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Couple of years back I was with my at that time girlfriend and she was telling me about her friend, lets call her Avril.

Avril had a Skater boyfriend who she met in High School. Avril loved Skater boy in high school. But now that she was graduating college it become apparent that skater boy lacked real career prospects so she began mentally distancing herself from him. Avril began going to clubs and flirting dudes.

My girlfriend was complaining to me about how controlling Skater boy was and how he insisted on reading her texts. She then nervously asked if I would ever do that. I said no I would never ask to read your messages. She was happy and the conversation ended with her telling me how she was so happy that our relationship is built on trust.

You see I would never ask to see those messages because given enough notice she would just delete whatever is incriminating. Anyway, a woman's friends are a reflection of herself; that's when I took the hint and began reading her shit.

I got a piece of paper wrote out her messages with times and dates. I later cross referenced those times and dates with when we were together, and when we hung out.

Here is the unsurprising thing I found out. You know how our generation, 20 year olds are constantly texting? While your fine dining your girlfriend she is flirting with dudes, getting attention from beta orbiters, and telling her friends how hot her boss is. You could be snuggling in bed, going on a hike, watching a movie, introducing her to your mom, it doesn't matter. Woman are constantly seeking sexual gratification in one way or another via texts. Don't believe me? Try this experiment for yourself, maybe you are right and Not All Women Are Like That, but realistically there is only one way to test your theory.

As a man you are very easy to lie to. You gaze longingly inteo her eyes and think about your future with a big house and kids in some weird quasi hypnotic state. You are not that difficult to deceive.

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0sdfh0hsd 12y ago

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/social-media-and-female-self-esteem/

Try to picture this life, except with the sex roles reversed. Every one of your trivial observations or random thoughts gets “upvoted”, literally and metaphorically, by throngs of admirers, mostly female but some male too. Your lauded accomplishments amount to sharing cute puppy pics. Say something stupid? No one will call you out on it. Make a lame joke? Everyone laughs uproariously. Post a drunken photo of yourself? Hundreds of chicks “like this” and cheer in unison, “you go, guy!”. Tell no one in particular that you are sad, and you’re having a bad day? Hundreds more line up to offer uplifting messages of support.

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Social network mediums like Facebook and Twitter have contributed to the bloating of the American female ego by giving her access to the admiration of ARMIES of would-be suitors (the equivalent of a handful of suitors in pre-internet fame times), and to an emotional support system that numbers in the hundreds, even thousands, over the relatively tiny social circle her grandmother was grateful to have in her day.

Today, it is insidiously easy for a woman in her peak attractiveness years to attention whore. If you want to know why so many women so readily whore for attention, the answer is simple: because they can. Cute puppy pic —> cascade of high fives. Who wouldn’t avail themselves of that quick ego fix?

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That is a really good blog, thank you for that

Padawanbater 12y ago

This link should be its own thread

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solid link. It makes you realize that it's sometimes not their fault, just the continual environmental immersion that's caused them to go down that track. As well as having weak father figures or single mothers raising more kids. But, with that said, it doesn't mean you have to settle for these types of girls. always keep that in mind as well.

Miamiheat87 11y ago

Settle for these girls? ALL the girls who are hot are going to be like this unless you live in Africa without internet.

HumanSockPuppet 12y ago

Crack may be cheap and easy to get, but you don't touch the stuff.

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IllimitableMan 12y ago

Yep women are addicted to compliments from Facebook most of them have the app installed on their phone and long to hear their phone go off with a notification.

If a chick doesn't have facebook that's a massive plus as far as I'm concerned, they use that shit for the ego validation beta orbiters and girls are willing to provide, to flirt with alpha dick and use it as a massive psychological crutch to feel good.

They feel important when their phone is buzzing off to "oh u look so pretty in this pic!" and "you look cute" or "hey how u doin?" in IM from 5 of their orbiters.

Chicks without facebook = GOLD, facebook ruins lives. Your girl on her phone on facebook whilst shes with you too much isn't a good sign, it's disrespectful and it means she's all fed on e-validation, rather than being concentrated on getting her man's (your) validation.

Facebook devalues compliments/validation significantly like porn devalues female sexuality. It's not better than the real thing but it acts as a great substitute.

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it's very similar to when you find a girl who has an old brick phone.

here's the link: http://www.rooshv.com/women-who-own-iphones-lose-the-ability-to-love

gnimsh 12y ago

Are we all orbiters of some women or should we refuse this for all the women we know?

VZPurp 12y ago

Refuse to orbit. There really is no sense in it; only detriment to the man.

