Introduction
I recently stumbled upon a gem of a comment containing a view on female sexual success and male sexual success. Female sexual success was portrayed as a near-guarantee despite her effort, while male sexual success was portrayed as a return ON his effort. That assertion is because of the failures of men and women to understand the other, and our inevitable default to our self-understanding (solipsism).
Solipsism in Men and Women
The concept of female solipsism is used to explain many TRP concepts like hypergamy, women preferring strong men capable of leadership, and the inability of women to love a man the way he desires to be loved. This is supported by the idea that men and women seek different things in these areas.
For example, love for women is tied heavily (perhaps exclusively) to her hypergamy-focused dual-mating instincts. Love for men is tied heavily to his own polygamous-focused dual-mating instincts. Due to these differences, women love men the way the only way they instinctively understand- that is to say, fleetingly and in constant competition. Likewise, blue-pilled men love women the way they instinctively understand- through demonstration of loyalty, support, and effort.
This demonstrates not just female solipsism, but male solipsism as well. This is a key understanding, as male solipsism (the blue-pill) can unduly influence our own analysis of women, men, and both our attendant sexual strategies. This is despite the ability (or lack thereof) to break free from our individual, solipsistic (blue-pill) worldviews. More on this later.
Solipsism in Sexual Success
We (as men) frequently assume that the measurement of our sexual success (engaging in intercourse and successfully procreating) is the same measurement that applies to female sexual success. This is obviously incorrect, as the innumerable differences between men and women immediately preclude such a conclusion. The Sexual Marketplace alone stands starkly against such a notion. It stands to reason, then, that men and women also have different standards of sexual success.
Male success is measured by the ability of men to attract a mate and successfully procreate. Women desire strong, powerful men. It follows then, that the stronger and more powerful you are, the more women you can attract. Therefore, men need to put in significant effort in order to become strong, powerful, and more sexually successful. However, men also require access to healthy, youthful, women in order to increase the returns of sexual success. Other women will do, but if we can secure a younger, healthier woman (higher fertility), our efforts are more likely to be successfully rewarded (more healthy, strong babies). In order to do that, we need to be stronger than our peers. This forms the basis of male competition in the sexual marketplace.
Female success, conversely, is not measured by the quantity of their offspring, but by the quality of their offspring. Hypergamy drives women to obtain the highest quality genetic material they can get for their offspring. Women need resources for these quality offspring to survive, and in our current society, this gives rise to the Alpha/Beta dynamic. Hundreds of thousands of years ago, however, these seemingly disparate desires were one and the same. Powerful, strong men, without a doubt, were in command of resources that weaker men simply did not have. Therefore, the stronger and more powerful a man was, the greater the quality of offspring that could be produced with said man. However, these women must contend with said man's desire for women who have higher fertility. Therefore, women put in significant effort to appear more fertile than their peers. This forms the basis of female competition in the sexual marketplace.
The Solipsistic (Blue-Pill) Society
Solipsism is the blue-pill
Let that sink in for a minute.
Nearly everything about the red-pill fights against the solipsism of men in dealing with women. Blue-pilled men pedestalize women because that's what men want. We want women to make us the center of their world and, by extension, the sole purveyor of their fertile womb. Blue-pilled men are exceedingly loyal to women because that's what men want. We want women to be loyal to us so we can have unfettered access to their fertile womb. Blue-pilled men white-knight to support women because that's what men want. We want to be supported by others when we need it so we can stay strong (and retain access to that fertile female). Blue-pilled men treat women with the golden-rule, the (ahem) gold-standard of solipsistic thinking. Treat others as you would like to be treated.
Women, also, are blue-pilled like never before. Their solipsism translates directly into how they attract men and bear children. They find the masculine attractive, so they become more masculine in appearance. They dress like men, have short hair like men, behave like men, because that is what they find attractive in men. They try to obtain power and resources because they find these qualities attractive in men. That takes time, so they wait to have children, decreasing their fertility in the pointless endeavor of trying to attract men. Women use abortion and birth-control so they can have sex with any number of partners they desire, something that strong, powerful men do. Solipsism (the blue-pill), is a direct assault on female sexual success in nearly every aspect of their strategy.
