INTRO
This is not a bash on lifting. It’s important, and you better be working out and eating healthy. If you aren’t, well, might as well literally shoot yourself in the foot. Anyways, onto the point
Why develop something physical that isn’t the gym?
There are a few answers to this. Firstly and most important, it’s good for your physical and mental health. As men, having healthy outlets like this are vital to a happy life. The whole reason we work is to be able to do things we enjoy.
The second is the social aspect. Climbing, surfing, mountain biking, skydiving, running, whatever it is you choose, tend to have loads of potential for building your social circle. Cool, fun, friendly, interesting people make up most of these communities. You already have something in common with everyone else in these groups, so making friends is easy to do.
Thirdly, it makes you interesting. It gives you something to speak with passion about. You aren’t just some other 9-5’er that tosses weights around. You have other things that define you.
It can literally change your life
As my user handle implies, my two big passions are surfing and climbing. A close third is skiing. A while ago, I used to be a marine sniper (check post history if you want verification) and I was incredibly depressed. One might think accomplishing something like that would have you brimming with pride, but I felt deflated and lost. I realized I’d placed all my eggs into my profession, and it wasn’t as fulfilling as I’d hoped. I didn’t deal with my depression, and it got really bad. Fortunately I discovered those outlets, and I was able to round myself out.
My focus shifted from being career driven (nothing wrong with that if it brings you joy) to being driven to have a life full of surfing and climbing trips. I found a career that has a lot of downtime to allow me to do this. I took a pay hit compared to what I could have been earning, but the trade off was well worth it for me.
It gives you something a woman never can
No one night stand or ltr I’ve been in compares to the highs I’ve had through my passions. There’s not a girl alive I’d trade one of them for. For guys that struggle with Oneitis, it can help ground you. It’s a wonderful escape.
You’ll meet people who are fantastic mentors
Inevitably you’re going to meet people that are really good at whatever it is you’ve decided to do. They just nonchalantly cruise through really hard feats with a swagger that oozes confidence. And most of the time, they’re really friendly. They’ll be stoked to help you along your journey. I’ve met quite a few mentors climbing and surfing that took me under their wing and showed me the subtleties most people miss.
Eventually, you’ll get really good too
After enough time doing anything, you’re going to get good at it. Nothing feels better than crushing it at something you love doing. Getting hoots and hollers, and living those moments is pure joy. Those will be the days you hold on to. It’s important to have those in life.

Dane50 6y ago
Agree. I added MMA training (even though I will never enter the cage being 50+) and love it as a compliment to the gym.
NextForever 6y ago
Couldn’t agree more!
I used to surf every single day there was swell in Central CA and completely obsessed. Nothing beats the fear/euphoria on a big day... I never went past 2xOH; but god dam, what a rush!!!
Now I’m in LA and don’t even get out more than a handful times a month, I hate traffic and am only surfing Ventura to beat the crowds. I’m depressed as shiz and time is flying by so fast now with no consistent connection with the ocean. Though I make a concerted effort to run in the woods and mountain bike; it just ain’t even close..
surfclimb 6y ago
That’s brutal man. Next time I find myself in LA I’ll hit you up and we can go shred Huntington or rip Pacifica with my boys
masculinetruth999 6y ago
I found something crazy to do physically, can't really say much of it here because I'm the only person doing it and I don't want to get stalked. But basically it's like parkour on crack but safer. Came up with it myself and it's my current passion outside my work and a game or two I play. Impresses the gf quite a bit too.
You definitely don't want to be some boring ass gym dude.
0087621 6y ago
Now I'm curious about it, is it something like freestyling?
ReUptheReUp 6y ago
This is something that isn't emphasised enough, but I think that for a lot of men to be able to become dedicated to something outside of the biggest go-to-passion - the gym - they need peace of mind, peace of mind regarding women that is. Let me quickly explain: from my observations, a lot of men (but not all) struggle to remain devoted to something because of the constant need to have a woman, whether it be longterm or temporary. They don't have the mental certainty that can they get a woman whenever they want (you can still have game or be red pill aware and still suffer from this if you don't have a thorough understanding of what makes male and female attraction tick, knowing why you're able to get women the way you do is a big part of developing this peace of mind I'm speaking about). The goal of having a woman, even if it's in their peripheral, constantly distracts most women. Having certainty helps women become less of distraction and makes it easier for you to entertain other passions beyond the gym. Just my thoughts anyway.
pag4495 6y ago
I fucking love to shred mountain bikes. The whole way I ride is honestly a good way to live life.
