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AsianScorpio1322 3y ago
Treat every accusations seriously. Remember you are not the court. Do not ask the potential victim for proof. This is extremely harmful to real victims.
genericteenagename 3y ago
If that’s the case then due process isn’t an issue, it only becomes an issue if you want to try and get someone who may be innocent convicted
japanese-bo1 3y ago
or maybe dont support either until there is evidence
that's what i do
4437855 3y ago
If I support the facts, I have statistically higher chance of finding the truth, than either of those fucked up sexist scenarios.
[Edit: Thank you for the gold kind stranger!]
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HandsomeJack44 3y ago
Don't buy gold and support this website anyways dude
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HandsomeJack44 3y ago
Reddit is currently supported by China and already actively suppresses dissent, when they become publicly traded they'll fully 'sanitize' the site and delete everything that goes outside the lines.
antilopes 3y ago
China's shareholding through TenCent is what, 5%? 10%? That is a small part of the shareholder funding.
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thegenericnameboi 3y ago
for the same reason people like jev still play cod even though they rage so much lol: we've invested too much time here to stop
powerfullatom111 3y ago
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digitalblemish 3y ago
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PyroTheAlpha 3y ago
WHAT THE SHIT... that’s a thing you can do?
powerfullatom111 3y ago
No ones secrets stay hidden forever
digitalblemish 3y ago
This IS the internet, it is almost never possible to truly delete something once posted. Especially with the modern ease of creating bots, archiving and restoring anything posted has become rather trivial other than the possible costs and potential legalities involved regarding the content being archived.
Itisme129 3y ago
I block all ads on Reddit. Yeah they can count me as a viewer, but they don't directly profit from me being here. As soon as a viable alternative pops up, I'm gone.
ZeroFeetAway 3y ago
Support Gab https://gab.com/home
antilopes 3y ago
Gab is an alt-right shithole, isn't it?
ZeroFeetAway 3y ago
They don't censor, which is everything as far as I'm concerned. I don't want anybody else deciding for me what I may or may not read. | I'm not sure whether it is "alt-right". How would you know?
yung__slug 3y ago
Search “Jews” and see what ya find
antilopes 3y ago
Do you see more Holocaust denial on Gab? References to the JQ (Jewish Question)? (((Jews)))? Do people get a strange enjoyment from talking about soap, ashes, ovens, gas, wooden doors? Helicopter rides?
Is there stuff about racial differences in IQ, "race realism", purity, monkey references, white genocide etc? Do they look forward to a 2nd civil war, a purge, a boog, a period of anarchy when disfavoured groups can be exterminated?
ZeroFeetAway 3y ago
Nah can't recall much denial going on over there. It's free speech. But there is a lot more discussion of the Bolshevik Holocaust there than you would see on Twitter (which is zero, bizarrely enough). Did you know the Bolsheviks relied on non-Russians (Chinese and Letts) to ensure their core power? I.e., their personal security. Non-Russians were also relied on for mass executions (because they were more "efficient"--if you don't speak the language, someone pleading for his life will have less effect), for intra-military punishments, and to staff the CheKa's torture and execution chambers.
Heterodynist 3y ago
Amen, my friend!
QuantSeven 3y ago
This. I have gotten so penned in with the shit reasoning we’re surrounded with that I temporarily lost my bearings. Thank you.
TheDudeThatCanDrum 3y ago
Fuckin facts my dude.
RIPDODGERSBANDWAGON 3y ago
Facts
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SusLookingCydro 3y ago
I dunno, I would’ve thought any percentage above 0% is too high. Why be complacent with something as fucked up as false accusation just because the percentage of false cases isn’t as dramatic as you’d like? That goes for men and women alike, false accusation is just wrong
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zaapas 3y ago
Wow you really love the 2% can't stop repeating it... do you remember when you said 2 to 10% but I guess you prefer the lowest number because... bias are great to support you view? (Even if those numbers don't represent the real situation because someone shot them out of their asses)
SusLookingCydro 3y ago
There isn’t an either or choice to make here. This is a false dilemma. You don’t have to pick between either, and you especially shouldn’t based on statistics and not facts specific to the scenario. Not supporting a victim because you don’t know for a fact that they’re the victim doesn’t mean you’re supporting the accused
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xigoi 3y ago
Showing people that they'll be punished no matter if they commit a crime will surely help them not commit crimes.
MrCelcols 3y ago
I hear your point here but every case is different people have different motives and intentions and some people just want to see the world burn. That said I would go with the proof presented the suspects relation to the victim and his past behavior (there are alot more to it than that like an alibi and also shit I don't know since I'm not a detective) if everything was pointing to a rapist I would support the victim.
zaapas 3y ago
Yes lest make justice on assumptions sure it will do great.
mrstickman 3y ago
Three posts ago you said 2-10% are proven to be false, and now you're saying 2% are false. There were two subtle but very important slips in your thinking.
Other people have pointed out larger problems in your statements, but this bit of intellectual dishonesty ought to get a mention.
philhalo66 3y ago
except that 2-10% number is bullshit, major feminists admit nobody know what the numbers are. i mean some even admit it could be as high as 50%. so GTFO with your propaganda
antilopes 3y ago
I'm familiar with this subject and have not seen "major feminists" say the real FA rate could be much higher than the commonly agreed 8% or 10% maximum. There are enough large modern studies for a semi-consensus to emerge. The minimum is maybe 5% or 6% (not 2%, that is the individually provable %).
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antilopes 3y ago
I don't think it is wise to get into unreported rapes beyond just mentioning them, for a few reasons. We don't have much data. They are not going to be the same as reported rapes. There is a bit known about the % falling under each of 8 or so reasons for not reporting.
I imagine most unreported rapes are not realistically prosecutable, and a lot will not be even theoretically prosecutable in most jurisdictions. A lot of sexual trauma does not break the law.
