Essay:
https://therationalmale.com/2018/01/23/thoughts-on-aziz-ansari/
Excerpt:
The Ansari incident has a lot of Red Pill lessons to teach. First and foremost is the fact that Ansari is a consumate Beta. Looking at the guy he resembles any number of Indian computer programmers frustrated by a want for the secret formula to make a gorgeous American blonde with big tits fall in love with him. Don’t get me wrong, I counsel these men personally, but he fits that schema. Next, Ansari is a vocal and outspoken White Knight for feminism and regularly proves his male self-loathing as part of his standup act. I mean, the guy wears a Time’s Up pin. But like most male feminists, he gets hung by his own Beta Game bullshit – this is the fate of all male feminists.
Lastly, Ansari is a Beta who made good. I’ve talked about the Blue Pill White Knights and self-righteous AFCs in many a post, but I’m not sure I’ve emphasized how dangerous this mindset can be for a Beta who has a combination of affluence, celebrity and social proof. There comes a self-validation in that Blue Pill mindset when women want to be associated with him. He develops a belief that it’s his Blue Pill conditioning, and his adherence to it, that is the reason for his relative success with women. This insulates these guys from ever disconnecting from that conditioning, but it also lessens an incentive to see women in any other perspective. The result of this is exactly what Ansari experienced in this incident. He was too comfortable in presuming his pro-woman, female identifying, Beta Game would make his sexual expression ‘Okay’ with any woman who gave him positive sexual interest.
Another big indicator of this, and really much of Beta Game, was his repeated pawing of Grace and repeated sexual expressions with her. It wasn’t working as he believed it should, so what was his solution? Continue with the negotiation and hope for a positive sign of reinforcement from her. Every act that Ansari attempted with Grace was a form of negotiation. I can’t get sex? How about a blow job? No? Okay how about if I go down on you? She feels forced? Woah, default to female identification persona. Presume the sale, “How do you want me to fuck you?”
This is all one big negotiation – there is no genuine desire and no enthusiasm of the part of Grace – but since Ansari has never had the incentive to learn Game he keep going back to what he thinks should work on her.

redpilledcuck 8y ago
Just curious, what advice to you give them?
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Code-FDSD 8y ago
She sucked his dick...then exposed him to the world. I would sue the bitch for defamation. It was a total set up in order to exploit the #metoo bullshit. This girl needs to be quick scoped.
JackDallas 8y ago
This just had to be repeated.
Phixer7 8y ago
He got what he deserved, he wants to pump and dump big titted blonde white women , but he doesn't make their panties wet. They are using him for his money and to meet real celebrities. Yet he believes he a Leonardo DiCaprio or George Clooney . He is never going to be that ,and he cannot understand why.
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Who cares? Results are all that matters. His celebrity will let him fuck many, many women. Quit being a pussy.
Because of Aziz skin color, this metoo nonsense will get brushed under the carpet. Louie is totally fucking ruined.
magnificent18 8y ago
It’s because he probably believes what most blue pill or male feminists think “that looks don’t matter.”
But they do!
There’s a lot of people think girls don’t care for looks. If he looked like Ronaldo you wouldn’t hear about this.
You only make her pantries wet if you hack her amygdala with your good looks by giving her the warm fuzzy tingles.
saibot83 8y ago
Dave Chappelle said this in his latest special. "If it'd been Brad Pitt doing this, y'all wouldn't have heard shit. She would've come down from that hotel room: -I got the part!"
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Girls do care for looks.wherr people get it twisted is they think women care for looks the same way guys do.
Let's be real. She will still fuck a 10. But bet your ass she will fuck weinsteins fat ass if she had the chance too. At the end of the day it's all the same to her. And even if you are a 10/10, powerhouse businessman, wealthy, and have excellent game, your ass could still end up on #metoo
Phixer7 8y ago
You are correct, it totally matters.
They want someone tall, muscular and good looking all the things he is not.
magnificent18 8y ago
Correct! And he isn’t white! It’s the skin color in itself that reinforces the current stereotype or people’s perceptions of him.
If he was white, but same looks, he probably would’ve gotten away with it too.
