

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Sultan_Swat 6y ago

The only thing that can save John is a triple homicide-suicide.

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NormalAndy 6y ago

Why am I torn here? Importance of family- too much into the family ideal I guess. Sidebar and a tall glass of water please. Such a shame...

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DiscipleBrown 6y ago

How is it the destruction of the ENTIRE family? They should cut this offender off, and the rest can forge ahead. Also, this is a man, he can now forge his own dynasty with his child and wife.

keksodus 6y ago

Would it be naive and a show of weakness if John was to forgive Matt in this instance and try to move on and be more wary of Matt and his behavior?

nayvote 6y ago

I think ultimately he needs to forgive, but never forget. Holding on to that resentment is not healthy, so it's in his own best interests.

empatheticapathetic 6y ago

Matt doesn’t respect his own brother. He doesn’t deserve anything. Matt has to live with the consequences of his decisions.

Whether John forgives Matt or not is his decision and should be purely in his self interest. He doesn’t need to inform Matt of it.

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iloveyoudeft 6y ago

"OP didn't clarify their gender." It's a woman isn't it?

BhiQ42 6y ago

I don't understand why people's responses to this have been so one-dimensional.

Ok, Matt "stole" his brother's fiance. It's a terrible thing to do and all that bla bla.

But if you look at it, you got one guy who took what he wanted, had a kid with the fiance, married her, and likely they are happy.

On the other hand you got a guy who's been bitter for three years, is mate guarding even after he was left and now just demands that everyone sides with him because of some vague moral obligations? I call that a cunt.

Maybe that's a rather female attitude but I'd rather hang with a fun guy who is living the life he wanted, regardless of the skeletons he built it on, than some sour cunt. Yeah, maybe I'd trust him less but I'd still rather hang with him.

Y'all people need to drop the BP-Feelgood-Bullshit.

UnfriendlySoloutions 6y ago

or you just have a shitty brother.

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Whopper_Jr 6y ago

Absolutely agree with your take—losers abound. OP and the entire thread of replies read like anger-phase purple-pilled reactionaries. You can not rely on others for fulfillment—not your fiancé, not your brother, not your parents, not your kids. This is an AWALT life lesson to observe and catalogue into your wider understanding of human nature. Pre-RP, I would’ve reacted the way John reacted—but I can tell you definitively that had I found my current self in this scenario, I would have simply cancelled the wedding and forged ahead. The future does not exist. The past does not exist. Wasting time on either is a folly.

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zed65 6y ago

I trust my brother completely. He'd never do anything like that.

nayvote 6y ago

Maybe you're right, but don't be naive. Whether somebody would fuck a bitch is largely a matter of how much they have to work for it. If your bitch is all over him, would he say no? That's a far different question than "Would my brother go through all the work & foreplay necessary to fuck my bitch?"

Nicolas0631 6y ago

I think that if she is married to another member of the familly many would say no. Not 100% of people, but a good share, yes.

And they wouldn't be dumb enough to make a baby with her and not avort it silently. If no baby had been involved, the story would have been much easier to handle.

zed65 6y ago

My brother would be bothered if she was all over him and would tell me. He wouldn't do anything with her. But that would never happen because i wouldn't allow it to get to that point. Maybe you're families are different than mine. You and your siblings were raised differently, and maybe your father wasn't around and or your mother was domineering. No offense but Im well versed in the red pill and theory of gender dynamics. But hey, when you've been beta most of your life, especially with women, you might not be trusting of anything. When your a hammer everything looks like a nail. I know my brother. I'm not naive, I just think you're used to getting fucked.

Every one of my exes usually paid for me. I used there car, lived with them, didn't pay rent, always got as much sex as i wanted. I know what I'm going. To be honest i was kind of an asshole in my relationships and fucked off the whole time. Even though it was a monogamous relationship and I never cheated. They took care of me usually, which is a bad thing for me because i didn't improve myself as much as i could.

For example I lived in my last exes condo, i ate her food, didn't work for like the first 5 months until i ended to getting arrested and put on pretrial release and had to get a job. I drove her car like it was mine. I fucked her all i wanted. Even after I started working she would refuse to accept money from me, so I just kept living and eating for free.

Even after we had a falling out and i moved out, which her attitude changed a couple days before i moved out (which I never told her i was doing) she was still doing me favors, driving me to Walmart, driving me to go pee in a cup for pretrial release for the county. She was bitch about it because i was just giving her a taste of her own medicine.

When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.

nayvote 6y ago

Lol, dude. I imagine you reading that back to yourself and saying to yourself "man, totally fucking nailed it." Oh my god, clueless fucking idiot.

zed65 6y ago

Most of you guys on trp are natural betas. Before I discovered this whole concept and community it dawned on me that I've done very well in relationships. I've never ever experienced anything even remotely close to some of these horror stories of these poor guys being victimized because they're naive and have been lied to since childhood. I know that most people tend to think everyone else is like them and thinks like them, so you assume all men are betas. Not me. I've never ever been in the "neta bux" position. I've always had women sacrifice for me and try hard to please me. Eventually those relationships go bad but they just start to resent me because they feel used.