What I mean by that is - you're always trying to improve your skills at riding, and the only way to do that is to attempt progressively harder and more technical features. Eventually, you're going to eat shit, but you can't be scared of that. You have to keep pushing yourself and testing your limits, and that's how you get better - by conquering a challenge or trail feature and moving on to the next one!
Some people make excuses for why they don't like to do jumps or go to fast though and I think it's funny. Keeping both your wheels on the ground all the time just isn't enjoyable. You gotta risk it to get the biscuit!
IrvineKafka 6y ago
Martial Arts.
So many life benefits. Mental. Physical. Practical. Do it.
ArdAtak 6y ago
100% agreed. Skiing and Surfing are great for the soul, embed you in really fun communities, add depth and meaning to your life, create opportunities to meet great women, and also give you a sense of comradeship.
Beach volleyball is also amazing.
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
I became a ciclist and now I walk around with a pretty low bf% I definitely want to try mountain biking next and still want to have a go at BJJ
INNASKILLZ2K18 6y ago
I love lifting for this very reason. Lucky I haven't reached near my limit yet.
I see a lot of guys who just want to do it to look good or for the ego.
But I love making a mission, craft and hobby of it. Being able to build foundation strength, and move to more advanced and difficult lifts.
I like yoga, too. I do that pretty seriously, so lots of upper body strength needed.
I really want to add in rock climbing and biking. Soon as I can afford my first motorbike, I'll be all over that shit.
Phaeer 6y ago
The gym became extremely boring for me after I stopped seeing significant strength gains. 3rd to 4th year of lifting heavy I ran into the depressing realization that I either needed to do PEDs or accept the fact that I'm never getting any stronger.
I know I'm not completely maxed out at 3-4 years but I'm within that 95% of what I will ever achieve naturally. Age is also a factor because I'm soon 35 and my strongest days are behind me if I choose to stay natural. I was benching 315, squatting 400 and deadlifting 550.
My new passion is road biking which is a breath of fresh air. I'm losing muscle mass in my upper body but for the first time in 5 years, I don't even care. I love the freedom that the bike gives me, the total emptiness of thoughts that you are able to achieve while grinding away for hours out on the roads.
A new hobby every 3-4-5 years is probably a good thing though.
While I agree with the mentor aspect I have always been the lone wolf, when trying to push myself. If others are involved I tend to compete with people I shouldn't compete with, which is discouraging or I become annoyed at people not taking it as seriously as myself.
Balderdash79 6y ago
You're hitting 1000. You are in the top 10%.
More is vanity.
Phaeer 6y ago
It's not really the numbers I care about, I care about the progression which unfortunately slows down quickly.
It's like the opposite of acquiring wealth. You work your ass off for years and see little to no return and then suddenly your wealth explodes. I like that model better.
Sumsar01 6y ago
Dude you can get a Lot stronger as a natty you are just at a point where you need propper programming, since your not a novice anymore and if you dont care to get stronger i would just maintain muscle mass which can be done pretty easily by like 3*45 min a week of working out.
Phaeer 6y ago
With average genetics, age of 35 and not wanting to weigh over ~200 lbs I think it's pretty safe to say that I wouldn't break 600 or maybe 650 deadlift even if I did everything right.
Unless you have elite genetics or are on PEDs (which an astounding large number of gym rats are, even if you think they are natty) I would argue you won't hit 650 dead lift even if you did everything right.
I'm already in top 0.1% of gym rats with the lifts I already achieved, so I have a hard time believing everybody can hit those numbers naturally as long as they do everything right.
Most people can work out for 10 years and not even come close to those numbers. I know their work outs usually suck but it still says a lot about the average potential.
ManicMuffin2 6y ago
Personally, I don't respect anybody that uses PEDs.
The gym is a place where everyone is, or at least should be, trying to do their best. It's a place where all men are equal, since they can't buy or beg their way to a good body.
