How life changed after growing muscles and getting bigger. A lesson for everyone swallowing the pill | TheRedPill

I’m 1.65m tall. Started seriously bulking from 54kg around january 2017. By the summer that year (June) I was slightly bigger but wasn’t that big of a deal; some people noticed it, but not much of a fuzz.

I kept bulking and excercising. People at home noticed it, but outside, I was getting bigger in a “concealed” fashion. A couple of weeks ago temperature went up so I started wearing t-shirts, and that’s when it all started.

I’m 70kg now. I’m not “shredded” but I’m not really fat either. Women look at me, at my biceps, at my chest, at my “abs” section, etc.

At work, three of my female coworkers suddenly started acting differently. The shorty, bitchy, bratty one started walking near me and getting closer without turning away, as she usually did (I called her out on her bitchiness a few times and she hated me for that ever since).

An hb5 post wall started laughing at anything I said and making tons of smiley eye contact out of the blue. In addition, she put her legs on a desk next to mine at least twice... come on :)

Another post wall hb5 with whom we always throw jabs at each other found an excuse, for the first time, to touch my traps in an a totally unlike-her fashion.

Another one started acting all nervous when I talked to her about usual work stuff, trying to avoid looking too much at me, trying to avoid making mistakes, etc.

And the guys... one of them (taller, thin, always “neat”) had started wearing t-shirts and stopped as soon as I wore mine. Unbelievable... another one (my height, fat, beard, nerdy, 42) kept looking at my body each time I was around.

I’m not bad looking but height and weight (thin) were really a problem. I was confident and arrogant but lacked everything else to back it up, and people eventually realized that. And now things have changed.

Men should stop pussying out and should go get bigger, stronger and grow a spine. If you had confidence, youl’ll get even more. If you lacked it, you’ll start getting it.

And the world around you won’t be a passive/active nightmare anymore :) thank you TRP!

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EventHorizonMeltdown 8y ago

Went from 50kg to 60. I'm a little taller than you. I still look thin and I'm much more happy with it. The bulky look isn't my priority right now. I look "proportionate". I would like to have a little bigger arms tho. Had a lot of compliments when people noticed the change but I'm too autistic to notice interest. Unless it's months later when somehow it clicks,but it's too late.

Zech4riah 8y ago

You could delete everything else and leave this sentence:

Men should stop pussying out and should go get bigger, stronger and grow a spine. If you had confidence, youl’ll get even more. If you lacked it, you’ll start getting it.

If you have enough confidence you won't be needing the size. I've said this many times and I say it once again:

Getting bigger (while staying at normal ranges) isn't the reason why people treat you differently. It's your increased self confidence which causes the change how people treat you.

Nex54 8y ago

Getting bigger (while staying at normal ranges) isn't the reason why people treat you differently. It's your increased self confidence which causes the change how people treat you.

I don't agree. Attractive people are treated differently, no matter how confident/insecure they are. For average people, it tips the scale in one direction or another.

Let's say you are the most confident guy in the world doing your thing on your everyday life. Do you really think bigger guys are gonna let you get away with being a small rock-star? They won't. The whole "haters are gonna hate" stems precisely from the conviction that others will just let you be :p One way or another, the fact you are small is gonna be used against you.

In my experience, people look for weaknesses in others, and being small/short is a weakness. You may have confidence, but you also have a weakness. You can play it smart and make it so others won't target you, but that won't make you "the best", just one of the bunch.

Be average or stand out, you can have it both ways.

Zech4riah 8y ago

We are talking about weight and height here.

I guess I should have emphasized the normal range a bit. If you don't belong to top 10% or bottom 10%, the change in your size doesn't matter too much.

Nex54 8y ago

I guess I should have emphasized the normal range a bit. If you don't belong to top 10% or bottom 10%, the change in your size doesn't matter too much.

Again, I don't think that's the case, but I may be wrong. Bottom or top 10% are just 20% of the population (really lucky or really screwed). We all tend to fall in the middle, and we already know the average guy is a loser beta buck that's waiting for life to happen to him.

From that point of view, change can have a significant effect. One of the women I talked in the post is my height and can always wears boots, so she's effectively taller than me. Last year she would have slept with me. Now, I'm pretty sure she would. What changed? It wasn't my confidence, it was the fact that I'm now bigger, more muscular, guys mess with me less, and other women pay more attention and are more attracted to me.

For example, consider elijah wood. Google a picture of him. He's like my height. would you think he's the kind of guy girls would usually be attracted to? Would you consider him... a man? He isn't.

This is the kind of guy girls settle with. He has money, and kind of "fame", and he's still a loser. Put him in the gym, smashing weights and bulking up, and you'd get a guy girls would fall for.

In the end, in my opinion, it's not about height or weight, it's about becoming a man. You could look like a child and be the most confident guy ever, and you'd still look like a child. Start pumping out testosterone and become a man, and things will change. but you can't do it with height, so you have to target other aspects, ie, your muslces.

Zech4riah 8y ago

You crawled out from bottom 10% in terms of size. Your experience is an exception so you can't make a rule of your experience.

We are talking about height and weight here (mostly weight). You try to blend in many other topics too.