The symptoms of our societies' ills- feminism, low birth rates, weak men, poor performance of men in education, the decline of marriage, all of it is traceable to the destruction of our mating strategies.
It is no surprise, then, that these societies inevitably falter and collapse. Weak blue-pill generations cannot compete with the strong generations created by the sexual strategies that evolved over millennia.

gbdoragnic 7y ago
> Nearly everything about the red-pill fights against the solipsism of men in dealing with women.
I don't think you understand what solipsism is, red pill is way more self centered than blue pill, But Solipsism is a dirty word so to quality your need for virtue signalling you make a attempt to say both genders are this negative thing
> Women, also, are blue-pilled like never before.
There are no blue pill women,
> The symptoms of our societies' ills- feminism, low birth rates, weak men, poor performance of men in education, the decline of marriage, all of it is traceable to the destruction of our mating strategies.
No civilization can be built with our mating strategies
red_philosopher 7y ago
I don't think you understand Solipsism at all. But feel free to continue your charade of understanding.
There's a recent post from Rollo himself that has the words "blue-pilled women" in it. This is an appeal to authority, so feel free to discount it, but you're full of shit xD.
I don't think I ever mentioned civilizations, though I think you are wrong. It depends on what you mean by "civilization" as a "civilization" can take many forms and has many sizes. If you mean ones with millions of people in a tightly confined space, I'd agree. That's why marriage was invented.
gbdoragnic 7y ago
> I don't think you understand Solipsism at all. But feel free to continue your charade of understanding.
"You are the only one who matters and you only take into your best interests", to say blue pill is Solipsism is confusing? how can a man who doesn't even view himself as worthy but shapes himself though the interests of others even began to operate under that mindset.
> There's a recent post from Rollo himself that has the words "blue-pilled women" in it. This is an appeal to authority, so feel free to discount it, but you're full of shit xD.
I never seen it, not saying it does't exist as I respect Rollo.
> The symptoms of our societies' ills- feminism, low birth rates, weak men, poor performance of men in education, the decline of marriage, all of it is traceable to the destruction of our mating strategies.
Societies were formed with the destruction of our natural mating strategies ,My entire issue with your reasoning is it follows a very blue pill pattern and a trad-con ideology. Weak men aren't the issue , abused and oppressed men are, a baby isn't considered weak if a adult beats the shit out of them
red_philosopher 7y ago
That is the definition of selfishness, not solipsism. Solipsism is "The view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist." I expand this concept in my post.
It is if it is confused with selfishness.
Not sure what you are asking here.
Incorrect. Societies existed without the destruction of our natural mating strategies. Large, orderly, enduring societies used marriage to rein in the portions destructive to this end goal
So your issue isn't with the content (you agree with the content). Your issue is that you believe my points are blue-pilled thinking and adherence to a tradcon perspective. Tell me why it's blue-pill, I'm more than willing to listen. As far as tradcon goes, I'd like to hear more about that.
Weak men are always the issue. Weak men let themselves be abused. Weak men let themselves be oppressed. Weak men shift the burden of performance onto things or people other than themselves. This is no different.
MEN are not children. The perpetuation of that by you is grossly alarming. Children have no agency, unlike men who have complete agency over their thoughts and actions. Saying otherwise is a disgusting, feministic, attempt to shift your burden of performance onto society instead of taking ownership of your life.
Lateralanouncer 7y ago
Think you may have changed my entire perspective of everything, from homosexuality to why woman are such sluts now days.
CainPrice 7y ago
This hits on multiple interesting points.
First off, humans tend to love in the way they think that they want to be loved. An unsuccessful loser of a man will put women on a pedestal and be self-sacrificing, loyal, and over-attentive, independent of what the woman deserves, simply because she is a woman. Because this is what he wants for himself: a woman who will be loyal and attentive to him simply because he showed up. He would value a woman's time and attention simply because it was there and came from a woman, so he wants a woman to value his time and attention simply because it is there and comes from him.
