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Ganadorf

Posted 11y ago in Field Report - Permalink - Locked - 3.6K Views

So... story time.

This girl I met with a few months ago, 20, red head, 7 face / 8 body, has turned into a regular fuck. A few nights ago I get the biggest shit test I've ever gotten from a girl (knowingly). Plate and I are out and about drinking and fooling around in public (her favorite) and this guy texts her asking if she wants to go drink.

"Hey! Shawn wants to drink with us!", she exclaims. I don't know this guy at all, so I almost immediately recognize this as a test. I ask who he is and she starts running her mouth so I naturally tune out. Fast forward 15 minutes.

"He's coming to pick me up in 10 minutes!", she adds randomly. She sounds excited that he's coming.

I do what RP instinct kicks me in the balls to do. No, not hang around and wait for this loser, I bail. I paid the tab and calmly, and silently, walked to my car to leave. All the while she's wailing on about where I'm going. Where was I going? Finding another girl. I wasn't hung up on this plate at all. I felt liberated for the first time in my life.

My past self, pre-RP, would've never done that. I would've interpreted it as "the more the merrier! lets party!", but I was looking to fuck, not be fucked.

Last night, I get a call from plate crying and apologizing saying we should meet up. I begrudgingly complied as I wanted to know what happened. That's when the truth started to pour out of her mouth. She cried that she waited 1 hour before she called a cab to get home. Shawn bailed on her the last minute without notification. I have proof of all of this, but believe me, I had to work for it. She started to spill her feels for me though, here's a run down.

1) She admitted that Shawn was a "test" (aka shit test), and that I had blown her expectations (passed with flying colors). Continues to admit that he had no initial intention of hanging with Shawn. I maintain frame.

2) Admits that she has never really met Shawn before and was excited at the prospect. She wanted to see if he could one-up me. I continue frame.

3) Expresses great interest in how I dominated her by simply leaving her behind. Leaving meant that she was worth next to nothing to me, and she loved it. I maintain frame, but smirk stupidly.

4) Through tears, finally admits that she "loves me" and has "never been treated like this before". You better believe I maintain my fucking frame.

We fucked harder than ever before while spilling some recently unknown fetishes. I accommodate to her fetishes, finish in her mouth, and took her home. She felt so strongly about me that she couldn't resist having me fuck her in the back of my car outside of her house, after multiple sessions already.

In conclusion, you assholes are right. You guys are literal heroes to ex-betas like me.

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Modified_Hackware 11y ago

At a restaurant with new plate and a couple of mates prior to see a film.

We're all having a good time. Plate brings up a shit test about some likely made up guy wanting to know where she is and what she's doing...

Get out my phone that has new, new plate asking me to come over that night. Showed it to her in front of the group and said "we've all got people wanting to know where we are, X, but we don't have to constantly yap about it." Her face was shocked, angry, upset... We finish our food and watch the film, she annoyingly gets up to the toilet twice during the movie for what seemed like ages.

We give her some shit for obviously needing a big poo during the film.

She tells me later at home she had to go wipe herself up since she was soaking wet, through to her trousers thinking about me and the new, new plate and that she had me right now.

Immediately afterwards confirmed the veracity of that claim.

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zephyrprime 11y ago

In a situation like this where OP had blown out the dude so badly, she would not have called/txted the other dude. She would have been calling/txting her friends to pore over what OP had done. This is besides the point though since op has already stated that she didn't have her phone with her.

Modified_Hackware 11y ago

Your advice is good and would likely have been accurate in most cases.

In this instance her phone was left in the cup holder switched off. Also...

Immediately afterwards confirmed the veracity of that claim.

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musicvita25 11y ago

Bravo sir bravo.

I would personally after the final fuck never see her again.

That will really drive her insane and will infact put you in a stronger position then ever before.

DazPatrick 11y ago

She admitted that Shawn was a "test" (aka shit test)

Good job OP. I literally laughed my ass of when I read that. Thanks for providing this great example of a shit test

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scubar 11y ago

I failed a test similar to this in my BP days. Girl asked me if her friend could come over, they ended up fucking in my house. I was such a bitch back then haha...

Cyralea 11y ago

I remember the first time I had to play the nuclear card, back when I was learning this shit. I invited a chick I'd been fucking out for drinks, when I show up to the bar she's there with one of her beta/omega orbiters. Not sure what changed, but it pissed me the hell off that she did that, knowing that it would make fucking her difficult. Conversation went down like this:

Me: "Who's your friend?"
Her: "This is Matt! A good friend of mine from undergrad (re: orbiter that's been pining for her for years). We were talking on the phone earlier so I invited him out."
Me: "Alright, you guys have fun then" turn and leave
Her: "Cyralea, where are you going?"

I wrote her off at that point, but she called later that night. I let it go to voicemail thinking she just wanted to call me an asshole and ream me out. Instead she was apologizing, and asking how she could make it up to me. I didn't call her back that night, I was floored that my being an unrepentant asshole had that effect.

I think most people trying out TRP for the first time have some doubts in their minds as to its effectiveness. Part of you dies a bit when you fully remove the veil.

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Cyralea 11y ago

Keep walking. Giving her petty reasons or showing indignation is what makes you look butthurt. Maintain a calm demeanor, don't storm out in a rage. She will clue in that her behaviour was unacceptable. You can't salvage that situation, what's she going to do, send the friend home?

Leaving simply signifies that you have better things to do with your time.

Magnum256 11y ago

I'm new to this sub but from what I've read it seems like a lot of TRP has to do with just doing what you want.

Do you want to have dinner with a girl who you want to fuck, while one of her awkward beta friends is at the table? Probably not.

It's not as if you're going to get socially marred by leaving in a situation like that either. I'm sure any bro you ask would basically condone leaving (even if he's not a RP bro) based on the circumstances.

I do agree though, it's sort of a mental barrier in a lot of ways because it "feels" like you're being a bitch when you walk away in a situation like that, but in reality by staying you'd just be sacrificing your own comfort/happiness to endure a situation that you don't feel is in line with your goals.

Rougepellet 11y ago

Women always run their mouths about how dead romance is. Guys are the real romantics. Reading stories like this just confirms it. Guys wish for that fairytale romance but after reading/experiencing stuff like this, we come to realize the truth. Romance, like you see in the movies and in the fairytales (if it ever existed in the first place) is dead and buried.

a_murderer 11y ago

Did you say anything to her or give any cues after paying the tab and leaving?

It seems a bit weird to just up and leave, and the story seems kind of fishy with the plate actually admitting that it was a test, maybe I'm thinking in too much of the RP term, but I've never even heard of chicks doing that.

aslan4 11y ago

It's on the internet so it must be true

floor-pi 11y ago

Yeah it's utter bullshit, and isn't even consistent bullshit. Shawn wants to come drink with us...oh btw he's picking me up in 10 minutes. Alpha OP then transforms into beta OP the next night, meeting up to find out whether RP theory is true, just in case.

Of course, being an avid reader of all things redpill, she confirms RP theory before OP bangs her several times.

Bullshit

nsummy 11y ago

Exactly. It blows my mind how everyone here believes every bullshit story that gets posted. Not saying they are all BS but some are obvious. Even if it did happen, OP is still BP for meeting her the next day.

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I have experienced Odd shit test from girls who are 20-21.

One in particular was going to a local show with a 9 and a guy friends and a girl. she swooned about the singer (i am also in a band - probably testing for jealousy), and I held frame. Some guy bought her a drink from across the bar, and she talked about how "creepy" it was... Maintained frame. Finally she invited her best guy friend up (who was either terminally friendzoned or gay)... keep frame up still.