I can respect a person who's in okay shape but puts in the hard yards, more than someone who looks great but decided to cut corners.
Phaeer 6y ago
Personally, I don't respect anybody who are against PEDs.
I have never personally used PEDs but I really don't understand the hatred against people using.
Now that doesn't mean I respect everybody who is using PEDs, there are so many clowns out there not knowing what they do to their body, doesn't get medical assistance with their gear use and so on. I don't respect people who act completely irresponsible with their health unless they can tell me that they also are willing to face the consequences. Most of these people are just so ignorant on the subject that they can't justify their use to me.
There are also many people who use PEDs responsibly which I have no problem with. Many of them work harder in the gym than any of us would ever dream of. They can get away with working out much more frequently due to much better restitution.
There is a physical limit to how big you can get naturally and with average genetics, you will not get very far naturally if you compare yourself to action movie actors, fitness models and so on. They are all using gear.
The natural limit for many people just isn't enough and I can understand why. I have made the decision to not hop on gear because I think it's too risky where I'm from. It's difficult to get help from Doctors with blood test, so you can make sure your health markers is on point and you have to buy the drugs from shady sites in Ukraine where they were probably mixed up in someones bathtub.
masculinetruth999 6y ago
That's literally the definition of being a beta male. You have a scarcity mentality. "Oh man what if I can't pack on enough muscle for her to look at me. Awww man, I might never get another shot, I NEED to use these steroids NOW". You're literally frauding your genetics when you take them. Anyone who is a fraud, is insecure. I'm perfectly confident with my max being 295 while I weigh 195-205.
The only reason to push further would be, I imagine, if I was making up for something in my pants ;)
Phaeer 6y ago
You are a very confused man. We never once talked about women or how they look at you. That haven't even crossed my mind when talking about PEDs. It has NOTHING to do with women.
And how are they a fraud if they are honest about everything?
The fact is that PEDs lets you push things beyond what is naturally possible. If that isn't intriguing I don't know what is.
masculinetruth999 6y ago
Intriguing? Dude it's 2019, we know what some extra muscles look like. LOL. Of all things, 'intriguing'. Oh yeah man, Ronnie Coleman is a very intriguing man. LOL. You gotta be gay or something deficient.
The reason girls don't like bodybuilders compared to a regular athletic lifter is because it simply doesn't look natural, it's like hiding a round chin with a beard. It's the very definition of overcompensating.
Phaeer 6y ago
lol
You have some issues you need to deal with. You infer your own reasons to be on gear onto to me. If you actually read anything I said I stated that I don't want to weigh over 200 lbs, so what does Ronnie suddenly have to do with it?
You know Lance Amstrong did steroids as well, right? Did he look like Ronnie? You are really fucking ignorant here.
It's not about looks, you are only focused on this, so maybe you are the one who is gay? lol
I'm more focused on the athletic aspect of PEDs.
And you start talking about girls again which has nothing to do with the conversation.
To me you just sound like a little bitch, when you are so focused on what other men do to their own body.
ManicMuffin2 6y ago
Yeah fair, I'm a pack a day smoker, so who am I to judge really.
10211799107 6y ago
35 is prime time. Your programming and calorie tracking probably could use some work. You don't need to be super fat to pull 600.
hardly_incognito 6y ago
Some of us simply lose the gusto. I reached similar numbers as OP over the course of 10 years of lifting.
My main goal now is simply to get bigger, but I've no desire to hit 500 squat, 600 deadlift, or 315 bench (I was tantalizingly close to all 3 goals). Being real, my biggest gym goals are in the kitchen.
Now my time is occupied by my career, and I've began to take up scuba diving and snowboarding. Lifting will always be an integral part of my life, especially since it allows me to embark on new hobbies with ease. At this point, it simply won't be my life like it used too.
This isn't a comment to say don't lift by the way, I still lift 4-5x a week, do proper programming, and focus on how I diet. I'm just not going gung-ho and competing in lifting meets or shooting for new PRs every quarter.
