Introduction
I have been on RedPill for a long time now, and over the years have read many related articles and posts about variety of related topics. There is a view of RedPill where it is not an agenda, or cult but simply a toolbox where you get to choose the tools that you need in order to achieve an optimal Sexual Market Strategy for yourself. Others like to view RedPill as a resource which provides more than tools to increase SMV, but also promotes traditional masculine values and puts success with women as a side effect of becoming more masculine. There are other different interpretations, and for the purposes of this post I will not go into them.
What is Redpill?
My understanding of RedPill is that it is neither a toolbox nor a rolemodel but rather a complex framework primarily build on evolutionary psychology, philosophy and biology. The reason I say it is complex is not because the concepts that RedPill teaches are complex, but rather the application of those concepts in different cases may be challenging and nuances are everywhere. I will get to this later, but keep in mind that core concepts of RedPill are simple, but the road to them goes through hard work and self reflection.
Why am I making this post?
If you frequently visit asktrp subreddit you will notice that usually there is a lot of disagreement in comments section, and different people provide various advice on the same question. Furthermore once the details of the question are altered or changed then the same people may have different opinion, it might be very easy for new members to get lost in whats true and whats false (Just for the record I do not believe in the concept of ultimate right or wrong and neither does RedPill, instead we call it amoral and the morality of action is unique to the circumstances but I digress). I have been contributing to asktrp for a long time now and I have noticed a continuous pattern, every question boils down to the person asking if something is alpha or beta because there is a widely spread perception of alpha = good and beta = bad (know that this is not always the case but again I do not want to digress further).
SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO NEW COMERS UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ALPHA AND WHAT IS BETA?
1) Is replying to my ex girlfriends call whose mother just passed away beta? Should I keep ghosting her?
2) How do I react to guy friends making fun of me? Is physical escalation beta? What to do if amused mastery doesn't seem to work?
3) I have this one plate she did this one thing and I said that other thing, am I alpha now?
Etc. Etc. Etc...
asktrp gets questions like this everyday, and people provide various answers to them. However despite seeming very complex and hard to grasp, RedPill's fundamental concepts are very simple and do not change in any circumstance.
REPEAT AFTER ME, REDPILL'S CORE IS SIMPLE AND TRUE FOR EVERY SITUATION
What is this core you might ask? Well if I had to put it in one word it is INTENTIONS.
That is right, the core that decides whether certain action is alpha or beta is the intentions behind that said action. But before going deeper, let us take a step back and look at this Alpha, Beta, Sigma, Gamma and other letters of Greek alphabet.
THE SPECTRUM
First let me start by saying that gender is not a spectrum, it is basic biology and there are only two genders of male and female. However behavior and mental state are a subject to change and the duality of gender does not apply to it.
BETA--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ALPHA
You may view it as a line with beta and alpha being polar opposites of each other and everything in between is like the shades of gray. Example: If you go to the gym which has a lot of beginners (planet fitness lol) and you are an intermediate lifter, you will easily feel like alpha in there, but if you switch to the gym which has guys juicing up you might not feel so tough (This largely depends on your frame of mind and your psychological state as well as your world view but for the purposes of this post let us not go that deep).
There are other examples of a person being alpha or beta in different circumstances. So we can safely say that a person in himself is neither permanently alpha or permanently beta at all times but rather is on certain polarity at every single moment in the linear time.
Ok we got that down, but u/Andorli what about biological alphas males or beta males and 20/80 rule? This is a hard concept to fit in one text and requires much deeper analysis since we still do not completely understand how conscience works and whether we are completely material being or there is something else. But to keep it short genetics largely determine what qualities you will have and what behavioral tendencies your brain will exhibit, however it is fully possible to develop different behavioral patterns with repeated action and mental exercise as well as have dramatic changes on molecular and epigenetic level. Example would be doing steroids, you get not only physical but also psychological changes, or psychedelic drugs which can completely change your being. During war many alpha prisoners were tortured and broken down to and empty shell of their former selves etc. etc.
So lets recap two important points made in a simple language:
1) Alpha and beta is not a person's being but a polarity of their actions
2) Any person can change their polarity through constant mindful action
Now we get to the fun part. If alpha and beta is not stable concept and if a person is not alpha and beta then how do we determine someone's polarity? What makes a person alpha or beta?