The US reporting rate is calculated from NCVS, which is a conservative measure of rapes. Its reporting rate is typically 22% - 24%, I don't know how the number 33% appeared one year. 33% is a very high number and is implausible, most countries estimate 10% - 20%. If you round up a herd of raped women there is no way a third of them will have reported to police, that is just not what happens.
antilopes 3y ago
Indeed. Currently RAINN is showing 23% from the same information source, the BJS. That is more plausible. So big a shift suggests it is a change in data gathering policy or police reporting policy that caused the anomaly.
zaapas 3y ago
Not 50 % don't exaggerate ~ 15% - 30% will be more accurate. But 1 Is already to much for the accused.
philhalo66 3y ago
thats not even me exaggerating, this was from an article one of the sjw platforms posted a couple years back, i forgot exactly which one but still my point stands, nobody actually knows what the percentage is but it is likely to be far far higher than what people say.
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philhalo66 3y ago
did i say i believed it or are you putting words in my mouth? I literally nobody knows what it actually is but i would bet money its far far higher than what people claim it is.
zaapas 3y ago
The source you gave out is primarily a study of other studies criticizing them and trying to prove their point thanks to another study made of 136 cases in one single police department over 10 years. Perfect.... Did you read the study? You seem to post things you don't know anything about.
antilopes 3y ago
Lisak's 2010 campus rape study includes a useful survey of previous studies, it is not really a study of studies.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180101025446/https://icdv.idaho.gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf
2%-10% is a commonly agreed figure for false rape accusations, the great majority of large modern studies fit in that range. They also mostly fit in 2% - 8% which is the range more often given.
Note it is not actually a range. 2% is the % of FA provable in court, which is a difficult standard. Two major studies agree on about 2% for that. The high end number is for total FA, these are not individually provable. The total is obtained by making a best guess of each case. The total averaged may be reasonably accurate, but the truth of individual cases is sometimes very unclear.
Given that the provable rate is about 2%, the real total rate is obviously much higher. It is impossible for it to be 3% or 4%, say.
Having read quite a lot of studies I'd say 6% - 10% is a fair estimate of the real range.
Note that these are not all malicious. Between half and 2/3 of complaints name an accused, the rest are anonymous.
The great majority of detected FA are detected very early on, very few get through as far as an arrest.
Only 40% of reports result in an accused even being interviewed. Few of those are charged.
zaapas 3y ago
Just a question about it. does the estimation include solved cases where the acused is proven to be guilty but we estimate that part of them is not guilty based on some error factor? Because they seem to take it the other way around because of this part: "Biases in the Application of the Classification Process" Also it seems to me that the study in question just analyzed other studies and picked one that they just explain to approach their theory, not that they made it themselves.
antilopes 3y ago
Wrongful convictions are very important but they are an insignificant fraction of false accusations. If the wrongful conviction rate were 5%, that would be 5% of the 2% of complaints convicted in the US, so 0.1% of complaints. That is only a hundredth of the false complaints if we say 10% are false.
zaapas 3y ago
And can we agree that if we talk about fake accusations we shouldn't be taking into account the 1/3 report wich doesn't name an acused. Because they're is a much higher probability that they are serious cases not malicious. And if they are proven to be false it doesn't hurt anyone, but the time lost by the police.( not saying that all of them are not true. Some are probably just unprovable but true)
antilopes 3y ago
The solution there is to specify malicious FA.
I guess the reports with no named accuser would be rich in FA, but they would also contain all the random stranger and most of the new acquaintance attacks.
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zaapas 3y ago
Just so you know that rape stat doesn't apply to women on men rape because of the classification of it. To be raped you have to be forced to have sex with someone who has a penis. Because apparently a penis forcefully inserted is the only definition to rape according to texts of the law. So don't come saying rape stats are accurate. But I guess you never looked it up.
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zaapas 3y ago
Also assuming I'm an incel because you don't have anything to say to that is pretty funny. So.. for you false allegations are not a big deal? Is this not downplaying? And can you quote me when I said "female getting raped is not as bad as men being falsely accused"? I'm talking about men's problems and you think I'm downplaying women's problems? How? Explain me. I don't get it.
zaapas 3y ago
How am I downplaying rape? When feminism pressured fbi and they changed the definition of it and decided to not include a good portion of it? How? Otherwise Its great to be a feminist if you don't know that. It's not that no one cares. Its that no ones cares as much. I'll be a feminist if it was true to it's words.
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infantthrower 3y ago
How fucking stupid can you be fucking hell
SirShaunIV 3y ago
"Innocent until proven guilty applies to both the accuser and the accused, and it's only proper to withhold judgement until evidence is forthcoming" Dr. Shaym
Jaybluedude20 3y ago
Fun fact some media outlets say something like 92% of rape allegations are not false, which is true but only like 3% are true 90% are not proven true or false and like 4% are proven false. Check it.
Phillmetal_Alchemist 3y ago
This kind of cancel culture "shoot first ask questions later" mindset is incredibly dangerous.
I remember way back, my first Ex decided to lie and say we were never together and that I was a creep who had a crush and obsessively followed her around. Obviously this led to being shunned by a large majority of people we both worked with for a while and I had no idea why. In the end, I was very lucky because I wasn't the only person she told lies about and once people started to hear the lies she told about them and got to know me better, they told me and I was able to provide proof that we were in fact together.
I was also lucky that the false accusations weren't quite as serious as abuse or rape because people lie about those and that ends careers. Don't get me wrong, the people who actually have done that stuff should 100% be removed from their positions and punished, but there's a reason the legal system states "Innocent till proven guilty" - it's because there are people that falsely accuse others, so due process exists to determine based on evidence what happened.
Unfortunately, cancel culture doesn't much care for that these days. There are people who engage in this almost recreational outrage and are constantly looking for the next thing to get angry about. This is why they don't care about whether the accusation is true, they just take it on its word because they get a weird satisfaction from being angry all the time, it's addictive.
