Successful business woman doesn't feel like a woman because too many of her male peers respect her. | TheRedPill

I'm a 20-something Female CEO of a 7 person company, and two of my employees (male, late 20's) are from an old-money crowd in the city we're in. We'll go to fundraisers and events constantly, and it's obvious that they talk to me about other girls as if I'm one of the guys.

Every ambitious woman's dream: to join the ranks of the women who are considered "one of the guys."

for example, one of them who I haven't met will start to hit on me, and I've seen said guy be pulled aside and "informed" about who I am, and then it becomes all business, and it's like I'm no-go territory.

But what's this? Suddenly it's not so great, because being the boss means she's off-limits.

Here's the big part.

I'm respected, that's obvious. They consider me "on their level" which feels odd because in some ways, I don't know if they think that way about the other women there, but then again, I don't feel like a female to them?

Fancy that: a woman feels womanly to the extent that males desire and court her.

And lastly, her feelings on the matter:

I know I'm an attractive girl, I take care of myself, keep myself in shape, and I'm focused and bullish in business... It's just the most fascinatingly odd situation to be in, and it's making me doubt myself as a woman?

So she feels like a failure as a woman, because men don't want her sexually.

I've got some news for you. They don't want you, because you've made yourself more valuable to men as a source of money than as a source of sex.

As a business leader, your responsibility is not to breed, but to make sound business decisions so that everyone in your company can continue to profit and prosper. You've set aside your female role and adopted a male one: and big surprise, you don't get to enjoy the benefits of being female anymore. You are now a workhorse who's value is measured solely by your ability to succeed - just like a man.

Congratulations, you are now equal.

But this woman cannot separate her professional responsibilities from her feelings as a woman. She can't shake the feeling that she's missing out on something fundamental in her life, and it's making her doubt herself to her very core.

Women: as unpleasant as it may be to hear, you cannot have everything. There no package deal which gives all benefit and removes all drawbacks.

You can either be:

Strong, independent, respected and forever unloved or
Protected, provided-for, and subservient to the man who sweats and bleeds for you.

There is no middle ground. Make your choice and live with it.

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onetwothree__ 11y ago

There is no middle ground. Make your choice and live with it.

I get the two extremes. More power to anyone who chooses either one.

But it is bullshit that there is no middle ground. Life is more complex than that.

Partners can alternate between number 1 and 2 in different areas of life.

OsoFeo 11y ago

This post is perfect.

I do not agree with the TRP convention that women are constitutionally less intelligent than men. I've met too many examples in my life of competent, intelligent women. But you can't occupy male social positions without sacrificing the benefits that you would accrue by capitalizing on your femininity.

This sums it all up:

Congratulations, you are now equal.

You can either be: (1) Strong, independent, respected and forever unloved or (2) Protected, provided-for, and subservient to the man who sweats and bleeds for you.

HumanSockPuppet 11y ago

I do not agree with the TRP convention that women are constitutionally less intelligent than men.

I wouldn't say that that particular idea is an TRP convention. Rather, it's an exaggeration by men who are blissfully ecstatic about having a haven where they can vent a life of frustration. It's cathartic to have a free space in which to mock women when all your life they've been treated like an endangered species.

It just seems like a convention because there are so many "newly awakened" men arriving here every day, and their collective catharsis drowns out the reasoned and seasoned veterans.

It's more accurate to say that men have a greater tendency towards the extremes. There are more exceptionally stupid men than there are exceptionally stupid women. Likewise, there are more exceptionally smart men than there are exceptionally smart women. But with all other factors being the same, a man and woman of similar IQ (or whatever metric you deem appropriate) will perform at roughly the same capacity.

whatsazipper 11y ago

But with all other factors being the same, a man and woman of similar IQ (or whatever metric you deem appropriate) will perform at roughly the same capacity.

Do you think that holds on tasks that involve mechanical reasoning?

Revo_Luzione 11y ago

It's not just about IQ. Males and females of a similar IQ will show disportionate income. It's not always better for men, but when it's better, it's a lot better--men take more risks and when risks pay off, they are rewarded. Like with IQ in general, men's income at a given IQ is more widely varied. Women aren't risk takers.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

It's not about risks. Between two similar skilled and literate male and female, the male is the better worker.

Why? More reliable, less bitching, less talking, less sensitive to hipotethical offences, stronger, less dependant on someone's help, and tons more.

I've had various work experiences, and women are the worst coworkers, always.

Things like feeling offended if you didn't notice her new haircut and stay grumpy for six hours.

things like being elusive in giving answers about work questions.

Things like feeling entitled of being an asshole, lazy and bitchy in those days of the month. This is a costant of even the apparently better, quieter females.

Is she particularly absent, grumpy, elusive, unreachable? Oh no, it's that time again, the time in wich they feel like the world owes them something and nobody can understand how bad they feel on period, oh poor me, etc.,etc.

An heavy box has just arrived in the office? They don't even look it, you're the man, it's your duty to do the physical tasks, always! The worst part is that if there's the apparently alpha but really just a shameless whiteknight boss around, he won't tell the nearest female to pick up that (10 lbs) box.

No, he'll look around for the privileged male. But, hey, we all do the same things and are all paid equal!

Cyralea 11y ago

To be fair, men evolved to work in hierarchies precisely for the benefit of optimizing success. Our genetics literally lend themselves towards being successful in pursuing a goal.

Women historically did not evolve this way, so most start with a handicap. It's analogous to someone learning a new language versus a native speaker.

OsoFeo 11y ago

The idea is not monolithic, but it is advanced by the TRP luminaries who say that women are "the most responsible teenager in the house". I understand what they're saying about relative accountability within the family structure and larger society, but its corrupt interpretation becomes "women are less intelligent than men".

I'm not trying to create a divisive argument here, just point out that this post is a perfect example of the fundamental issue that TRP studies: our gendered social roles (driven largely by biology but with a wide enough degree of variation to lack anything close to absolute determinism) are mutually exclusive.

I'm a gay guy with probably 50/50 split in my cognitive orientation. But here's the thing, on any day I function with my "male" brain I find it very hard to use my "female" brain, and vice-versa. The two modes of cognition are entirely mutually exclusive.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

What the fuck male and female part of the brains even are. This is broscience at his finest.

And "there's a female part in ever man", right?

Cyralea 11y ago

He's using non-scientific language to describe a real phenomenon. Male brains tend to be more developed towards systematization and female brains more towards empathy and emotion. There are obviously exceptions to that very general rule, but it's a real observable trend.

I believe that's what he's talking about.

OsoFeo 11y ago

Yeah. I'm using very loose terms for different cognitive styles that are associated in a stochastic sense with men or with women.

However, there is some physical basis: in terms of gray/white matter, gay men fall in between straight men and straight women, and it's been shown that gay men tend to have cognitive styles that are in between those of straight men and straight women. Of course this is all stochastic, and to any one given person it may or may not apply.

VoyPerdiendo1 11y ago

I'm a gay guy with probably 50/50 split in my cognitive orientation. But here's the thing, on any day I function with my "male" brain I find it very hard to use my "female" brain, and vice-versa. The two modes of thinking are entirely mutually exclusive.

I find this extremely interesting.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

I find this extremely unbacked by serious studies.

OsoFeo 11y ago

Thanks. It's interesting to observe from inside after having studied MR/TRP for several years.

I tend to keep the female-brain at home and expose it only to my partner (who has his own cognitive dichotomy, but it's distributed very differently because his work is less masculinely oriented than my STEM job). My partner has mentioned that I become noticeably colder to him when I'm in work-mode, so much so that from the way I answer the phone he can tell how deeply engaged I am in my work (or debating on Reddit). "Hi." "Oh, you're working. I'll call you back later."

HumanSockPuppet 11y ago

I understand what they're saying about relative accountability within the family structure and larger society, but its corrupt interpretation becomes "women are less intelligent than men".

One unfortunate consequence of being human is that we are want to reduce information so that it is easier to store and recall when we need it.

Consider these two sentences:

The king died and the queen died.
The king died, and then the queen died of grief.

Both sentences contain the same fundamental information. But the second sentence is much easier to store and recall because it reduces the dimensions of the context through the use of a narrative.