Phixer7 8y ago
Even if he was white he would have been in the same situations,
No woman want a 5'5" scrawny, pudgy , effeminate bata male. That's never gonna make women moist.
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Omnibrad 8y ago
A 300 pound man has a slight advantage over a 400 pound man in a game of hoops but neither is going pro. You are missing the forest for the trees. There is no "slight advantage" when you are a fucking loser.
magnificent18 8y ago
A white loser is still better than a minority loser. Trust me!
magnificent18 8y ago
Look at Tarantino, looks worse than Ansari but slays more women.
Lefort3000 8y ago
Classic example of your average man not being able to judge male attractiveness to women. Tarantino is better looking, he's taller, has a bigger frame, and also has a better looking face. Aziz has subpar facial bones and even worse he has a subpar eye area. And there's the voice as well.
Omnibrad 8y ago
Gee, is Tarantino as awkward with women as Aziz? Or perhaps you would like to continue making this about race instead of what it is really about - sex.
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Otunbakay12 8y ago
Just to make a clear point here. Ansari was going to loose no matter what the outcome of the situation was because this girl had an agenda in the first place (to publicly shame Ansari). No matter what the outcome was, this girl was going to come out and say something about this guy anyways. The guy is just a victim of the society and the truth is that the world gives no F**ks about his POV.
Gozsayin 8y ago
This is only half true. If Aziz had been more red pill he couldve taped into her desires, smashed, and been done with it. For all we know his beta tatics could've been the driving force leading her to shaming him/going after his money. Aka he's got no game/ he is a beta/ he is weak / let's try to test him
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the truth is that the world gives no F**ks about men.
EFT
magnificent18 8y ago
I’d like to mention a guy could look physically beta and that’s all it matters to a woman without even trying to get to know him.
She will think his personality is beta because he looks beta, but oh boy can that be ever so wrong.
This is why average yet self groomed looking Indians still have a hard time. The combination of our brown skin and average looks reinforces that stereotype that we are only good providers, run 7-11s, work in the IT, or are some sort of engineer/doctors. Which has an inferior not cool stigma to it. There’s nothing sexy about it.
We do worse than a white guy who doesn’t put any effort into how he looks, unless we are facially attractive ourselves.
Chad = alpha in looks and naturally alpha in personality due to many women wanting him, therefore shaping his mentality to one of abundance.
Regular redpill dude = beta in looks but adopts alpha mentality
Lambdal7 8y ago
Not really true. If you're body language and your facial expressions aren't beta, but instead, comfortable, a bit challenging, a bit superior, cocky funny without being arrogant, if you take up space with your body language, make big gestures sometimes without being weird or phony, if you hold strong eye contact, a woman sure wouldn't think you're beta.
If you don't do these things yet, you aren't really "alpha" yet.
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BlackCraneStoic 8y ago
My problem with brown men is that they complain so much about not getting tail and having low SMV in "white culture" they rarely take the time to see how they fair within their own with women who look like them.
Even my arabic friend gets down on himself for not pulling white blondes but not once have I ever heard or seen him put out an effort with middle eastern women. Like attracts like.
magnificent18 8y ago
This has nothing to do with white girls. Point I’m trying to make is:
BlackCraneStoic 8y ago
You ever stop to consider that you're adopting the mating values of a culture that isn't your own? That white man sexual strategy is different than Asian strategy? Especially living in white westernized regions? TRP is a guideline proposed from the frames and the perspective of white culture. Any racial nuances and subtleties when it comes to game you have to figure out on your own.
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Yanlii 8y ago
What is this fantasy? It is complete BS. Indians are clueless and request girls to send "bobs and vegana" online.
InstigatingDrunk 8y ago
did you pull this out of your ass?
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InstigatingDrunk 8y ago
Ok this makes sense. THanks for clarifying!
foot_odor 8y ago
There’s still enough Indian women for you then.
[deleted] 8y ago
indian women don't want indian guys either. I think they best shot we got is Mexican/Latina girls, which IMO are really sexy to me.
magnificent18 8y ago
See this is where the problem lies therein. In America there’s only 4.5 million Indians. 64x less than the Caucasian population. So going out and finding an indian woman of my age or younger is hard to find (64x harder). Then the chance that she is attractive and likes me back is lower since not every girl you run into likes you.
