The phrase “friend zone” is a concept currently owned and operated culturally by females. It is ostracized by males as a place to avoid at all cost. I would like to share a new perspective of diving head first into the ice blue waters of the friend zone to reveal that it can actually be a fruitful and refreshing sanctuary.
Start simple and befriend a couple. Learn to appreciate the friendship of both the male and female counterparts who have already chosen each other. You can avoid any awkwardness or assumption of interest by befriending both of them. This opens up new opportunities for work, hobbies, sports, or other shared interests. Befriending a couple can also double the network for social exploration because not only does the male have a group of trusted friends, so does the female. Now visualize this - this new couple befriends you and enjoys your company, you do activities together and you're the coolest new dude around and they’ve got a couple single friends they’d love to introduce you to. They’ve done the leg work for you. There’s no better approach than a recommendation.
Now, imagine the recommendation coming straight from a hot girl to another hot girl. That is the almighty coupon for 80% off an exclusive item. Pick and choose the rewards you’re willing to cash in within the dating game. Lets say you meet a prospect and there are a few reasons you don’t see it panning out. There are so many options we jump to. Hit it and quit it, smash and dash, move on, forget it, etc. All the typical catch phrase non-sense we stereotypically toss around with the boys at the bar. But what if you pulled a new move, the friend zone.
This concept only works if you actually find something you enjoy about this girl personality wise. Maybe she’s funny. Maybe she’s smart. Maybe she’s an athlete. Maybe she works for NASA. Whatever it is, find a reason about her that is worth a conversation. Still meet that girl for coffee, a drink, ask how her life’s going, invite her out with the friends. Bring her into the circle. Help her get a new job with a friend who owns a company or something. Be a good friend. Introduce her to a guy you think might actually click with her. The fact that you haven’t nexted her but have actually accepted her as a person will drive her wild. She very well still may want to get with you and may even come on stronger. At this point she may get a new haircut, start working out, change up her wardrobe and makeup game. Dang, she might even go up a couple notches. You can still pursue her if she has done all this work to get your approval, but if you decide it’s just not in your interest, keep her as a friend. This can go a few ways and if she begins to get jealous, do your best to diffuse it. If it works correctly, she will put you on a pedestal. There is nothing better than a recommendation from a girl who already loves you.
FR- one of my best friends in life is a straight HB10. She is a model in La. I’m one of the only guys in her life who has never given her a physical attribute compliment nor directly tried to get in her pants. She was in an LTR when we met and she literally wants me to get with her friends whether it’s casual or serious and has successfully set me up times before.

zyzzguido55 7y ago
This is most apparent in social circles. Let your friends do the work. You don't need to be creeping with circle game, and that's the best part
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Ananonguy88 7y ago
Nice in theory but if she's reallly hot and you don't get laid enough you just start turning into an orbiter. The worse if you develop oneitis and want to keep it friendzone for social circle and sentiment purposes. The fucking struggle. I use all my power and force to keep it platonic with my current friend zoned girl. We were friends before, then we started fucking, then she started hitting on other guys in my presence so I returned it to platonic again. I keep Harold hide the pain face in her presence, but I feel the burn constantly. She even tries to get intimate again but she did some shit moves and demoting is permanent as RP taught me. Maybe she should be just demoted to 0 contact, not sure.
zyzzguido55 7y ago
Keep smashing man. You holding the pain in is natural. You're learning. Soon you won't feel that pain
wheel_ 7y ago
Frame and abundance mentality are very important when staying in the friend zone, especially if such female friend is attractive.
Story time:
(TL;DR at the end)
Pre red-pill me, a couple of years ago I moved to the city where I live and I was acquaintances with this girl I had met the year before during one of my visits to the city. I enjoyed her company and she was real chill, so when I moved to the city, the plan was to become really good friends with her - which she was since she opened her arms to me as someone who just moved into town.
However, in the following months, between not sure what I wanted to do with my life and scarcity reality, I ended up falling for her (read: serious case of oneitis). I confessed to her and (unsurprisingly) she turned me down and gave me the "let's be friends". I didn't mind that. No big deal, things were still cool.
Because I still had oneitis and still wanted to be with her, I searched online for stuff on how to attract women. Then, poof... The Red Pill pops up. In the subsequent weeks, under the effect of the angry phase, I unintentionally made comments about her that I didn't think it was a big deal, but they were to her. From that point on, shit hit the fan in our circle of friends. I completely lost frame, tried to reach out to her to apologize so many times even after she up front told me she didn't want to talk to me anymore.
Long story short, the main girls in this social circle took her side without listening to my side of the story, so I ended up being ostracized. The funny part was that other people in the circle stayed cool with me so still invited me to hangouts, meaning that I still saw those people who were mad at me.