This is why you frequently see people drawing fatuous conclusions between aphorisms and concluding that "women are the most responsible teenagers in the house" somehow means "all women are idiots." It's narrative fallacy, yes, but it also makes the message digestible to people without the time or inclination to engage in deep reflection on the messages of the Red Pill.

We are creatures evolved to seek causality for the sake of survival. Being a school of thought, TRP cannot interpret anything. Only individuals can do that.

I'm not trying to create a divisive argument here

No, certainly not. I think this kind of discussion is precisely what we need here. Thank you for your thoughtful responses.

I'm a gay guy with probably 50/50 split in my cognitive orientation. But here's the thing, on any day I function with my "male" brain I find it very hard to use my "female" brain, and vice-versa. The two modes of cognition are entirely mutually exclusive.

I think this would make an excellent RP AMA, if you are willing.

elevul 11y ago

Would definitely be a very interesting AMA.

But regarding the "women are the most responsible teenagers in the house", I interpret it as more of a lack of rational choice on their part, rather than lack of capability of rational thought.

But if you put them in the right situation, same as a man, they turn out to be very capable, same as a teenager. It's the motivation that's missing.

OsoFeo 11y ago

I would be, if enough other RP subscribers endorsed the idea. I try to avoid being the attention-seeking guy who screams "LOOK AT ME I'M A GAY GUY IN TRP".

alphbux 11y ago

I think your observations on this would be fascinating.

AMA please!

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Would love to see an AMA on this.

Diabolo_Advocato 11y ago

There is a whole sub dedicated to gay men accepting TRP.

I believe it is /r/altTRP

Adach 11y ago

I do not agree with the TRP convention that women are constitutionally less intelligent than men.

I know there are threads that bash on women but TRP isn't about who is better or smarter, its about understanding the differences.

Zanford 11y ago

annnd if the guys did hit on her, they would be sexist pigs*

(*unless they were sufficiently attractive or successful, then they would be 'men who know what they want and aren't afraid to go for it')

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It's great, because she's living the dream of these reddit post-college losers who have a useless degree and can't get taken seriously (because they have no skills). To be a CEO of a startup and live the "entrepreneur" life and have all these people believe in your potential.

And all she wants is to be objectified and fucked right. That's the beautiful thing about women, they can be as high value as they want, but at the end of the day, they long to look up. Without a superior masculine presence to provide direction and guidance, most women are lost and miserable. To be successful in the masculine sense of achievement, one must be independent and an island, and be happy being that way. Women simply aren't wired to get to that level. Virtually all of the hardcore career women I know are miserable and on anti-depressants, and very bitter about dating and life in general.

As David Deida says, for men your #1 priority has to be your mission in life. But for 99% of women who try to live that way, they will be miserable.

Cyralea 11y ago

That's the beautiful thing about women, they can be as high value as they want, but at the end of the day, they long to look up

I work with lawyers, you couldn't be more right. So many of the new associates could easily chase their fellow associates, but no, they have eyes only for the senior partners. Their same age associates are on the same level, so not good enough.

You would be amazed at the number of divorced lawyers. The ones that are still in marriages typically have pretty shit lives at home. I recall one screaming her head off into her phone at her emasculated chump of a husband. And that was in front of me, I could only imagine what she says when no one else is around.

WindowToAlaska 11y ago

Any good ways to obtain those skills?

Soultrane9 11y ago

I suggest physical and mental discipline. Your day should be the following for months, even years based on your current level:

Get up early in the morning. Eat, go to work. Arrive home, no sitting down, you get your gym bag and head to the gym. After that you prepare your next day meal and in the remaining time (it should be 10pm at this point) you either read, work or just rest with your thoughts.

Shit's called Monk mode. It's hard, it's boring and you will feel alone. But that's the way.

copralalic 11y ago

Step one is having a vision. Step two is having a mentor.

Step zero is having some huge, brass swingers, because you are going to be tested, and you are going to fail... but that's where the vision comes in.

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copralalic 11y ago

She is not having trouble getting romantic attention from men. She mentioned both Tinder and OKC.

She is having trouble getting romantic attention from men she wants. Specifically, she wants to hook up with her old-money guy employees' school friends, i.e., more old money. And perhaps also with high-level executives or highly successful men at her fundraisers.

We all know there is no shortage of customers standing in the "Free Pussy" line. Unless she is literally a diseased troll, there will be any number of dudes who would throw one into her. Hell, even if she were a diseased troll. She wants a certain level of guy, and she's not getting that, and she's not going to get that on OKC or Tinder... hence the unhappies.

[deleted] 11y ago

Couldn't have said it better. Attraction from the opposite sex means nothing to a woman unless it's coming from people she's attracted to. A high achieving, high self-esteem, attractive woman is only really looking at the top % of guys to see how they respond to her. The remaining 99% of guys could be ready to amputate a leg to fuck her and she be upset that the 1% she's attracted to doesn't want her.

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MomoUnchained 11y ago

This goes back to the King and Queen analogy presented by Patrice O'Neal.

A woman cannot raise a man's status through her accomplishments, power, money, or status. If my wife cures cancer or closes a huge real estate deal, that doesn't make ME more of a badass. A woman's value to a man is in her physical beauty and her youth. Simple as that. Having a girlfriend that is hot as fuck would do more for my status with both men and women than having a girlfriend who is average looking but wealthy. Nobody gives a fuck if I'm a "doctor's husband".

A man cannot become a king by marrying a queen. He would simply be the queen's husband.

A woman on the other hand, does get her status from her partner's status. Women are 100% satisfied marrying a banker, doctor, or lawyer because that would make them a banker's/doctor's/lawyers WIFE. That would elevate their status in society.

When a woman marries a high status male, she shares his status. When a woman marries a king, she becomes a queen. A queen is the highest possible status a woman can ever attain. Who is the queen? The King's bitch. The highest possible position a woman could ever hope to attain is to be THE WOMAN of the most powerful man. A man can make himself a king, but a woman needs a man to become a queen.

exit_sandman 11y ago

Case in point: try to name the husbands of Margret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi or whomever (if you are at least somewhat familiar with the country in question). Hillary Clinton doesn't count.

And now try to name the wives/partners of powerful male politicians who aren't powerful politicans themselves.

vandaalen 11y ago

Hillary Clinton doesn't count.

She's a pretty good example though. Does she raise Bill's value in any way?

DoesNotMatterAnymore 11y ago

Well, one is a 2 times President of the USA, the other is Bill Clinton's wife. My point is, Bill will stay Mr. President for the rest of his life, and i don't think that Hillary will affect his value in any way. If she... and that a big IF.

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ilirm 11y ago

What really bothers me about her attitude is she can't seem to separate her personal life from her professional life. Can you image how insanely stupid it would be to complicate a successful business by fucking your subordinates? I don't think she sees that there is a whole wide world of cock available to her outside of her business. She cant seem to separate her feelings from her business decisions, and I see some serious problems in her future if she continues to seek male attention at work.

DoesNotMatterAnymore 11y ago

What really bothers me about her attitude is she can't seem to separate her personal life from her professional life.

Few months ago there was a blog post about a 60something woman, and her 50something lover. He told her, to dress up sexy, otherwise she will not pass the boner test. The guy said, that he really enjoys her company (personal value) but if she wanted to be fucked, she have to cover up for body, because, well, she is not hot anymore (sexual value).

She was freaking out, about how rude her lover was with her. She was unable (at the age of 60+) separate her personal value from her dried up sexual value.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

Women's brain really is in the pussy. If you're remotely attractive and alpha, expect to be hit on by half your female coworkers, that will all be already in a relationship. You would just want to scream them, "Can you realize how immensely stupid and suicidal this is? you're gonna lose your work and your male".

Men are less stupid under that aspect, they can control themself more, even if of course there are always a lot of dumbasses that cannot control their balls.

Rollo-Tomassi 11y ago

Perhaps she should consider that the guys she says are hitting on her initially, pull back because they don't want to risk a harassment suit from the woman who employs them.

They aren't intimidated by her aggrandized sense of 'empowerment', she's simply not worth the risk when there are more feminine, easy-going and more sexually available women to be had that don't present a career damaging risk.

Darkwoodz 11y ago

I'm not saying a disagree with your analysis, but theres the possibility that she isn't attractive and that is why the guys aren't interested in her.