It's massively present these days due to people who know this and take advantage of it to benefit themselves. My ex for example when confronted with everything confessed that the reason she did what she did was because she struggles making friends so she thought by saying what she did, all the other women we worked with would stand with her. Other times false accusations are made because it will remove someone from a position of power that they hope to claim some of for themselves. And sometimes you even get those who do it just cause they want to. Is every case this way? No, of course not. There are shitty people who do shitty things who are rightfully called out and tried on it. But there are those whose accusations are false and they're just as dangerous.
Whatever way you slice it, people who take advantage of the feminist movement as a means to further their own goals and bring others down are Ironically becoming what feminism is against (sexism and sex inequality) and it's frankly sick.
antilopes 3y ago
Sounds like she might be a psychopath, that was horrible.
Phillmetal_Alchemist 3y ago
She could be, there were definitely a lot of other signs as well. All I know is that itself is a massive red flag so I sure as shit ain't gonna stick around and find out lmao
antilopes 3y ago
Nothing good comes from involvement with a narcissist or sociopath. They are the sort of crazy into which one's dick should not be stuck.
LionVenom10 3y ago
Or you can take a neutral stance until something is proven. Why are we normalising this guilty until proven innocent mentality
d_nijmegen 3y ago
So if we accuse our accuser we end up neutral?
Astrum91 3y ago
Of course not. Female accusations are weighted double and male accusations are rated in negatives. You lose either way.
d_nijmegen 3y ago
I feel like a woman in a Muslim world sometimes. The difference is, it's still my fault... So they say
Astrum91 3y ago
Honestly, that sounds like a pretty decent comparison for how we're headed at the moment.
d_nijmegen 3y ago
Even more apt by the fact western feminism don't care about the victims of this systemic abuse. There and here.
SmallTshirt 3y ago
a woman in a muslim world?! you sound unbelievably arragont and bigot.
d_nijmegen 3y ago
You look like someone who's so far out of his/her depth you can't even spell the big words you're using right.
SmallTshirt 3y ago
does it matter? , as long as the message received
JayPlaysBeamNG 3y ago
You need an English course
SmallTshirt 3y ago
doesn't change the fact that she is getting things wrong about muslim women or islam in general
LonelyBobcat 3y ago
The thing is that this only really applies to a 'typical' case. When a girl comes in and says shes been raped most people jump to her defense, but when you wait 20 years and then claim that something happened when you were younger but can't get any details right and then other people come in and are proven to just be trying to sabotage famous men who upset them but didn't rape them, you're gonna be a lot safer believing that the man was just inappropriate at worst.
WorldController 3y ago
What statistics is she referring to? The authorities that gather rape statistics acknowledge that, for a multitude of reasons, they are ultimately unreliable. This lady and her ilk place a whole ton of faith on shoddy data and pure emotion. At best, these people are intellectually dishonest, and at worst they're just mindless, raving idiots.
bufedad 3y ago
hear that guys... not supporting the victim is defending the rapist....
ApprehensiveMail8 3y ago
Yeah, it makes you wonder what they actually think "supporting" means.
I'm pretty sure the number one reason that most sex crimes do not end in a conviction is... most victims don't actually want one. It doesn't usually benefit them in any tangible way and if they still have some sort of relationship with the rapist any punishment may actually hurt the victim by proxy.
The reality is, we prosecute for the benefit of OTHER people, who fear they may be future targets. We prosecute to create a deterrent. And actually, we prosecute to help the perpetrator rehabilitate. It's not supporting the victim at all.
I wish people wouldn't lose sight of that.
antilopes 3y ago
From RAINN, source is usually BJS Reasons for reporting and not reporting to police, 2005-2010 USA.
Of the sexual violence crimes reported to police from 2005-2010, the survivor reporting gave the following reasons:
28% to protect the household or victim from further crimes by the offender
25% to stop the incident or prevent recurrence or escalation
21% to improve police surveillance or they believed they had a duty to do so
17% to catch/punish/prevent offender from reoffending
6% gave a different answer, or declined to cite one reason
3% did so to get help or recover loss
- Of the sexual violence crimes NOT reported to police, the victim gave the following reasons:
20% feared retaliation
13% believed the police would not do anything to help
13% believed it was a personal matter
8% reported to a different official
8% believed it was not important enough to report
7% did not want to get the perpetrator in trouble
2% believed the police could not do anything to help
30% gave another reason, or did not cite one reason
nasytasy 3y ago
She is making it sound like there are only 2 options
ThaBroccoliDood 3y ago
Only sith deal in absolutes!
OralTuberculosis 3y ago
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
arihan77 3y ago
You gotta immediately judge and have an opinion on everything that happens in this world
iRombe 3y ago
Dude. This makes me cringe. And some people are always watching, and always gossiping, combine that with the immediate judgement/opinion and it's the fucking trifecta.
UtahStateAgnostics 3y ago
False dilemma.
1Grom 3y ago
False dichotomy fallacy. It's a powerful tool for tricking the mind, as you immediately try to choose between the two options and breaking it's "spell" requires you to think out of the box quick, and sometimes in the middle of a discussion... if I said; strawberry or chocolate? Few people are going to say lemon (it's an example, you can choose other flavor if you don't like lemon...)
TheMiner150104 3y ago
Well unless the question is “Do you like strawberry or chocolate more?”
1Grom 3y ago
That would be a moot point as long as chocolate is involved...
Domkraft 3y ago
Which means that in the case of false accusation she is calling the woman the rapist.
FlyingSeaMan509 3y ago
The sith only deal in absolutes
TheRealJackulas 3y ago
Lol. Either you're with me. Or you're a rapist.
Koguin 3y ago
Every feminist’s biggest addiction is playing straw man
RepulsiveCockroach7 3y ago
Straw woman* c'mon, sexist!
KonradSartorius 3y ago
We prefer strawperson, it's more inclusive.
RepulsiveCockroach7 3y ago
That's very speciesist of you.