On the other side, women will opportunistically love a man only to the extent that he deserves to be loved based on the value he brings, because they want a man who loves them appropriately - by giving them the attention and resources they deserve. They want a real man who values his time, attention, and resources and spends it appropriately, so they try to do the same.
Second, humans tend to judge others by the lens of their own experiences. For example, many men who are sexually unsuccessful, or barely successful, upon learning that their girlfriends have 15+ previous casual sex partners, become livid with anger. Often not for legitimate reasons, but for childish ones. They are jealous. While a loser guy was struggling and no woman would give him the time of day, his girlfriend was fucking a different guy every couple of weeks when she'd get horny, even though she had no desire to date the guys she was fucking. She was living exactly the life he'd have wanted, and he's angry because he's jealous. She didn't appreciate what she had and even has the gall to complain that she wasn't finding what she wanted while dating.
Meanwhile, the girlfriend genuinely feels that she was unsuccessful at dating. Sex was no big deal to her. When she was horny, she'd have sex. If she had a boyfriend at the time, she'd have sex with her boyfriend. If she was dating someone at the time, she'd have sex on her next date. If she had neither of those, she'd arrange a hook-up, either with a previous partner if one was available or she'd meet someone new. In her universe, when she was horny, she fixed that by having sex. Then went back to looking for a boyfriend and feeling unsuccessful.
Blaze_Bless 7y ago
If a man finds out that his girlfriend of say about 6 months (feelings for both for sure but nothing like "in-love") has had a very very large amount of sexual partners while he has had remarkably few by comparison and instead of feeling anger he feels more apprehensive/cautious to continue a potential LTR with said girlfriend because of this, do you have an opinion or advice on that situation? In my opinion hearing a girl has had 40 partners by the time she's 23 isn't a bad thing for her but to me it makes it less appealing to be in a LTR, I can't quite explain why but it just does and I can't figure out why, I'm not apologetic for that feeling I know it has roots somewhere in logic. Seems like a used car with a bad history, and also it's like someone having too many DUI's, the insurance company doesn't give a fuck how young and stupid you were you going to suffer the consequences, and someone with accrued debt from "young and stupid" years gets no break from the bank. My point I guess is that we are all responsible for our actions, but some chicks make it seem like it should in NO way deter someone from a LTR if said girl has had loads of partners. Any input would be appreciated cheers
CainPrice 7y ago
When you've had sex with 40 women, zero of them girlfriends, and you've learned your way around the casual sex culture, how casual sex happens, what the women are like, the ways most of them were the same, the ways most of them were different, and you come to grips with the fact that sex isn't this frighteningly important experience we've been placing on a pedestal our entire lives, that doesn't matter nearly as much. After you've understood women and been around the block and can appreciate that the majority of the girls you've had casual sex with aren't horrible, disgusting sluts, just slutty girls who enjoy sex, you can enjoy them as people instead of just bodies.
Today, if you're a guy who didn't get it growing up, you weren't part of the casual sex culture, you have 0-3 partners, and a woman with ... let's say 15 instead of 40 to make this a little more reasonable ... seems like a serious slut to you, this is primarily because in your mind, sex has been this unattainable holy grail experience that women seem to jealously guard from you. I'm not saying guys should marry sluts (or marry anyone for that matter), but it's a bit of a mistake to dismiss them as inferior, inhuman creatures over their slutty pasts. They just like sex. You can still enjoy them as people without marrying them.
Blaze_Bless 7y ago
Doesn't seem like a slut for having more partners, but I'm looking for insight on whether it's relatable or understandable to be apprehensive about specifically a LTR with a girl who has a vast sexual past if you don't and maybe why it's good to be apprehensive about it or beneficial to avoid a LTR with such a girl
CainPrice 7y ago
A girlfriend is just a casual partner where the two of you decided you like each other enough and it's more convenient and not too unpleasant to just have sex with each other. Try not to think of a relationship as some big "commitment" thing. It's more of a loose agreement. If either of you finds someone you like better, you leave. Either one of you can walk away from a relationship at any time. It's not a marriage.