Zackcid 11y ago

There's actually a high possibility of that being the case. I know very few physically attractive female business leaders. Most pretty girls have other priorities in life than investing sweat and tears into a business.

SteelChicken 11y ago

Congratulations, you are now equal.

Yep. Thats it in a nutshell.

elevul 11y ago

Someone let her know that those men won't be fucking her, but she can find plenty of men elsewhere who will treat her like a woman and provide exactly what she needs, in the exact same ways men (generally) don't fuck the women they meet at work, but fuck women outside, to avoid trouble.

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Or, she can exert political power and have the government protect and provide for her by having men sweat and bleed for the government, while being a strong, independent womyn.

Havib3 11y ago

Saw this thread and immediately knew it would pop up on TRP.

mvg210 11y ago

There's no free lunch I guess

ztsmart 11y ago

Personally I would find a successful woman much more attractive than some unambitious girl that is not competent and capable of getting things done herself.

I would love to date a girl who is on my level professionally because I think she would bring more to my life as a teammate and partner. I am generally pretty turned off by girls who are complete fuckups

vandaalen 11y ago

That only applies if you aren't looking to start a household and have kids. She will most likely always put her career in the first place and if she doesn't you'll nearly inavitably be facing some serious nagging about how you and your kids ruined her career.

Provided you aren't a big fan of having your kids raised by some mexican maid.

ztsmart 11y ago

Very true. I am /r/childfree

Diabolo_Advocato 11y ago

What you aren't getting is that guys that are really successful to the point of that woman CEO have so so many options. She may be attractive, but I doubt she could hold a match to some women out there or even some other Victoria secret model.

Why would a wealthy guy go for an Amy Poehler-ish woman when he can get Scralett Johansson look-a-like.

ztsmart 11y ago

I am pretty successful in my career, but I do not think it draws women to me very much. At least not the way I would like it to, or the way women go after some guys. I still get swiped left on Tinder.

Anyways, abundance aside--Because the Amy Poehleresque woman would likely bring more to my life than the Johnansson look-a-like. Also, in terms of having a partner I don't consider hottness, past a certain point to be that important. Obviously she has to be attractive to me, and hot enough to not lower my SMV, but what is the difference between a 7 and a 10? Certainly not worth that much to me.

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ModernDayPricus 11y ago

Yeah.

You pretty much nailed it.

Nothing to add here.

Great find man.

The fuckery I swear. The other side of the fence is called THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE because you can't take the former side with you.

Welcome to life as a man. Take it away Gus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFMl0lk1W9I

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Of course they pull guys aside and tell them you're off limits, you're the cash cow. The golden goose.

What happens if you get knocked up? You're out for months, possibly longer. That's their livelihood you're fucking with.

4_YRT 11y ago

Why doesn't she date guys outside of her profession? She could probably go to a college campus and snag some adjunct history professor who doesn't mind being the bitch in a relationship.

Aerobus 11y ago

Why doesn't she date guys outside of her profession?

Because she is a slave to her hypergamy. She will be unhappy if she dates someone beneath her, and she even knows this.

iluminatiNYC 11y ago

Excellent point. Or she could find someone with a high-presitge but relatively low paying job. Remember, that's how the Clintons made it work all the way to the White House. Yeah, Bill cheated, but he still got himself elected.

balancespec2 11y ago

Because the man has to be equal or superior for her to be attracted to him. Men typically want someone equal or inferior.

DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

Equal or superior, never fucking settle for going down. It is twice as much work and has near zero room for error. It is however the best way to be. Why would you want someone who is weaker than you? If you want a pushover go ahead. I want someone to keep me on my toes and ensure that I am always improving myself. That is RP theory at its heart, make yourself the best you can be. Training at the gym with weights under what you normally use does not make you stronger. The same is true RP, don't go the easy route. Go big and win big, or go big and fail big. Either way you learn and are better than you were before.

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DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

I love that I am being down voted for suggesting you fuckers get someone better than yourselves. That is some seriously weak shit, RP is not about bashing women or any other stupid bullshit I am seeing more and more of recently. It is about making YOURSELF as a man the best you can be by cutting through the PC bullshit. If you seek a woman who is better than you than you are increasing your market value. "Why is she with him?" This only increases yourself as it proves that you are worth more than others would think. Just be a fucking man and enforce your place as a man. This place is getting weaker and weaker every fucking month.

systemshock869 11y ago

Unless you enjoy being the bitch in the relationship, this almost never works. Women already have been taught that they are superior from a young age. In my personal experience, being with a woman who is smarter or more educated than you (huge difference) means that she will always act and feel superior, and that is a bitch to deal with in more than one way. Unless you find a unicorn that can be successful and still have a healthy view of gender roles, run.

DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

Let's get a correction here, American women are taught that shit. My wife is German, as in born and raised there. If you can't find what you are looking for in America than move overseas, find a woman and then come back (or stay doesn't matter). That is what I did and it has been great. Sure she is a bitch, but it takes a strong bitch to put up with the complete asshole I am. She knows she is the wife and I am the husband. I hold frame and there are no issues. Just fucking hold frame, it is literally RP 101.

Glenbert 11y ago

Another millennial "CEO." They build some shitty app invite their friends over and suddenly they think they're Jack fucking Welch.

Fuck these children.

TimeHo 11y ago

If i had a cushy job at fartapp.com I sure as hell wouldn't want to stick my dick in pandora's box. These dudes are just being pragmatic.

RP_Student 11y ago

Dude, you have no idea how successful they are. I know of companies that size which work out of apartments pulling in $1MM+ in revenue a month.

Glenbert 11y ago

Yeah, I've consulted a lot of "companies" like that. The reason they don't have proper offices is usually because they're hemorrhaging cash and no one in their right mind would lease to them.

Sure I don't know for sure, but after looking into the "books" of 7 different companies with millennial "CEOs" this year, I'm pretty confident in my guess.

"But we made $400,000 last month! What does COCA have to do with anything?"

Kingoffistycuffs 11y ago

I don't suppose you'd be willing to elaborate? What is a coca?

Glenbert 11y ago

It means Cost of Customer Acquisition. Might use COGS in another context. It should be evident to any self-anointed CEO why this matters. Unless your numbers make sense, you're just a kid with an idea.

stolidfact 11y ago

Cost of customer acquisition. I would say this is #1 reason of startup failure today. Think of it in terms of lifetime monetization of a customer based on your product/service offering. It costs a certain amount of money to acquire a customer. And a customer will pay out a certain amount of revenue over time. What most new startups do is say cool, we are going to be an app or be online/cloud. So how to get customers? I know! ads! google, etc. So they spend $200+ to get a customer because the conversion rate for those expensive ads is rather atrocious. But then that customer will either never even get to the breakeven point because there's no way that lifetime monetization will be $200, or the breakeven is 2+ years away (eg $10/month subscription revenue).

Lack of focus on the core basics of finance. Questions like... so what is your breakeven here? Does your cash flow support it? And how does this tie in to NPV? Structural business issues are tough to solve, and many startups fail because of them.

rztzz 11y ago

While this is true, it also underlines the extreme difficulty of starting and growing a successful business. It is why society gives social value to people who "start their own companies" but doesn't give social value to some random accountant. Nobody wants to interview an accountant. For this reason, I don't understand the hate for startup culture. If the entire country was accountants engineers and bankers the economy would go to crap.

stolidfact 11y ago

Absolutely. That's where the creativity and art of business comes in. No reward without risk. Sometimes, situations warrant taking a greater risk, and sometimes a lesser risk. In the case of coca, maybe it's worth it to bleed money for a while. Like what Amazon did in the diaper business.

I'm more with the originator of the coca discussion, though. Because some of the better successes in modern startups get cashflow quickly and do a more agile launch strategy so they can refine without sinking a ton of money and time into something that doesn't work in the market. Those startups tend to have respectable coca numbers, but it's just one part of the overall situation.

Kerberos- 11y ago

Costs of customer acquisition, a very important metric when valuing young firms going through a big growth and expansion phase.

Infinitezen 11y ago

Well, being bitter about it or them is completely counter productive and toxic to your mental health.

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Glenbert 11y ago

I keep picturing Pajama Boy when I read this comment of yours. Do you resemble him? Do you uptalk?

HumanSockPuppet 11y ago

This comment does not add to the discussion. Take it elsewhere.