KonradSartorius 3y ago
r/UsernameChecksOut
CMJMcM 3y ago
I mean, it is? I dont know if you meant before any evidence has been put forward, but if a woman says she was raped, and the story matches with events, and witness testimonies confirm, and you still dont support her, you are defending a rapist.
xigoi 3y ago
The tweet clearly says “immediately”.
antilopes 3y ago
It is highly unlikely you will have enough evidence to determine rape beyond reasonable doubt in a real case. Even trying to guess which story sounds slightly more likely may be beyond you.
In the US maybe a quarter of rapes are reported at most, and of those just 2% result in jail time. That is how unusual it is for sufficient evidence to exist, and you will not see all the evidence.
If you are close to both sides and are forced to choose, you need to make a leap of faith. Friendship involves trust, so sitting on the fence will damage your friendship. It is quite common for one party or the other to find their friendships untenable or formally ended. A group may split, or one person may be isolated.
You can't wait for a court decision to decide who to support. Courts take ages and only give a definite verdict if they find guilty, which they seldom do. "Not guilty" means not proven beyond reasonable doubt, which is of no help in deciding which story is more likely.
bufedad 3y ago
Notice how you had to add criteria to this so that it would be a reasonable opinion?
That should tell you all you need to know...
And NO not supporting the accuser is not supporting the accused... ever.
CMJMcM 3y ago
I'm asking if you are talking about before evidence is shown or after, because before then I agree, you can remain neutral until facts are shown. But if you are shown clear evidence that a woman was raped and you still dont support them the you are just a psycho
gprime 3y ago
You'll have to expand on that. What is the evidentiary threshold that must be met before I'm a psycho for not accepting her claim? After all, so many allegations of rape revolve around he-said, she-said disputes, where there is no meaningful evidence to analyze. And then assuming I gather my information from a criminal trial, overly broad rape shield laws limit the sort of evidence that can be introduced by the defendant at trial, so how can I meaningfully believe that I have enough evidence to reach the right conclusion in all but the most clear cut of cases?
DivisonNine 3y ago
How about, just bear with me, we wait until we have enough information to pick a side based of evidence and facts instead of picking a side and sticking with it no matter what?
philo_therapist 3y ago
I wonder... does she know that saying "statistically" is not the same thing as actually checking the statistics?
Milk_moustache 3y ago
Unless that rapist is a democrat.
rborens 3y ago
How about we don't immediately support anyone. We wait until the case has been proven with sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, just like in every other crime.
Manpreet_Singh01 3y ago
A great Witcher once said "If I have to choose Between a Greater Evil and a Lesser Evil, I will rather not choose at all"
aurum_32 3y ago
These days even the most ignorant thinks they know a lot, and more importantly, can tell everyone about those things they don't know about.
A person that doesn't know about presumption of innocent should know they shouldn't speak about justice.
yeeyeememeboi69 3y ago
I hate this logic cause if it is a false accusation assault is somthing but sexual assault is somthing else just the accusation can ruin a mans life like hes a good guy oh wait no he was accused what's wrong with him if it reaches his work place it can get him fired cause no one wants to to have a coworker that's accused or have an employee that's accused either way in America its guilty until proven guilty guilty until guilty cause with that it's over if people catch wind it can a d most likely will go south for that person and ruin there lives if it fals
Joemac_ 3y ago
Statistically shut the fuck up
ZombieP0ny 3y ago
Supporting people who claim to be victims of rape/sexual assault isn't the problem. I'm fully in support of investigating any accusations, getting evidence that can prove or refute a crime, etc.
The problem is that accusations are seen synonymous with a guilty verdict. And even if it turns out to be false, there won't be any consequences for the accuser and any corrections in the media will be a small article of two lines.
Zabuza-_-mist 3y ago
Idk where feminists keep getting this "false rape allegations are statistically small" nonsens
Arthuyo 3y ago
Similar stuff to this is commonly repeated. but that doesn't make it true. Based on conviction rates, we really don't know. There is a small percentage rapes accusations presumptively determined to be true due a conviction, and small percentage determined to be false through some mechanism. The vast majority of complaints are somewhere in the middle, neither determined to be true or false.
VoteRepublicanAgain 3y ago
Nowadays, sexism against men & racism against white people is fully encouraged, tolerated & celebrated by millions of sexist women & racist non-white people.
When will this horse shit end? I’m a white man & have done nothing wrong. In my opinion, white men have been very oppressed in history many times like having the vast majority of combat deaths in wars. Those were millions of (almost all) white men who were killed but no one talks about them.
Joneboy39 3y ago
there are 3 types .. lies, damned lies and statistics - mark twain.
stats are low because women aren’t prosecuted for making false complaints or assaults
callmeDannyDanielz 3y ago
Supporting one without evidence is stupidity at it's best.
What about supporting no one until one proven guilty with evidence.
Notice how she wrote about supposed abuser in the later paragraph in order trick our brain that into thinking more probability is the innocence of of the supposed victim. This is beacuse when we read the first para, we read it analyse it and themln remove from the brain. Then we come yo 2nd para which indicates the innocence of supposed victim so that after we read it, it would be stuck in our mind until we read next post, hence giving more thought process to the innocence of the supposed victim.
You are not fooling anybody here.
Silencio00 3y ago
They simply don't get it. And it's scary that many of this women are the ones study Law while men drop college in a critical rate. We're fucked.
Laarye 3y ago
I'd rather a hundred guilty men go free, than see a single innocent man spend one day in jail.
benny_da_boi1139 3y ago
I’m not taking sides until I hear both sides claim
AkashUK 3y ago
You're forgotting about due process.
Dean_Clean 3y ago
This statistical analysis is supported by actual math calculations, no doubt? LOL
mutedloquacity 3y ago
Can someone tell this moron that's why we have the court system?
Edit: I read the tweets. In the comments she said she supports the court system and was referring to personal relationships only. Also, someone made a crack about people supporting alleged victims unless the one they accused is a presidential candidate, and her comment showed she agrees that Biden shouldn't get special treatment.