Last year she would not have slept with me. Now, I'm pretty sure she would.

Did you approach and escalate her last year? If no, how do you know? Did you try to approach her now? If no, how do you know? (But Gz, this shows that your confidence has really improved).

Also:

I’m 70kg now. I’m not “shredded” but I’m not really fat either. Women look at me, at my biceps, at my chest, at my “abs” section, etc.

You may not be shredded or fat but most likely you are a bit chubby now because of that 16kgs maybe about 6kgs is muscle mass. This means your BF is probably near to 25% which starts to be a bit chubby.

Additionally: Now, where does this happen where women look at biceps, chest etc? I've been bulked up to ~108kg and now I'm shredded at ~91kg. I've never noticed girls looking at my "biceps", "chest" or "abs". The magic happens when girls see me naked when we are about to have sex. Usually after the sex they really take their time to look at me but when opening at DG or NG in public locations - nope. Another thing: Why I see no shredded/fit guys ever telling here how girls look at their bodies? - Well most likely because it rarely happens in public unless you are without a shirt at a park and in really good shape. When out of shape dude gets in the shape - it's more like that the women don't look away anymore filled with disgust and of course the guy thinks that now he is getting IOI's.

And don't get me wrong here. Great work and keep going but don't assume that you can make a rule out of your experience.

Winterknight82475125 8y ago

Just read through this comment chain. It souds like zechraiah is just trying to argue for his limitations. Ok dude. Dont lift, and dont eat right. More poon for me.

Zech4riah 8y ago

Yes, I've pretty much reached my natural limit. Can't get any more better shape without juices.

theselfmadealpha 8y ago

You know what I love about building muscles? It's hard. It's hard fucking work and there's no way around that. And that's why most guys don't have them. They want them, but they don't want to do the work. And while I always encourage men to eat right and lift weights, there's a part of me that's glad most of them don't - because it makes us guys that DO have muscles, even a little bit of muscle, look a million times more attractive to women.

Nex54 8y ago

Agreed with everything you said. Let them be the happy beta bucks who thin they can slam pussy by being "themselves" ;*)

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Nex54 8y ago

And you are 5'8! I'm 5'4-5'5 at the most, so you can imagine how pathetic I was when I weighed 115lbs and tried to act like the alpha dog lol

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I’ve found that creatine really does help build muscle as well. First of all, it’s totally safe. It’s been looked at in study after study and no negative effects have been found.

Second, it does not just make you look bigger by adding water weight. This may be an added effect for some people, but the main thing it does is increase your anaerobic output by saturating your muscles with phosphates. When you do anaerobic work your muscles break down ATP (three phosphate chain) into ADP (two phosphate chain). The ADP then must recombine with another phosphate before being useful again. Creatine helps this process, giving your muscles greater output, helping you lift more weight, helping you build more muscle.

Nex54 8y ago

I’ve found that creatine really does help build muscle as well

I've just eaten food until now, and I intend to keep other stuff out of the system unless I need to do otherwise for health reasons.

If it works for you, I'm happy! Just be careful not to mess your metabolism with stuff man! good luck

GGGfanboy 8y ago

Remember not to shit where you eat

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Nex54 8y ago

It depends on how tall you are

CommonPhilosopher 8y ago

Well if you are 170cm then yeah it's fine.

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You have every right to feel proud of yourself. Been lifting for 7 months and the only thing i regret is that i haven't done it sooner.

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AllahHatesFags 8y ago

I felt the same way when I started lifting, being pissed at myself for not committing to it earlier in life.

Bisuboy 8y ago

We humans like to focus on the bad things. Why not focus on the good things? Starting lifting 7 months ago is better than starting in 5 months. That's a full year of progress difference.

Flikxs 8y ago

I can relate. In high school I was not popular. Fell into weightlifting at 15 and was hooked. Went everyday. By my senior year I was all star tail back, on TV, in newspapers and on all of a sudden the honeys wanted to go to lunch with me and chill. This was my first introduction to hypergamy in 2001. I'm 34 now, I slayed a shit ton of tail in college and my twenties was full of dumb sluts from bars, Myspace, etc... I look very young for my age people say I look 26 which is good. And I've never stopped lifting. I'm currently 5'8 - 220lbs solid. I definitely understand the height disadvantage. But recently I've started leaning out and I've noticed I'm looking like I did in my college years but with and extra 40lbs of muscle. I wait tables in Newport beach California and work at a coed recovery center in Huntington Beach. Since cutting I've noticed women young and old looking and acting really girly around me. I've got a chick who aggressively suggests she wants to fuck. We've made out after work. And the young honeys just look better and better. I mean, I love how the older I get the 20 something chicks just look better and better. Like some ripe cherries. I love the fact I pulled out and avoided knocking some broad up. I feel I'm gonna go on a spree of some of the best pussy I've ever had once I hit 200lbs. I definitely suggest bulking in the gym if your shorter. Taller guys have it made but a woman wants to feel feminine and muscle helps her feel protected. It turns em on.

12wangsinahumansuit 8y ago

I'm in 12th grade. I started lifting at the beginning of this year. I remember back in 9th grade when a teacher would have the desks arranged in clusters for group work or whatever I'd sit at my own cluster at the beginning of class and have it to myself for the whole period.