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Don't orbit, treat them as a redpill would. I freind up girls that have hot friends all the time. Also i hook the bros up and go out with them to party and they hook me up.

VZPurp 12y ago

Yes, of course. Never orbit. Proceed with a more sensible RP approach.

IllimitableMan 12y ago

You orbit a woman if you want to fuck her but don't escalate to a point where you actually fuck her and thus without sexualisation give her lots of attention and make her feel good through idle banter, gestures and small talk. Essentially you're a validation monkey. You're not orbiting a chick if you don't want to fuck her but talk to her anyways. Usually the only reason to not want to fuck a chick is if she's ugly, there are things like her being your friends girl, but that doesn't mean you don't find her attractive it just means you exercise self-restraint and are forced into socialising with her via your circle. If your so-called female friend is "just a friend" and she's hot but you've convinced yourself "you don't want to fuck her" unless you're gay, you're probably lying to yourself and thus orbiting. Don't be the moon, be the planet.

Vinnie_Vegas 12y ago

You forget about those who are crazy and a few other reasonable factors (I won't go there with girls I work with, for instance, even if we're friends outside of work).

IllimitableMan 12y ago

Some guys do shit where they eat. And bipolar chicks are meant to be great in the sack although terrible relationship material.

Vinnie_Vegas 12y ago

The point is that there are circumstances where guys are friends with girls who are attractive, but not want to sleep with them.

This idea that men are mindless sex maniacs is a disturbing one that is accepted by far too many.

fuk_offe 12y ago

My youth has returned...

Anyway, this is pretty regular nowadays... I also been throught that... Until one day I grabbed the phone and saw :\

watersign 12y ago

I always tell dudes..look..theres no reason to hold women on a pedestal..at any given moment, if they aren't 534596 lbs overweight and halfway decent looking, theres a ton of guys trying to hang out with them. soo many beta orbiters out there

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feely3 12y ago

Hahaha.

I knew a girl who referred to her orbiters the exact same way, the ones who would offer her tickets to shows and conventions, rides to here and there, as her "doggies" or "puppies"

This is probably the 5th time I've heard someone else tell a story of a girl just referring to men as dogs. Maybe the thinking is that they're just following the girl like an obedient pup.

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why don't you just fuck another girl?

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[deleted] 12y ago

Just keep fucking her but don't be confused about where it's going.

Kreature 12y ago

I think the response you would get here is to spin plates, always keeps you options open, chance is shes gonna do it again and you want a branch to fall on. Don't forget that all them beta orbiters are her branches and once she is left falling she will latch onto one of them.

fuk_offe 12y ago

This guys. Wake up. Don't leave your branches empty. Here, from Roissy's 16 Commandments of Poon:

VII. Always keep two in the kitty

Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

Eloni 12y ago

I tried explaining this concept to /r/seduction once. Didn't end well, though it earned me a lot of karma. They all apparently thought I meant keep gaming your girlfriend.

(In the post it says 3 weeks after our breakup, which is correct. But it took her 2 weeks and 5 days after our breakup to move out of our apartment. So I faked it for all of 2 days before I moved on. My ex found out about it, and it pissed her off a lot more than anything else I could have done - whoever said the best revenge is a life well lived knew what he was talking about.)

fuk_offe 12y ago

I saw that post when you posted, and I agree completely. I also did the same mistake and I was in the mud for 6 months (arguably, I still am, in a way).

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fuk_offe 12y ago

Spinning plates, in my view, is not about fucking several women at the same time. It's keeping those potential prospects from running cold/stopping. I have to agree with Rossie on this one.

You might be right when we are talking about A leader of men (eg.: Khal Drogo) but when we are dealing with regular guys that approach the redpill, I still think this is the best approach.

Again, I speak from experience here. I willfully severed connections with my "plates" because I thought that would be unfair (I considered that semi-emotional affairs I guess?) and it had the exact opposite effect, soon, shit hit the fan because I was doing that and she kept on doing that, even tho I expressed my disappointment (lolbeta)

ANYWAYS, I think that not-spinning plates only works for super-natural-alphas, regular aspiring redpillers wouldn't fare well with that approach, IMHO...

TL;DR - forever beta

veggie_girl 12y ago

This I agree with. I forgot about the key difference here with this safety net vs. that of the kind I'm used to seeing women use.

In the case of spinning plates you are building the net YOURSELF. It's all your own work and your own game, just like your personal retirement fund or what you've paid into a 401K.