I think she's pretty reasonable, after reading all that. If what she means is trusting your friend when they confide in you about something like being raped, rather than doubting them, socially, she is probably correctly defining a social norm. Like, if someone in this sub said they were a rape victim, we would start off assuming they're telling the truth, rather than interrogating them and trying to ascertain whether or not it's true, right?
rabel111 3y ago
A very poor understanding of evidence, our legal system, and the presumption of innocence.
But an excellent ability to mindlessly parrot feminist propaganda that assumes all men are rapists unless proven otherwise. This sexist pig believes that when a male is not convicted of rape or the charges against him are dropped due to insufficient evidence, he is just a rapist who got away with it.
massivepoeslyie 3y ago
This reminds me of the George Floyd case, celebrities and companies are labelled "white supremacists" if they dont publicly support the BPM but the ones that do only do it for marketing and media.
ArkticDarkness 3y ago
I won’t support lies even if people call them the victim. I support the truth, not someone playing victim to cover their ass.
Despacito03 3y ago
How about you support "innocent until proven guilty", and don't support either party until something is proven
PeanutButtHer 3y ago
Rape and false rape allegations both have life long impacts on their victims. I’d rather take a non bias approach and let the evidence speak for itself.
Lethn 3y ago
It's really interesting they're spilling out their true mentality towards false rape accusations now. Yes, it's enraging but I also find it fascinating because it lets you know where their mindset is at. In the heads of people who support false accusers they are far more afraid of being seen supporting a rapist than someone who lied about rape because in their heads false rape accusations are no big deal.
This whole situation has started because none of them received any kind of education on how much a false accusation can ruin someone's life so they naturally don't give a fuck as a result. Their parents and teachers have a lot to answer for.
Dean_Clean 3y ago
I'm going to chalk this up to "female-own-group preference". Then the logical question would be: would they apply their logic to believe a male victim as well?
Greg_W_Allan 3y ago
Historically no.
antilopes 3y ago
Yes, that is exactly what happened when Asia Argento, formerly darling of the MeToo movement, was accused by a man who had sex with her when aged 17 in a state where that was under the age of consent. Support went to the guy, and Argento lost the friendship of Rose McGowan over it because she lied.
Belief is only an issue if your implied disbelief of the other party is known to them, or affects them. On an anonymous rape support sub on Reddit belief to anyone claiming to be a victim is automatic, playing detective is not allowed. Women on the sub believe the men raped by women every week, I've not seen an exception.
kurzweilfreak 3y ago
They won’t even apply their logic to other women who accuse men of their preferred political party.
antilopes 3y ago
If you're referring to Tara Reade, she has gigantic problems with her credibility. As with Julie Swetnick who made claims about Brett Kavanaugh, her credibility was so low that her claims though interesting could not be evaluated.
kurzweilfreak 3y ago
Kavanaugh had people protesting him through his confirmation hearings, screaming and calling him a rapist to his face because “believe all women” and #metoo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kavanaugh+protest&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS662US662&oq=kavanaugh+protest&aqs=chrome..69i57.25242j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Can you show me the same reactions to Tara Reade because “believe all women”?
antilopes 3y ago
Kav's confirmation was a circus or perhaps a big-time wrestling match because there was so much riding on it and Trump was so determined to ram him through regardless of the doubts about him.
Anatol_Felsen 3y ago
Ah yes fuck innocent until proven guilty right
MillySkittles 3y ago
Here’s hoping this person would immediately support the idea that if victim is indeed a liar, liar should face prison time for fucking up an innocent person’s life. A lot of these cases don’t seem to end this way however, and sickens me that I’m gender-connected to people with this twisted “logic”.
Klexosinfreefall 3y ago
I bet she supports Biden.
laptopdragon 3y ago
in other words; When she jumps to conclusions she should not have any accountability whatsover and damn those who stand in the way for truth over ignorance.
ElecricXplorer 3y ago
It’s fine to support someone but don’t attack the other person.
Ngroves 3y ago
I choose to put all black people in jail that are accused of crimes because they are more likely to commit it.
That’s what you sound like.
Mens_rights_matter2 3y ago
Innocent until proven guilty is not supporting a rapist it is following the righteous path towards justice. Feminists wants men guilty until proven guilty and women innocent until proven innocent.
Fried_Dace 3y ago
The only way to support the victim is to determine who the victim actually is. This person has no interest in reserving judgment or even conducting an investigation.
This is code for let me weaponize any allegation I make at any time and all women are victims and all men are bad.
WolfeBane84 3y ago
Okay, so they're for supporting statistics now?
Okay
Inserts FBI Crime Statistics here
flyredditguy 3y ago
Most people prefer facts, dumbo.
PapaTachancla 3y ago
I statistically wait until evidence is provided.
short_dude5ft3in 3y ago
She’s trying to cover up her sexism and hide behind statistical probabilities. Unfortunately, it not only shows that her gender prejudices, it also shows that she’s doesn’t understand how to use probabilities correctly. Sad, really.
MetroidJunkie 3y ago
Here's a statistic. The more blindly you believe accusers, the easier it is to abuse that. Also, they're always hypocritical about this because people like Joe Biden are always immune to accusers.
ReddditmodsRtrash 3y ago
This assumes that the statistics include rape and sexual harassment allegations that aren't actually counted, because they never go to court.
CCpoc 3y ago
I cant tell if I'm misreading this or not. In support does she mean side with? Because I completely disagree. You shouldnt side with anyone until the facts come out. Presumption of innocence exists for a reason.
If she means support in the sense of being there for someone who says they got raped I actually agree. Assuming said support doesn't include anything that negatively impacts the person being accused. This goes both ways, you should be there for someone who gets accused. Nobody's life deserves to be ruined over an allegation. But that does happen. Someone i consider a brother was falsely accused. Before anything even came out he got death threats on social media, got kicked out of JROTC and some other things. I was obviously there for him through that. Even had he done it, I wouldn't have any regrets. Everyone deserves to be treated as innocent until proven otherwise.