About a week ago the same thing happened. Desks that were normally arranged in rows were in groups of 5. My friends in that class were all skipping that day so I sat at the empty desk cluster closest to the door. By the end of the class there were 4 girls sitting with me. Two of them asked me to decide who I had a "deeper connection" with. I may not be getting laid every other day but I'm still glad I found trp this early in life.

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Whisper Vanguard 8y ago

I may not be getting laid every other day but I'm still glad I found trp this early in life.

You will be. This is how it starts. The small successes bring the confidence you need for the big ones.

azhiker 8y ago

I'm so happy for you. I'll never get to use a time machine to right myself but I feel so hopeful reading about youngins such as yourself. PM me if you'd like a longer response but if not, know that self assessment and commensurate action is a superpower.

cruzbmx 8y ago

boy will college will be fun for udude. found trp around junior year of highschool. I never got social validation, so I didn’t find out I was good looking until I got to college, started working out, and people wanted to get to know me. Left highschool a virgin, but was 5 deep by the end of first semester. Keep lifting, helps the mindset, and that’s everything. It was definitely a blessing to have the sub

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chinese-bible 8y ago

Nothing cool or 'alpha' about this.

I don't think it's cool (or necessarily immoral, that's more on the girls). But I think he's trying to illuminate female loyalty, or lack thereof, in behavior.

Goes back to college at 33 to have other people do his homework.

Yeah that is quite lame. What's the point? Just get the degree? Women are doing his math homework? (no offense there are some brilliant ones but -- it makes you sound like a nincompoop)

MTNSC1 8y ago

I thought the same thing.....a 33yo man goes back to college and does something that a 15yo does in middle school? I might even see that coming from a 20y0 frat boy bragging over a keg at the Friday social but a 33yo man who has fucked his life enough so far that he is nearly 33yo going back to get an undergrad degree?

Come on people have some semblance of awareness when you are being trolled.

Yeah....r\thatistotallyhappening.

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greenlittleman 8y ago

Biologically main sexual strategy of alpha is fucking a lot of different girls and then leave parental care to betas. So by definition this is actually alpha behaviour. And this is most efficient reproductive strategy - you can have unlimited amount of your kids (i.e. genes) without using your precious resources. And moreover you also can help raising your own kids from your favourite woman at the same time. Of course now with complex social structure and DNA-testes there are a lot of downsides to "fuck all girls, betas will raise your kids anyway", but biology is biology.

As about homework - there are a lot of more important things to do than this bs if you just need to get the degree.

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If it wasn’t for child support laws & the family court cartel, this would be my preferred strategy to spread my seed now that I’m single.

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precisionclear 8y ago

Can you give examples of how they hamstered cheating? It would be interesting to know.

Nex54 8y ago

It’s about feelings, not rationality. Imagine yourself jerking off: once you are really horny, you can fantasize about anything and it’ll do the trick.

If a woman gets the feels, she’ll ride your dick and won’t be thinking abour right or wrong. The bulging dick in her pussy is all that matters at that point.

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rcwhitaker 8y ago

I've had gf's in the past and i've always been pretty well convinced they were faithful. I got a big dick, i'm kinda tall, somewhat built, somewhat lean, somewhat goodlooking and the sex was always prime with them, thats why we kept at it.. but i read shit like this and can't help but become incredulous.

I left the first because i had cheated on her a bunch of times and it was getting to be too much, the second one i didnt cheat on, kind of as a proof to myself that i was capable of monogamy, but then caught her in a lie (not that bad but not trivial) and left her. Just cant take that shit knowing what i do.

KingRead 8y ago

She kept calling me cute, telling me she hated me, and how people are so superficial only going for looks (she's talking about herself)..

She pretty much painted me as, 'that hot guy from the bar' that she only fucked because i looked good..

Inb4 it didn't mean anything, she didn't even love me

12wangsinahumansuit 8y ago

I read the first few sentences under the impression that you were talking about going to High School and I was a bit concerned. I don't plan on getting laid until I'm in college, but it's still amazing to see what a bit of muscle and confidence can get you. For me, the amount of female attention I've been getting lately is surreal

lifeisweirdasfuck 8y ago

This is what I'm doing too. Got no time to chase girls. Got no time to go out and build social circles. I'm so focused on finishing high school and lifting/looksmaxing and improving myself. I was a total nerd at 14 (i'm now 18), probably a 3.5/10 in term of looks. I'm now a 6-6.5/10. I had like 3-4 friends and never talked to a girl. Now, even if I'm still a virgin, I can tell I improved so fucking much. I've approached like 50 girls and every time learnt something new about game. You won't succeed without failing first. Last time I played a videogame or switched the tv on it was like 7 months ago. Got no time for that useless shit. 95% of people are doing that. Be the other 5% who indeed has success in life.

barachoochoo 8y ago

Dude. I love you so much right now

unsolicitedcoonery 8y ago

Female attention means nothing unless its getting you laid

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ss3kidgoku 8y ago

“I’m not f*cking. Sometimes it’s better knowing you can” - Joe Budden

DownvotesOnlyDamnIt 8y ago

I suggest reading the sidebar again and re-swallow the pill. You are losing sight of the true goal which is to be true to yourself. If all you think about is getting laid = worthy of attention, then you are not ready

12wangsinahumansuit 8y ago

At this moment in my life the risks and logistical issues that would come with getting laid far outweigh the benefits. I'd rather focus on developing my smv for the future rather than fuck around and risk getting someone pregnant or getting an std.

mattizie 8y ago

You only get one shot at HS mate. If you're under 18, go for it. In HS you can do almost anything and it won't really matter. There was a cunt who threw a fucking chair at someone in HS, a weeks suspension, and it was like nothing ever happened, try that in Uni or the workplace lol.