Finally at the end of the night I said "I am heading out, you coming with?" And it felt like a stand of for about 30 seconds with her just looking at me and trying to break my frame. She responded with "I think I am going to have Mike take me home".

I kept frame, said "well goodnight then", and left with my friends.

20 minutes later, she was apologizing and asking me for me address (this was around 3). I told her I wasnt home anyway. It drove her nuts, and we fucked hard after that night and did for a month or so.

I wasnt really RP then, and I thought once I past the shit tests, they will eventually stop or slow. Well they didnt and along the way I must have failed one or one too many and she peaced out...

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Nope, they never stop. It's a constant stream of shit, and you always have to be ready for it. After enough of them though you begin to realize what a shit test looks like as soon as it happens and the basic responses become second nature (agree and amplify, the whole 9 yards).

It's when you start to get too comfortable with a girl that you run into problems, because they pinpoint your complacency and jump on it with more and more shit tests, waiting for you to mess up.

nsummy 11y ago

You story is about 10x more plausible than OP's though

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Well - its def. what happened, and before I found TRP, I knew a little bit, but analyzing more, I see later shit tests failed, however some strong recovery attempts, etc.

I think all in all I did decent without TRP, but would do alot better now. I took what I learned, focused on lifting and I now dating a 22 yr old hotter than her. I have internalized Rp theory into our relationship and she is all in on me. I just know I cant control anything but myself so I focus on staying in shape and advancing my passions, and she is welcome to come along and we can have experiences together. i am also not afraid to drop it, walk away and spin plates.

ButterMyBiscuit 11y ago

I've had girls admit all kinds of whacky shit were tests, even in BP days. I don't know why or how they come up with them, but they're not afraid to give 'em a go.

Casual_Tits 11y ago

I completely agree. This girl has some serious self-awareness to admit she was consciously testing OP.

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What I'm more surprised about is that she admitted it.

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Good job!

I struggle with responding to shit-tests by leaving because I always feel like it is escaping or a surrender. And it can come across as being bitchy/ weak.

Obviously you pulled it off perfectly.

I understand most redpill stuff but I struggle with leaving after shit-tests. I would have thought staying there and keeping totally cool was the alpha way to handle it.

drallcom3 11y ago

You often have to force yourself to ignore the shit-test, ignore her or leave, but it's actually a very simple solution if you can't handle the shit-test otherwise.

nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago

I always feel like it is escaping or a surrender. And it can come across as being bitchy/ weak.

The key component of this is that she put this other guy in his face. She showed him texts and actually invited the other guy out. That's incredibly disrespectful and that's what makes leaving the appropriate course of action.

I fully expect to see a little (1) by the related tab later today, and I fully expect blue pillers to circlejerk themselves raw claiming that OP did something wrong here. But the truth is, flip the genders on this story and you'll realize that no woman on Earth would put up with a guy on a date sitting there texting another girl, let alone inviting her out.

That's why leaving was the right thing to do.

If you imagine a slightly different scenario, in which you randomly bump into a guy friend and he starts hanging on, then it's a little more tricky. In that case, if you bail, you probably do look bitchy and weak. When you find yourself in that situation, some of the tools you have available are

AMOG - just be cooler than him
pull - as opposed to standing near your girl, you pull back and let her come to you, putting distance between her and the guy
be direct - watch for and call out the very first thing that's inappropriate. Guys think they're being sneaky about building rapport with your girl. It'll embarrass them if you just say it out loud. Note also, since you mentioned appearing weak, the best way to avoid appearing weak is to be in good shape.
manufacture an excuse to leave together - maybe go get food or something.

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Hey thanks! That helps a lot!

Reddthrown 11y ago

Good tips, thank you. How would you say it aloud?

nicethingyoucanthave 11y ago

You want to be serious about it, but not seem overly concerned. Don't be emotional - either angry or afraid. And don't make it a joke.

Earlier this year a guy that was friends with a girl I was dating was draping his arm around her neck. I'm not even really sure what his plan was. Maybe he was just drunk. All I said was, "why do you have your arm around my girl?" I said it very calmly. I held eye contact with the guy. He goes, "we're real good friends." I cocked my head to the side as if to say, "really?"

He took his arm off her and tried to play it off as me being unreasonable. He said, "whoa, someone's offended!" See, had I made a bigger deal of it, then he would have been able to make me look like an overly sensitive asshole. But on the other hand, I bet that if I'd made it a joke to start with, he wouldn't have backed off. As it happened, his quip about me being offended didn't really fly with the other people there, because it was clear that I was being cool about it.

The only other thing I said to him was, "it's your shot" and motioned to the pool table - my girl came over to me, and that was the end of it.

It helps to be in shape, of course. So get thee to the gym.

It's also a good idea to discuss this with your girl ahead of time. There's a gray area where a guy is just complimenting a girl, albeit in a perhaps low-class way. That's different, in my mind, from an overt advance.

So the discussion I would have with a girl is: if a guy is making an advance on you, right in front of me, then he's disrespecting us both and I'm going to put a stop to it. As an example, if he says, "I would do XYZ to you" or something like that. Fuck that. It's on.

The gray area is when he thought he was paying a compliment, but it has the potential to be offensive. "Damn that's a nice ass" or something. Certainly low class, but not especially threatening. In that case, what you should establish ahead of time with your girl is, if she's offended, she needs to say so out loud. That's her job. The crowd will immediately be on her side - that's the great privilege of being a woman. And then you as her boyfriend need only apply the slightest pressure, and the dude will apologize.

The alternative is, guy says something, and then you go off tilting at a windmill, defending her honor, or whatever. You're alone in that fight, and there's the possibility that the girl is going to say, "actually, I don't care that he said it" and then you really look like an ass.

Ganadorf 11y ago

I should preface the leaving strategy with it will only work if you know the girl quite a bit. It would definitely not work with a girl you got last night or even a week ago.

Granny_Whisperer 11y ago

Yeah. Also it should be noted even though it's fairly obvious that the response has to be in proportion to the offence.

Making a fast judgement like that isn't always easy. I've failed many times myself.

tangman 11y ago

Even so, if a girl is pulling that kind of crap, there aren't many options other than leaving/nexting.

ohhaio 11y ago

This... context is key and in this particular case, they are on a "date" so what kind of chick invites another dude to your date? Definitely "next" time.

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Cycix 11y ago

I feel I have to share a story myself. My girlfriend and I are amazing together. We have amazing personalities together, share the best moments that a lot of people would find corny and cheesy, and the sex is fucking wild. However, she always seemed to try and restrict me from talking to girls while she talked to other guys as well. I gave her an ultimatum and told her that if she's unwilling to fix her shit up before she calls me out on my shit, I'd break up with her. We both kept arguing the whole night and I finally did it. I told her I'm breaking up with her and that I don't need her bullshit and that I'm not willing to restrict myself from girls wanting to flirt with me or communicate with me if she's not willing to restrict herself from guys that approach her. I am NOT controlling her nor am I telling her not to talk to other guys - I am too confident in myself and I know that if she does fuck around, I'll find the next pussy to fuck around with - however, a girl can't expect me to do something and not give up something in return. The next day she wanted me back, cried about me (to be fair I was really sad as well) and realized that she's not irreplaceable.