10211799107 6y ago
I agree with you I'm only commenting on the fact that if one chooses, getting to a big Deadlift like 650 is possible with decent programming and adequate sleep/calories etc and you DONT need to get fat to do it. 3/days a week programming will accomplish this in rolling 12 week blocks. There's room for curls and smaller isolation stuff too.
Not trying to convince you at all. Your decision is yours 100%. But if you wanted to, you could keep body fat in check with visible enough abs AND get stronger and bigger.
warburgio 6y ago
I call bs on 650 dead attainable for everybody,
Synthol_deadlift 6y ago
I know a bunch of natties pulling between 650-700. Only one of them is fat. Realistically though unless you kill yourself in the gym and know exactly what you're doing with assistance movements most people aren't going to get there unless they are just genetically gifted. Some of the guys I know with those numbers have no clue what they are doing, I like to joke that they have retard strength.
Phaeer 6y ago
35 is not prime time. The reason some athletes, especially strength athletes peak later in life these days are primarily because they use PEDs.
You can always do more but since I'm not trying to be pro it's more about finding a balance where life doesn't feel like chore 24/7.
10211799107 6y ago
I'm not trying to change your mind, your decision definitely what you should stick to. 35 is def prime time if you figured shit out late in life. It's young. Not talking about dudes who are 20s here.
When you get to decent levels of strength yes, hobbies become an integral part because being strong makes everything easier. I'm just commenting that there are still progress to be made if you so choose. Getting to a 650 Deadlift is work, but it's less work than going to the gym for 1-2hrs per day for 5/6 days.
Rolling programming like HLM over weeks with proper calories, peaking every 12 weeks will def set you up for strength gains.
Phaeer 6y ago
35 is not prime time for athletic performance unless you are using PEDs, that's the only point I'm making. 35 is a great age for everything else in life, that was never my point.
I don't feel comfortable weighing enough to pull 650. It's not going to happen while keeping my weight under 200 lbs, I simply don't believe this. Yes, I'm aware that some people can but they have elite genetics and they are probably also using PEDs.
It's already hard enough to find business shirts that my lats and shoulders fit into while not being too large everywhere else. Pants are becoming a problem as well. Either my thighs can't fit or I have to use a belt to hold up my pants.
10211799107 6y ago
We're just talking general strength here not elite athletic performance. Strength takes time to build up and most USAPL guys set their lifetime PRs later in their 30s. Obviously not all.
My point is that if you wanted a 650 Deadlift, you can get it, with meticulous tracking of food and programming. The notion that you need to be super fat for a heavy Deadlift is old news. Plenty of jacked guys pulling big numbers with low enough bf to pass as a bodybuilder.
Phaeer 6y ago
And most USAPL guys are on large amounts of gear. That's pretty obvious at this point.
Yes, because they are on massive amounts of gear!! lol
Drug tested does in no way mean drug free. You can easily see this in the records done in the different federations. Drug tested and none drug tested records are almost the same which should tell you that they are all on basically the same amount of gear whether it's a tested federation or not.
10211799107 6y ago
Do you know someone who is a registered lifter with a tested fed? I do. And their life is shit. They can't travel without the org fucking with their lives and having them show up for tests when they go to a different country, or come back and randomly get called for a test and if you don't show you're canned.
I'm not arguing saying there aren't peds involved, but there are orgs who really clamp down on it even off season.
I've been around these circles enough to make my assumption that anyone who hates on a dude that lifts his ass off for years and track his food like a nazi is just a dumbass hater spewing "roids" because they rationalize their lack of drive for strength and make themselves feel better for not reaching their potential.
Again, your decision is your decision, until you have pushed your limits way past what you THINK they are, your opinion on what's possible, in my opinion, is void.
Herdsengineers 6y ago
I've got a litany of things - all mostly outdoor related and I used to also train martial arts pretty hard. Hiking, caving, rafting, backpacking, camping, etc. Tried a beginners SCUBA thing recently too. That was really cool, but it's an expensive hobby.
I'm also a bit of shooting enthusiast. Even if you don't own a gun, rentals at ranges are cheap and easy! Nothing like grouping therapy!