But hey I’m not complaining. Just stating facts.
Atleast now I know why all my white friends of all different attractiveness have gotten girlfriends in high school and college when nothing’s happened to me, even though I am outgoing and sociable.
To be honest my personality is stronger since I’ve worked on it more than most people.
caP1taL1sm 8y ago
In general, don't make excuses
foot_odor 8y ago
Pretty funny how traditionally/strict immigrant parents of all ethnicities who move into the West don’t realize that getting their children married to similar people is not automatic and generally fail to even help in this.
magnificent18 8y ago
Tell me about it. At this rate I’m lucky if I find a cute Indian chick. Shit I’ll be fine with a 6 that at least works out.
Some Indian women already started dating non Indian men, which I can clearly see why from the TRP standpoint.
Last case resort would be going back to India, where my SMV would be through the roof, and finding a chick to bring back here. But fuck that, the culture is different and there will still be some sort of clashing.
Oh well idgaf, I’m tryna get rich.
InstigatingDrunk 8y ago
lol on top of the women from southeast Asia and/or middle east are starting to ride the white CC so you need to adapt to the climate. definitely brown folks got the shorter stick.
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yea we did. I did get to bang some girls way hotter than i deserved though. but that was in my early 20's, now in my late 20's i might as well have "Provider" stapled to my forehead. sigh...
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merchcon 8y ago
Your SMV is through the roof in India? LOL - this just means that are you attractive to the Woman's family that will approve of the marriage and you could easily end up being their bitch - as much as India families are supposed to respect the son-in-law; I've seen many examples where marrying Indian just puts a whole load more burden on your life.
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charm3 8y ago
Lol dream on bro...ppl dont really worship NRIs in india anymore ...
safeat99 8y ago
lol are you sure about that? I just came back from India and got tons of marriage offers. Im only 23 though, so no marriage for me.
charm3 8y ago
Sure but did u meet/look at the chics?
safeat99 8y ago
I didn't meet them personally but I saw some of them at a wedding I went. 7/10
Omnibrad 8y ago
You do worse than a homeless white guy who hasn't changed his clothes in weeks?
Do you even lift, bro?
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magnificent18 8y ago
Yes I lift! Been lifting for 4 years straight. Drive a Altima midnight edition, I only wear lacoste and Ralph Lauren. My hair and beard game is up to point. I have to maintain it every 2 days.
Everything is literally on point and perfected, and because of that I sometimes can look above average when everything goes right and is lined up. But regardless, I’ve spoken to many women about this and it’s their lack of them knowing about us and only knowing the stereotypes.
I don’t blame them, we’re the minority in America, why should they learn to care about our differences in culture, even though we are American born.
Lefort3000 8y ago
What's your reasoning behind wearing only Ralph Lauren/ Lacoste? Were you in a frat?
And you've been lifting for four years, does it show? And as you probably don't know, you should workout your neck. Having a thicker neck makes you more like a jock, it's undoubtedly the number one muscle group to grow to make you look more maculine, and everyone ignores it.
Yanlii 8y ago
Beta car. "Wow, he drives a Nissan, so hot" - said no girl ever. Get a top of a line Merc or BMW coupe at least or Lamborghini if you can afford
aka "Average Joe who thinks he dresses rich clothes". Get LV, Balmain, Giuseppe Zanotti Design and try again.
InstigatingDrunk 8y ago
so you still dress like you work in IT?
magnificent18 8y ago
Yup... exactly... might start wearing Burberry once I become a doctor and then st Laurent after I start working at a 7-11
Omnibrad 8y ago
Wait, so do you get laid or no? Because white men who put no effort into their appearance don't get laid.
So either you don't get laid and want to blame your race, or you do get laid and you don't actually do worse than the aforementioned white slobs.
magnificent18 8y ago
I’ve gotten laid once by an Indian chick (6) that’s it.
At my work there’s a lot of out of shape white guys who don’t dress the best, definitely don’t work out, they are around my age or slightly older, and are actually getting married or engaged.