I'm not saying to throw a chair at anyone. But don't hold back, any embarrassment or ostracism will be short lived, and unless you live in the same town, you'll probably never seen them again in your life (reunions excluded)

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Chaddeus_Rex 8y ago

May your lifts be heavy and your form be true.

May all the swolemaidens swolest you further with their large eyes and even swoleier hands.

Wheymen!

DanzNewty 8y ago

My entire life I looked down on well built guys as having insecurity issues and low self confidence who have to make up for it by spending all of their free time in the gym. That girls didn't take them seriously anyway. I realise now that I was just a jealous, lazy fool.

Nex54 8y ago

The funny thing is you don’t even need to spend all your free time in the gym. I train three days a week, and I got my gym at home, so I maximize my free time.

Tdemps01 8y ago

I am 6'3 and 250lb. lean and look like i lift with or without a shirt. i recently moved to toronto from australia and the comments when i get here are much more noticeable from guys and girls. whether its from work colleagues, the randoms on a night out or on the street at daytime to my barber telling me he wants to looks like me lol

pdiggs1500 8y ago

Right on.!!

I'm a bit of the opposite. Started out as a fatty,...well I'm still fat, but no longer obese...and I'm lifting the fat away. Within 2 months, my body has begun to recomp, and I'm beginning to get those female looks/comments at work.

TRP and Lifting. I wish I knew this combo 20 years ago!

Nihev 8y ago

Heh I'm 6'1 and 200 lbs and don't feel big at all.

willowhawk 8y ago

Bigarexia man. One of my friends is 6ft2 200lbs. Guys the biggest in the room 9 times out of 10

warburgio 8y ago

i'm 6'0 and 230. Nor feeling big yet either.

Gaius_Octavius 8y ago

Then you are probably at a higher bf % than you think. Having been 230 and lean (albeit an inch shorter) I felt huge. No, I was huge and people definitely took note.

warburgio 8y ago

PPL told me i got way bigger and am veiny when i visited motherland. I believe its a self-image issue.

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Gaius_Octavius 8y ago

A little too big for comfort actually. Only time I've ever felt stereotyped because of my appearance. I don't think I have any pictures from that cycle accessible(yes, of course I was on something) but here's a video of me at around 222lbs and a similar leanness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZIIebKny40

abnegavalence 8y ago

What was your starting weight?

Gaius_Octavius 8y ago

Starting weight? As in before I started lifting or something else?

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Fedor_Gavnyukov 8y ago

damn bro you were skinny. good for you. keep building mass. get to 85kg you'll be a beast

Nex54 8y ago

I’ll keep bulking until I feel like I’m too fat, then I’ll cut.

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as a fellow manlet, be happy for our illusion of quicker growth.

Cheers! Good shit.

Yabadababoobs 8y ago

As a fellow manlet, I feel like nothing has changed after two weeks of lifting, I dont even have adonises yet. Also I didn't get sore after the third work out. Maybe I'm not using enough weight.

LeftHello 8y ago

Not necessarily more weight, but more reps. Are you going to failure every set? A common noob problem is "saving some" for the next set. Your body only grows when you overload it.

Da_llluminati 8y ago

lots of broscience here. do not go to failure on every set, not if you're natural. the body ONLY grows when you give the muscles stimulation followed by recuperation.

LeftHello 8y ago

Obviously you go to failure then do a rest period for a period of time (1 to a few minutes). It's not like you go to failure then just like immediately do more crap.

Da_llluminati 8y ago

OR you go to failure once a month and still grow because failure is not neccessary for hypertrophy

LeftHello 8y ago

I really think we mean different things when we say 'failure'. I simply mean when you do say, 12 reps and you absolutely can't do another one without stopping and resting (even if that rest is only a few seconds).

As opposed to saying, "I can do 12, but I'm only going to do 10 because otherwise how am I going to get to my 10 reps for the other two sets?"

I'm talking about failure in a very short time frame, not like, a workout where you literally can't move at all at the end.

Da_llluminati 8y ago

yep, that's failure. it's still not a must.

I'll say somethinge else, but I won't make it overlong.

a lot of bodybuilders act like they hate their bodies. they "destroy" their muscles, they "bomb" them, annihilate, whatever.

this mentality will surely bleed into the mainstream weightlifting world. however it is not the optimal mentality to have.

love yourself, love your body. leave 2 reps in the tank. going full on failure does not bring anything but injury.

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Don't even focus on form; just strap 2000 pounds of deads and go straight for it.

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demshter 8y ago

You stop getting sore, that's normal.