MountianMan8282 3y ago
I will not believe either person until evidence is placed in front of my face
TheMasterSword60 3y ago
What a cunt. You don't support shit until you have evidence.
furry8 3y ago
This applies to every court case/allegation
I would like to take this time to point out that this lady beat up and racially assaulted my black grandmother
irishman1987 3y ago
By this logic we should just imprison everyone accused of committing a crime because The Innocence Project has estimated that between 2.3 percent and 5 percent of all US prisoners are innocent, and this is within the false rape accusation tolerances that shes talking about
slimline7 3y ago
All I’m trying to say is when someone is accused of sexual assault they are automatically guilty rapists. Except when it’s political. She’s saying Biden is a rapist. She’s voting for him anyway. These people actively dox accused people and ruin their lives. However they are actively helping one become president of the US.
im_not_creative367 3y ago
If I do immediately support a victim Im supporting a false accuser and trying to imprison and innocent person, if I don't support a victim after the accused was found guilty then I am supporting a rapist. The accused isn't guilty until proven guilty.
MattR3T 3y ago
Exponentially this is dumb cause of people that do false accusations this becomes irrelevant
ringrawer 3y ago
If those who voted to allow women to vote could see the welfare state, family court horror cases, and false rape scandals like Duke & Kavanaugh would they allow women to vote?
ELPwork 3y ago
I'll support whoever has evidence.
CuRucious 3y ago
here's plenty
oneofchaos 3y ago
What a stochastic shithead.
name_me_7 3y ago
Why is a post about a potential rapist with no specification of gender posted in a subreddit dedicated specifically to men's rights?
FrankSavage420 3y ago
The only thing here problematic is the “IMMEDIATELY” part; ya gotta examine facts
Mangler51 3y ago
This is a major issue. The only response should be, what are the facts? Then think on them
FiveMoo 3y ago
The only time retards want to use math and statistics is to be as dumb as possible. We should ban people like this from math for life.
ethmer25 3y ago
Or maybe show support for the supposed victim without condemning a potentially innocent man of being a rapist. It's easy to do two things once. Just don't be a dick. Not every story has a clear bad guy and good guy. For all we know, she was indeed raped but is accusing the wrong guy.
Lui_Le_Diamond 3y ago
The chances are actually about the same.
offender_defender_ 3y ago
I love how she said defending a " rapist" and not an "accused", these misandrist pigs have already made up their mind.
prkrrlz 3y ago
Its not about what you fuckinf think it at first, its about what you KNOW at the END.
ZimbaZumba 3y ago
It is called the Prosecutors Fallacy. It is a dangerous line of argument that can ruin innocent lives.
fuzzy_bunnyx 3y ago
Going by statistics, most rape allegations don't end in conviction. The"statistical" decision would be to doubt the"victim".
ienisa 3y ago
Wtf has happened to basic principle of justice, presumption of innocence? I have seen at least 2 cases of false allegations in my life costing one person 2 years inprisonment and other his job.
So what is the source of this statistics, apart from someone’s ass?
AirplaneNote 3y ago
What if the victim is male?
AccioStardust 3y ago
Can I play devil's advocate and say there is a difference between support and ruin a mans life. If someone comes forth and says I was raped, then yes we should support her and take it serious. If that is what this post meant then I agree with her, but if she means we should immediately convict someone then I dont agree. Its unfair to assume which she means in this post. In my opinion its guilty until proven innocent.
mrmensplights 3y ago
Yeah, you don't have to go all in right away. You can reserve judgement. We can support both accusers and the accused.
Also, even setting aside her fallacious "reasoning", she's basing it on propaganda rather than actual statistics or numbers. Feminists simply found the study with the lowest number of cases where accusations were proven to be false, and use that to sell the idea that therefore the rest of all cases must be 'true'. Nope. The vast overwhelming majority of cases are proven neither false nor true.
RedPillMissionary 3y ago
So not supporting the victim = defending the rapist? “Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly punished.”
Terminal-Psychosis 3y ago
Not even a victim or rapist...
Not supporting the accuser is supporting the accused.
The entire thing is ridiculous, and their "statistics" are completely made up to boot.
DelsinTM 3y ago
True.
flyingasshat 3y ago
Me too. Due process.
BrandonCries 3y ago
You shouldn't believe in women or men, you should believe in facts
lefty929 3y ago
The flaw with this retard's logic is you shouldn't make a judgment call period.
Let it go through the courts, let the evidence come out, let this shit get handled proper.
You DON'T have to immediately do a god damn thing, especially not play judge or jury, especially when it can ruin someones life.
mysticalchimp 3y ago
Exactly. Support the victim but don't immediately condemn the perpetrator. Compassion on both sides will lead to a better outcome from all. Once the facts and stories have been established in court, both parties can move on easier since the rest of us have forgotten about them by then anyway.
irrelevantmoniker 3y ago
Since when was up to 60% a very small risk.
I get it. No really I do. We built a society that said that men would gain social standing bestowed by women in return for providing for them so we had to give them social purity to make them capable of bestowing social standing.
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But here's the problem. Women don't have social purity. We could pretend it in the past because we gave them limited rights. So their ability to cause harm was limited.
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But now they have the same ability to cause harm as any man, and society is still pretending. It's like we're still small children projecting our mother's flawlessness onto all women, it's time to grow the fuck up.
ThEGr33kXII 3y ago
It's that age old leftist thing, step on people's liberties in the name of peoples liberties. Can't make up some stuff...
horchard1999 3y ago
Do you have a source for that
xttamx 3y ago
It will always be completely kept hidden from the public eye but I think some of the sources are on www.realsexism.com
antilopes 3y ago
No. The 60% figure is the holy grail for rape denialists. It is a study nobody has read because it was suppressed by the evil feminists who rule the world. I've read a summary, it is a stupendously nuts rehashing of case files from the late 70s in which he decides that the majority of cases, which were deemed inconclusive, can actually be determined and 99% of them turn out false. Thomas had never seen such bullshit.