This entire situation made me feel so sad because I lost friends and, since I've moved between cities a lot, friendships are one of the most valuable things in my life.
TL;DR: A couple of years ago I was friends with this girl, but eventually caught oneitis. I confessed to her, she gave me the "let's just be friends", in the following weeks I unintentionally made comments that pissed her off and the main people in the social circle took her side, so I ended up ostracized.
Lessons learned if you're going to play the friend zone game (which does have its benefits):
MagicCharles 7y ago
I'd like to highlight the pejorative/entrapping nature of the "friendzone". It's not the "friendzone" if you're actually friends with her. you're friendzoned when you want her as a sexual partner and you let her extract ressources without offering sex in return.
tiffanyoiler_ 7y ago
Having an attractive female friend is essential in this age. Show them off whenever and however, females take notice and feel less threatened because you have women rapport. Women feed off each other so use it to your advantage.
inthenameofkek 7y ago
Black Pidgeon Speaks gives a good breakdown of female nature.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw
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wheel_ 7y ago
Winging, increasing your perceived SMV, introducing you to her friends, pre-selection, etc. There are plenty of reasons.
Stron2g 7y ago
Maybe not with a slut. OP is referring to women who have things going for them and can benefit you indirectly
empatheticapathetic 7y ago
I have a long term female friend. I’m basically a mix of orbiter, beta bux, girlfriend, and non sexual dominant partner. She helped me get my current job and I have done non committal favours for her in response.
She’s still AWALT. The more you give her without reciprocation the more she expects and more entitled she acts.
alpha-zach 7y ago
I suspect you’ll get a lot of flack over this post, but I agree with your premise.
I hold that it doesn’t matter what you say but how you say it. Same goes for this. Doesn’t matter what you do but how you do it.
I think your description over how to run “ friend zone game” is a bit cloudy, but you’re on the right track.
The problem will occur when guys that don’t “get it” get in the Friend zone and rationalize that they are running friend zone game. They’ll be stuck for a long time. But that’s their problem. Anyone the embraces TRP can see how this can be an effective tactic.
truedemocracy3 7y ago
Close opposite sex friendships where someone doesnt want more DO NOT exist. Don't find yourself falling for a friend either. Put her in the friendbox, or ignore.
printshopblues 7y ago
You can friend zone a large girl and chances are she has cute friends :)
I think you have to be like a salesperson and keep multiple irons in the fire... all with varying strategies... some are hookups, some are long-term, whatever.
All good either way.
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miller211 7y ago
Healthiest post I've read thx bro
Snowiceolated 7y ago
While I agree with OP, there are certain conditions to this. Deliberately putting a girl in the friend zone could cause her to start having feelings for you or make her realize those feelings already exist. Hooking up with her friends could cause jealously and do the same thing. The only 3 scenarios I think can mitigate this is
Outside of those scenarios this is like playing with fire IMO.
wheel_ 7y ago
Lmao or worse yet, it will cause you to start having feelings for her (read: oneitis). It happened to me and that's actually why I came across the red pill.
newName543456 7y ago
I'd rather be clearly platonically friendzoned than used for resources in sexless LTR.
Friendzone is not really bad at all once you have abundance mentality.
miller211 7y ago
It's not bad having all kinds of different friends you enjoy having around!
Sumsar01 7y ago
This have been my sister. I hate the crazy cunt and she's probably around a HB8. But to other people and their lizard brains IT just looks like im disgusted by a pretty hot girl.
daniael31 7y ago
Yup, this connects with social power plays, been wanting to post smt about it, and the fact there is not so much of posts regarding it. Lovely post, and true af. Will post as soon as I can, it is fairly connected.
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This rings very true with me. I keep a 10/10 exotic dancer as a friend, not necessarily for the sole purpose of smashing her friends, but also to observe and learn from her interactions - she gets invites and offers from very, VERY powerful people, and getting to see that part of the ecosystem will put you in prime position to understand real power in motion.
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There's no better wing man than a platonic female friend. The more attractive she is the better. Preselection is a powerful tool.
Nonstopas 7y ago
I only realised this once i got into a situation where my good friend developed a relationship with a girl that we both met one night. I actually planned on going for it myself, but he was the first one to message her. Anyway the relationship turned into us hanging out a lot together, at first i was thinking that i am the third wheel but now after reading this post i realized that i am in a good place since i have the benefits of having both a male and a female friends to rely on if i need it. I always went with the rule that men cant have female friends.
WholesomeAwesome 7y ago
For reference there was a post that dating recommendations are chosen for the benefit of the of the other, not you.
ReadyPlayer15 7y ago
Just to clarify, do u "friendzoned" her after you hook up, or do it immediately
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AuntieXhrist 7y ago
This forum sounds like Seinfeld meets Two n Half Men, so adolescent.
rooolng 7y ago
Two excellent shows! No wonder I like this place.