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Bigsammy610 8y ago

I can totally attest to this. My conundrum is I'm pretty damn huge to the point where I feel like it's kind of become my identity of sorts. I train hard and push my body because I love it and I could care less what people think about me. But with much muscle comes much responsibility I guess

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broscientologist 8y ago

And with these gains come great responsibility

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Nex54 8y ago

I know, so many post walls must now be made “full” :)

Seriously, I know it’s not all looks in the end, but it’s really exciting when you realize you have the power to wet so many women, even if they are not hb9 or hb10.

Dawaggon 8y ago

Over the course of 5 years I've went from fat ass to being accused of juicing a bit. The change in how you're looked at can't be overstated. I'm taken more seriously now.

precisionclear 8y ago

Can you still look big without using steroids? I've seen videos of "natural " body builders who'd been working out for a decade. Could barely tell if they had a long sleeve shirt on.

ColonelMitche1 8y ago

You can look good, but our perception has been skewered by prolific juicing

Veretox 8y ago

Yea, like athlean for example

uebermacht 8y ago

Respect bro!
Pure motivation!! :)

Two_kids_in_a_coat 8y ago

It’s the best feeling when you get rewarded for your hard work and dedication. Good job.

stylesm11 8y ago

Can i ask how you bulk without getting fat? I have been told i am going to have to pick up bulking and cutting cycles to stop from plateauing

Dabunghole 8y ago

Read up on how bodybuilders bulk up. The rest is crap.

Dawaggon 8y ago

Clean diet
A REASONABLE caloric surplus based on how active your lifestyle is.

shrimpeye 8y ago

take your sweet time with the bulk. figure out what calories your body needs to maintain (google that) then eat at a surplus of 200 - 500 calories a day.

people get fat by massively over eating. it's just easier to just cram a shit ton of food in your gob rather than measuring what you're eating precisely. I still struggle with counting daily, but it's worth it

mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 8y ago

Try to keep fat at 25% of your total daily calories and aim to gain no more than 0.25-0.5 pounds a week.

Eat Clean.

If you want to cycle in more fat on rest days at the expense of carbs(The Martin Berkhan approach/Lean Gains) that's fine.

Nex54 8y ago

Don’t go overboard with your calories and be patient. For example, I’m at 2300 currently. Small gains, but constant.

stylesm11 8y ago

What about the cardio?cut out completely?

Nex54 8y ago

In my case? Yes. I walk everyday, do the stairs, and lift, so I settled for that. Once I get to my target weight (80?), I’ll cut and may start doing cardio.

I’m putting mass for the first time in my life, so I’m skipping cardio. I used to run in the past, but there was no muscle gain.

jamaicanmecrzy 8y ago

Can absolutely vouch for this. Pretty ugly, was at one point 125lbs. Up to 140 now and the way people act around me has definitely changed and women are far more responsive and notice me now

carvedouttastone 8y ago

some of you guys are pretty delusional thinking that at 154 pounds anyone is noticing your "gains". OP, I'm the same height and outweigh you by almost 50 pounds and I'm still far from what could be deemed "impressive" or noticeably big. Lift if it makes you feel good, because "feeling good" is what's attracting you attention and compliments. But don't confuse gaining muscle as a large factor in what is attractive to females.

Nex54 8y ago

Ok, maybe you are running with the wrong crowd or have other issues making you feel bad.

My arms are noticeable compared to my body and girls keep looking at them. Girls who are shorter fixate on my pecs when I walk by, and when they are seated and I’m standing next to them, they keep looking at my abs.

By the way, 200 pounds at that height is kind of too much lol. Maybe you are fat?

carvedouttastone 8y ago

yeah, I'm sure they hand our Arnold Classic amateur titles to fat people. ???? Maybe you're a little full of yourself and girls are really thinking "what a douche" as you strut around thinking you're the cock of the walk. I'm imagining a 154lb wannabe swinging his dick around the gym with arms akimbo, lats locked out in an eternal struggle against the tight lycra of your XXS Body Glove compression shirt. Show a little humility. It's why I hate these fuckn threads. Enough tools in gyms already without attracting even more delusional Zyzz cunt wannabes.

Winterknight82475125 8y ago

If you're so good, why even bother posting? It should be beneath you right? I think you should take a lesson in social skills, because you sound like the kinda guy I would never want to hang out with.

Men calls those people assholes.

Nex54 8y ago

Yeah, the girl rubbing her breasts against me is really disgusted and is trying to push me away xD

Btw, if you haven’t noticed already, humility will really help you get over your insecurities. Good luck ;)

S-Blaze 8y ago

Well if you're bulky but fat you won't be impressive unless you pack the height with it. I'm at 75kg and I do look pretty impressive with the right cloths, big traps, good shoulders, good pecs, good arms, thin waist, good legs. Getting a good shred and bigger, height 1,75m. I don't strut around for attention and I get plenty. Defined muscles are a large factor.

carvedouttastone 8y ago

this is what I'm talking about; at 5'9 and 75kg, you're emaciated, not built.

S-Blaze 8y ago

No i'm built and getting there my bf is just low, I just got back into it a month ago. Once I pack another 10-15 lbs max of clean mass (checked my current it is 170 lbs) i'll be gold for my height. Weight doesn't mean much, it's how you look unless you wrestle or specialize in that kind of fighting.