Grave_Heresy 3y ago
I have three issues with her position
Yes only 2-8% of rape accusations are provably false. But 35-40% are provably true. That means that roughly 60% of accusations are NOT provably true. Now this is not to say that the majority of accusations are undoubtedly false. But it is to say that the veracity of most accusations are questionable.
The typical process by which we establish guilt in modern nations is through investigations and legal trials. We don't establish guilt based on probability because even if you have a 99 to 1 chance of a truthful accusation, you don't know when the 1 out of 99 will occur.
trumpean 3y ago
Do you happen to have a source(s) for those percentages?
Grave_Heresy 3y ago
Sorry I cant attach pdfs in reddit so here are links. Unfortunately, if you don't have a sub to these journals you are going to be stuck only reading the abstracts (Which most people do anyway).
Otherwise, the pdfs for both articles are fairly easy to find for free with a little internet searching. Also. if you have an account with research gate you should be able to request full texts.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/49689129_False_Allegations_of_Sexual_Assualt_An_Analysis_of_Ten_Years_of_Reported_Cases
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287327655_Assessing_Police_Classifications_of_Sexual_Assault_Reports_A_Meta-Analysis_of_False_Reporting_Rates
There are many others but these have the best methodology imo.
trumpean 3y ago
Thanks! Just trying to lock down a few reputable sources to cite against the notion that false accusations are a negligible occurrence.
NoCSForYou 3y ago
There is no innocent on social media.
Grave_Heresy 3y ago
Truth!
Terminal-Psychosis 3y ago
Statistically, the chances are closer to 50/50.
Even if it was 5/95, their "logic" still = guilty until proven innocent, which, of course, is completely abusive.
BigNegroPeePee 3y ago
The right wa would be comforting the victim and waitning for evidence. If evidence supports victim, you support victim. If no, then support the accused. Done and done.
Kylo_Rennie 3y ago
Anyone else kind of want to blame her on her own post of sexual assault. There is a statically small chance we are lying.
GGeryx 3y ago
You gotta find out who the victim is first.
SlavNotDead 3y ago
Google “% proven rape allegations”
— every google result is “FALSE rape allegations are extremely rare” (usually they cite 6 or even 1%)
Google rape conviction
— turns out only about “1% of rapes” (they don’t even bother writing “allegations”) end up with an arrest.
Now, I am not a savant of statistics, but something tells me that the numbers do not add up. And I’ve got a funny feeling that it has something to do with the lack of the word “proven” in the first search result. Call it a hunch.
Ok, if you did not catch those mental gymnastics:
All unproven rape allegations count as rape unless you have proof that the woman lied. Three cheers for STATISTICS and journalism
antilopes 3y ago
There is a reason for not saying "allegation" when saying about 1% of rapes end up with an arrest. I imagine it is because they are referring to rapes as measured by national surveys (the BJS's NCVS), not allegations of rapes measured by police statistics.
The number I remember is that 2% of reports end up with jail time, and at most a quarter of rapes are reported, so about half a percent of rapes end in jail time.
InflatableDartboard2 3y ago
Or, OR, you could wait for all of the details to come out before you assign blame and pick sides.
Diomil 3y ago
Shouldnt we support the available evidence?
SekaLolaKato 3y ago
That's a nice false dilemma that shes presenting.
And false rape accusations actually aren't a statistical anomaly when put into context.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/7/false-sex-assault-reports-not-rare-reported-studie/
GamePlayXtreme 3y ago
This mentality might have ruined Johnny Depp's career and possibly also his life. And this is a celebrity example of it, it happens way more often amongst other people as well. Immediately supporting the accuser is a very bad idea.
xAtlasU 3y ago
Yo what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? That just disappear?
Juilyn 3y ago
johnny depp was automatically a POS till he proved otherwise.. when he did, they seemed to have moved on from the topic.. hmm
xAtlasU 3y ago
yep, seems like guilty until proven innocent now, which is a very dangerous precedent.
Juilyn 3y ago
only for men tho
Waterfire741 3y ago
This may be one of the longer and more irritating ways of saying "I can't distinguish between real and false dichotomies!" that I've read this week.
Neko404 3y ago
I was raped by this woman... Oh wait I have a penis sorry I forgot I can't be raped, I got lucky.
sora1899 3y ago
It's easy being distant when we talk about numbers. People who believe in this stuff should imagine themselves in that situation. Falsely accusated, with somebody else that thinks you are guilty "because statics"
Wagair75 3y ago
Statistics don't apply to individuals.
thealliedhacker 3y ago
This is the same thing as saying that we should just assume all black people are guilty of any crime, no evidence needed, because black people have higher conviction rates...
Heterodynist 3y ago
Not supporting someone who is an accuser does NOT automatically mean you support the accused rapist. There is such a thing as not taking a side. Wise people who aren’t utterly reactionary are the kind of people who stop and carefully consider their actions BEFORE choosing a side. There is no reason to be a reactionary idiot who doesn’t listen to the details and just uses completely biased thinking to choose a side based on being a bigot.
It’s so funny how people who accuse others of racism and bigotry are the biggest hypocrites I’ve ever met. They are universally biased bigots and racists themselves, who are demanding everyone else feel EXACTLY the same as they do. You can tell someone is biased when they are insisting you HAVE to agree with them, and that you have no choice in deciding for yourself what to think.
Whisper 3y ago
If I fire a 7.62x51mm semi auto rifle out my window in a random direction with my eyes closed, I run a statistically very small risk of hitting someone.
You okay with that?
Cromwellity 3y ago
Or you could maybe just reserve judgment until all the facts are in.
Crazy idea, huh?
highland_monkeys 3y ago
I was going to tweet back to her but she's hidden a lot of the comments someone doesn't like hearing others opinions.
T0GEK1SS 3y ago
I hate it when females play the pussy card
Whatcha want? Equallity or not, there are always 2 sides of the coin, you cant just coose one side without the other, sadly society allows exactly that....