This is an interesting question, there are people who would argue that actions alone determine if the person is alpha or beta. But I dislike that explanation because it is too shallow and does not apply in all cases.
Here is a scenario so you may understand better: AlphaThunderChadMegaCock goes to gym everyday to lift heavy weights and works extra hard to always have the pump and visible 6 pack. He gets laid easily due to his physique and has developed abundance of pussy. From outside this is an Alpha Chad. But lets hypothetically discuss what are his internal thoughts.
1) He goes to the gym not because he enjoys it but only to keep that 6 pack so he can get laid.
2) He is never satisfied with the pussy he gets not because it is bad but because he constantly chases further self-validation through getting pussy.
Obviously this is a made up extreme example, but it is there to demonstrate the point that just because actions seem alpha does not mean that they truly are. So the final point of this post is
INTENTIONS behind the action decide whether that action is alpha or beta. Intentions are the core of every single action you take in life and your final goals are based on simple building blocks which are your internal motivations (intentions), and in order to understand whether an action is alpha or beta just an introspective analysis of your own intentions will give you much better answers than people on asktrp.
Example: There was a guy who recently posted on asktrp about his coworker reporting him to HR. He initially painted a picture of her trying to get him and him being completely innocent. But once his actions came to light it was revealed that he is not so innocent after all and maybe he deserved what he got. The reason for such outrage was that because he initially was not honest with the community about his intentions and that dishonesty caused him to brake frame.
So next time you find yourself in situation where you are question yourself, just think about what your intentions are and do those intentions help you in long term. If you find that your intentions steam from insecurity, weakness or other non beneficial factors then you should definitely rethink them and adjust your actions accordingly.
As a final advice there is an interesting concept called congruence which is alignment of intentions-thoughts-actions, I will not go into that concept in this post but I urge you to research it.

Kobinks 7y ago
Would just like to highlight this because it is an issue I see time and time again within the community.
TRP is completely amoral, yet we constantly see people discussing based on emotion and morality.
This is leading to blue pill logic flooding the comments sections to hamster away any red pill technique or thought people aren’t comfortable with (cognitive dissonance)
Not only is this hypocritical of the values of the community it’s counter productive to a effective discussion.
Now that’s out of the way, solid well written post mate.
[deleted] 7y ago
Any organization of people that says "don't talk about X" has not reached an objective truth.
The concept of morality is open to debate, and so is it's relevance in regards to TRP.
I don't give a fuck what you sheeple write in the sidebar, there are flaws with TRP like any other philosophy and silencing discussion proves only willful ignorance.
gluebrand 7y ago
The term that best describes The Red Pill is ideology. There is not really any philosophical objective for TRP.
Kobinks 7y ago
I would counter that bringing morality into the equation is silencing discussion about viable and effective strategy’s because some people deem them immoral.
Having a personal morality is fine, allowing that to override a rational discussion on effectiveness is not.
gluebrand 7y ago
Viable and effective from whose perspective? You cannot separate rational discussion from morality if you don't agree on objective parameters.
blackleaf31 7y ago
TRP involves how humans interact with other humans. Where it is prescriptive, it has moral dimensions as a result.
kellykebab 7y ago
Yeah, this should be obvious. The part of TRP that simply describes reality is amoral. The part that describes actions and their likely effects is amoral. The part that recommends certain actions is moral.
If you tell guys what they should and should not be doing with their lives, whether it's "only" for strategic ends, you are promoting a moral point of view by definition (i.e. the best way to live is to pursue these types of goals using these methods).That is taking a moral stand.
This is why there are sometimes ethical discussions in comment threads. I always find it to be bullshit when guys are like "no moralizing, the Red Pill is amoral" in a thread about the 'right' way to confront a partner who might be cheating.
As soon as you introduce prescriptions as you say, you have introduced ethics.
Whisper 7y ago
To loosen a bolt that it fixed in place with thread locker, heat it with a propane torch before attempting to turn it.
Oops, I just moralized!
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dulkemaru51 7y ago
Correct. But that is not the same as "taking a moral stand".
It would be in the case that the prescriptions are argued for morally. A prescription for attaining a certain goal, posed by the OP, is a concrete alternative solution for attaining that goal, a descriptive, amoral statement.