Fedor_Gavnyukov 8y ago

i agree 154 is still not big, but the dude went from 120.. so you gotta give him some credit

carvedouttastone 8y ago

I give anyone credit for self improvement and gaining results. I'll even gladly help them go the next step and minimise the learning curve. I just can't stand the self aggrandising mentality that promotes the wrong message to others. There's so many laugh out loud comments on this thread, I feel like printing them out onto a foldable A4 that I keep in my wallet to remind me during that bad times that at least I'm not the saddest cunt out there.

Fedor_Gavnyukov 8y ago

what i'm saying is that from 120 to 155 is a big difference in weight and if he's talking about his coworkers that obviously saw him at his skinny ass weight, they'll notice the difference so they're giving him the attention. granted, if he showed up at a club in my city, he'd most likely go unnoticed, but he's still making gains

Nex54 8y ago

I just can't stand the self aggrandising mentality that promotes the wrong message to others.

Stop being so passive in your life and start kicking ass. Nobody will respect you if you keep asking for permission to have a “self aggrandising mentality” xD

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radicalizedIncel 8y ago

As someone who's been lifting for five years and who was shredded until like 6 months ago... my experience has been completely different. Guys ask me for exercise advice all the time, but no girl ever gave a shit even slightly about my muscles. They never checked me out, let alone complimented me.

I’m not bad looking

Men should stop pussying out and should go get bigger, stronger and grow a spine.

Men who aren't bad looking should do all that. Some men are just wasting time in the gym if their bottleneck is elsewhere. Like if they're ugly.

Ugly + muscles = uglier

Nex54 8y ago

Yeah, I have to agree I haven’t been dealt the “ugly” card. However, statistically speaking, “truly ugly” guys aren’t probably all that common. Most guys look uglier because of other issues, not genetics.

boy_golden1 8y ago

I agree. Back when I was still a skinny dude, people often disrespects me, talks shit on my shortcomings. When I got bulkier, no one even dared insult me anymore. IOIs from girls were frequent and I got massive confidence overall

HumbleRedPillStudent 8y ago

I have been lifting for 1.5 years, 6 days a week, for 1.5-2hrs a day.

4s and 5s now hit on me, and I sometimes catch 6s and maybe 7s checking me out.

It hasn't necessarily changed how much I get laid-- 6s and 7s still aren't making it easy. It might be that I'll always be pale and bald no matter how big I get; It could be that I still need to lift more; but most likely it's a moderate absence of flawless frame control and superior game.

I'm glad that things are changing for you, OP. Remember to act like the prize that women are starting to see you as :)

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[deleted] 8y ago

Repetitive but we need the reps. If you're not built, you're missing out. We talk about Anger Phase a lot here.... I think I'm with the OP in Wonder Phase. We all hear about lifting...... it's just so fucking true. The change is just drastic. It's hard to describe.... or overstate.

greenlittleman 8y ago

It is really depends on the country. In Russia where I living amount of guys with muscles is high - almost 1/3 guys here either lift or learn martial arts in some form, or just train their body with regular workouts. But in western countries where a lot of guys don't do any physical activity at all and women are more interested in looks (because of social conditioning mostly) I understand why it could be so effective.

pigvomit420 8y ago

I’m very new here and mostly reading posts and working my way through the sidebar. I haven’t run into the literature about anger phase etc although I’ve seen it referenced a bit. Where can I find the stages and what they mean? I’m pretty sure I’m in the anger phase. I’m 35, divorced, and my opinion of women isn’t very high at the moment.

lemonman456 8y ago

It's just a ripoff of the five stages of grief. You have a bunch of young guys here that are super bitter towards women. The anger stage posts are filled with hatred for women just because women are a bit different from men.

I see a few common trends with the anger stage guys that all stem from putting women on a pedestal and then learning that women aren't perfect.

Getting upset that women prefer high status, physically good looking, confident and charming men.
Getting upset that women won't be their sex-slaves/mothers. Guys that demand a women will love them no matter what, clean up after them, and fuck them all the time.
Worshipping men and saying women are garbage. They paint all men as honorable leaders and all women as sneaky manipulators out to ruin everything and everyone they come in contact with.

I think the mods need to start banning posts that do these things, because it turns into a MGTOW circle-jerk. If you want to be successful with beautiful women, give the women what they want. A bunch of the posts here are from fat, ugly, boring guys that think they deserve a harem of super models.

jihocech 8y ago

Fat, ugly, boring guys did not think they deserve a harem of super models, the think they deserve "the one". There is a difference between "monk mode" and MGTOW. Caterpilla needs time to turn into a butterfly, AFC needs time to turn into much better version of himself.

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universalabundance1 8y ago

Good for you, niggah! I am glad to hear of your improved physique and improved life! There is more to come for you, baby! ;) Keep up the discipline! :)

RedPillAlphaBigCock 8y ago

What the hell - Rule 1 works?

YES - If you are reading this and not lifting - FUCKING LIFT

Great work sir.

swordshab 8y ago

Doesn’t sound like you are getting an puss tho

daniael31 8y ago

Good reminder to everyone. Wanna get girls ? Look good. Wanna look good ? Lift, groom, style it up.