If it's more convenient for you to have a relationship, it's not this huge deal where you worry about a girl's slut past because she might dump you later or cheat on you. It's not a marriage. You expect relationships to end. Obviously, don't invest too much. Don't move your girl in or spend thousands of dollars on shit for her or taking her on vacations. Just enjoy the sex while things last.
Blaze_Bless 7y ago
Good advice, very solid thanks. In this current situation I own a nice condo and she is loving with me but no paperwork or anything and it's only been about 5 months, so technically she's a houseguest at this point, and has lost 2 jobs since moving in, could be a red flag?
gbdoragnic 7y ago
> An unsuccessful loser of a man will put women on a pedestal and be self-sacrificing, loyal, and over-attentive, independent of what the woman deserves, simply because she is a woman.
No because he was taught
DamnDirtyApe87 7y ago
Nice summary, agreed on everything.
jkingauthor 7y ago
I've known many women exactly as you describe: they find men with graduate degrees and successful careers attractive, and somehow think that those attributes would also make them attractive. NYC is full of these single 30 some career driven women who can't understand how that Harvard MBA and high poewred job suddenly made them un-datable to 99% of the men.
I think you're corollary for men is really interesting. Do men thus become more beta or 'feminine' thinking it is what women find attractive? Seems like it. In Brooklyn all the hipster 'men' wear skinny jeans and man purses, ie, wear stuff that would look good on a girl.
Ivan_The_Reddish 7y ago
A Harvard MBA and a high powered job doesn't make them undateable to 99% of men, it makes 99% of men undateable to them.
Atheist_Utopia 7y ago
In other words, in ancient times, there was no such thing as alpha fucks or beta bucks, but only alpha bucks and beta peasant.
twofones 7y ago
Ah very nice symmetry there. Women are cucking themselves when they act like men. Just like men cuck themselves when they act like women. Blue-pill IS a prescribed solipsism, and being consciously disseminated to society by centralized forces in order to bring about a new order. And it is working brilliantly. (edit: clarity)
red_philosopher 7y ago
I think the biggest problem is that it's not necessarily being actively disseminated. Blue-pill thinking is notoriously self-propagating. It's horrific.
twofones 7y ago
It is certainly a natural disposition, of course.
What is important to account for is that somehow, after thousands of years of civilization, the social message changed to encourage bluepill thinking for men and women. Take Sheryl Sandberg’s 2013 model of hypergamy: [date the bad boys in your prime, then settle for a nice “equal” who’s waiting for you when you’re done]
That shit is NOT an accident.
It’s also not an accident that she tells young women that then turns around and finds herself a new husband with MORE billions than she has. It doesn’t get more centralized an deliberate(also hypocritical) than a female COO at Facebook.
There is an active and very recent (from a historical perspective) agenda to bluepill both sides so that society is more easily controlled.
It’s important to be aware of this so we can more easily reference this agenda when explaining the situation to people we care about
red_philosopher 7y ago
I'm interested in hearing about this, can you link me the info?
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Ciaccoo 7y ago
Solipsism is defined as believing you're the only person who truly exists, and that all other people are fake somehow. It's like godtier narcissism. This can easily be prescribed to woman and their hypergamous nature, but not to bluepilled men, whom care too much about what other people (mostly woman) think.
If anything, solipsism is the remedy for the bloops. Maybe then they'd take better care of themselves.
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So people are people got it.
fashfront 7y ago
I'm blown away
Very good case for an original theory
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AssumeFormlessness 7y ago
You have no idea what solipsism means, you just like to say the word. Solipsism is the paradigm that you can never truly know that the world exists outside your consciousness, and that you can't know other people's consciousness exist except your own. It's very deep philosophically, and has nothing to do with women, the red pill or the blue pill, because there are extremely few true solipsists in the world.
IncomeByEtnicity 7y ago
Was good until this part.
So if I find a busty woman attractive, over time I get breast implants?