Point is, always maintain frame. Don't disrespect the girl you are with or trying to fuck but let them know that your time is valuable and that you deserve the same respect. If you want to keep the girl, show her that you don't need her and that you have options. Even if you don't have options let her know that you don't need to waste your time catering to her emotional needs if you don't have your needs fulfilled as well. At the end of the day, the priority is always yourself and once a girl knows you can function alone, she'll keep trying to impress the hell out of you and try to make you need her.

niczar 11y ago

I admit, just leaving sounds like it was the optimal response, and I probably wouldn't have done it myself. Kudos to you.

rpkarma 11y ago

Leaving, rejection, and "no" are our most powerful weapons. Don't be afraid to use them, and you will be richly rewarded.

Riusakii 11y ago

When a woman pulls the stunt of talking or flirting with other guys while you are out together, just the two of you, leaving the scene in a calm manner without her is the best response. It is a firm SYG (Stand Your Ground) move.

Nothing lubricates a pussy more than a man who stands his ground.

theredslap 11y ago

Not only has my bullshit radar gone off with the specific version of this story... but even if we were to take this sequence of events at face value, am I the only one here that thinks this bitch should still be nexted?

my girls would NEVER let me walk out on them like that...WAY BEFORE that point of the shit test they would have backed off...

no sir.. this was not a shit test. she wanted him..Shawn or whatever... you're plan B, chief. He stood her up and you're the validation. enjoy the fuck but nothing else...

TattedGuyser 11y ago

I was thinking the exact same thing. She was more then willing to watch him take off, he paid the tab (that good ol BB) and when her alpha bailed, well, better fight to get the BB back and make it all better by saying what he wants to hear. The only RP truth in this post is this chick is willing to lie in order to get her BB back in line.

cdogg75 11y ago

Yep, my thoughts exactly. Hypergamy at it's best. You are the consolation prize!

RPstudent 11y ago

well done, but a note of caution.

Women communicate covertly as a general rule. If she did acknowledge she wanted to test you, confessed she had never met Shawn and that she openly expressed that she loved you up and leaving the ay you did because it made her feel like she was next to nothing to you overtly that should concern you about the level of crazy she is going to bring to bear when you actually walk.

Also, from a strict practical perspective, Shawn became a test the minute he didn't show up. Until that point he was another option. When he flaked, she needed to recover your attention. She did this by using her sexuality as a means of reconfirming your interest.

Be wary how you proceed, because there be crazy here

systemshock869 11y ago

Shawn became a test the minute he didn't show up. Until that point he was another option. When he flaked, she needed to recover your attention.

Ding ding ding! What looked like an unrivaled moment of clairvoyance was actually plausible deniability in action. The moment her potentially better option disappeared it became only a test. And 'admitting' all of this stuff played to OP's RP-minded brain and secured her prize, despite the previous offenses. I doubt he minded since he got what he wanted as well, but it's something OP should keep in the back of his mind.

nomdplume 11y ago

I would agree - OP seems to be sticking his dick in crazy. As an old dude, trust me - don't stick your dick in crazy, especially repeatedly.

On the other hand, the girl is only 20. Most women that age are crazy. Most still haven't resolved their own sexuality and/or their daddy issues ("I am fucked up and a bad person for this so I deserve to be treated like shit and I will love you if you do! Thank you, Daddy…"). As I recall, it's hard to get laid at that age without sticking your dick in crazy most of the time...

ktappe 11y ago

I don't know about "crazy" but it does reek of both desperation and a willingness on her part to walk as soon as she has other options. She may be addicted to sex; I've encountered those. They showed a distinct interest in me once a month when their hormones raged. It was like clockwork. The other 3 weeks of the month I hardly heard from them. But when they wanted it, they wanted it now.

RPstudent 11y ago

that's less sex addiction than it is mating urgency driven by ovulation

In other word's she in heat

BiteTheRedPillow 11y ago

This is the type of shit there needs to me more of! All of these blue pill examples are depressing as hell, THIS is uplifting shit.

slurmfactory 11y ago

wowsers. epic tale. so when she started talking about shawn you just ignored it and then without saying anything got up and left her? She hadnt met him before, i guess he was a tinder or online date of some sort? haha "it was just a test" god this actually kinda angers me. I mean, at this point I should expect it, and accept it, but for her to admit she was just completely playing games with you, using another guy to "test" you, and then loving you for "passing" the test by proving how you dont care about her, and then crying and all that nonsense, she just seems like a psycho, but im sure shes a relatively normal broad. Guess I shouldnt expect anything logical here. very interesting though, glad you reacted the way you did. i need to keep my frame at all times in case of situations like this, can you elaborate on what "frame" you were holding specifically, just that you were willing to move on if she didnt act the way you wanted? Id appreciate a little bit of detail there if you can share.

Pretty funny how girls will often use first names of people in reference that they know you have never met, i knew a few that would do that. i would call them out all the time, "why are you saying this persons name like i know them?" So good job being on your guard and knowing that throwing out "some guy youve never met wants to drink with us two while were fooling around etc!!!" (yeah ok it begins)

i too often let my guard down, especially when the girls are hotter, so i am looking forward to evolving my game hardcore. Last night i fucked a hottie and realized something that i used to do- overcompliment the shit out of hot girls. never again.

theyd be into me, wed get drunk, once the games turned to physicality and we were hooking up id start gushing omg ur so hot bla bla. and then would lose my frame and all of a sudden i didnt have the attitude that got the girl in the first place. so last night were pretty drunk and were banging, shes got slammin body, 22, 6'0" brunette, runner, and im smoking a bit too and im like "damn your ass is a 10, your boobs are a 10, your stomach is a 10" (ugh yikes) and she goes "just stop talking :)" hahaha. (I did)

new plan. compliment girls maybe once about their looks, especially the hot ones. theyve heard it all and they want the guy that is going to make them feel inferior, its honestly natural. whenever ive gotten oneitis with a girl its been because i feel like they are superior, so ive worked my ass off on filling in the holes of my life to make it so no girl will make me inferior, namely my body, my job, my ability to get girls. it used to be intimidating dating beautiful women because i knew that they could get ANY guy, sex WHENEVER they wanted etc etc.

but now, after having worked my ass off in the gym, updated my hair and wardrobe, i feel the ladies' eyes on me pretty much wherever i go (without sounding like too much of a douche) but between now and when i was more out of shape the difference is huge in how girls react to me. now i am just pulling tons of girls, and after updating my tinder profile i am getting some really hot women hitting me up and it feels fan fucking tastic. i was actually a little nervous when this girl showed up last night because she was really good looking and fit, but i kept my frame and body language under control and didnt really compliment her or kino her excessively (something i do when im nervous as a needy behavior for validation etc) so it went fantastic. we both got drunk and then she was all over me. nothing like having your phone blow up with other girls/ tinder matches and messages while naked with a hot girl. good times. wrote this out kinda for myself, and to share/ collaborate with you on how to keep this shit up. my problem is i change from badboy to nice guy and then get nexted, so im trying to keep that under control namely but working on myself constantly, and kicking ass.

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Gyissan 11y ago

Because you two probably met up on the unspoken or maybe even spoken understanding that it was just going to be you two. Inviting anyone else is a dick move, whether it be the girl or the guy who does it.

Newtonnn 11y ago

I'm new to this and it all sounds so right and wrong at the same time.

a_sponge 11y ago

She gave up you because she thought she had a better option in Shawn, and when he flaked on her you made yourself available to be the 2nd option. This seems like the furthest thing from a test mate, she flat out hung you high and dry at what she imagined was a chance to upgrade WHILE ON A DATE with you. That's insane. If she truly is just a plate, then I imagine you don't really give a fuck as long as you're getting one. But if I were you, I'd have some respect for myself and next this girl.