I've also taken up hunting. Have a bow, hunting rifle (bolt gun, nothing fancy), and 3 shot pump shotgun for turkey season. Not that I'm all that experienced, but the few deer I've managed to put in the freezer always came with an incredible adrenaline rush. Just the sight of them gets you going for a moment. Buck fever is real! And the hunters I've met are all rather naturally RP'd and they've all got pretty submissive LTR's/wives.
SalporinRP 6y ago
Signed up for boxing about 2 years ago and it changed my life.
Frame
Self-defense
Self-discipline & dedication
Fitness
Competition (I've had a few amateur bouts)
Charity (Once a week I help one of the trainers teach a class of underprivileged kids)
I love lifting and still do it 4 times a week, but boxing added so much to my life.
randomTATRP 6y ago
what's your weekly frequency of
gymmingboxing (lapsus)? i want to add a martial art to my hobbies but with a new job and 4 days of gym/week, idk how i'll manage it.SalporinRP 6y ago
Gotta lift in the mornings before work.
I lift in the mornings Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.
Box usually 3, sometimes 4 days a week right after work.
FlyingPigs3210 6y ago
I've been looking into boxing. BJJ didn't do it for me. I think I want something a little more primal. What should I look for in a gym/instructor and any other tips for someone that has literally never thrown a punch or taken a punch.
SalporinRP 6y ago
I felt the same way. The grappling aspect of BJJ/MMA just didn't appeal to me from an entertainment standpoint. In terms of watching it and actually doing it as well.
Go to the amateur boxing subreddit. They have a great getting started page. But here's my advice:
Don't go to one of those faggy cardio boxing chain gyms like Title Boxing Club. You will break a decent sweat at those places but nothing more. Go to a gym that actually teaches you how to box.
Go to a gym with good trainers. Do your research. There are two main trainers at my gym. One is an olympic medalist and the other is a national champion. I'm not saying your trainers need to be that prestigious but they should be well-renowned and have all their licenses and certifications.
As for advice regarding technique and form the amateur boxing subreddit is a good source but your coaches will be the best. Some very general advice though:
Stay loose. When you're in your boxing stance you're naturally going to want to tense up and it will lead you to lose power on your punches as well as gas extremely quick.
If you have any plans to compete start running long distance now you will thank me later. As I gear up for an amateur fight I'm running 4-5 miles 3-4 days a week.
FlyingPigs3210 6y ago
Awesome. Helpful, been checking the subreddit all this morning.
Alpha_Bucks 6y ago
I agree with OP. I love lifting and running but I also love boxing and BJJ. One thing that MMA did for me was give the weight training a purpose. I wasnt getting stronger for the lulz anymore, I could use that strength to strangle someone. Suddenly there is an underlying purpose to the conditioning work.
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fuckGuilt 6y ago
I climbed a 14'r this past weekend and it felt great. 7 mile round trip, 2800 vertical feet, 4.5 hours door to door....not to shabby for pushing 50.
Martial arts can be great, but I'm injury averse these days.
Climbing is great....and partner dance isn't too shabby, either.
Dls95405 6y ago
Partner dancing is the best. Damn shame most guys will never give it a try.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Name a better hobby than putting your hands on women and moving them where you want them to go.
Bitches are basic, too. I took an intermediate class, and it was a sausage fest. The basic, basic class is almost always evenly matched, with 10 x's more people.
There's a "partner dancing diagram" out there somewhere, which basically shows that women get better linerally while men get better exponentially. Fuck it, get better than 80% of women and call it a day.
Seems like guys want to get "too good" at this, as we do in so many other spheres of life.
Dls95405 6y ago
I can't think of any other socially acceptable way to have your hands on a dozen or more attractive young women in a single evening, and they love it.
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Do you even lift, bro?
LMFAO
Seriously, I did some classes when I was about 41 ish, 5'9" and 180#'s. I went back last year at 46 ish, same height but165#'s and in much, much better shape having been under the barbell.
Night and day, bro. Night and day. Not every follow is happy I'm in the rotation, but the majority are clearly happy about it, and the worst is indifference (and fair enough). The connection between being in remarkably good shape and dancing is, I guess, obvious but fun.
I'm still trying to get past the 6/8 count thing. The "big" local night has a 6 count Jitterbug with 50 follows, 25 who are rotating.....but then, all music, is 8 count. Fucks with me hardcore. You deal with this?