CrazyHorseInvincible 11y ago

Removed.

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CrazyHorseInvincible 11y ago

Check your connection/browser... you're posting dupes.

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Infinitezen 11y ago

It adds about as much as the original comment, which is truly just unproductive bitching.

Glenbert 11y ago

I am undermining her premise and what's implied by it. I'm doing that based on my exposure to people of her age in business. They're generally entitled prestige whores and it's tiresome.

"Bitterness" aside, the "CEO" of a 7 person company is not doing 80% of the shit that a real CEO is doing. Really, you are a Founder or President at that point.

Others on TRP have already addressed the other issues with this woman's missive.

ilirm 11y ago

"CEO" of a 7 person company reminds me of my buddy who worked Internet marketing for a sleep clinic. he called himself VP of Marketing. LOL.

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ShekelBanker 11y ago

The backfire of the "strong, independent woman" mentality is beautiful; it was inevitable.

Captain_Self_Promotr 11y ago

I would like to stand and applaud your post, alas, all I have to give is a meager up vote.

passionr 11y ago

Interesting. I work at a consulting firm and hooked up with a female coworker this past weekend. She was very concerned that if people found out, she would be labeled as a slut and taken less seriously while I would be looked at as more of a boss. What do you guys think of this?

tilzilch 11y ago

Never a good idea. I think you'll both be looked at with disdain if management finds out. Being labeled a slut is the least of your concerns.

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the99percent1 11y ago

This absolutely shits me laughing..

Men have no problem settling for a girl who are less successful in work life.

Successful women rarely ever do. So they are conflicted.. They think men of similar calibre would be attracted to them.

Conflicted, successful women are conflicted.

el_chief 11y ago

"I ate the cake, but then there wasn't any left!"

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alisonstone 11y ago

Because she is highly successful, she ends up dealing with other successful business men. Successful businessmen have options. Also, more importantly, successful men are successful because of discipline. They are not going to risk their career and shit where they eat. The people who don't have that discipline usually get weeded out beforehand and never made it up the ladder to the level where they regularly interact with C-level executives.

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sticktothehardstuff 11y ago

Because she is highly successful, she ends up dealing with other successful business men.

Ehh. It's highly unlikely that she is successful, let alone, very successful. That's the narrative she's selling, but she doesn't even sell it well. Also highly doubt that she ends up dealing with other successful business men.

Successful businessmen have options. Also, more importantly, successful men are successful because of discipline. They are not going to risk their career and shit where they eat.

Ehh, again. Let's get real.

The people who don't have that discipline usually get weeded out beforehand and never made it up the ladder to the level where they regularly interact with C-level executives.

Some of this is true.

CanadianMastermind 11y ago

Regardless of gender, it's a pretty bad idea to try to find romance at the workplace. It works out in rare cases, but more often than not it will result in drama. If she were a male CEO, it still wouldn't be a good idea to try to sleep around with coworkers. Even if they did show interest.

balancespec2 11y ago

This. I don't flirt with attractive people at work. .. coworker or superior or subordinate

Zanford 11y ago

At a 7-person company, everyone is 'interacting with the C-level executives.'. Hell, everyone at a 7-person company sometimes IS a C-level executive. Tiny companies resemble circle jerks where everyoen gets off on having a fancy title. If you're the only HR person, congrats you are CHRO or at least SVP of HR. The Wikipedia article on C-suite has like 30 entries.

alisonstone 11y ago

I don't think she is talking about dating her own employees, or at least I hope she is smart enough not to do that because that is just looking for trouble. She's probably talking about dating people she meets at industry events, which would likely mean venture capitalists, investors, potential customers, and executives of other companies. The socially awkward nerdy programmer is generally not invited to these events because they don't add value, they just risk making the company look bad. Everybody at these events are socially savvy, so they know not to risk their own career or reputation to try to get a date.

User-31f64a4e 11y ago

This.

And she probably has a lot of determination, discipline and power. Not all that feminine, really.

Aerobus 11y ago

Successful businessmen have options.

This is too difficult for her hamster to understand.

copralalic 11y ago

Yes and no. Her hamster understands it perfectly, but doesn't actually believe it. I mean, her hamster would let her give advice to other women, but never let her apply that advice to herself, because she's someone special, after all.

Overkillengine 11y ago

A stunning number of women believe they are an exception to what should be common sense.

A former acquaintance of mine took up with a man that had yet to be faithful to any other woman he had been with, and for someone demented reason thought she would be different despite my warnings.

She is now a 30 year old single mom.

Aerobus 11y ago

Special snowflake syndrome in action.

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Overkillengine 11y ago

Oh I am aware. I even told her I knew that it was a waste of my breath warning her as I knew she would ignore it like a thirsty dog goes for antifreeze.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Let me make this very clear: she will end up alone or settling. Ther is no other option for her.

She has elevated her status and like all women, can only date men above her status. The men above her status don't give a fuck about her job or her money or her power. They have all of that already. What they want is what they don't have: something feminine and submissive.

Thats what they don't tell women about equality, they're effectively removin their options.

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joaquim56 11y ago

Hypergamy is a cruel mistress.

Mymobileacoconut 11y ago

she will end up alone or settling

I have seen a few Mamma's boy (vs Daddy's girl) relationships, with powerful women and submissive guys. Some women are into it, but it doesn't look like this one is...

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

There is an exception to every th ing

DoctorWelch 11y ago

This is actually a great summation of the problem. As a woman, you can't raise your value too this high a degree or you are effectively forced to abandon your female ideal of what a mate should be.

Choose one, have a higher value guy or be a higher value woman.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Can't have cake and eat it too

That is one of the core lessons of trp

Cyralea 11y ago

I wouldn't put it that way. Raising your status and wealth as a woman does not raise her value. Therein lies the problem. A high-value man does not see a high-achieving woman as high-value. But due to the solipsistic nature of women they assume that what they're attracted to is what similarly attracts men.

A high-value female would be a highly physically attractive woman that few other men have had access to.

DoctorWelch 11y ago

I think we are both right. I guess what we should say is that these are two different types of value. She cannot raise her man-value, so to speak, too far or else she effectively becomes a man to those around her.

Essentially, have a higher value man or be a woman with those same characteristics that make a higher value man.

newlifeasredpill 11y ago

I work at a top bank and can tell you that almost every female managing director is either divorced or married to a stay at home dad.

The married ones have zero respect for their pot smoking husbands. They treat them like the employees they order around. No difference.

1independentmale 11y ago

They treat them like the employees they order around.

I've seen this too many times to count. My parents have this exact relationship. Dad works hard and always has but Mom makes more money and wears the pants. She barks orders at him on the daily. They have separate bedrooms and split the bills 50/50 now. Basically just roommates.

Nobody wants that shit.

cptspiffy 11y ago

Husbands like that are employees.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

People settle and or lie to themselves every day.

Don't believe me? Tell people porn is bad for them.

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TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Not really. It's people's addiction.

Men hamster harder than women do.

newlifeasredpill 11y ago

In this case I think it's not a lie but a very gradual case of the badass mama slowly "falling out of love" with her underachieving husband.

Remember....she is surrounded by guys who get shit done all day. When she comes home and the husband is actively managing his fantasy football team and not sending out resumes...her pussy dries up.

ikoenig 11y ago

This is where being living in the others shoes doesn't work either. A successful dominant male has folks he can direct, lead in work AND expects that at home. With the roles reversed unless she's got a real beta who is submissive and she's wired to enjoy being dominant, she isn't turned on by this.

Dominants are turned on by leading and get enjoyment from leading.

Cacciaguida 11y ago

The married ones have zero respect for their pot smoking husbands. They treat them like the employees they order around. No difference.

why is this? why would they even bother?

reallybloodylongname 11y ago

cheap babysitting, trying to keep up with her female friends (look i have a husband too!)

bluedrygrass 11y ago

Not only that. Women simply cannot live alone. They need some emotional tampon, they need to have someone to talk to, mostly they need someone to dump responsibilities on.

newlifeasredpill 11y ago

It is important to have SOMEONE around for "read with your child day class visits", sick days, early dismissals, etc.

School ends at two thirtyish. If mom is a kick ass I banker than her kids need chess and soccer and swim lessons right?