CloakedOrchid 11y ago

It's almost depressing hearing how true RP theory rings with so many girls. Like, I sometimes wish you could have that fairytale romance, but every story like this makes it more and more rock solid that that's just not how women work.

Good on you. Funny to hear that she "loves you" after being treated like she'd "never been treated before," which was in a way that would make any woman explode with anger and hamstering had you said it, rather than done it. Law 9 of the 48: Win through your actions, never through argument.

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JD42305 11y ago

Win through your actions, never through argument. God damn, I need to hammer this into my skull.

All_the_Dank 11y ago

it's not almost depressing it is depressing. I'm still in the anger/depression phase realizing the true nature of 'most' women to the point where i have almost no desire to even try and hook up with girls. I'd almost rather just chill with my bros, improve myself, and have a date with ol' mr Handy when lonely.

busior 11y ago

Stories huh ?? Wait till you try it in real life. Once I randomly messaged a girl on a dating site because I was drunk and bored Do you want to suck me off? to which she responded with who do you think I am needless to say that response was treated like a challenge and I did it literally by the book. To cut a long story short - within 20 hours we met and she sucked me off in my car and swallowed it all. The story didn't really end there. After it was over (note there was no cunnilingus or anything I just used her as a free cock sucker) she opened up, at least that how I prefer to call it - the moment when women realize you know they are pathetic and stop caring about pretending and are for once honest. We had a short chat about her boyfriend - just a typical beta bucks who gets nothing out of it. Anyway as I was saying - hearing about this from other people is one thing but actually experiencing it in person - that's the real red pill moment

Riusakii 11y ago

I'm glad that this is how it is. The fairy tale romance crap costs a lot of time and money. The RP way (or the truth) is easier, cheaper and less work is involved.

Hrel 11y ago

Law 9 of 48? What are these "laws" you speak of and where can I find them?

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CloakedOrchid 11y ago

"The 48 Laws of Power" is a book by Robert Greene. He's the same guy who wrote "Art of Seduction," "33 Strategies of War" and "Mastery."

48 Laws is a set of "rules" that Greene derived from independent study of history and its notable people. Each chapter is its own law, and usually gives examples of people who followed the law to success, people who broke it and paid the price, the law in "pure" theory rather than shown in examples, interesting side stories from history relevant to the law, and finally there are often short bits about when it's in your best interest to not follow the law.

Very interesting read, not just for the theory, but for the stories. Art of Seduction and 33 Strategies follow the same structure, but are obviously more heavily rooted in sex/love and war, respectively.

You should be able to find a torrent or direct pdf online, no problem. Read the 48 first, then at least read the intro sections of Seduction that outline seducer and victim types (but the whole book is interesting, as it provides kind of a table of contents for seduction, and largely allows you to pick and choose the steps to include/avoid in your own endeavors, to tailor them to your own strengths and preferences). You'll quickly see that a lot of PUA and "game" is just a modern adaptation of methods that men (and women) have been using for centuries.

HeadingRed 11y ago

> Like, I sometimes wish you could have that fairytale romance

That's a true statement. I wish that by being the "good guy" every chance I got I would get a great relationship. It's just not the case and sometimes it is upsetting.

What helps me stay on course is experiences like Ganadorf- I see the results and that keeps me on track and helps me stop from doing the unproductive actions of the past and focus on the results.

CloakedOrchid 11y ago

Yup, a few years ago I would have loved nothing more than to buy a girl flowers and take her out to a nice dinner. And I did that a few times, and got the door shut in my face. Literally never payed off.

Now I'll go out for a nice meal with one of my buddies, and buy flowers to enjoy in my own place. That shit is all the more tantalizing to girls who think "He's so close to doing all that stuff for me, since he does it already with himself/his guy friends!" Nope, those days are over. Now the girls get to wonder why they can't have a fairytale story, without realizing that this is the bed they made, and now they have to sleep in it.

HeadingRed 11y ago

I was just as bad. Now flowers are only for birthdays and randoms. Also I got used to being the nice guy and "taking her order" for the evening, i.e. where do you want to go, when, how long etc. I get better results from nights I just say "here is the what\when\where" than the old ways.

Not that plate is LTR but it does show the point of view and the method of response works in both casual and LTR situations.

ShinyBrah 11y ago

It really isn't a great feeling, isn't it? Realising that the fairy tale romance doesn't exist (especially after a dozen threads like this + real life observations) really has taken a toll on me mentally. It's rare to witness a decent, no bullshit relationship and even more rare to meet a woman who won't act hypergamous, unfaithful and/or like an entitled princess.

Adapt or be left behind, guys. Don't expect everything to be handed to you.

antariusz 11y ago

Ok, well you used double negative, so at first I was confused...

But it "can" be a great feeling. Passing a shit test and maintaining frame is a learned skill. Some guys learn it in elementary school and get laid "naturally" others of us don't pick it up until later. Yes, you will never be the Tiger Woods or Mozart of pickup. But you "can" master it, and it is an amazing feeling when you do. The same feeling you can get from mastering any difficult skill.

Granny_Whisperer 11y ago

It really isn't a great feeling, isn't it?

I don't think it's so much about mourning for the fairy tale romance as it is just psychological strain caused by change. Human mind does not want to change and will fight against slightest attempts to make it do so. Learning about trp stuff and replacing former BP beliefs with ones that are more in tune with harsh reality is a huge change. Depending on how deeply indoctrinated you were previously of course.

ShinyBrah 11y ago

It's a point I guess, I only just started to really swallow the Red Pill. In fact I only just walked away from my head fuck of a oneitis this week. I still can't shake the feeling that a loving relationship would be better than a string of hook ups, maybe I'll change? I don't even know.

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Granny_Whisperer 11y ago

Don't let this stuff turn into resentment towards women and relationships. Loving relationship is a real possibility. It's just way different from how it's portrayed in msm or how women describe it. Also a string of hook ups does not reduce your chances of finding love. In fact it would probably be a very good thing for you at the moment. Oneitis can take a while to cure and the best known cure is new pussy.

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jjshinobi 11y ago

Yes I understand, in order to validate their egos, one has to act as an entitled, hypergamous, unfaithful prince.

ShinyBrah 11y ago

You know what really sucks? I just saw confirmation of this on Facebook weirdly enough, they treat it like it's a casual and funny thing.

(And yes, I have no problem with Facebook before anyone potentially whines about it. It's an easy way to contact my friends.)

[deleted] 11y ago

Care to share? Anonymized, of course.

jjshinobi 11y ago

It is normal. You're giving her the same shit she's giving you.

Trini_redd_Mk_II 11y ago

Lol. I love how you have to validate being on FB. Must be tough being an American kid. Fuck the haters

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SupALupRT 11y ago

I think most guys want the fairy tale shit. They just know few women are high enough quality to make it possible.

manwhy 11y ago

The fairy tale shit is the ultimate male power fantasy. Prince is born intrinsically awesome. Prince grows up to become even more intrinsically awesome. Prince kisses girl. Girl becomes princess. Happily ever after. There's never another man better than the prince because the prince is the best man. He was born with the best looks, the most wealth, and the sovereignty of a sovereign (i.e. the highest status). The princess-to-be comes from a poor family but has a heart of gold, plus she's the prettiest girl in the land but her looks are totally not why the smartest, handsomest, wealthiest, highest status man in the land chooses her and only her.

I guess you might say that it's both genders' ultimate power fantasy.