I wrongly confused it with what I'm all too often used to seeing and that's welfare state safety net that women fall back on when they aren't responsible with their sexuality.

The safety net that Roissy talks about is actually you taking responsibility for your sexuality and building your own "savings account" of sorts, which is a smart thing to do. It's not a handout from the daddy state.

noblepaladin 12y ago

This also extends to more than just romantic partners, but all types of relationships in general. Very often, I've noticed that when people start dating, they isolate themselve from their friends, preferring to rely on each other. But what people often forget is that you derive a lot of your value from your friends. For example, most higher paying jobs are actually acquired through networking, I don't go around hooking everybody up with great jobs, only my closest, most valuable friends. If you don't invest in your social network, it will fall apart and your value will go down. If you are a leader of men, and you stop leading, someone else will step up and pick up the mantle.

This is typically what happens when girls say "He was so awesome when I met him a few years ago, now he is different, he changed, he is so boring". The man over-allocates his investment into the woman and ignores all his other relationships and other aspects of life. His peers become more distant because they don't get anything from the guy and they elect a new leader of men. The benefits of that position go away.

fuk_offe 12y ago

This is typically what happens when girls say "He was so awesome when I met him a few years ago, now he is different, he changed, he is so boring". The man over-allocates his investment into the woman and ignores all his other relationships and other aspects of life. His peers become more distant because they don't get anything from the guy and they elect a new leader of men. The benefits of that position go away.

This should be put on a picture with blurry background. So true (happened to me, fucking idiot beta I am).

veggie_girl 12y ago

If your motivation for spinning places is to have a safety net that is actually pretty beta and you are doing it wrong. An alpha doesn't need a security net.

The only redpill reason for fucking more than 1 girl concurrently is because you simply want that much sex. Maybe 1 girl can't provide the amont you want, or maybe you aren't happy without variety. The reason to spin plates should always be because you want the sex, and don't lie about it to yourself or anyone else.

An alpha shouldn't be afraid of seeming a little selfish. Everyone is a little selfish; that doesn't mean you are a shitty person that has to hurt others, nor is it an excuse for it (hence why "secretly cheating" is a very beta thing to do, something women do) because cheating does hurt others when they find out about it. If you want to fuck multiple women but your girlfriend won't allow it then you aren't the kind of man who should be committing to a girlfriend like her.

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veggie_girl 12y ago

Downvoted myself. See other comment.

daykid 12y ago

I usually look forward to reading your comments here, but I can't help but feel that even you are falling victim to the hamster. Spinning plates seems like a good idea to me for just about any reason (unless a guy is really thinking about committing to a single girl).

fuk_offe 12y ago

Yes, I think the problem was that "spinning plates" got misunderstood for "fucking many plates", when it just means not-severing-potential-mates-just-because-currently-you-have-a-girlfriend.

Eg.: relegate your "plates" to "friends", but don't let them run cold. Like /u/veggie_girl said, it's about "building your own "savings account" of sorts". Just instead of money, you are saving sexual potential (real-estate?).

VZPurp 12y ago

You're giving shitty advice in this thread. Don't listen to veggie_girl, listen to successful men.

fuk_offe 12y ago

Chill bro, it was a misunderstanding...

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veggie_girl 12y ago

He's right. I fucked up.

Safety and security are something women often seek, to be given to them by other people. In contrast when a man builds his own safety net it's entirely different. He made it, he owns it. When shit hits the fan he's falling back on himself not someone else.

For women when it comes to sexuality the equivalent is birth control, abortion, or having enough money herself to raise a kid without external support. Also beta orbiters, though I don't like that idea morally.

SoftHarem 12y ago

Both your posts were reported and if you weren't normally on point I would nuke them. RP men should always have options regardless of their current dating status. Exclusivity is not something the vast majority of us are interested in. Granted, I don't think you should commit and then cheat unless you find out she is being disloyal and then all bets are off. Honestly, it is pretty safe to assume that 99% of even moderately attractive women have multiple men they are fucking and/or getting validation from, so why shouldn't we?

veggie_girl 12y ago

I'm glad you didn't nuke them, because it'll be helpful to understanding how my viewpoint wasn't necessarily accurate. I made a mistake and I clarified why I came to the wrong conclusion in another comment. And I'm sure if I made this mistake there are plenty of others who might rationalize it the same way.

SoftHarem 12y ago

It boils down to this: Women want men who other women want. The second you think you own him is the second your attraction nose dives. Assuming monogamy, he maintains this balance by flirting right in front of you. This is why Roissy is on point when he talks about never being a "kept man" and while that doesn't necessarily imply he should be cheating, it does imply he should have options if you ever start disrespecting him.