I put a lot of effort into my look.
I know how to talk and escalate in social settings but that only works if the girl is interested in you first.
But it doesn’t matter, just because I stand out won’t change a thing unless I was really good looking or I just settle for less attractive women, like 4s and 5s.
You should ask you nearest average looking indian dude how it’s going for him.
On tinder I only would get fat women or black women matches.
I used an indian app called Dil Mil and it’s funny because this app shows everyone from the US as your swiping and doesn’t breakdown by your geolocation. Which makes sense, again there’s not alot of Indians in America compared to caucasians.
Please don’t think I’m bitching here lmfao. I’m just stating the facts.
I’m 24 btw
BlackCraneStoic 8y ago
You're gunning for white women instead of optimizing value from your own culture aren't you?
magnificent18 8y ago
No this has nothing to do with white women stop assuming
BlackCraneStoic 8y ago
You ever stop to consider that you're adopting the mating views and values of a foreign culture to you and what works for them (whites) won't necessarily work for you?
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Something doesn’t add up. You lift but are you strong and look it? How tall are you? Do your clothes fit? What famous guy (Indian or not) do you most resemble?
Are you actually as socially adroit as you say you are? What do strangers and acquaintances say about you behind your back or to your face? What are women actually telling (doing/saying to) you when you approach them? What feedback are you getting? Because that’s what matters.
Looking in the mirror and saying “I’m hot” doesn’t make it so. I know Indian guys who slay bro, something’s off here.
magnificent18 8y ago
Lol I don’t say “I’m hot” I’m average as hell when it comes to my face, and for that other races don’t care, unless I looked like Ronaldo.
But I work out, dress right, and keep up hygiene. I’ve been complimented many times.
We already know most people tend to stick with their own race anyways.
Remember the Indian race is 64x less than Caucasian. We only make up 1% of America.
You know we are rare when the Indian tinder app shows everyone in the US instead of a 10 mi radius around.
Coming across a decent Indian chick (atleast a 6) is rare.
Plus I’m in the Midwest (Chicago) so that might be a thing and I’m 24.
But hey I’m not complaining. I’m just stating facts.
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If what you’re doing isn’t working, try something new. You might need to experiment w/ outlandish game but you’ll definitely need to upgrade your frame.
You don’t believe it so how can she?
magnificent18 8y ago
Okay but we can agree that Indians have a bad stereotype.
That stereotype makes it harder
By the way I’m taking to a few girls via text that I’ve met through the Indian dating app but they aren’t in the Midwest.
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I very much disagree. That’s my point. Do yourself a solid and read, then contemplate, the sidebar
Edit: I worded this poorly. it’s not that I disagree that a stereotype exists, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your response to it. All that matters is what’s within your control. Focus 100% there, and you will get better results.
magnificent18 8y ago
Bro I bet you’re not even indian. You can’t tell me what you think when I live it lmfao.
It’s like telling a black person there’s no racism or white privilege.
magnificent18 8y ago
No I did not think about it that way. Interesting point
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[deleted] 8y ago
Hey Russian bear, what about this guy, I've added Tilak on his forehead. https://imgur.com/a/hAXAw
He didn't start lifting the time I met him is he a Red pill beta ? Lmao
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HelpMeFindNewGlasses 8y ago
How would Aziz have to act if he chose not to "deny his own race"?
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Race had everything to do with him not losing his career.
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how can i embrace my mystical Indian culture if I hate Indians and hate myself for being Indian?
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JamzeNeu 8y ago
What exactly are trying to say?
There isn't any instance where he was "pretending to be white."
He is just a high status beta dude trying to casually fuck a chick who was very clingy and begging him to fuck her.
Where did the race come from?
This is right.
What are you trying to say? You have any idea what you're talking about?
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JamzeNeu 8y ago
So, a person who grew up in America should not adjust to his environment and start following his Indian customs and beliefs which are retarded when you compare American culture, and be a pariah among fellow Americans?
When you can't defend with logic, start a personal attack. Good job there.
Dunning-Kruger effect. Nothing new here.