If OP's goal is, for instance, to get his distant girlfriend to have sex with him and commenters argue for ways to get there, they are not therein, by extension, taking a moral stand.
kellykebab 7y ago
Of course they are, because different methods will carry different moral weight. Advising the guy to lie, for instance, expresses a moral opinion about lying.
If you are giving advice and people are involved, you have stepped into a moral realm. Why avoid it?
dulkemaru51 7y ago
Not necessarily. I get what you're saying. But the moral stand of the advisor depends on the intent in his advice. It could be meant as strictly descriptive. A practical alternative that should work in real life. One could write a response to someone that explains how to psychologically torment a person to suicide to clean out the competition for an inheritance without ever condoning such behaviour on moral grounds.
To be fair, in your original comment you said "... tell guys what they should and should not be doing ...". Then yes. That's inherently stating a moral view.
There is definitely a lot of that on here. I have nothing against it, although in my perfect world, I would like to see solutions along with everything else on here, laid out as philosophical arguments.
Still, it's impossible in many cases to discern the moral nature of a propositional comment on askTRP about how to get your girlfriend to suck on it after a big fight... "soft next, don't call, tell her she can't come over, don't listen to her venting... etc", could just as well be intended as a working possibility as something that the commenter would do themself.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 7y ago
No moralizing.
dulkemaru51 7y ago
What the retorts meant was that if you believe that it is "beneficial" to take a particular course of action, you are automatically taking a moral stand. Which is true.
What I meant was that someone giving step-to-step advice on askTRP could be intended as a description of reality, even if worded as an opinion.
Not that I disagree but........
kellykebab 7y ago
Exactly. And that was my point. Let's not have a debate about something we both agree on.
dulkemaru51 7y ago
I'm not debating that anymore. I'm saying that it's impossible for you to know what their morals regarding the situation is, without them excplicitly saying it. In most cases, people just tell you to do things because they believe that it will yield the results that you desire - descriptive.
kellykebab 7y ago
But as I already said, the act of advising itself is equal to taking a moral position.
dulkemaru51 7y ago
Intent. You don't know if they believe that OP should or should not do it based only on their choice of words. Their advice could be meant to be descriptive of reality.
edit: depends on where you draw the line. By extension of that principle, solving a math problem is equal to taking a moral position also, because you could be using that time to make homeless people laugh or some shit.
Roadhouse1984 7y ago
Great post. Humans have no such thing as true Alpha males like Gorillas that have both size and social dominance.
Humans have far less body dimorphism even between the sexes and dominant physical sizes are very difficult to acquire compared to other men. Strength wise, you will be more or less evenly matched in similar environmental ancestral conditions. Social dominance is not acquired by individual brute force but by consensus building and diplomacy with other allies to gain or assert social dominance.
Alpha is behavior. Everything else is bro science horseshit
Andorli 7y ago
I remember watching show "True Detective" where one of the detectives says that humans are evolutionary mistake, nature fucked up when its biological creations got consciousness. We no longer operate purely by the laws of evolution as primates do but rather more complex framework of social interactions where the line between Alpha and Beta is not always clear. This post was an attempt to water down the idea of how to distinguish between behavioral pattern in humans. Unfortunately some people in the thread misinterpreted the shit out of this post, but I am glad you liked it.
I will attempt to bring more posts like this in order to facilitate more intellectual discussions on RedPill as I genuinely do not like what has happened to the community with increase of its popularity.
Roadhouse1984 7y ago
You should totally go for it. It doesnt help anyone to advocate being a domineering shithead as most "just lift and be alpha bro and try to fight everyone!1!11" like the average mileu of the posts here
throwawy_12262017 7y ago
Good post and a nitpicking point. Say you are on the beta side of the spectrum and wish to improve your alpha "score". This requires mindful action and behaviors. I would argue that a large part of the conversation here assumes the possibility that you can alter your alpha/beta mix. So far so good.
Where I get lost is in your Chad Thundercock example where beta intentions are masquerading as alpha actions. The desire to improve oneself seems to be construed as beta behavior in this example. Yet, that is a precondition for a beta to get on the ladder of mindful actions to up their alpha. So, this would seem to place the beta in a trap in which the desire to improve is itself beta behavior, so too bad.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this example, but it seems fundamental to understand the mindset of the beta who unplugs and decides to improve. What is that mindset?