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gg_s 11y ago

He is talking about the intrinsic value of being a prince, not the totes awesome self-esteem bullshit you are talking about. The key to the fairy tale is the pinnacle male.

Ambiguousdude 11y ago

When I read she admitted the whole shit test and the lies, it made me actually feel sick I had to stop reading and get over it.

nsummy 11y ago

Don't feel sick. You honestly think this story happened? You think a girl would not only admit that she was stood up but that it was also a test? and that he passed because he dominated her? Riiiiiight.

If this is true OP is still Blue Pill. If a girl pulled that stunt on me I would never speak to her again, let alone meet back up with her and sleep with her.

elbirth 11y ago

I just found this sub from another thread and this was the first post here I read. I agree with you, although I did finish reading it out of morbid curiosity.

I really want to believe that there are still plenty of women out there that are genuine and this wouldn't work on, but judging by what I see, it's incredibly disheartening. I'm still holding out, though, because I could never see myself being with a girl that I couldn't fully trust and respect. I'd feel sick if this was my daily life.

I've had a few instances where I was not attracted to a female friend and joked with / poked fun at her like I would a guy friend (in a friendly way) and they were all over me... but girls I've genuinely tried to show interest in don't give the time of day. Really hard to come to terms with.

seddition 11y ago

You can't trust women. "The speech of a maiden should no man trust, nor the words which a woman says; for their hearts were shaped on a whirling wheel, and falsehood fixed in their breasts. " This is from the Hávamál. This is a pre-thirteenth century viking work of literature. It's been common knowledge since pretty much the garden of eden that women aren't trustworthy.

rockumsockumrobots 10y ago

Nice post. The very act of reading the Havamal will put hair on your chest. I wish I knew Icelandic/old high-german so I could read it in it's original tongue.

seddition 10y ago

I like the Hagakure and the Book of Five Rings as well, but like you I'm sure there is something lost in translation in the old warrior texts.

RU_Crazy 11y ago

The part that really depresses me is that I see how utterly selfish these women are. Since coming to this realization I've been searching for examples of American women who don't fit this me-me-me mentality but I've failed to find any examples.

It's funny that we are raised to believe that women are the compassionate sex and men are brutish but in reality it couldn't be more opposite. It appears that generally speaking women are entirely inward thinking and self-concerned while men at least occasionally are outward thinking and concerned for others.

CloakedOrchid 11y ago

All of the smartest guys I know are totally averse to marrying an American. Western women are, in general, the loud screeching whores at the wrong end of the world's jokes. Men from all across the world laugh as American girls party it up and get fucked everywhere from Italy to Cancun, only to come home and treat their men like shit.

As one of my buddies said (and maybe he heard it somewhere else), "America has become a country of men holding their wives' purses."

I totally agree about the compassion thing. If you're ever in doubt about that, look at how each gender treats its friends. Girls will bitch and backstab and talk shit. If three girls are friends and two are together, they'll always talk smack about the third. I've seen that in action, and it's fucking disgusting. Guys, on the other hand? They're either bitches who do the same thing, or they talk shit to your face, maybe get in a fight, and work things out one way or another. Women depend on lying and deception to survive. Makeup, high heels, pushup bras, photos on facebook, putting down their friends instead of raising each other up, it's all designed to elevate themselves by way of ruining everyone else.

In general, men will try to reach the top by climbing a mountain. Women will stay where they are, and try to push everyone else into a hole.

alertedbreadV3 10y ago

I want to read this everyday until my eyes bleed.

RU_Crazy 11y ago

Couldn't agree more. My cousin has a three year old daughter and he was telling me how shocking it was to see how upset his wife would get over the idea that her daughter was stealing affection from her husband. He said he never could have imagined how much fighting there would be between them. Our uncle chimed in, "just wait till she's a teenager, then you'll really see some fighting between them."

I could only help but laugh because once again TRP was proven correct. At the same time its really depressing to see. How infantile of a mind must women posses if they are incapable of accepting the love between their own daughter and her father. What does that say about the future where masculine qualities are demonized and women seemingly control the public discourse?

I'm reminded of a youtube video that was linked here some time ago (wish I could remember its name) where an anti-feminist female was explaining that while men's intelligence ranges on a very broad spectrum women tend to all fall right in the middle. I can't help but shudder at the thought that once women take full control over society (if it hasn't happened already) it will mean the end of progress and advancement. In its place absolute mediocrity masquerading as some false notion of equality.

CloakedOrchid 11y ago

And not only is she fighting against love between a father and daughter, she's doing it because she can't distinguish between the love he has for his kid, and for his wife. It's not "love," it's not "affection," it's just attention. Maybe that's why women bitch about their boyfriends playing video games for an hour, even if they themselves spend hours watching the Kardashians. "Oh no, something is more important than me. I can shelve him whenever I want, but god forbid he does the same to me."

As for the halting of progress: Look at what's going on with STEM student gender distribution nowadays. Look at race quotas in colleges. "The Giver" (if you've read it) is becoming more and more real, and it's fucking scary; in our search for equality, we're not finding it; we're "creating" it, but it's not really equality. Who gives a shit if women don't want to be comp sci majors? Give equal opportunities and then back the fuck off. I don't see any social movements to get acne-ridden nerds into fraternities, or to get anime geeks into yoga classes to "balance" them and "expose them" to more stuff and make the classes "more equal."

RU_Crazy 11y ago

Yea I've read the synopsis of the book, seems like a more contemporary take on books such as 1984 and Brave New World, which I particularly enjoyed growing up.

I have the misfortune of attending a fairly liberal school and its truly pathetic to witness the degree of male privilege (and white privilege) guilt that occurs. Its to the point with these people attribute any success white male's have as a product of society's bias. Meanwhile the university is literally throwing scholarship money at any minority or woman capable of meeting the minimum requirements for entry. Going as far as to create special scholarship programs explicitly designed for "diversity." Its a complete joke. At some point there has to be a tipping point where people just opt out of this crazy mess we've allowed to be created. I can only imagine what the employment landscape will look like if Hillary runs on some sort of equal pay legislation and ends up winning.

CloakedOrchid 11y ago

My school is similar; a self-proclaimed "liberal" campus mostly full of rich white kids from the affluent part of our state, most of whom try their hardest to play down or even apologize for their wealth or privilege.

I grew up with Eastern European parents, so I was raised to never give a fuck about other peoples' opinions. I've been poor, and I won't glorify it; it sucked, and I'll be damned if someone's going to make me feel guilty for enjoying a better life. I spend my money as I see fit, sometimes ostentatiously, and usually excessively. If someone doesn't like that, they can bitch about it on tumblr. Same goes for race or sex. I love being a white guy, and if a black guy can say the same thing, who the fuck can tell me I can't be happy to be white?

Audball766 11y ago

A wonderful romance IS possible.

Please keep in mind when you read these stories, the women in them are SCANDALOUS. Women that are perfectly fine being plates are NOT the women you should be judging good women's actions on. A good, decent woman would never stand for this kind of treatment! Conversely, she wouldn't be giving you stupid ass shit tests like that either.

IMO, you can't look at a whore and use her whore actions as a base for all women's behavior. (I can see why this is difficult though, as it is so widely excepted and common to be a whore, so a lot of women tend to be so, as it is the "norm.")

I just wanted to throw this out there, as I really hate to see so many men have such a bleak outlook on their romantic prospects. :/

[deleted] 11y ago

Thank you for this. As true as TRP is, the focus is always on generalizations (which are, generally, but not always correct), so exceptions go unnoticed. I'm not sure I'm full red pill, but I'm sure not blue pill and I'm not purple pill either, I guess I'm maroon pill. Maybe these honest women are only 0.01% of the population, but as big as the world is, that means they're out there, and they're my inspiration for self-improvement, not plates.