If you knew as much as you think you do, you would have made a more sensible comment.
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Rian_Stone 8y ago
Oh boy. India is <1% divorce rate. Having said that, look at the societal engineering that has to take place to get that.
Trust me, no self respecting man in here wants that.
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Rian_Stone 8y ago
Parades are for children and fags
notmycupofpee 8y ago
the thing is, ansari never had the chance, even if he had "game". he's too short, too annoying, and most importantly, too indian. some people were born to be beta, and when they try alpha techniques, it backfires. he should've known his place in society and stayed in his lane.
AllahHatesFags 8y ago
If Ansari wasn't a wealthy, famous comedian he would be a currycel. A 5'6" Indian guy who sounds like he's breathing helium wouldn't have gotten a woman into his place if not for the massive amounts of wealth and status he has. But even then, you cannot negotiate or buy desire, which is why "Grace" lost interest as she realized he wasn't going to immediately LTR her and shower her with gifts. The guy has no game and was not able to overcome LMR and f-close despite the fact she lingered around the apartment after mutually awkward attempts at oral sex. The guy is proof that wealth and status by themselves are not enough to be successful in dating. I would feel bad for him if weren't an outspoken male feminist, so instead I laugh.
-firemelon- 8y ago
where he messed up was buying a meal with her. if he had just said come to my house none of this would have happened. He didn't treat her like a groupie that's where he went wrong.
juliman17 8y ago
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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rationalthought314 8y ago
Aziz made the mistake of trying to bed a self-centered indecisive weirdo who tried to monkey branch into a relationship she thought would open doors to more opportunities and higher monkey branches.
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-Mavs 8y ago
Argued with a rich guy on here once.
Guy seemed to think $$$ = Alpha.
Fucking idiotic for thinking that.
We're looking at all these rich "powerful men" getting gang raped in their buttholes because in reality they're unwanted, out of shape, dad bod betas who just happens to have money.
360_no_scope_upvote 8y ago
Don't delude yourself. It's not only money it's status as well. You're coming off as jilted.
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When I was learning PUA before TRP was a thing it was pretty well known that the response to LMR was to withdraw attention. I have done this in many situations and it pretty much always results in sex. A woman who has come back to your house, or invited you into her house knows what she wants, LMR is basically a slut shield. If Ansari had have just taken out his phone, sat by himself on the lounge and started sending some emails and ignored her then she would have had her hand on his dick without him needing to push through LMR. It is always a bad idea to try and push through LMR, just withdraw attention and watch her come to you. Grace already planned on fucking him and this hapless beta moron snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Beta game is a misnomer, it is actually an absence of game, a void which includes pandering behaviour and passive entitlement that repulses women. To all of the Louis CKs, Ansaris and Weinsteins out there, at least learn some game if you cant be bothered going to the gym. Status plus game is 2 out of three and they will get laid by girls who want to fuck them. If Red pill logic was more well known everyone would be much happier.
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empatheticapathetic 8y ago
I remember reading that in 'the game' 12 years ago.
chaosmech 8y ago
More "with the times" than returning videotapes.
MyReddit6 8y ago
hahahahah "I've got to reply to some emails."
vengefully_yours Senior Endorsed 8y ago
I have to put winter air in my tires...
econquest 8y ago
you say this as though it were COMPLETELY obvious that what you need to do when you have a naked woman in your apartment who is your huge fan, is to ignore the fact that you are both naked, and your raging boner, and sit and do your taxes.
THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS!!!!
Drumcode-Equals-Life 8y ago
It would be obvious if you read the sidebar
Merwebb 8y ago
It is. You are taking shit out of context.
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You are a fucking imbecile
newstart 8y ago
It is as obvious as sky is blue. Read side bar.
SovereignSoul76 8y ago
YOU ARE NOT PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION!!!!
Hoodwink 8y ago
Have you ever visited someone with a cat?
Cats play the same games as women do. You go in for a pet, they walk away. You don't chase, you just find something else to get your attention that's nearby. Eventually the cat will come up to you (and might play the same game if you approach it the same exact way).
Seriously, men are dogs and women are cats. That's how it works if you know your pets and the average psychology of each.