WorkThrowAway125 8y ago

You have followed the ways of Brodin and been shown the light.

Travel well on the iron path.

Wheymen

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MrH0rseman 8y ago

Yesterday i was having a dinner with my smoke buddy (she is in a long distance relationship) told me that you look little bigger and wide shoulders (lifting, 7 months) and touched it.

After that when we were heading to some place, i was texting someone on a dating app and she got angry.

Threw a couple of shit test and asked me to show the messages. I didn’t but she insisted that I don’t want to read, just want to see. There were messages with more than 5-6 lines, back and fourth and here comes the tantrum.

She: Are you guys writing poems to each other? Me: No, why? This is normal conversation to me. She: Then why are you replying me with single line/words? Me: I’m dating her, not you, you’re just a friend.

I enjoyed that smirk on my face.

rad_dynamic 8y ago

Shh. You're telling everyone the BEST and EASIEST way to get girls. At this rate everyone's going to go to the gym and being big wont get you an advantage!

Haha, in all seriousness, it should be obvious to anyone. Lift god damn it. I'm only a couple months in, but I have had such a huge confidence boost because of it in the space of just 4 months. My friend who's being going at it almost three years now, gets so many IOIs from girls it's ridiculous, if only he wasn't awkward with girls he'd be swimming in pussy.

-PmMeImLonely- 8y ago

I’m literally that height and it makes me insecure af. I don’t do lifting as I find it a bit embarrassing to enter a gym, but I do calisthenics/bodyweightfitness and home workouts

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Started a new job. Got called muscles the first few weeks. Even though I’m 6’ 175lbs, 10-12% BF. So I’m lean and ripped but not huge by any means. Girls definitely mire and a few take any chance they can to get touchy with me. Back mainly. Working out will change your life.

youngzari 8y ago

What are your tips for cutting fat? I'm about the same as yourself, 6'2, a bit heavier at 195 pounds. I'm bulky but I'm trying to get ripped/lean. Any tips? Also how to determine your BF?

no92 8y ago

In my research the dexa scan is the best way to tell actual body fat percentage, as long as you use it both times for comparison with similar hydration.

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Weight loss is determined by a highly complicated formula.

[Calories in] - [Calories out] = Weight Change

[deleted] 8y ago

Mirror is the best determination. I got a dunk tank test done. Calipers are supposed to be #1 next to DEXA scan. Eat clean Whole Foods, track calories, weigh food, eat at slight deficit, increase cardio.

I’ve always been skinny/lean. Bulking is the hard part for me.

jekporkins77 8y ago

I’m in high school, I went from 5’8 120 my freshman year to 5’10 180 my senior year. Even went to nationals for powerlifting. Still haven’t got a lot more attention. Am I doing something wrong?

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It’s just one piece of the puzzle. I was always fit in high school and I didn’t get shit.

[deleted] 8y ago

Could be your environment as well. I live in a area where 2 out of 3 adults are labeled overweight according to the state. Beautiful women are far & few between.

Unless you like fat girls......

ftdrain 8y ago

You can't be too ugly, a gnome, or too good looking ( think Leo Dicaprio) if you are either one of those, lifting won't help you that much, but it's a major game changer for below average to decent looking dudes.

MarcosDomingues 8y ago

No you didnt do anything wrong believe me. People tend to exaggerate their stories when it comes to fitness transformations. Sure you'll get some compliments, maybe some chicks eyeing you but that's pretty much it. If you dont approach people or go out frequently, like me, your muscles are not going to change that.

jekporkins77 8y ago

That’s true. Some guys get so obsessed with the gym they have the perfect body yet refuse to do anything that might hurt their precious bodybuilding and they end up being so awkward or antisocial

anabolic92 8y ago

This again, comes the big confusion of TRP regarding lifting.

Lifting is good to create an habit, to see results of your own effort, create discipline.

If you read OPs thread you can clearly see that he's only talking about the benefits he gets from external people, men and women, most of the time.

Lifting doesn't actually has to mean more women attraction/attention.

Ontopsoon 8y ago

You could be high body fat %, not wearing fitting clothing, or not be carrying yourself correctly (good posture, confident demeanor)

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spirot 8y ago

if you're a powerlifter you might be fat

Andgelyo 8y ago

I doubt he's fat, when I was 180 5'9 i was getting massive IOIs from everyone. I had the explosive athletic look going on. He probably needs to fix his hair and wear v neck shirts.

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1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago

Am I doing something wrong?

In the last 2 months, how many girls have you approached and from that, how many numbers did you get, and from that, how many have you asked out, and from that, how many have you taken out?

If your answers are: 0,0,0,0 then yes, you are not doing something right.

ftdrain 8y ago

if his SMV is high enough he doesnt need to approach, last 10+ girls I've been with just came after me hard ( I don't move an inch to go after because I have a gf)

jekporkins77 8y ago

How do I even go about approaching them and getting numbers?