Audball766 11y ago

Haha, maroon pill is a great thing to be! I understand the focus of this sub is female generalizations, which I understand, but I get a bit edgy when men say things that reveal that they think ALL women are awful and men are the only worthwhile human beings. We all know what happens when that attitude is adopted, and it sure as hell has yet to benefit humanity! My issue is men on here that feel that way, but are helping to fill the world with more sluts. Don't complain about what you are breeding! Men gravitate towards sluts and give more attention to women that act scandalous. It gives women the impression that the need to act this way to get men to like/want them. So they do it! I feel like spinning plates is just perpetuating the problem. There used to be, many, many decades ago, a huge stigma attached to being "loose." Women didn't want to be looked down upon and didn't want to lose out on potential mates, so they didn't throw themselves around! Men would only give the time of day to respectable women! Now we don't and look what has happened.

/end rant. lol

My point being that you are right. There are good women, but not as many as there should be. I just feel like we should work to improve those numbers by men acting like respectable men and seeking after respectable women. Women who remain scandalous will fall by the wayside and will have to change their behavior if they ever expect to have a man.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest on you!

[deleted] 11y ago

I agree, seems like both genders have really let themselves go in modern times, which just makes driven individuals all the more appealing. Thanks for your perspective, it was motivating.

Danizzy1 11y ago

The clueless betas out there are the ones breeding sluts, not us. Spinning plates and having sex with sluts isn't creating or perpetuating the problem. Dating and marrying sluts is. The whole point of trp is taking advantage of the easy sex that these girls provide while learning how to identify and stay away from them while looking for an actual relationship. All of the bluepillers out there are the only ones stupid enough to date and marry them, thus giving women the impression that they need to be this way. Please try to read more into what's actually going on in this sub before making judgements.

manwhy 11y ago

Nearly every woman, regardless of SMV, is capable of enough self-delusion to rationalize away being in a non-monogamous relationship with a man of a sufficiently higher caliber.

Audball766 11y ago

It's not that that isn't true, it's just that not every woman WANTS to. A lot of women would, hence the existence of this sub. It is very common. I just wish to point out that there are some good women who don't think or act this way.

If you love THINGS more, you would trade up to a man who will give you more THINGS and give you a higher status. But some of us aren't so concerned with that. Life is fleeting, so some of us don't give a shit about how other people perceive us or what items we can gain. You can't take it with you when you go! Lol. So for women with that mindset, we love our man. HIM. For who he is. So in our mind, there is no such thing as trading up. We love him and only him, for who he is. You can't trade him out for anyone else because no one else is like him!

When something is priceless, it can't be traded up.

antariusz 11y ago

Until they get an offer too good to be true, like having a hot 22 year old man hit on them at the bar in miami when they're on a business trip and no one would ever really find out, and god, they just feel so young and sexy and well her hot flashes have been really making her question her femininity so the young guy makes her feel REAL GOOD.

In the woman's mind, it's not trading up, it's getting the best of both. She doesn't have to "give up" anything, except principles, but as well covered under this sub, honor and principles are male only restrictions.

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Audball766 11y ago

It wasn't until I read "honor and principles are male only restrictions" that I got bothered. If you are stuck in your belief that all women are lying, cheating whores, then ok, but I absolutely have honor and principles, despite my "misfortune" of having a wretched vagina between my legs.

I'm sorry your beliefs will limit you from finding another woman who does as well. How unfortunate for you.

Danizzy1 11y ago

All of the lying, cheating, whores also genuinely believe that they have honor and principles, so you'll understand if we don't take your word for it. I don't think that honor and principles are restricted to males (of course there are a few women that have them, and some men that don't), but they are undeniably much more common in men than women. If you're an exception, awesome! Don't expect us to change our views because of it. And please, don't act all offended here if you want people to listen to you.

ktappe 11y ago

I hope that is true, but the trick is telling one from the other. I almost want a flowchart drawn up so I can test in the first 5 minutes with a woman what type she is so I know how to proceed. Are there any sure-fire signs/responses to be on the lookout for?

nsummy 11y ago

A flowchart? Come on, just use common sense. That is the problem with this sub sometimes. Many people think this is some exact science that they will know everything if they just read the material here. Waaay too many keyboard jockeys, like OP that classifies some skank as in the realm of all women.

Audball766 11y ago

I would LOVE to tell you there is a simple 5 minute test! Who the hell wants to waste their time? I feel you completely, but alas, if there is one, I certainly don't know it. I mean, the shit tests that they discuss on this sub are real and pretty accurate, so it is obvious to watch out for those. Unfortunately, a lot of women aren't going to admit themselves to be shitty. They are going to lie! Actions speak louder than words, so learning a person's true character does take time.

I think there are, what I feel like in my opinion, basic, obvious things. Don't look for women at bars, clubs and other low class places. Pay attention to things she puts great value on. If she is really into name brands, jewelry, etc, then she is probably materialistic. A woman can look good in just about anything, even thrift store stuff, if she puts it together nicely and carries herself well.

A lot of men on here, their biggest issue seems to come down to money. "Women want our money. Women will take our money. Divorce rape." etc.

I think the main thing to look at in a woman, is anything related to money. Not necessarily how much she makes, but how does she spend it? How practical is she? Does she save any? What are things she splurges on? Is her spending realistic? Does she prioritize and spend money where it needs to go first? How much is spent on less than necessary items? Does she tend to be greedy? Does she not like to spend money on others? If/when she does spend on others, is it on people who are respectful/deserving or on users?

Love of money is usually regarded as the root of all evil, right? People get crazy over money, do they not? Isn't that just about everyone's biggest issue on here? So my advice would be to watch those things most closely in a woman. It gives you an idea of how money hungry she is and how expensive her tastes are. If she doesn't need tons of money to be happy, then she is probably happy with herself. She can probably adapt to various situations. "Things" aren't as great of a concern for her, so she is more apt to want a man for his actual personality and not what he has/will accrue. If she spends wisely and is more practical minded, she is less likely to make rash decisions in all areas and therefor less likely to be promiscuous.

It's not something you could learn in five minutes, but I feel like this would give you a pretty good idea in a fair amount of time.

This is just my opinion, but I feel like this would probably be the quickest, most accurate way to gauge a woman's true colors.

I hope this helps in some way or another.

cover20 11y ago

I had a first date with a girl I met at school. When I said we were going to a restaurant, she said it was overpriced and she would cook dinner instead.

We've been married almost 20 years now.

Audball766 11y ago

Lol, I'm telling you! She definitely wasn't wrong! That's the kind of practicality I think people should look for in a significant other. (That's not to say you should never eat out.). 20 years is great! What an inspiration and I'm happy for you both!

cover20 11y ago

Yeah, it should be said I had taken that relationship as an opportunity to start acting more redpill. What the hell, give it a try ...

I found I didn't get to have any more relationships. The shit works.

Audball766 11y ago

Every woman likes a confident, put together man. Especially one that doesn't bullshit. I don't want a man that does that to me, and I won't do it to him in return! I really do like perusing this sub, because it has a lot of truth to it, and I can see why it works. It's good info. I just don't like the full on woman hate I see in some of the posts. Most of the RP methods are on point though, and I hope they benefit many men, and therefor women, in a positive way! I'm glad it worked so well for you right from the get-go!