Revo_Luzione 7y ago
There's a scientific name for this: the attribution bias. Individuals tend to think that other people think & feel the same as one's self. Thus women think men are attracted to the same qualities that they're attracted to. They attribute their sexual attraction cues as men's attraction cues. Women are more self-focused and thus solipsistic, so this effect is magnified in women.
red_philosopher 7y ago
Solipsism is based upon the idea that you cannot prove anyone else exists. You can only prove that you exist. We assume others exist because we know we exist. It's reasonable to believe they do, even if we can't necessarily prove it, so we assume on good faith that others actually exist.
This theory is based upon the extension of that principle.
You miss the point. We are all inherently solipsistic; it is a fundamental basic of the question of whether or not we exist. Solipsism isn't a spectrum; it is our basic assumptive interpretation of reality.
The effect isn't magnified in women; it simply manifests in different ways because of different biological goals.
red_philosopher 7y ago
Solipsism manifests somewhat differently in men and women. It's not the same. I could have fleshed that out more.
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You don't get breast implants but your testesterone levels decrease as you idealize women and put them on pedestal, you do not improve yourself and become the weak partner in relationship which is inherently feminine. Not planning to cause any controversy here but if you check so called "Soyboys", you'd understand how solipsism works.
Women imitate Men, thats how their solipsism works because it's in their biology to be lead, to look upon others.So they become more Masculine(ironically.) In Men's case however, it is the wrong and disturbed point of view.They do not act upon their masculine nature but they act upon the feminized "nature" that has been installed into them.They do not follow people but thoughts or "ideals" like feminism etc...
Even in their worst nature, both of the genders still prove a very crucial fact. Women follow Men, Men follow ideas.
IncomeByEtnicity 7y ago
In that case the quickest path to Alpha status, bursting with testosterone and masculinity is to put a muscular man in speedo on the pedestal? How is that not homosexual? Isn't male body obsession one of the historical pillars of gay culture? What makes one more Alpha - Posters of Hot naked women in your bedroom, or Posters of Shiny Ripped Men flexing in Speedos?
red_philosopher 7y ago
It's the externalization of the ideal that causes this issue. When you pedestalize a woman, you are idealizing her and worse basing your self-worth on the validation of that ideal.
It's not the fact that it's a woman, it's the behavior of idealization.
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IncomeByEtnicity 7y ago
Thank you for your patience. Very rarely do people take so much effort explaining their ideas. I applaud you for that.
So idealization = bad generally & especially bad when the person idealized is of the opposite sex of the idealizer. In other words, your role-models should be the same sex as you.
red_philosopher 7y ago
Ideally (ha!) you should be your own role model.
juju515 7y ago
very good post and a nice theory... but I don't agree with this bit:
thousands of years ago alpha males may have had more resources than betas... BUT that doesn't mean that they were willing to share them resources/time with females...
beta with less resources who's willing to give them all up for access to pussy is more valuable than alpha that has a harem of females...
krowitz 7y ago
You are actually taking about AF / BB here. Not one is more valuable than the other.
juju515 7y ago
yeah... ur right.. I meant to say "more valuable as an provider" even thought he has less resources...
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red_philosopher 7y ago
Nobody can truly comprehend the existence of anything outside their own mind. Men are not an exception to this rule. We can imagine, we can dream, we can make logical assumptions, but we cannot prove that others experience the world the way we do.
Literally tons of studies on short-term and long-term mating behavior of both men and women disagree with you.
Men WANT demonstrations of loyalty and support, this is respect. You are diverting from the solipsistic context. Blue-pilled men give their loyalty and support because it's what they want- not necessarily because it's what women want.
This is a perfect example of male solipsism in action. You assume because YOU do not experience solipsism the way women do, that you (and, even more solipsistically, all men), do not experience solipsism. This is a flaw of reasoning.
Blue-pilled men assume a woman's needs, which, ironically, happens to be what they believe they want. This IS solipsism.