Andorli 7y ago
Wanting to improve is neither alpha or beta, actually it is more alpha than beta. In my example i was trying to paint a picture of guy with alpha actions who stems from beta mindset where he is looking for external validation to feel complete which is what betas do when they look for mate to feel happy. The chad is not meeting new girls for fun but rather to prove himself that he can do it and to feel complete. And the point was that performing alpha actions out of beta intention is inherently beta. So the intentions decide ones true self. Hope this makes things more clear.
25toten 7y ago
"INTENTIONS behind the action decide whether that action is alpha or beta. Intentions are the core of every single action you take in life and your final goals are based on simple building blocks which are your internal motivations (intentions)..... "
You make a very good point here. I believe for some blue pills its difficult to just start doing things 'for yourself', instead of doing things to "get something out of it". The Red Pill is largely about becoming a better version of yourself, which promotes the development of 'alpha' like traits. True intrinsic 'alphaness' could arguably be doing things just because you want to do them for yourself, not necessarily because of any direct external outcome; i.e getting that 6 pack not because you want to, but because you want the external reward that comes from doing so (getting laid easier).
This doesn't mean you can't have goals, or desire the admiration of others, but you should absolutely desire and fully embrace every step that it takes to get there; and most importantly, not let anyone's opinion sway you from those goals.
Bc_Land 7y ago
That's a contradiction
Another contradiction. All action is outcome dependent. Everything we do, we do because we "get something out of it".
If everything we do, we do just for ourselves and focus on our purpose, yet we don't act to move up in the social hierarchy (some people don't care about social hierarchy), will not qualify us as alpha. We can be completely focused on our purpose and still not have social power or attraction
Putins_Orange_Cock 7y ago
I just moved and haven't figured out a gym to go to in my new area yet. I kept my Planet Fitness membership because I travel a lot and can always find one to go to when I am traveling. It's better than not going.
I worked out at PF my first 4 or 5 months lifting and then switched to a very intense gym. A guy who came in 3rd in Mr. Olympian is a trainer there, for instance. I was definitely the low guy on the totem pole there, by a long shot.
I've been going to the PF in my new town until I can figure something better out. At PF people stare at me with confused looks as I press the 75 LBS dumb bells (the highest they have, there are no bench presses). There's dust on them before I use them. I think I am the first person to pick them up in 6 months.
At the other gym people stared at me with looks of confusion, not able to comprehend how weak and out of shape a human could be and still draw breath, from their perspective anyway.
DudeCrabb 7y ago
Dont worry about what others think so much like that.
halfback910 7y ago
Honestly, the only reason I'm at LA Fitness is because I need racquetball courts too.
If I didn't need those, I'd be at PF. Sure, you have to use the smith machines for benching. It's fine as long as they have enough of them and, well... it is safer I guess if somewhat inconvenient. I'm not at a point where I need 75lb dumbbells.
You just can't argue with $10.00 a month. It's dirt cheap. That's like... one lunch.
LA Fitness is still pretty cheap (which is impressive given that they have courts and a pool) but not that cheap.
Putins_Orange_Cock 7y ago
Be careful benching on the smith machine, you can fuck up your shoulders. You're much better off with dumb bells. The shoulder isn't designed to move in a perfect linear fashion, which the smith machine imposes on it.
ConkersBadFury 7y ago
I concur. He’ll benefit much more from free weights than any Smith machine.
halfback910 7y ago
I honestly did not know that. As it stands, I'm at LAF and there is only one smith machine and one squat rack. Anyone who uses either to bench is very quickly chewed out, and for good reason.
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The alpha/beta polarity you speak of is pretty simple at least when judging an individual action:
Is the act in question either overtly or covertly an act of supplication? Then it's beta. The only exception I can think of is if it's an act of supplication to the authority of a group that you belong to that increases your power in society.
Following your drill sergeant's orders isn't beta. You belong to the army. The benefits of following orders now manifests in the long run as increased personal power. Just wearing a uniform shows some level of authority and power.
Begging to be let into a dungeons and dragons group? Beta.
Swearing in to a group of hobos and giving up privileges to them? Beta.
Swearing in as the president of the USA and giving up some privileges to the people? Alpha.
It boils down to: in what degree you are selling yourself out, and what is the benefit?