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SoftHarem 12y ago

/u/redpillschool is the flair man so I would message him.

watersign 12y ago

lol, time to move on to another one bro. just cause you think they're betas, doesn't mean they're above letting some other dude smash her guts

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lazlounderhill 12y ago

I don't doubt what you say, but I'll gladly dump (and have dumped) any previous girl who goes through my phone or hacked my email or private areas of any social websites - they are the same thing in my mind.

I simply refuse to do it, though I know 99% of women would have absolutely no moral qualms with doing it. In fact, I got into a pretty nasty argument with a woman about it recently. The hamstering was truly awe inspiring. I finally asked her if she would feel comfortable going through one of her female friend's phone, and that promptly brought the discussion to an end.

I claim the moral high ground on this one - it's an inexcusable invasion of privacy. You have to draw the line somewhere and this is where I draw it. I think if you do this kind of stuff, you basically have no right to complain about someone else, or your government for that matter, doing it.

QuietlyLearning 12y ago

I've a friend who is proficient with security and he's been teaching me on the side for a bit now. You may want to look into learning how to secure your stuff. This way you can say that they are free to look through it if they can get into it.

lazlounderhill 12y ago

I think that's a good thing to be proficient in, I just think it's a shame that it's necessary.

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lazlounderhill 12y ago

I don't blame you at all for that. It's not an unreasonable position to take when you take into account everything else. I'm just saying that from a personal ethics stance, I, personally, refuse to go there. For me, it's about something larger and more significant than "the dirty game".

Scarlett_Begonias 12y ago

I totally agree with you. I have never looked through any of my boyfriends' phones or messages, with or without permission. I expect the same courtesy from my boyfriend. I rarely make promises of monogamy, but if I do I expect my word to be trusted. If you don't trust me, it's over. If I ever found myself suspicious enough of a guy to check his phone for something, I would take that as an indication of major (probably insurmountable) problems in our relationship. In a normal, healthy relationship, you shouldn't have to waste your time and effort snooping.

lazlounderhill 12y ago

Thanks. By the way, I am "one of the guys' over at Mensrights. I'd encourage you to lurk around there a little longer, I think you'll find that there are plenty of less than bitter men over there, though bitterness is certainly a feature of the subreddit - and I think if you care to observe them for a while, you'll find that a great deal of the bitterness isn't entirely unwarranted. Whatsmore, I applaud you for taking enough of an interest to form your own opinion here and there. You should meander through MGTOW sometime too, if you haven't already.

Scarlett_Begonias 12y ago

Of course it's not unwarranted. It's just unnecessary and totally counter-productive. I do like the mensrights subreddits. I just can't help but argue with some of the less evolved individuals though, because any comment I make to them is totally twisted in their mind just because they know I'm a woman. Most of you have come to your conclusions totally logically, and don't let those conclusions become rigid, non-useful generalizations. Some of you though have obviously been completely broken by some crazy woman, and it's a shame because we're not all like that.

lazlounderhill 12y ago

They need people like you to talk to them - it's very easy to develop tunnel vision in that subreddit and the moderators and members are very aware of the problem, and they frequently encourage "breaks" from that subreddit. The amount of vitriol in general towards MensRights, makes some of them feel persecuted, and when people feel persecuted they turn in on themselves and lose perspective. You need only to go visit r/feminism to see how that works, and it's working over at MensRights. The only thing, in my humble opinion, that prevents it from becoming as cultish as r/feminism, is the fact that they do not outright ban people who offer up different perspectives (a policy not shared by r/feminism or even r/askwomen for that matter), and I hope they never change that policy - the day they do, is the day I stop going there. Anyway, I'm rambling. thanks again.

Scarlett_Begonias 12y ago

I've actually never ventured into r/feminism... For some reason I don't think I'd be very welcome.

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hahahahahaha. fucking instagram girls taking pictures of their face and shit

Vinnie_Vegas 12y ago

I think I'd probably dump a girl if she was constantly texting while we were together... I don't think it'd matter one fucking bit who she was texting or what it was about.

QuietlyLearning 12y ago

I tell the woman I'm with that when they enter my room they are to put their phone next to mine. I let them answer it if it is a call but texts are not permitted. Be adamant.

Another idea that became useful was to have everyone at the table (at a restaurant or dining) put their phones in a pile off to the side. First person to pick up their phone before the check arrives pays half the check. This put a kabosh on texting while people were around.