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1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago

I can reply tomorrow with some easy tips.

aznredpill 8y ago

Dont let lil nigga down boi

1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v 8y ago

The observational opener is the easiest way to approach anybody, its easy and low risk. You observe something unique or interesting about her, something she is holding, wearing or doing, you compliment or comment on it, and you ask her about it. Like this:

First, make solid eye contact, smile or smirk, and say "Hey... I love that cute leather jacket... where did you get it?" or

"hey... I fucking love your hair color... do you dye it yourself?"

"OMG... you are wearing all purple... I love purple... but I am not sure I could pull it off like you, only wearing purple ya know... Is purple your favorite color?"

The goal is to observe, make eye contact, smile, and say something... anything really... what you say is less important then how you say it.

Since I am a bold-ass give no shits mother fucker (grandma fucker too), I especially like this next one and use it often:

"hey... I've seen you around (campus) a few times now, so I wanted to come over and say hi... what is your name?"

Again, solid eye contact, a genuine smile or smirk, and you are 75% where you need to be.

These openers work anywhere and everywhere, day or night.

Now, if you also have problems on what to say after she answers you, then I suggest you take a step back and just learn to talk to all people:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People

Read that book 10-15 times until you know all the strategies.

Let me know if you need more info or tips.

aznredpill 8y ago

Wrong guy. Reply to the other message

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Nex54 8y ago

Could be the environment (high school), the way you look (bf %, powerlifting, etc) or something else.

Wait until you get out of high school, and you’ll see :)

One more thing, I was a confident, little arrogant jerk at times, but I was small and weird. Now I’m stronger, more imposing, and the same things that made me look pathetic now make me look good.

It’s not just the body, it’s your attitude, confidence, etc.

blacklightsleaze 8y ago

Good for you that you already had confidence and cockiness. I started from low point in both aspects confidence and fitness. And after I gained the muscle my confidence came.

The awe usually comes from people who used to know me as skinny guy and it feels good. At my old job me coworkers and my boss started to act a little bit differently. I felt in the past that they somehow looked down on my, but after I got buffed they started to back up and agree with me when we argued about stuff.

And agree the environment definitely matter. In gym I look average compared to other guys I go with, but compared to my ex skinny fat coworkers who never lifted I look definitely above average.

And the girls... they love confidence and muscles.

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Livecrazyjoe 8y ago

I noticed the guy thing. Its weird getting the up and down stare from a hetero guy. I have large traps too so its one of those things that makes a presence for sure. Ill be walking behind someone and they sense me and stop to let me walk past them instead of me in back.

Lift people lift.

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I get opened by people like 10x a day.

Chicks STARE, chase, grope and stalk me.

That's like year one.

I used to be scared to talk to chicks. Now after a year chicks are either scared AF to talk to me or go (mildly) psycho.

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Finessence 8y ago

I signed up for a half Marathon that’s coming up June 3rd and I lost all my gains that I was making over the winter because I couldn’t lift and keep up with my running training schedule so I’m excited for it to be over so I can get back into lifting.

[deleted] 8y ago

Dude, seriously? You can't lift one day per week for maintenance?

Finessence 8y ago

I did for a while but I wasn’t maintaining and the little mass id accumulated over the last couple months all dwindled so it wasn’t really worth it.

[deleted] 8y ago

That sucks. I'm pretty protective of my gains....i do run, but only 3, 2.5 mile runs per week.

Finessence 8y ago

Yeah. I run four times a week at over 20 miles a week so it’s a lot harder to keep up and I just got too busy to be in the gym and lift for next to no gains.

Veretox 8y ago

shit, I love running, and I'm afraid of nothing, but that thing you described - scares me !

amekooky 8y ago

This is so damn, true...... the problem is everyone wants 6 second abs but many cant even put in 6 months of hard work.

I cant tell you how many people are shocked at my quick body recomp from 240 to 180 that began January (and still going) which included maintaining a large portion of muscle mass.

its polarizing to see how much both externally people respect you when you are fit and muscular, and how it affects you internally with self esteem and confidence.

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Nex54 8y ago

I’ve spent almost 10 years convincing myself that going to the gym was for insecure pussies and my pathetic life would one day turn around by magic. So yeah, I’m glad to shame my old me :)

boredepression 8y ago

I'm at the same place this summer. Used to wear 48 pant and xxl shirt. Now wear 40pant and L shirt and my muscles buldge in arms chest traps shoulders. Ladies look ALL the time. Thanks to TRP and nSuns and keto.

Current Lift stats, still increasing almost weekly: bench 285#, overhead press 235#, squat 295#, deadlift 305#. Squat and deadlift low due to not working them much in the first 6months of working out, but have increased rapidly in past year.

naesos 8y ago

Truth fam don’t let the gains goblins get you

Unrealenting 8y ago

Though I walk through the valley of swole-shaming, I will fear no gainz goblinz, for Brodin is with me. Whey-men.

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germancarfan 8y ago

ALL my friends began lifting at like 17. I didn't start til I was 24. They all have been getting girls, having fun at day clubs in Vegas and shit for years now, while I was the 130 lbs 6' guy that was too embarrassed to go to any pool party because I was so skinny.

I was also scared of going to the gym for a long long time because I don't know what I was doing and felt like people would laugh at me. Now I weight 164 lbs at about 14% BF and I feel so much better mentally, let alone physically.