It's a stupid mindfuck but I need to get my VHS of Uncle Mafufo onto DVD.....I learned 8 Arabic rhythms, and they were 2 count, 4 count, 8 count, and I think one 9 count.
6 counts are just retarded, supposedly made to help white men dance. /rant
Dls95405 6y ago
I do swing dance, rock climbing and work out. Dance is like any skill, takes practice and eventually you’re just playing to the music, requires little thought
fuckGuilt 6y ago
Shit, you aren't me, are you?
I dunno....it's a mental block, I'll figure it out.
I wonder if monopolizing a woman for the night would settle the matter.
TBtgoat 6y ago
I walk anywhere from once to 3 times a week while listening to podcasts. It helps tremendously and I always feel better.
rookieMale 6y ago
I Do it everyday. Works well for audiobooks as well.
silent_dominant 6y ago
Any podcast recommendations?
Aelfnir 6y ago
the art of manliness by Brett McKay
True Geordie can be pretty funny as well
j17hill25 6y ago
Tim Ferriss Show, Ed Mylett, Impact Theory
webs7er 6y ago
I'd also check out some Joe Rogan podcasts, he has some very interesting guests.
TBtgoat 6y ago
Glad you asked, anything with Ed Mylett
Ledoborec 6y ago
I like: art of manliness, on soundcloud
vullnet123 6y ago
I love Hardcore History by Dan Carlin
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raitokurai 6y ago
I recommend the Mindset Mentor by Rob Dial
RoadToZion1119 6y ago
Joe Rogan Experience if you like DMT, martial arts and chimps.
PickUpScientist 6y ago
thank you for reminding me i really need to go hike or some shit. i really do.
all of these could be improved by lifting, though. i think both are very beneficial but lifting would still be more important imo.
meerita 6y ago
I was 1,86 - 55kg guy. I recall all my photos where trying to hide all my body parts. I was so ashamed. I hated myself. Until I started gym. Now I'm 72kg and really shaped, i go shirtless on the street not giving a fuck and now I can see how women look at me or they flirt with me in any business, stores, etc. It's plainly simply, any physical development you do on your body will transform your life forever. I even have more success at work, interviews, people don't see me weak anymore. I got even more respect from males. Simply quit all the shit, get to work on the gym and start from 0. You will never regret it. You don't need ot be 22y.
Swan_in_a_Cage 6y ago
Street skateboarding. Not only is it great cardio and for coordination, but it's great for social proof and opening up conversation. Founds several plates doing so. It's amazing how many things you can do on a skateboard in order to spark a conversation.
Ma_Junior213 6y ago
Totally agree! Started muay thai 2 years ago and my life changed. Have met some pretty hardcore guys, and my master is a 55 y/o professional trainer who beat the crap out of anybody in his youth, and is a redpiller with several children from diferent women. So it's crazy every session we have with life lessons beside martial arts included. Helped me become mentally and physically more dangerous, i look and feel great and women love it. We also go hiking nearly every week.
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Kyomeii 6y ago
What got me in form was CrossFit. It gets a lot of shit in Reddit but I dont give a fuck, I love it, it is fun and I got to know a lot of cool people (and hot chicks) through it.
I'm actually thinking about starting competing soon, so that's another cool thing to look forward to.
hypebeasts101 6y ago
Anything is better than nothing but listen to some of the shit people say, it’s horrible for your joints you’d be better off with any other HIIT program. But for the social aspect it’s definitely great
tb0n 6y ago
The mentor aspect is gold. Great observation
zurow 6y ago
Mine is mountain biking. This is something I can do alone or with others, and as you mention I meet a lot of new people through a local Facebook group or just by talking to others as they are unloading their bikes at the riding spot.
To me this is the best hobby as it is something most women women don’t want to participate in so it gives me time alone or with other guys and will keeps me in great shape in addition to my workout routine.
rosbergsessa420 6y ago
This. All biking actually, just that the mountain varieties are more suitable with nature exploration and other activities like camping, hunting etc. Riding long trails is like meditation to me when doing it all by myself, and bonding time if done with others. Ofc gotta be lucky to live in a place with some degree of mountains.
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