BP men pedestalize women because they (men) want to be pedestalized by women. I, for one, would love to be worshipped as a man-god by women. Wait, Alpha Widowhood is a thing right? It is male solipsism that translates this desire onto the idealized woman. RP 101.
You're missing my meaning. Men want loyalty from women. So Blue-pilled men treat women that way because that is what men want FROM women.
This is false. For men, Solipsism doesn't preclude thinking of how others want to be treated, rather it assumes that others want to be treated the way YOU would want to be treated.
Blue-pilling is a term to describe a form of thinking. Women think differently than men do, so you are right in that women cannot be blue-pilled in the same fashion that men are. Solipsism affects men and women in different ways, both of which are destructive to the sexual strategies of the human race. This means that TRP addresses this problem for men. However, that doesn't mean that women cannot be "blue-pilled" (to apply the term) in their own way. And they are. And like weak men, weak women are a part of the problem.
This is beside the point, and a little too tin-foil for me personally.
Solipsism. Male blue-pill thinking damages their ability to be sexually successful, meaning these men settle for less healthy women, which means weaker and fewer offspring. Conversely, blue-pilled women are riding the Alpha-CC and not having Alpha-babies until they hit the wall and find the sub-par BB. This means more babies with lower quality genetics, a direct contravention of their sexual imperative to have the highest quality offspring.
Oi. Let's break it down in special terms for you because apparently you cannot think for yourself. We have two parties. They start at the same time and are great, and everyone is dancing. One of the parties is made up of neck-bearded incels, land whales, and 40-year old post wall crack whores. The other is made up of fit, healthy, strong men, and fit, healthy young women. They each post pictures of their parties on the 9,001 social media platforms periodically. Nobody joins the incel party, and a few of the incels, land whales, and crack whores leave the party. Meanwhile, more people join the Alpha-RP party, and it starts getting more awesome. The cycle repeats until about 2am when Blue-pilled party shuts down because everyone is too tired and nobody is there anymore. Meanwhile, Alpha-RP party is still going strong, and it looks like it'll continue on into the next day.
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red_philosopher 7y ago
I cannot, ever, experience the world the way you experience the world. That is fact. I am only aware of my own experiences, and thus can only be certain that I exist. Solipsism is the idea that I cannot prove anyone else other than myself exists. I must, therefore, assume that others do because I do.
Riiiight.
You do realize that a blue-pilled society must, by necessity, be comprised of many blue-pilled individuals in order to consistently and perversely advance the perpetuation of such thinking right? They are told these things by other blue-pillers because that's all the blue-pillers know.
This is an enhancement and support of RP tenets. It basically shouts from the rooftops that RP observations are correct
I don't think men really like being approached by women. It's frankly emasculating. Worse, BP men come up with reasons NOT to approach, the "buffers" of approach anxiety. Oddly, once they start approaching, they enjoy it.
Never met a woman that wasn't confirmed AWALT yet. Strong women are women that maximize their sexual success- not by riding the CC but by capitalizing on their health and attractiveness to get the genetics they want. That's AWALT. Women that ride the CC due to abortion and birth control, don't have to be discerning as they should be and fail their sexual objective.
Never said it was wrong.
Metaphor is lost on you isn't it?
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red_philosopher 7y ago
Just letting you know I didn't alter your quotes babe.
Revo_Luzione 7y ago
A woman is said to be "red-pilled" when she's consciously aware of both male and female sexual strategy. There are a few out there. I'm not sure it makes them inherently more valuable as a partner, but a all things being equal, a sexy feminine woman who is aware is probably going to be less of a headache in the long term than one who is not only unaware, but resists both becoming aware and the facts that lead one to becoming aware.
It's semantics, really, but understanding a woman's level of awareness in RP/BP terms serves as a handy heuristic to see how self-aware and socially observant a woman is, and able to transcend cultural and some biological programming. Most are not.
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red_philosopher 7y ago
I disagree.
You can't prove that someone has or hasn't internalized certain knowledge or beliefs. Whether they claim it or not is unimportant.
I'm falling for what exactly? The notion that women are fucking themselves over in droves the way men are? My bad.
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