Of course if you are or were inherently beta with women you'll be paranoid because you've never been able to have a girl be loyal and sacrifice for you.

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novalentineforyou 6y ago

Is it physically impossible for him to do something like that?

zed65 6y ago

No he just wouldn't even consider doing that

RealisticKiwi 6y ago

Lol probably low testosterone.

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xdrunkagainx 6y ago

It's obvious this is written by their sister. I wouldn't be surprised if she knew about the affair the entire time. She's probably BFF with the SIL and is working her back into the fold while enjoying the drama.

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alright-butthole 6y ago

Way to not give a shit about the kid. Who scorned you faggot?

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BobbyPeru 6y ago

John is a blue pill pussy for holding onto the bitterness. He should be rejoicing Matt is stuck with that whore

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Sultan_Swat 6y ago

Yeah, he should be happy to be cucked by his brother. Great big brained insight there.

nayvote 6y ago

That whore took his brother from him. He's not out of line for keeping his family in check regarding this (what you regard as "holding onto the bitterness"). He was supremely wronged. His own flesh-and-blood younger brother was complicit in the wronging, and this whore was his fiance and had pledged her loyalty to John. You're really so naive as to assume you'd have the fortitude to not hold on to any "bitterness"?

BobbyPeru 6y ago

That whore took his brother from him.

More blue pill thinking. A man makes his own decisions, and he made a decision to cheat with his brother’s fiancé. You can’t give power to a woman like that. You have much to learn.

nayvote 6y ago

I can barely grasp any logic in your post. Stop embarrassing yourself.

nayvote 6y ago

A man makes his own decisions, and he made a decision to cheat with his brother’s fiancé.

How is that purely the MAN'S fault?? How is it not 50/50??

BobbyPeru 6y ago

Read the sidebar and it will all make more sense

PaulMurrayCbr 6y ago

It's not 50/50 because it's 100/100. Each of them is entirely to blame. Responsibility isn't Play-Doh, there isn't a fixed amount of it to be split up between parties.

Nicolas0631 6y ago

+1 it's 100% on both. AND it is also the fault of the cuck too for choosing this woman and being butthurt when it happened.

When you think of it, the alternative would be she would have an affair with the stranger... John would still be a cuck anyway.

John was doomed as long as he decided to be with her. Be it that Matt warn him and stay fairful to his brother, be it that Matt taker her or be it that it was a stranger that would take the girl the result is the same: he lost his girl.

And his was truely lucky because he has no baby with her. So basically he got a hard life teaching for a bargain and avoided the worst. The situation is not that bad.

cootershooter420 6y ago

you sound like a beta, who gives a fuck what some girl is doing three years after you broke up, sounds like matts problem to me

Bitsrr 6y ago

The story is interesting, however OP's commentary adds little value, a simple repost would have sufficed but the image shown is fuckin garbage quality and the post feels like I'm reading a shitty commentary YouTuber's script.

SteroidsFreak 6y ago

What's missing is the moral of the story. That's why it feels like this is just drama on top of drama

ArnoldBateman 6y ago

Imma be honest I see no reason that the rest of the family not be able to talk to Matt. He’s still their son/brother even if he’s a cocksucker. They can choose to communicate with him and if John says he’s leaving and won’t talk to them if they choose to talk to Matt then that’s his choice.

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DiscipleBrown 6y ago

What does is matter is he’s their son/brother? He’s proven he isn’t able to control his own animal impulses for the good of the tribe. The ultimate injustice fucking your brothers fiancé, AND then marrying her. The family should excommunicate permanently. We either punish actions like these firmly or encourage more of this behavior in others.

ArnoldBateman 6y ago

It doesn’t matter what his relationship to them is. They said they WANTED to talk to him again. They have the right to do that. If their other son decides to make a deal out of that then that’s on him. It’s cuck shit to try and guilt your family out of talking to their family if they WANT to.

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Luckyluke23 6y ago

4 whammies here: 1) fiance cheats, 2) cheats w/ your brother 3) got her pregnant, 4) the kid isn't yours.

after all that... you WANT the kid to be yours? you can nope out of that now

Walker501_S 6y ago

Imagine falling out with your blood relative over some hoe though

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SirBlankFace 6y ago

It's not the hoe more so it's the betrayal by his own brother and the child he was duped into believing was his.

1Badshot 6y ago

Matt chose to try to turn a hoe into a housewife and fucked his older brother over to do it. He deserves to be excommunicated from the family because a person with so little integrity is capable of any abominable action if it benefits him.

You cannot turn a hoe into a housewife.