The problem is that when DAD is the one handling all this stuff then MOM has zero attraction to him. Knowing what we know here...how the fuck could she?

newlifeasredpill 11y ago

Good Question. Based on what I have seen they meet in college or when she was a rising analyst or VP. At my bank one isn't considered for MD til they have 10 to 15 years in. At this point they have hit the wall (many times they hit it earlier than normal due to stress) and already married and have a kid or two. So she is fucking busy and the nanny costs like 3 to 4 k a month cuz mom works 75 hours a week AND travels so they CONCLUDE that dad isn't going anywhere with his career and is always underemployed so they decide he should be home. Usually with the nanny because of course he is looking for work.

These women end up despising their husbands. I have seen it over and over.

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feelinglazy 11y ago

Why would any self-respecting man want to do that?

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DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

It also depends on what your priorities are as well. I am a red pill parent and a woman like her is exactly what I was looking for and found. I want my children to have the best possible genes they can have. If I marry an intelligent attractive woman with a strong drive than my children likely have a higher genetic base. Biological parents heavily influence their children. I want the best possible genes and chances of success for my children. This form of RP is solely for me wanting to leave my own genetic legacy, nothing more. I have no plans to spend the rest of my life with her and she knows it. We are happily married with children, once the children are gone are premise for marriage is gone as well.

RP is about improving yourself and how you interact with the world. Understanding the truth behind all the PC bullshit. Genetics is one of those truths that people try to PC away from. "Everyone is Equal" is bullshit at it's core. Marrying to have children requires you to think of the welfare of your future children. Picking a mate that is at the top of the pyramid where you are only makes sense.

Edit: If anyone complains about dealing with such a strong woman and the problems that will cause I only have one thing to say. Man the fuck up and take control. My wife is smart enough and capable enough to challenge me, she is looking for weakness. I don't show her any and we stay happy. It is a fuck ton of work for sure, it is also worth it since it increases my game and keeps my children in a very strong household.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

See, you're doing a basic mistake here. You're searching masculine traits in a female.

Try reversing your reasoning. A woman wants her female daughters to be cute and feminine like her, and hopefully more. Using your reasoning... she ends up marrying a feminine man.

It does not work that way.

DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

Yeah I am, and it would work like that if she really wanted a small framed feminine child she should marry a small framed feminine man. That is how genetics works, the children take on the traits of their parents. Both the good and the bad. That is how biology works, it is pretty straightforward here. If two tall people have a child the child has a greater chance of being tall. Two short=short, two dumbasses= dumbass child. This is literally elementary level biology here.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Well, no. Your children can learn a strong drive from you, as they should.

DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

Which they will, if you think genetics from both parents being predisposed for having a strong drive doesn't play a large role then you need to reread all the literature proving that nature plays a larger role than nurture. Why handicap your child genetically by giving them a parent predisposed for being weaker? This makes no sense, it has been proven over and over that genetics play a huge role in who and what people become.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Because I've met alot if successful men whose mom's were house moms

Cyralea 11y ago

You're conflating intelligence and advancing a career. The two definitely have a correlation, but it's possible to find an intelligent woman that's not married to a career.

All things being equal, I'd rather have a woman who can raise my children rather than one that goes out hunting for a bigger paycheque.

DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

My wife has her masters and does not go after a career, she enjoys being a wife and mother. I also pushed her to that and she is happy. She still works, don't get me wrong. She works though because she wants to, and she works in jobs now because they are fun, not to get a higher salary or anything. You can have a smart, successful, and high quality wife without losing the mother. She will not be a full time stay at home mom most likely but hey that's fine. Who wants a lazy ass woman sitting all day at home? The kids will go to school eventually and then what is she to do? Her accolades and profession will ensure she has a high paying non-blue collar job. Do you want the mother of your children working at McDonalds?

Cyralea 11y ago

You can not have a highly successful career woman that is also a highly successful mom. It's just not possible. Whatever time she takes away from advancing her career is something that her male peers do not have to do. Over time she will fall behind such people.

Your wife doesn't need to be a stay-at-home mother, but I'd much rather be with a woman who has a job that allows flexibility to deal with children. Flexible hours, time off to deal with sick kids, etc.

I don't need a business partner, I need a nurturer.

DinosaursGoPoop 11y ago

I agree with you here. I do not want a business partner I want a nurturer as well. I also want that bio parent to be the best possible genes for my child. If she as the woman agrees to be a mother than it is my responsibility as the husband to keep her on the right track. To pull her from her from her career path into a lower stress one. To ensure that she can still enjoy her work but have time to be a mother. That she is no longer pushing at the office, instead she is doing something more relaxing so she can be a better mother. That is my job as the husband, to keep the house dynamics the way they need to run.

Now that doesn't mean being an abusive douche, it does mean taking the time to tell her what I expect from a mother before we get married. That she knows what I want and that she will have to make sacrifices at work to be that mother. I did this with my wife, I laid it out straight up no bullshit. She was happy and more than willing to do it. I held frame as a man, I took charge without stepping on her and shit is great.

RP is about being the best, so we should be the best. Even if it is hard and requires intense work still fucking do it. It makes you better and pays out in spades. Some agree with me some don't, either way this is how I have lived RP long before I even heard of RP and it works fucking amazing. I agree with RP for the most part. Doesn't mean it still has no room to grow, it does. I am in the decided minority as a RP married father, this is my take on it. Hope it gives some insight and helps others.

MomoUnchained 11y ago

She has elevated her status and like all women, can only date men above her status. The men above her status don't give a fuck about her job or her money or her power.

DING DING DING. We have a winner!

Men in general, don't care about a woman's accomplishments as far as money and power go. I could give a shit if a girl I banged was a CEO or worked at Taco Bell as long as she was hot, sucked me, fucked me, and shut her fuckin mouth.

I don't really care about a woman's status, education level, or earning power unless it will negatively affect my own. I'm just looking for something hot to fuck.

1independentmale 11y ago

I could give a shit if a girl I banged was a CEO or worked at Taco Bell as long as she was hot, sucked me, fucked me, and shut her fuckin mouth.

Right, and the CEO is never going to be that girl. She's wealthy and powerful and isn't going to submit to men like that.

That may well be another reason dating life is difficult for her.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Well, again, no.

Both responses I've gotten are extreme.

You want a woman who is nurturing, affectionate, and mothering so as to be a good standard and moral provider for your children.

But the only guys who care about a woman's power and money aren't the kinda men these women want.

copralalic 11y ago

I disagree. Given two equal women, if one of them is a physician, I'll go for the physician. That's how I think, maybe I'm in the minority.

Then again, the one that's the physician is less likely to be willing to be the woman I want her to be due to the fact that she perceives her SMV as higher, so the one that is not a physician (the nurse, PT, dietician, etc) is more likely to act like and be the woman I would actually want.

So, if the two choices were exactly identical, I would take the more accomplished one as a tie-breaker, but that is unlikely to ever freakin' happen.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

By marrying an high status, successful woman you're marrying a woman lees inclined to be a caring affectionate and nurturing companion to you and your childrens.

Wants succesful, alpha traits in a woman for your offspring? Take a look at the female penitentiary. And you'll end up with your "woman" throwing your childrens out the window, raging at you, and perpetually unsatisfied and wanting for more.

The most successful mothers aren't the scientists nerds, are the most feminine and caring ones.

Cyralea 11y ago

Compared to what though? A physician vs. a lawyer might be an easy pick, but what about a school teacher? Honestly, I'd rather have the teacher. A physician would hardly be home.

cocaine_face 11y ago

Dating a doctor is tough. I dated a surgeon for a couple months - girl was always busy, and always stressed out.

Matsew 11y ago

except if they are ever gonna be 'high status', they are going to have to adopt a masculine mindset. more stress, more testosterone, no fucks given about feelings, get it done. the ones that make it will both look less feminine and act controlling as fuck which are two things you don't ever want in a woman.

PeteMullersKeyboard 11y ago

No, I agree. I don't enjoy the company of unintelligent people, this idea that women are just fuckboxes is childish and short-sighted. I don't waste my time with people that are boring or stupid. Women included.

bluedrygrass 11y ago

But you're doing the mistake of dividing women in two categories, scientists and stupid. Those two extremes are both wrong choices, but i'd argue the scientists one is the worst. Those females are females only on the outside (if even), inside they are a worst mess than the standard female is.