[deleted] 11y ago

This is fantastic, thank you! I never thought about it, but if she shows a real respect for saving money and maintaining a balance, that right there shows she must be at least a little bit grounded in her priorities, of course it'd be just about as good of a test for men too.

Audball766 11y ago

You're right, it is.

I suppose you could say it's more about time. Time is the most precious commodity we have. So it's important to see how a person uses that limited commodity. I suggest looking at money in relation to time, as I would guess that you could judge somebody the quickest by that method. Looking at how much time they spend doing things that are very costly, how much of their life they are willing to spend just trying to gain more funds, etc.

As you get a tad more involved with someone though, watch how they prioritize their time. "Omg, I have to catch my reality tv show! It's almost 8!" That would be a bad sign! An obvious one, too! Lol. Clearly, there must be an issue if the woman is insistent on making sure she spends an hour a day filling her mind with garbage. You catch my drift.

I'm also a hippie type who subscribes to the idea of karma and whatnot. Be kind and loving and a good person with good intentions, have positive thoughts and you attract similar back to you, type stuff. (This does not mean to let women OR men walk all over you. Never be a doormat! There is a difference between being nice and being used.)I believe that positive lifestyle, thoughts and actions will help to attract an ideal partner. That's just an extra 2 cents I'll throw in there.

I very much hope you find a wonderful woman!

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

lots of good points here.

guys would love meaningful romantic relationships but modern women make it impossible.think of how badly we have to treat then and disrespect them just to knock their egos down a tiny bit.

even worse think how much they love being disrespected and treated badly.how they fantasize about rape and being tied down and abused. think about 50 shades of grey being a cultural phenomenon.

ShinyBrah 11y ago

I have a hate-love relationship with the Red Pill. I love how much it's improved my life, but I fucking hate how it actually works on women. Why can't most women be rational and accept a kind, loving guy over an arrogant, cunt who just wants sex and nothing more. I want that feeling of being monogamous with someone who loves me, going on cute dates and spending days watching shitty movies, but it doesn't exist.

For my own sake, I know I will never give up the RP lifestyle, but I can only secretly dream about having a loving, no bullshit relationship.

TheeRyanGrey 11y ago

Because that's not how women are, especially nowadays with their no consequences, no shame lifestyle.

rabblerabble8 11y ago

I honestly think I've found a loophole. Been dating a chick from the Philippines(only been in the US a year on student visa) who gives me no need/desire to run RP theory on. We've been doing the cute dates, the hanging out watching movies, and best yet, tons of incredible sex. I feel I can just be my self, occasional emotional flaws and all, and she won't lose respect for me or lose attraction.

Before that I had been spending the last year dating western women from OKcupid and they all confirmed RP theory with each and every date. Sure there was some great sex, but their emotional problems coupled with the inability for me to be open with my own feelings(due to the risk of losing their attraction) made the relationships difficult to unworkable.

drallcom3 11y ago

Hate to rain on your parade, but there's a good chance she just wants a permanent visa (marriage) from you. If you keep that in mind and don't marry you may proceed.

rabblerabble8 11y ago

The marriage/visa angle is something I've definitely considered. She currently has a student visa good for 2 more years, but was just hired for a job that can give her a 5 year work visa.

69Cobalt 11y ago

I think part of TRP is doing whatever YOU want, and the woman will follow. If you wanna go for a picnic in the park, go for it, if you wanna watch a few movies for a day, go for it.

I've had personal experience with this with my gf recently who's naturally very submissive(asian) and I get along with great. Pretty much anything I wanna do, she's down for as long as I make it fun. Smoke weed in the park? Down. Watch movies and eat a tub of ice cream(literally did this 2 days ago after/before vigorous sex)? Down.

And she still begs me to spank her like a 5 year old when we fuck.

It's less of what you do, and more of how you do it.

cntthnko1 11y ago

I am just curious, in situations like this, how much does being good looking matter (if the guy is insanely good looking)? Would there be shit tests or...?

Asking this because I'm at a total loss in terms of context for the whole relationship with girls thing. I assume it was some level of autism or deep fear-mongering when I was younger, now I'm fine but still missing a fuck ton of context. Missing over a decade of living isn't really something you can just learn in a short period of time or in a short reply, but if you have anything to say... would help. And ya, I'm lucky as fuck that I turned out good looking or this would literally be a pain in my dick to fix.

Zackcid 11y ago

It has little to do with good-looks and more to do with how sexually "daring" you are. Notice how hot women almost NEVER shit-test beta guys -- that's because of two things:

1 - A shit-test implies that she's testing you because you're a potential prospect/suitor. If you're an unattractive beta chump, she won't even bother cuz you just ain't up to par.

2 - A shit test is usually done when she feels things are "advancing too quickly". Your typical alpha-bro will touch the girl, talk in her ear, say sexual shit within a couple minutes. This is precisely when she'll begin shit-testing him. However, if you never bother to be sexually-daring/aggressive like that, she won't really feel the need to test you.

Overall, I believe that you'll get the most shit-tests in your lifetime when you're in that period in-between beta-chump and the successful alpha-bro. There also comes a point when you're just "way too attractive" to be shit-tested. These are the guys I've witnessed have sex within 5 minutes of meeting a girl at the club.

cntthnko1 11y ago

I was curious if that was such a thing, "way too attractive." The way girls are towards me, I assume I am... I'm slowly understand what my plan needs to be, all of you guys commenting is really great, means a lot.

DoesNotMatterAnymore 11y ago

Tbh, you are absolutely right!

Good old friendzone. We all know that if you land in the friendzone, it's your fault! Why?

Maybe you are not attractive enough, or your personality is not good enough. "But that's just blabla". The main reason why people land in the friendzone, because you are not sexually "daring" her. You are not a "sexual threat" to her. She knows, she can act normally around you (keeping her bitch-shield off), she treat you like her gay friend, because you show no sign that you are actually attracted to her, and want to fuck her. And even if you try to sexsually "dare" her, you are unable to handle the flood of shit-tests. Jumping from the friends ladder to the fuckable ladder, failing, and falling into the misery.

I believe that you'll get the most shit-tests in your lifetime when you're in that period in-between beta-chump and the successful alpha-bro.

You are the one who is radiating pure friendly intentions. If you are just nice to her, and showing NO sexual interest in her. She not gonna treat you like a "possible fuck". And if you are good looking, with a nice personality and still a beta boy, the only reason why she actually initiates the sex, because she is fuckin frustrated with your betaness.

Imo, the "friendly approach" is the reason why women despises beta men. You are not straight about your true intentions. Instead of being confident and openly flirt with her, you try to befriend her, and "let's see how it goes after this".

69Cobalt 11y ago

From female friends I have, it pretty much seems that unless you're male model level good looking, some macho dude with a personality advantage will have a way higher chance of getting with them.

I have an uncle who is pretty RP, he grew up very poor and worked his ass off and now lives in a huge house with an aston martin. He's like 5'5(and totally shredded/ripped) but has had no problem with women cause of his behavior. His last wife cheated on him and he immediately divorced her and met a hotter girl 10 years younger that he married about 5 years ago and had 2 kids with(theyre still together).

tl;dr Personality almost always trumps looks, and even if you're good looking working on personality is a good idea

cntthnko1 11y ago

I think i understand now, thanks.

I am male model/actor material, as far as girls have told me. The most common compliment is perfect hair and eyes. The reason for perfect eyes (ya, i actually asked the girls that say shit like this to me, not sure if i should or not...) is because of the way my eyebrows sit above them... And a full head of hair and whatnot.