Selling yourself out to a woman for her pussy and/or affection is always beta.
The above is useful for determining whether an action is alpha or beta but when determining whether a man is seen as alpha or beta you must also include physical prowess, their history of supplication or domination, and their social status. Almost nothing a 4' tall fat unhealthy weakling does can be seen as alpha. If you were born in a shell like this then you'd have to be very clever with how you live your life and what types of power you persue.
A lot of this is left up to interpretation because even around here we don't ever fully agree on things and I would posit that alpha is all about perception, not intention. You never know the weakness of someone's internal dialogue, only your perception of the actions they take, their stature and size, and social status.
HS-Thompson 7y ago
This is just incorrect.
The core definition of Alpha is a leader.
Clearly, there is a lot more nuance to this that could be expounded on, but ultimately the simplest and most direct way to determine who's the Alpha or the Beta is to determine who is leading and who is following.
Which rules is everyone playing under (aka frame)? Who is the one others look to for validation and acceptance?
Alpha and Beta are things that exist in a social context. They aren't permanent, they shift depending on the environment and what's important to the group dynamic.
But one thing that's dead certain is what's going on inside your head only isn't what determines your Alpha state.
Alpha is not a thing that you are and it's not a mentality that you hold. It is a position you hold in a group. Period.
Andorli 7y ago
I specifically wrote this:
For your argument. I agree that it is the position you hold, but the position you hold is volatile hence you can not analyze the person based solely on his position in certain role.
I disagree, because what is going on inside your head manifests itself in actions. There is a very well known concept in pick up community called "inner game". Or if we translate that to RedPill your inner game is basically how you perceive reality around you and what is your belief system, and that is the building blocks of your frame. Your internal frame has tremendous effect on your behavior, hence your polarity of actions changes. You can't maintain fake facade for ever, it will crack for sure.
There have been different leaders throughout history, some were respected and admired others were feared, but not all of those leaders were alpha, and just being in position of leader does not make you automatically alpha. If you want a perfect example think "King Joffrey" from GoT, he is in position of Alpha but everyone knows, including the guards and peasants what he truly is inside.
I disagree with this simply because this is a very shallow definition. Instead I offer you a different perspective. The ability to reach a dominant position in a group repeatedly under different circumstances is Alpha.
womans_algorithm 7y ago
Hence OP's example with Mr. AlphaThunderChadMegaCock. I don't understand how first you say you disagree, and then you write the same point OP made.
HS-Thompson 7y ago
Because his example has nothing to do with social dynamics at all. There's no other person in the story it's all about what's happening in the guy's head.
That's irrelevant. The OP is literally saying that his feelings determine his Alpha status, aka feels before reals. Nonsense.
There are plenty of Alphas who are depressed or have poor motivations for what they do. Nearly every single rock star for example. It doesn't matter. When they walk into that stadium they're most certainly the Alpha in that group.
An Alpha is at the top of the specific social hierarchy they are in. That's what the concept means.
womans_algorithm 7y ago
I don't know if you were smoking something bad, but there are clearly other people. In first part there are noob gym members, in second part there are steroid big gorillaz. Guy's standing in social hierarchy in those situations determine his standing in it.
jonpe87 7y ago
I will explain more easily, there is 2 kind of selfish man, one that is ok with that, and the one that think that he must not
ihateyouguys 7y ago
The random bold text made this more difficult to read. It did not enhance clarity or help with the most important thing about writing: comprehensiblity.
vitringur 7y ago
Also, the claim of being based on biology, philosophy and evolutionary psychology with absolutely no references what so ever was pretty embarrassing.
pmmedenver 7y ago
> AlphaThunderChadMegaCock goes to gym everyday to lift heavy weights and works extra hard to always have the pump and visible 6 pack. He gets laid easily due to his physique and has developed abundance of pussy
I'm not trying to nitpick, but I do hate how people around here act like just being muscular will get you all the pussy you could ever want. I'm sorry but its more complicated than that. This caricature is a mockery of redpill itself.
FullTrainer 7y ago
Seconded, as a formerly ripped autistic man. lol
Andorli 7y ago
This is for people like you who take every example very seriously. Obviously you need ability to communicate and confidence etc. to get laid, nobody is taking that away from equation, but I can't write out every single detail in one post and address every single nuance, so I skipped a lot to just demonstrate a simple point.