PeteMullersKeyboard 11y ago

I don't know about that, you think that the average, vapid, "basic white girl" is a superior person to spend time around? Boring people annoy me to no end, so I guess maybe I'm biased. Most of my friends have pretty extreme personalities, and so have all the woman I've ever been involved with. It makes for a less boring, more volatile life, which I can understand isn't for everyone.

MomoUnchained 11y ago

I disagree. Given two equal women, if one of them is a physician, I'll go for the physician.

Well no shit? We aren't in disagreement then. When did I ever say if all other things were equal that I would take the lower status woman?

copralalic 11y ago

I did not mean to put words in your mouth. I apologize if that happened.

There are those who would deliberately choose the non-physician in that circumstance, because the physician might be masculinized by her achievement, or might have a more jaded attitude (seriously jaded if she's worked in a hospital for long), or she might be tempted to keep her career rather than raise the children as her primary occupation, etc.

I am not looking for a mother of my children or housewife, and I enjoy an intellectual challenge, so I would choose the physician, personally. The money would be nice, too.

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"I came here to BREED, not to LEAD"

copralalic 11y ago

I read it as brag-plaining. Very hamsterish of her.

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theultimatewarriors 11y ago

As a business leader, your responsibility is not to breed, but to make sound business decisions so that everyone in your company can continue to profit and prosper.

I'm gonna disagree here. I don't think having a baby has anything to do with it. It's more so that it's going to be hard for a man to maintain his confidence dating this woman. Because for a man to have a healthy ego (confidence) it usually means he's doing his best at competing in some field. As smart as she is, I imagine she is going to question a lot of decisions in the relationship, which is the exact opposite of what most men want when they make a decision, because it shows lack of trust, which means lack of intimacy usually too because the woman refuses to make herself vulnerable (which is often the best way to make a man care for a woman).

The equivalent would be if a girl was dating a guy who cared about his looks and was asking if certain clothes made him look good and checking himself out in the mirror and adjusting his hair more than the woman did, she wouldn't feel confident enough to make him happy unless she was much hotter than him to where it didn't matter.

That's why the comment about old money made me laugh too. A lot of the old money guys I've met who had it easy (not all, but a lot) could be some of the biggest pussies I've ever met in my life. They simply didn't understand what it took to hustle and push through bullshit you didn't want to do. They didn't understand training towards what you wanted more than just getting it. So there's probably a huge dichotomy of this woman being extremely bullheaded with these men, and them wanting women who didn't push them at all.

Her only option is to hope that someone who is richer and more confident in their decision making (in a way that they can dominate her and she can be confident in their decision making to take care of her) decides that they want to have a relationship with her (but those same men will have more options than any men, which means that they also will have women who have awesome woman game to choose from and make everything else in their relationship life easier for him, and not many women understand that keeping a man means knowing strategies to keep them happy). That or she ends up making a bad decision and trying to have a relationship with a man with delusional confidence (the dj's, the drug dealers, the bikers, the rock stars, etc..), but my guess is that she challenges them a lot too.

Gonna be rough for her to find a good man without working on her woman game, which is even harder to find for women (actual quality good advice, not stupid magazine bullshit).

Just_for_boobs 11y ago

Or she could begin with what other successfull CEO's do- paying for pussy.

kick6 11y ago

The telling part is this:

I know I'm an attractive girl, I take care of myself, keep myself in shape, and I'm focused and bullish in business...

This is the short list of things she assumes men find attractive. Even after an entire article telling here that the last bit: "bullish in business" isn't attractive...it's still on her list of what she thinks men find attractive. The lack of introspection is fucking impressive.

ExpendableOne 11y ago

You can either be: Strong, independent, respected and forever unloved or Protected, provided-for, and subservient to the man who sweats and bleeds for you.

Not really. She's a woman(who claims to be attractive), she pretty much can have it both ways. She's financially strong and independent but there is nothing stopping her from romantically pursuing those men either. If those men appear to be sexually/romantically uninterested in her to try to keep things professional and profitable, then not only can she just fix that by approaching those men romantically/sexually(or, maybe just even mentioning being interested) but she is in a position of power. She can dictate the rules. Instead, she just complains that men aren't doing all the work for her, the way she feels entitled to for being a woman.

And, really, even if she didn't want those guys, there's certainly plenty of loving, supportive and passionate men out there who would actually love her for who she is, rather than how much money she makes. The problem here is that she would look at those men and view them as being lower than dirt, because they aren't "alpha" males. Like many successful women, she is using her financial success to justify an entitlement to a richer "alpha" to make her feel like a "real woman"(weak, dependent, unrespected and submissive) while maintaining the lifestyle she's grown accustomed to.

Overzealous_BlackGuy 11y ago

No woman wants to be the one to approach men, the fact that she isnt approached is her problem she feels less valuable, by the lack of approach that is whats being said

Matsew 11y ago

you don't pursue men as a woman unless you want to be pumped and dumped lmao

ExpendableOne 11y ago

this couldn't be further from the truth. it all depends on the type of guy a girl approaches and most would be looking for something substantial too.

Matsew 11y ago

it could be further from the truth:) women don't approach. it is culture and biology. if they do they are desperate and/or want someone with a much higher smv. men crave sex all the time and are the risks takers, they have to approach. women's sex drive is cyclic and they can't just give their pussies to everyone or it becomes worthless.

ExpendableOne 11y ago

Men approach because they have to, not because they are nature's risk takers. For every guy that's learned he'll starve if he doesn't hunt, there's a guy who tries to be cautious before taking each step. Women don't approach because they don't really need to take risks when they don't have to(why face social anxiety, share a burden or risk rejection when guys are already conditioned to chase you in the first place) or because they've come to expect a certain kind of attention from men. Men don't just approach because they're horny and women don't just reciprocate because they happen to be on her cycle at that moment. Humans are a little bit more pragmatic than that and able of practising some foresight.

fullhalf 11y ago

Protected, provided-for, and subservient to the man who sweats and bleeds for you.

this is not true at all. yea it's true for her business circles but what about the male population at large? the real reason why successful women are alone is because women can't stand to be with a man who is less than her. so when a woman becomes highly successful, it's very hard for her to find a man that's better than her because men don't look for success in women, they look for beauty and kindness. so unless that successful woman has those qualities, he's not going to want her. meanwhile, all women want him and he can choose who he wants. on the other hand, she is very picky and before she knows it, she's in her late 30s and it's too late to find a decent guy and she has to settle and feel dissatisfaction and bitterness for the rest of her life. no man who has a choice is going to pick an old woman for a mate. there are rare occasions where a man has fucked so many young and hot women that he may want something more, like george clooney. he's probably so old now that his libido is completely gone and he'd rather have intellectually stimulating conversations.

HumanSockPuppet 11y ago

What I find most interesting about this post is that she feels like a failure precisely because men won't hit on her.

She senses that "female success" is measured by male desire, and that if men won't pursue her then she has somehow "failed as a female."

It's compelling evidence for the argument that gender differences are as much a matter of firmware (that is, our instincts) as they are a difference in our hardware (our physical configurations).

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furythree 11y ago

What I find is the biggest problem about hose wanting equality is that just because it makes sense socially. It doesn't work that way psychologically that's engrained into our natural instincts. Her example is the perfect scenario where she's achieved equality but she doesn't get to double dip because you can't have it both ways

incraved 11y ago

We all want someone to share our lives with, innit?

She is feeling bad because men don't want her. It's completely normal, not because she is a woman specifically, but because she is a human.

copralalic 11y ago

The tragedy is that she seems to have no insight as to why.

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the99percent1 11y ago

She could easily settle for someone less. But that's not going to happen.. Women rarely date down.

Men date non-discriminately and don't have a long list of unrealistic expectations on potential partners.

She is suffering from a classic case of having too few options. But her limitations are self imposed. So I find it bewildering that she's finding fault in the world, when instead, she should be looking at herself.

And that opens up another can of jars. Women don't like to judge themselves or hear the truth. She's going to be alone for the rest of her life.

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Aerobus 11y ago

The fact that you have an open mind and are willing to entertain 'controversial' viewpoints means that you'll be able to fix your situation. TRP is known for having some vitriol, but if you can get past that, there is a lot to take away from this thread. Really understand your position so you can fix it.