But as you said, i still need to work on personality, which i am. I think no matter how good looking i am, i will need to have a solid personality and have ambition. I just dread being willful and doing shit. Its necessary though, thats what i understand now. I thought i could just half ass it because of my looks but i cant. Ill only end up finding shitheads if i act like one.

lucifa 11y ago

Being good looking is simply a foot in the door. Girls are more open to your approach, more willing to hear what you have to say. It comes with the expectation that they want you to win, but you still have to work for it. However if you lack frame, don't maintain eye-contact, stutter when you talk with your shoulders hunched, then you have as much chance as an obese sweaty mess.

cntthnko1 11y ago

I have a general guess what "frame" is, eye-contact isn't hard anymore, and don't stutter nor hunch over. What I am missing is information, context, will, interests... This is something I will only get by acting, I realize.

AlienSunrise 11y ago

Good points but not always true. Back before RP I was a really timid dude. Very shy and quiet, walked with my head down and my shoulders curled in. But if you got to know me I was funny as hell and very charismatic, but only if you made the effort to talk to me. I never believes that I was really good looking. It's not that I didn't like how I looked, I just never thought I was above average. As I got older more and more people would compliment me but i would shrug it off. I didn't really care. In middle school I befriended a girl who was surprisingly nice for how hot she was. We remained friends throughout high school, but i never tried anything because I thought I didn't have a shot. Well that girl went on to be the head cheerleader of our highschool. Her best friend was the GF of a mutual friend. So one day him and I are hanging out, his GF shows up randomly with my cheerleader friend. They go into one room, and leave us alone. She initiated everything and took my virginity. I never displayed any confidence, or effort. She just wanted me. Who knows, maybe she misinterpreted my lack of effort as me acting like I was above her and she wasn't worth my effort and she went all RP on me before I knew what was happening. But i think it's fair to say that good looking guys can act however the he'll they want and still have a much greater chance than a fat mess.

lucifa 11y ago

I can relate to that experience in high school - but how old are you now and do you think in an adult environment that would work? I was painfully shy growing up and still had 'girlfriends' from them initiating. But I quickly learnt when I was 18 this no longer worked. As I said before, looks would get me through the door but I needed RP before I could bring girls home to fuck. Looks become less and less important the more you age, to the point where short, bald men can be perceived as 'attractive'. And not simply in a potential provider role, but pure physical attraction through status, dominance and power.

AlienSunrise 11y ago

I've altered my personality from being shy and timid, so seeming like I don't give a fuck and I just do as I please. It works.

whitecrane 11y ago

This also confirms Tom Leykis' theories. Leykis101.

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Patrick5555 11y ago

Then there is the idiocy of you not knowing his BAC and assuming the worst.

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Patrick5555 11y ago

look out guys we got a badass over here. can I just ask why you think the official limit was made 0.08 and not 0.00?

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mediamole 11y ago

Is that printed on your panties?

Patrick5555 11y ago

A wall of text that doesnt help you in any way. Can I just ask why ALL 50 STATES have set 0.08% as their official limit for non commercial drivers, and not 0.00000001% as your buttflustered comment would suggest it be set at?

johnnight 11y ago

Your frame is tighter than a Spartan phalanx.

I know me, I would have folded at some point into "baby, I am so sorry I hurt your feelings".

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That bitch sounds crazy. Watch your pee pee.

sniperhiding 11y ago

Good job. What did you verbally tell her right before you left?

Edit: Ah. Sorry mate, I missed the "silently" part. Excellent job.

vandaalen 11y ago

This is either fake or the bitch is completely nuts. If I would take take it for real and think of trickle truth I'd say that "Shawn" never existed.

But I'd advocate for troll bait. The whole story doesn't fit. 15 minutes of talking about a guy she never met? Nice try OP.

Cyralea 11y ago

This is easily one of the most believable FR's, not sure which part you find questionable. Women drone on about inane shit all the time, especially when they're attracted to you. It's a coping mechanism for nervousness, I think.

Good2Go5280 11y ago

If you're always willing to walk away, you hold all the power.

TimeToBugOut 11y ago

Nicely done.

I'll ~~beer~~ never understand why a woman would test a man like this. What are they trying to determine? Whether you'd stand up for yourself?

Or is it, more likely, a narcissistic desire for men to fight over them. She wanted you to fight over her. Win her over. Validate her.

What we call a shit test is probably, more realistically, a puerile need for validation .

TheKhajiit 11y ago

beer understand

Why does that typo completely make sense to me?

omigahguy 11y ago

has a similar circumstance where i was told "I need my space", my response was "sure go ahead", the following night she saw me out dancing with at group of five women, the night after that she was back as if she had said nothing

balalasaurus 11y ago

You better believe I maintain my fucking frame.

You sir, deserve a slow clap.

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nomdplume 11y ago

Whether the story is true or not, the example is good to discuss.

My only critique is that this kind of behavior can easily come off as a full-on, passive-aggressive Beta escape move.

Dont' be passive aggressive. Never assume anything (especially that a woman cognitively knows what she is doing - trust me, they usually don't). Be straight up about what you want, and what is going to work for you in any given situation. Show you are unattached to an outcome (abundance mentality) and give her a choice. In short, be a leader, not a manipulator.

(And I say that as someone who is fairly experienced with manipulation - yes, it got me laid, but ultimately, it never got me laid as well as being strong and direct)

If the woman isn't crazy (unlike the woman in this particular story, clearly), she'll respect your upfront show of strength, and your displayed respect for both her and yourself. She'll get that there are consequences to her actions, but that she can trust you to let her know in advance what those consequences are before they hit.

And FFS, don't start negotiating/arguing/convincing. Be clear and be ready to leave (not angry, but with a mind focused on abundance and your goals for the evening). Now she simply knows what's going on, and gets her role in it. Which is good, since she apparently needed some reminding.

Believe me when I say that women often have the ability to draw the most fucked up lesson possible from any given interaction. Best not leave it to chance - they rarely get the point you are trying to deliver unless you deliver it straight up and point blank.

awesomesalsa 11y ago

Man ditch the bitch for real. Shes a child.

SpaceChris 11y ago

Please decribe the leaving part more precisely. In this context it's very hard not to seem / look pissed.

SupALupRT 11y ago

Not really he just asked for his tab paid it and left. He didnt make a scene or explain why he was leaving or beg her to not bring the guy. He didnt like the situation so he left. She knew what she was doing and he wasnt having it.

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Sigh.

Fuck her brains out with a vengeance, but don't fucking date a ball busting bitch like this.

In fact, I wouldn't even treat her all that well after a disrespectful stab in the back like that. Treat her like shit.

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Swomp 11y ago

why is it so hard to believe this story (especially the last part)?

rpkarma 11y ago

Because you've not had much luck with women?

I've had girls say shit like that to me. Of course, I doubt it went down exactly in those words, but who cares? This is easily the most realistic FR I've seen around these parts lately. You can have that effect on girls yourself man! and you won't believe what "No" and walking away can do to a girl.

shrugs

I've experienced this myself, so I don't doubt it on the whole.

Eloni 11y ago

It's the list. Everything up to that point, (maybe even the fucking in the end) sounds about right, but there's just something about the list that makes the entire thing seem... off.

Ferelden 11y ago

Haha something about how she is going down a list of rp truths while he sits and smirks apparently. I have a feeling he was saying this stuff and then she basically repeated it back so she could try and get back in with him.

ktappe 11y ago

This is the more likely account of what happened. I don't get the feeling OP made it all up, but I also can't buy her ticking RP factoid off, one by one either.