With my background in background in Chemistry/Physics/Psych and after i get thru med school, I am going to write out my theories on the fundamental laws of the universe and how they transcend all aspects of nature.

Something along the lines of building a strong frame (mental domain/headspace) is like the psychological equivalent of increasing one's mass, which in turn, increases ones gravitational pull on objects (people).

It's all interconnected in this God of a Matrix we move thru

Great post

It's a great metaphor to think of reality as an image and we all put out own Frame around it. I did a longer write up of the concept of Frame and how to foster it for yourself: https://alphajedi.com/2017/01/29/your-frame-is-your-life/

I like where you're coming from but having immense frame control means you don't enter other people's frame - it doesn't mean you are magically able to force them into yours.

Take Trump for example. Motherfucker has the strongest frame you'll ever see - undentable - yet he's probably the most hated person currently alive today. He's absolutely convinced of his own greatness. He ran for President and truly believed he'd win - and he did! But just because he believed it doesn't mean the whole world suddenly did. So I'll repeat that again. Frame control means you don't fall into others - it does not mean you magically force others into yours.

Work on your frame so you can't get brought down. But don't do it because you think you can use it to control others' perception of you. That is a complete fantasy.

Amazing.

I always struggled to find a clear definition of frame, but this is pretty good.

This is a very good post. Gives more perspective on frame.

I have been having trouble with frame, especially from my old peer groups. Any thoughts on maintaining frame with an old peer group that gets defensive when you are holding frame.

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"...Now this ambition demanded above all that their work attain the highest excellence in their own eyes as they understood excellence, without consideration for any prevailing taste or public opinion concerning excellence in a work of art. Thus Aeschylus and Euripedes remained unsuccessful for a long time, until they had finally educated judges of art who appraised their work by the standards they themselves applied. Thus they strove for a triumph over their rivals in their own estimation, before their own seat of judgment; they really wanted to be more excellent; and then they demanded outside agreement with their own estimation, a confirmation of their own judgment. Striving for honor here means, 'making onesel superior and also wishing to appear so publicly.' If the first is lacking and the second is desired nevertheless, then one speaks of vanity. If the second is lacking and is not missed, then one speaks of pride."

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Been a lurker for 2 years, and this has to be the best definition of Frame I've seen here. I guess sometimes it's best to go back to the origin and roots for understanding.

This isn’t rocket science.

Just like every pilot knows, “Trust your instruments, because they’re the only thing keeping you alive.”

Framing comes from psychology in general. Influence by Cialdinhi is the go to book for this subject.

interesting interpretation. coming from a psychology background this is a very grounded statement. your thoughts definitely influence and create your reality. if youre stuck in a low, negative mindset your outward reality will reflect that.

owning mind body and spirit and utilizing them to their full potential are the keys to success in this reality. RP values and spin on it or not, being the master of your own reality should be a goal everyone is working towards here

Quick question OP. Wouldn't it be better if we didn't interpret the reality as negative ("This person is way above me and probably has no interest in talking to me") or positive ("I'm a cool person with interesting things to say and I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks about me") and just see the world as it is, in a objective way ( "The other person can be interested or not to talk to me" or " I am who I am, and what others think of me is their opinion and it doesen't concern me")? Because if we see the world in a objective way our "frame" would be unbeatable, as a result of the nature of reality.

Yeah, you understand what a frame. Though it's not applied like that in reality. In reality, the stronger frame wins.

Thanks OP. That is hands-down the most concise, accurate, and clear explanation for what "frame" really is.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from two different ways to see it.

If "frame" is one person's "interpretation of reality", then two people interacting have two different frames. Since people interacting tend to influence each other more or less consciously, at some point one of those frames "wins" and the "loser" adopts the winner's frame.

The other way to understand it is that people have different "perspectives" competing for the frame, this time defined as the "agreed common perspective".

The two understandings are equivalent but cannot be used at the same time, for "two frames competing to be the frame" doesn't make sense.

When people say "maintain your frame", "keep your frame", or talk of "frame battles", they talk about people's individual perspectives, aka definition 1.

When people say, "she tried to grab the frame", or "always control the frame but resist giving the impression that you are" (Rollo's definition), then frame is the agreed common perspective, aka definition 2.

I think therefore I am. Good post

I agree with this post. I am writing an article about this, here is what I have written so far:

The desire to obey and follow the alpha male overwhelms our other emotions and even rational thoughts. It is so strong that betas are literally wired to accept the alpha male’s rules for reality. Charismatic men with “alpha” traits have created religions, philosophical systems, and ideologies which millions of people have blindly accepted, oftentimes in the face of pretty solid real-world evidence that those “rules for reality” were wrong, stupid, and harmful. This makes sense – humans are more likely to survive in the jungle if we follow the warrior rather than the scholar – a warrior who listens to the scholar is just an added bonus. In true Nietzschean fashion, Donald Trump proved that people’s desire for the (perceived) alpha male is stronger than their desire for truth. Even revolutionary movements that “fight the power” are mostly lead by charismatic men.

The alpha male must create the rules of reality because apes and humans did not evolve to have an inherent ability to understand the concept of objective reality. Betas evolved to feel that if a man is subject to rules he did not create, then some other alpha male must be enforcing those rules. Furthermore, beta males are terrified of chaos and crave order, so if the alpha cannot impose order on reality, then the betas are wired to immediately find another alpha for protection. To make the beta’s perception of reality even more slippery, when the alpha male ventures into chaos he actually does change reality by changing things, creating new things, defeating challenges, making discoveries, and imposing rules for how people should conduct themselves. “Humans cannot fly” was a law of reality until a man invented the airplane, and more and more of these rules will collapse as human knowledge advances.

This is the reason why texting should not be used as form of communication because I am not aware of a way to put a strong frame into your words.

Interesting way to think of it.

Basically, be comfortable with who you are and generally everyone else will be as well. The people who aren't, you could give a shit less about.

Great way to explain and view self-confidence.

Getting yourself to that point, compounded with being the best version of yourself possible acts as a snowball effect.

People see that and naturally act accordingly.

It's why there are guys that exist who are out of shape, or ugly that can still regularly get beautiful women.

Granted, if the out of shape guy, got in shape his potential would be even greater. Unfortunately, us humans are generally pretty lazy and adopt an "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" mentality. Leading to what I can only imagine is a staggering amount of wasted potential.

Now, it's also worth understanding that everyone has their limits and I believe it's healthy and important to be honest with yourself about them.

Great post-

It took me a while to really understand frame when i started reading trp. Wish i read this a year ago. Really simple, very clear.

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