LewisSkolnick 11y ago

You are in a unique position. The guys you mention probably think that if they hook up with you, it won't be worth it because it puts their career in jeopardy. And anything more then that - marriage for instance - they have probably ruled out too because you make more money / have more power then they do.

Your target market is high-end but very small in number... as in a guy who makes as equal / more than you, is a stud etc.

Whatever you end up doing - just make certain you don't settle for some beta dope. Don't do the ever popular "lean-in" technique and marry some pudgy doofus who has no spine.

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bluedrygrass 11y ago

It won't work anyway, not for long. She behaves different due to her position and her traits that lead her there. So she won't be a good wife/gf.

This if she finds someone, higher or lower than her, than is willing to take her. Wich is not a given, because females like her are typically a pain in the ass and ultimately unreliable for long relationships.

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Exactly! She is so much of everything that she wants in a man that she expects men to be attracted to her, because she would be attracted to a male version of her!

This woman is the mirror image of a man who was sensitive to a woman's feelings, who was considerate of her every need, who offered to cook her breakfast and let himself be used for her pleasure with no consideration of his own ... and then who wondered why no woman wanted to fuck him.

87GNX 11y ago

Fucking solipsism, how does it work?

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Here2lrn 11y ago

What I find most interesting about this post is that she feels like a failure precisely because men won't hit on her.

More like because desirable men at business fundraisers won't hit on her. Bet if a factory worker wandered over and tried it on in his high vis she'd think he was a creep.

HumanSockPuppet 11y ago

More like because desirable men at business fundraisers won't hit on her. Bet if a factory worker wandered over and tried it on in his high vis she'd think he was a creep.

Wealth is not a guarantee of status. Only dominant, Machiavellian behaviour is.

But we believe wealth to be a signifier of status when we see it because wealth often follows from dominant Machiavellian behaviour.

This woman would likely fall head-over heels for a dark triad surfer bum she met during a Hawaii business trip. Without need or interest in her money-making ability, he would be free to flirt and court her the way her instincts demand.

TRP_FuckFeminists 11y ago

Youre full of shit. Wealth itself can be enough for status. case in point: Justin beiber. Where's his Machiavellian dominant behavior?

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the99percent1 11y ago

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2521198/Justin-Bieber-called-fan-beached-whale-Australian-tour.html

someone who says and does as he please. The mark of a dark triad person.

Bet the girl didn't press harassment charges. Bet she was turned on by his behavior.

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TRP_FuckFeminists 11y ago

He had better numbers when he did none of those things.

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Zackcid 11y ago

He used to get 12 year old girls. Now he's hanging with models.

fap_the_pain_away 11y ago

That's retarded, Bieber has his fortune from saying and doing exactly the things that turn women on. His branding is as machiavellian as it can possibly get. Chicks are like puppets on his media company's string.

TRP_FuckFeminists 11y ago

He had better numbers when he did none of those things.

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squishles 11y ago

He's in a demographic transition, dropping the old fanbase while trying to build a new one. In 5 years the media will start selling him as having matured.

14 year old middle school virgin girls aren't looking for the same thing as 20 year old college girls.

Ktigers 11y ago

"People want to work for her"

Well in that case, no shit noone wants to date her.

Business and personal relationships should never be interwined

gameno 11y ago

I watched a video posted a few hours ago that ties in to this idea. The guy points out that women are in a "Renaissance" and are getting more and more of what they want, including higher education and better pay, yet they are stuck in an older mindset of looking for men that are going to provide for them and protect them.

Women want to have their cake and eat it too. And there is no reasoning with them because their mentality is always "we have less" or "we are weaker" so "we deserve more."

balancespec2 11y ago

So they're like a racial minority in the us

exit_sandman 11y ago

It's a common mentality in a west. "Group X had been victimized in the past by group Y, therefore members of group X have a moral edge (because victims can never be bad, and if they are, circumstances are to blame) and also deserve reparations by group Y for past victimization.

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The odd part being that women are the majority in every single western nation.

smith5ar 11y ago

Sins of our Fathers. That would be racist/sexist because non Hispanic white men have been the majority, and past generations had (actively or passively) kept out women and minorities. Companies/society let these events happen to make up for that exclusion to an extent

pissoutofmyass 11y ago

Or like whites compared to Asians.

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bat_mayn 11y ago

Women basically want to go back 60 years in time, and have their own version of Mad Men.

They don't understand, that's never going to happen again, because of their pursuit to neuter and subvert the workplace they will have to mire themselves in the sterile misery as well.

Made your bed, now lie in it.

Hoodwink 11y ago

I don't know. The offices I've seen - there's a lot of sex going around. But, these were offices for an engineering firm with sweet government contracts that were not going to get away. (None of the engineers/IT were involved in the sex - it was purely executives/management/sales.)

Never worked for a start-up or entrepreneur, so it might be different.

neveragoodtime 11y ago

Another victim of her own victimhood. She can thank all the strong independent women who came before her that milked the system in sexual harassment claims. Surprise surprise, dudes now avoid work place romance. This will probably follow on college campuses, until the only girls who can get laid are the ones who pay money for it.

poindeckster 11y ago

Missing out on something fundemental in her life, and its making her doubt herself to her ver y core

Sounds like an issue many people face in life with any amount of power

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NEVER shit where you eat. These guys are smart not to go near her.

RedPillMatic 11y ago

Great post. Women claim they want equality until it smacks them in the face.

Seuguh 11y ago

Her and that catcalling woman would have a lot to say to each other.

ZaoMedong 11y ago

There are families where both the man the woman work... so that's a false dichotomy. Also, you're generalizing half the world's population based of the testimony of a single businesswoman from the United States.

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TheSKSpecial 11y ago

The "false dichotomy" you're referring to is one you just made up. Nobody said women can't work. What is being said is that a woman who chooses to become a "strong, independent, career-driven woman" ends up sacrificing what would bring her happiness in a relationship.

Not to mention, very little of the world even has women facing this dilemma of having to be "career-driven business women" who have to take on masculine traits in order to succeed. This is very much a western thing. Most cultures still follow gender-based roles where the male provides and protects and the female nurtures and cares.

ZaoMedong 11y ago

There are homosexual men and women, so what happens withn non-heterosexual couples?

Where do you get the idea that women need to be subservient in order to fulfilled? There can be fulfillment beyond sexual gratification for both men and women. Celibate men and women can achieve spiritual fulfillment beyond sex that men are "entitled" to and sexual humiliation that women "really want."

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AreYouAware_ 11y ago

There are homosexual men and women, so what happens withn non-heterosexual couples?

TRP does not really care about homosexual strategy, since it is expressly about heterosexual men succeeding at attracting women.

Where do you get the idea that women need to be subservient in order to fulfilled? There can be fulfillment beyond sexual gratification for both men and women. Celibate men and women can achieve spiritual fulfillment beyond sex that men are "entitled" to and sexual humiliation that women "really want."

AWALT is the standard acronym used on this sub. You appear to approach the world with the idea that generalizations as a whole are bad and invalid, since they fail to account for every case. TRP embraces generalizations as valuable, not because literally every woman embodies them but because it's useful to assume they are true until proven otherwise in an individual basis.

If generalizations were a bad tool for planning strategy, then why would companies perform market research and analysis?

Also, you are the one throwing around the word "entitlement" here. TRP philosophy expressly and unequivocally states that no man is entitled to sex with anyone. You confuse identifying and playing to turn ons, and playing to human psychology as entitlement, when it is nothing more than using tools that work to get what you want. No man is entitled to sex by virtue of being a man. No woman is entitled to a relationship just because she has a vagina.

JamesRoscoe 11y ago

Give this book a whirl. After that this lady will no longer be a mystery.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Women-Want-What-Men-Want/dp/0195131037

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squishles 11y ago

anything else doesn't really work ceo level, sometimes you can be soft and it's more effective, but you still need to be capable of bringing the hammer down.

I guess you could be thinking women in adjutant positions ect that sort of thing, but your still not going to have an easy time getting dates through coworkers/bosses ect like that. There has been a lot of work done to make that sort of thing insanely dangerous for men.

asd1100 11y ago

I think women are more suited to managing men than women. I can not be soft on people.