Moir53 7y ago
Round of fucking applause
Great post.
Luckyluke23 7y ago
1) Alpha and beta is not a person's being but a polarity of their actions
2) Any person can change their polarity through constant mindful action
that's a good clarification I like it.
Demiurge_Decline 7y ago
Beta = woman with balls
Alpha = Man with balls
Fixed it.
tearsofgaia 7y ago
I bet you put in a lot of hard work to make this post but I feel like it perpetuates a lot of false information, some have already been pointed out but what I'm specifically talking about is how you are selling your opinion as a fact when you're writing gender is not a spectrum. A gender duality or polarity may be helpful for the heteronormative stance behind TRP and your post but there is a reason science differentiates between gender (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones) and sex (either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions). As our Western culture is undoubtedly heteronormative we are usually socialised in binary categories you could mistake for biological categories but at the same time, because it's a social construct, it can be a spectrum.
Incel9876 7y ago
Humans have two sexes, nouns of various of foreign languages have genders, humans do not have gender(s), regardless of modern pseudo-logic. It sure wasn't "science" that changed Bill Nye's old school program on sex/sexuality to his recent one comparing sexuality to preferences for ice-cream flavors.
Agrees_withyou 7y ago
I see where you're coming from.
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Andorli 7y ago
Recently on asktrp there was a guy (lets call him A) who was asking whether he should remove his exs photos from the house.
Somebody (lets call him B) replied that they still have photos just for the memories because it was a good part of their life and they do not regret having it.
Both A and B are doing the same action by having photos around the house, however A is affected emotionally by those photos in a negative way while B has idgaf attitude about it and has them for decoration and fun. Here is a perfect example of same action being beta or alpha in different circumstances. So the answer to replying to ex depends on your internal frame of mind and the intentions behind answering the phone call. If you are answering in hopes of getting back emotional connection, you are a pussy beta who needs to man up. If you are answering because you want to show basic humanity to a person and maintain stoic frame then it is completely fine.
I think one of the basic concepts we teach on redpill from the very beginning is to not care about people around you and their perceptions because they won't matter to your well being and they do not put your well being before themselves. Also you never know how person truly perceives you, I had a friend who admitted to me in his drunk stupor that the reason he tried to "shittest" me so much is because he was jealous of my progress and despite all shit he tried to give me, he deeply respected me.
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Andorli 7y ago
Let me clarify myself, we come down to intentions again. If your intention in caring about peoples' opinion is to get long term benefit by maintaining a certain reputation then by all means you can do what you have to do. (This is debatable, because there is a concept of true alpha and natural flow of events but I won't go into those atm)
If you caring what other people think comes from internal insecurity and you try to please everybody (hence we recommend NMMNG to beginners all the time) then your intentions are very wrong and will lead you to misery.
Hope this makes it more clear.
eluethero 7y ago
This is get a point where people literally ask questions like "I accidentaly smiled a HB8, tell my beta level", "I not responded my hot co-worker bitch today, i am alpha right?"
"I am ghosting my ex -real fact: they never talked since they broke up- definetely an alpha."
All those comments makes me think about an autistic dude who thinks his behaviour is "alpha".
Seriously, similing, laughing, getting angry... Those are all humanistic emotions and reactions. Sure you can keep them under control but there is nothing wrong about expressing them.After all you are not a man of steel.
The whole concept of socio-sexual hierarchy named and archetyped after Greek letters for making things easy to understand not to dictate. As TRP is not a religion to be followed strictly, it is rather a tool to be used. Stop implying textbook alpha behaviours to life and learn how to gain social dominiance while not looking like an autistic guy or a total asshole. (for those who doing things that way)
Secondly, remember the fact that you need to adapt every situation. Lost your frame? Establish another one, your LTR is causing problems which cannot be solved ? Execute an evacuation plan etc... Always have your options and try to adapt every situation. Life is not static nor linear. Everything changes rapidly.
javixm 7y ago
This is every street fight I've ever seen.
Both guys start taunting each other in displays of "strength" and "manliness" in an attempt to get the other guy to stop, and not fight. They do this because they're scared shitless and they don't know how to fight, so they overcompensate and act like they're Conor McGregor.