TheScarletScholar 8y ago
Thinking about this, the relation is uncanny. My family had a cat and whenever anyone went to pick it up or pet it it'd get pissed. However, you start doing something productive like studying or writing a paper, and boom: it jumps on the table and lies directly on top of your work area. Fuckin cats lol.
red_matrix 8y ago
So - being in Hollywood I'm assuming Aziz had no choice but to spout off all that Hollywood feminist bullshit, the town is made up of actors and liars.
Behind closed doors, I'm sure he's been into all kinds of debauchery and sick shit. Hollywood is a lie. Don't believe the media. No one - NO ONE in Hollywood buys this bullshit.
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This is straight up regret from her, nothing more, nothing less.
But you are right, Ansari plays a weak hand with neediness and awkward comedy. Of course a girl is going to second guess what she does with a guy like this.
CosmicSpiral 8y ago
Judging from his behavior, I highly doubt that. Would someone with many options have pursued a relative nobody so persistently and clumsily? He should've naturally conferred less investment in this scenario and saved himself the headache.
People have this popular misconception that celebrities, no matter the profession, universally enjoy access to sex and indulge in it. While they have the opportunity to leverage their social proof to get laid more, most of them are socially isolated in reality. Between work demands, side projects, and hustling, it's hard to find opportunities to spin plates - which is why they rarely have relationships outside their immediate niches. The ones who do are typically the charismatic, fun-loving types who would run successful game without the glamour of fame.
Part of it was timing. If this had happened around Weinstein's public crucifixion, I guarantee he would never find work again. But it came at the tail end of the #MeToo fervor, and backlash was already building prior to the Babe letter. Part of it is his innocuous reputation. Weinstein had been the nexus of rumors for over two decades that stretch back to Grechen Mol and Gwyneth Paltrow in the late 90s. Ditto for Spacey. This was a one-off blunder with no deliberate malice or aberrant lust behind it. At worst he was handsy and tone-deaf.
But at heart, it's just the way Hollywood works. "Backing in public" is a finicky thing in a world where everyone judges you for everything, whether it's behind doors or on the street. Over time you become exquisitely sensitive to which way the winds are blowing, and your responses inevitably involve a modicum of self-interest. So people of note almost never publicly speak against someone unless they can confirm a lack of backlash i.e. the target is a walking zombie. Weinstein had all the networking and friendships in the world, but that loyalty meant nothing once the stigma of association overshadowed it. Similarly, people didn't disavow Ansari directly and indirectly because public reaction was too nebulous. They didn't want to end up on the wrong side of history.
GodLikeVelociraptor 8y ago
I keep finding experienced straight men and women generally believe what happened with Aziz and Grace wasn't assault. It was awkward and uncomfortable but not assault.
In discussing this with queer, asexual and less-experienced straight people they seem appalled by the behavior. There's a misunderstanding among a large number of people what negotiating straight sex often involves.
Wanderwow 8y ago
Wow, that last sentence is shockingly truthful now that I consider it. We have all these self-styled "queers" in social media / msm chiming in about straight sex when it's a whole different game than spotting a fellow blue-haired land whale.
red_matrix 8y ago
Porn has cucked an entire generation of teenagers into lifelong virgins. These kids don't have a clue what sex is.
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Porn? Please. Without porn all these kids would have is tampon instructions to know what a vagina is.
If anything fucked up young men it's society at large. This idea that you must be a sensitive door mat for a girl and wait patiently for her permission to fuck has doomed them. At best they can hope that some over the hill 39 year old with 2 kids will marry them and ration sex once a year before she divorces him for his money.
Actanonverba11 8y ago
If Ansari had been Red-Pilled, he would have withdrawn his attention from "Grace" as soon as she felt uncomfortable and/or kicked the bitch out. I'm more of a MGTOW/IBMOR myself, but I do know that you cannot negotiate attraction. The greatest power a man has is to walk away.
magnificent18 8y ago
I used to go out once or twice a month for the last 2 years at bars/clubs and house parties and I’d approach another Indian chick if I saw one that was single and attractive (atleast a 6). Hard to find.
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