I think with proper training, in modern sales, where you can+t be a shark women are excelent.

You can do things without being a man.

I was talking about professional not for dating. You can be a woman and be a professional.

MagnanimousGenius 11y ago

I would say the middle ground is busting the balls of your beta male husband for the rest of your life

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sweetenigma 11y ago

You can either be:

Strong, independent, respected and forever unloved or Protected, provided-for, and subservient to the man who sweats and bleeds for you. There is no middle ground. Make your choice and live with it.

There has to be a middle ground, right? I mean you just have to separate business from Love/ pleasure.

AreYouAware_ 11y ago

No, you can't. Not if you're mate-hunting on professional grounds. Not when there are laws that govern what constitutes sexual harassment in the workplace. Not when a rebuffed sexual advance or a failed relationship compromises your position to advance your career.

Her value as a sex provider is in direct conflict with her value as a wealth and opportunity provider. No surprise then, that men find her wealth provision potential to be a better and safer long term bet than her pussy provision.

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No. Check out what she said about the matter.

She spends a lot of time working, there isn't a lot of time for love or pleasure. Sure, she could work less hard and make more time for a romantic life. But then her business would fail and the respect that those CEOs had for her would evaporate.

Someone seeking a middle ground here would end up like the donkey that starved to death between the two piles of hay, trying to decide.

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The problem that this woman faces is that a woman's sexual strategy is passive - be attractive, wait for guys to hit on her. A man's sexual strategy is active - go hit on women. A man in a similar position could take 5 minutes to go hit on a barista or waitress. 5 minutes of waiting for a dude to hit on her is pointless, she needs to dedicate time to it.

Plus not all success is measured in being a CEO of a corporate type setting.

She measures her success by that metric.

regularbowls 11y ago

I think this is a pretty good problem to have for a woman. She just needs to find someone more successful than her. To these men, knowing her professionally is worth more than knowing her romantically, so it appears to me she's hanging around some urchins.

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She just needs to find someone more successful than her.

These dudes aren't hitting on her because they don't want to fuck up their careers. So, if she wants someone more successful, she needs to find someone who is enormously more successful than her, to the point that they aren't a colleague. Good luck on that one.

regularbowls 11y ago

why is that so difficult? if I read correctly, she's from San Francisco. there are plenty of other "CEOs" there as well as other successful people in general. she also seems to be hanging around colleagues in her industry so of course she's going to encounter brown nosers. she isn't taking advantage of online dating either. honestly, I think she just wants to complain about being "too successful" for guys around her to boost her ego. or maybe that's insensitive.

alisonstone 11y ago

She'll likely have to look at other industries. CEOs don't want to fuck CEOs of other companies in the same industry because their paths may cross in the future and it would create conflicts of interest. CEOs have responsibilities to the other stakeholders and employees.

Imagine a deal is struck between two companies. One company always gets the better side of the deal, often by chance and not because he/she was the better negotiator or was better informed. Think about the backlash and lawsuits if people discovered that the CEOs have been fucking each other. People would think that sex and personal favors played a role in the negotiations, and someone is going to lose control of his/her company.

regularbowls 11y ago

frankly, that's a pretty ridiculous sentiment.

loddfavne 11y ago

If you fuck somebody and you leave them, they'll be your ex. The ex is always the bad guy. Do you really want to negotiate with your ex in a business meeting?

alisonstone 11y ago

And it is not just negotiating. The ex will likely talk shit about you. It's a small community. There have been numerous examples posted here before about how some CEO was accused of sexism (ex: ex-GitHub CEO) and that caused a lot of trouble. And in the GitHub situation, supposedly there wasn't even any sex involved. You piss someone off that has status in a small community and they can slander you and cause damage even if you didn't do anything wrong.

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Sure, she's hanging around colleagues. That's because she's devoting her life overwhelmingly to her job. As for online dating, my guess is that men who are more successful than her have better options than going online.

honestly, I think she just wants to complain about being "too successful" for guys around her to boost her ego.

Eh, this doesn't seem like bragplaining to me. Usually those kind of things are women complaining about womanly attributes bringing them too much male attention. In this case she's coming pretty close to saying she's dateless because she's unfeminine. Note that she's not hostile towards these dudes that are all business with her, just puzzled.

regularbowls 11y ago

unfeminine. that's a good point. a minute ago I was thinking that she could simply try to hit on guys herself. she mentioned how one guy was hitting on her but then stopped when he figured out who he was. but that's the point, HE was hitting on HER. and that's what she wants. to be pursued, but she can't have that because she feels she's put herself in a dominant position. funny how that works. she actually seems like an interesting person to date to be honest.

Cyralea 11y ago

She just needs to find someone more successful than her.

There's a problem with that, in that a person more successful than her has options. He could easily choose a younger, hotter woman. Her career does nothing to attract a more attractive man; what use does he have for more income?

Women simply don't understand this, due to their solipsism.

regularbowls 11y ago

first, you know nothing of her attractiveness. second, I actually find her success attractive. you are basing your conclusions on unfounded assumptions.

Cyralea 11y ago

first, you know nothing of her attractiveness

You don't seem to understand my point. Her physical attractiveness is what will draw a more successful man, not her own success.

Most men, particularly men who have achieved some degree of success, pursue hot young women rather than simply successful women. They'll still pursue a successful woman so long as she is physically attractive.

Be honest, would you rather be with an ugly, successful woman, or a beautiful but poor woman, all else being equal?

regularbowls 11y ago

let's be fair. neither of us know what she looks like, so you are assuming she's unattractive. in fact, she seems to think she's attractive herself and apparently guys hit on her until he knows who she is. does that not lead you to think shes physically attractive?

to answer your question, yes, I would not be with an ugly person, but if she's physically attractive AND a successful person, I would find her overall more attractive than a normal, physically attractive woman. wouldn't you think the same?

Cyralea 11y ago

let's be fair. neither of us know what she looks like, so you are assuming she's unattractive.

It's pretty obvious she's not also physically attractive, else, why would men be avoiding her? If she's hot and has a lot of money (and presumably intelligent), you don't think a number of these guys wouldn't be lining up?

Honestly, no, I wouldn't prefer a more successful woman. I make good money. I'd rather have someone who wasn't married to their job. I work with lawyers, believe me, they're the worst type of people you could marry. 12 hour days, weekends, sudden interruptions for emergencies, etc. A career woman sees her career as her number one priority, not you.

Honest question, do you make average to below-average income?

regularbowls 11y ago

she explained why. she seems to think they are intimidated by her success or they don't want to ruin their career prospects. seems reasonable to me.

that is your opinion then, isn't it? I don't want a woman I'm dating to see me as number one priority. I certainly don't see women as mine.

I actually own two businesses and make very good money.

Cyralea 11y ago

She provided her reasoning for why she thinks men don't want to date her. As usual, her hamster kicked in and provided an explanation that absolves her of responsibility. The other men aren't intimidated by her. They're from old money, they simply don't see her wealth as adding value. That's why I asked you about your financial situation; in my experience it's only ever been men without means who are attracted to a woman's wealth, but they're typically not the kind of men that she would be attracted to.

Be honest, are you intimidated by a female CEO? I sure as hell ain't. It's a bullshit excuse women use to make them feel better about not being as desirable as hotter women.

regularbowls 11y ago

Lol. No, I am not. I have more wealth than her and probably you as well.

Deaddpooll 11y ago

What a shit fucking post!

So to be 'attractive' to guys, a girl should give up her college education and career?

How about you raise your SMV higher than the girl's and don't try to bring her down to yours.

If she runs a company of 7 people, you run a company of 70 people.She'll then feel feminine while dating you.

Guys aren't comfortable dating a woman who have authority over them because its emasculating.Nothing new here.

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squishles 11y ago

Well, she's certainly looking the wrong place for dates at least =/

p3ndulum 11y ago

Guys aren't comfortable dating a woman who have authority over them because its emasculating.Nothing new here.

Opposites attract. There has to be contrast between the sexes to create attraction. "Successful" women get that way because they mimic a lot of masculine behaviors, thus killing the attraction.

Call it "intimidation", "uncomfortable" or call it "emasculating", whatever you want to call it, there's no attraction, and that's not something you can talk yourself into or out of.

A business woman is to men what short guys are to women; they're too similar to what they're attracted to.