Very rarely will you see a guy who's an actual fighter getting easily taunted by some dude at a bar, and reacting aggressively instead of trying to calm the guy down.
This is what happened to me after only a few months of BJJ.
I'm in the gym with killers every day... what do I have to prove by choking this random dude to sleep? I know I can do it, he's not even a white belt.
trele_morele 7y ago
Alpha and beta are easier explained in terms of power dynamics in relationships. Consider just two people. The one who exerts more power over the other is higher in the "contextual" hierchary. There's a social component of power, there's another component for example in a work setting. Total power is a sum of components. Total power determines your standing in comparison to the other person or a whole group. Alpha is not about being the loudest in a group. Loudness is a manifestation of power. If you command power, people will stop and listen to you and you don't have to raise your voice at all. On the other hand you can be an unstable, screaming lunatic and get rejected from the group. Power, people. It's all about power. Can you make people do things you want for you and tell them to fuck off if they ask the same of you? If you can do that, you have power over them, you are alpha they are betas in that particular context. Can you walk away from a particular situation with more power than another person? If yes, you are the contextual alpha.
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What is your definition of valid scientific sources here?
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gbdoragnic 7y ago
> Any person can change their polarity through constant mindful action
You don't decide if you are alpha, another person or your social group does, it's how they view and treat you, in TRP this dynamic is usually in a romantic relationship , In short "who wears the pants".
And if you think two people can wear the pants you're blue pill , these term and expression are very old
> There was a guy who recently posted on asktrp about his coworker reporting him to HR. He initially painted a picture of her trying to get him and him being completely innocent. But once his actions came to light it was revealed that he is not so innocent after all and maybe he deserved what he got.
The community sees him as beta, and a loser, but what if his lie had of succeeded and people respected him unknowingly. Despite the fact that he is a piece of shit liar get away, this is why it's important not to tie Alpha and beta to specific actions, his intent was to get away with a crime, this certainly happens.
> however it is fully possible to develop different behavioral patterns with repeated action and mental exercise as well as have dramatic changes on molecular and epigenetic level.
It's not that deep and I feel TRP shouldn't really try to encompass a entire person, because it leads to over complicating things to get laid. I found going out and trying and meeting new people increased my perception, Your brain is like a sponge it's always learning , surrounding yourself with challenges changing your perception, Thus learn game and go outside and try
Andorli 7y ago
Bullshit, if you base your self-esteem on what group thinks of you then you are going to have miserable life. I can give you many example from history where group perceived someone to be of low value when in reality that person tremendously affected the world and was later acknowledged as being a leader.
He is still a beta loser does not matter how he is perceived because sooner or later that facade will break, and to understand this you need to understand the concept of congruence which I mentioned at the end of my post and concept of authenticity of frame.
This is a great approach if you do not want to go deep and I fully support you on this, since not everyone cares enough to analyze everything to its core and that is fine. The purpose of this post however was not to go deep but to simplify for new comers the understanding of idea of alpha and beta actions.
gbdoragnic 7y ago
> Bullshit, if you base your self-esteem on what group thinks of you then you are going to have miserable life.
A person viewing me as Alpha and Beta isn't effecting my self-esteem it's a reality, I can't go around saying IDGAF and have everyone I know treat me like crap. I would never say the words i'm alpha, I will let others define me as they see fit.
> I can give you many example from history where group perceived someone to be of low value when in reality that person tremendously affected the world and was later acknowledged as being a leader.
My point still stands, to that group he was Beta, so what, even if he did great things later on at that moment he was no chad to that group.
> He is still a beta loser does not matter how he is perceived because sooner or later that facade will break
But this applies criminals are inherently not Alpha, and we all know that isn't true
> I mentioned at the end of my post and concept of authenticity of frame.
Bryan Banks was authentic, was a registered sex offender, he lucked out that his accuser was so stupid she confessed. Life isn't as simple as being authentic, He lied about a crime, criminals and rapist do get away sometimes and go on to live happy lives.
> This is a great approach if you do not want to go deep and I fully support you on this
But Alpha is a status, a status you can attain by being yourself confidently, while you won't fit in everywhere most people you met should be a positive experience, I would think the true criteria though is based on you getting what you want out of life and not complaining.
nickcato 7y ago
Do we seriously need to read fuckin novels? This place is turning into some fuckin intellect-masturbation chamber.