Edit: I had to correct my german autocorrect
RoastedReviews 3y ago
I dont think these people know how to use statistics
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goodmod 3y ago
This is a hate post against women and has been removed.
You have been banned for one week. Don't slip up again.
Half-kratos2 3y ago
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UndeleteParent 3y ago
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BigChungusOnMyFungus 3y ago
How about you immediately support the actual evidence coming from each party
antilopes 3y ago
Regardless of how low you set the bar for evidence, there is often not enough of it to be helpful.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 3y ago
Soooo. About Tara Reade
YU5AKU 3y ago
those statistics would be flipped around pretty soon in that case
general-dumbass 3y ago
False dichotomy.
Pecuthegreat 3y ago
The support the Victim, which in many cases means supporting a victim of false accusation.
iResistBS 3y ago
We statistically ruined a economy over stats and models. Why not lives?
Requiresevidence 3y ago
'Prefer' is not really statistical terminology.
rvail136 3y ago
So, is Joe Biden a rapist or a victim? #BelieveAllWomen
J2501 3y ago
femeneo
emperorofatheron 3y ago
And this is why I drink
asdf333aza 3y ago
How dare we ask for PROOF that a crime occured? I don't support either side immediately. I hear the story and then ask for supporting evidence from both sides. That's how things are supposed to work in America. Innocent until proven guilty, but that seems to get lot in translation when it's man's word versus a women's word. Cause we should just automatically believe her cause she's a her. That makes no sense. Salem Witch Trials.
And even when the females get caught lying, they rarely ever face consequences for their attempt at ruining a man's life. While even an unfounded accusation can ruin a career.
yamchachachawolf1 3y ago
Or, you could, and bare me with me on this one- not take any side at all and wait until the facts are out???
antilopes 3y ago
No that doesn't work. For a start the facts don't usually come out. If there is a report to police there might be an interview, which might lead to an arrest, which might lead to a court appearance, which might lead to a conviction. If it does you can say you know the facts. If it doesn't you don't know what happened, you just know it was not provable beyond reasonable doubt. That can all take a year or two.
This is all academic to you. Your friendship failed long ago and the person has moved on and hopefully found a new friend group who trust them. Since trust is a prerequisite for a close friendship. You may still have them as an acquaintance.
omega552003 3y ago
Innocent
amiga9000 3y ago
Insane person alert
bjv2001 3y ago
Everything up until when she conflated lack of belief with disbelief was correct.
When somebody makes a claim, they have the burden of proof to demonstrate its validity, not the audience. Demonstrating a lack of belief in the face of little evidence is siding with the de-facto “innocent” not “not-guilty”. One also doesn’t have to side with the claim the moment it was produced by the accuser to desire it to be investigated fully.
That being said one should always handle serious accusations seriously.
Qwantvm 3y ago
Yeah, women like her that think that are honestly trash.
NorthPassion3 3y ago
Objection your honor. Foundation.
Gungnir1876 3y ago
How about we don't support anybody until after a thorough investigation uncovers the facts? Or is that too reasonable for the world in 2020?
antilopes 3y ago
Because people need support now not in a year's time. And because the police and court process does not usually lead to clarity about the facts sufficient to make a confident decision, unless they are found guilty. But that is quite rare.
History_PS 3y ago
By her logic I could right now accuse her of raping me and if you don't "immediately support" me then "you run a statistically very high risk of defending a rapist".....I'm sure she'd argue this logic doesn't apply if the supposed victim is a man though....
im_just_dreamy 3y ago
Do i have a choice? I either blindly follow someone who lied or blindly follow someone who lied. Either way there is a chance i wont win so id just stick with what i know. If there is no proof, i have to believe it didnt happen intil i can see there is proof
Armageddon-King 3y ago
Big words don’t help your opinions if you don’t know how to use them in a coherent manner
ernis45 3y ago
What words here are "the big words"?
Armageddon-King 3y ago
None. But the way she’s using it makes it seem like it.
Domkraft 3y ago
It's quite common today to talk about facts and statistics without producing any evidence for your case. Young people seem to think that as long as you "know" you have facts on your side you dont actually need to show it.
blackjackgabbiani 3y ago
This is exactly why "listen and believe" needs to mean "listen to the facts and believe who and what the facts support" and NOT "listen only to the accuser and believe everything they say no matter what".
Jcbm52 3y ago
In Spain, 60 % of gender violence sues are fake. Statistics?
Auntie_Hero 3y ago
False rape accusations are as high as 60%. That's statistically unwise to throw in with, but then again her support means nothing.
Lunatic_Cheshire_Cat 3y ago
It's all fun and games for her until someone claims that Audriana Bassis raped him/her.
[deleted] 3y ago
And this boys and girls is why statistics arent to be taken to seriously.
Archcultist_Curo 3y ago
Jesus Christ. There is never the option to review the case, only immediately support the “victim”- what happened to not dealing in extremes?
iamcalm18 3y ago
Assumption of innocence doesn't apply to rape apparently
LifeAboutNothing 3y ago
I'm just going to say on thing about this. This is dangerous would you follow a blind person if your blind yourself. (blind leading the blind)
slimline7 3y ago
There is a statistically very high risk she’s voting for Biden.
Requiresevidence 3y ago
OK, Putin.
Jakeybaby125 3y ago
What's wrong with Trump? At least he won't remove due process like Biden will if he gets in.
orcscorper 3y ago
Nobody mentioned Trump before you. Nobody claimed he would remove due process. Nobody said anything about Trump or die process, except you.
Any evidence that Biden will remove due process if he is elected President, or are you just saying more stupid shit?
gprime 3y ago
Well, I'd say there are multiple good pieces of evidence, namely:
He is the original author of VAWA, which introduced the Duluth Model, which establishes a framework of automatic male guilt.
He was VP during the Obama administration when the "Dear Colleagues" letter went out that compelled so many universities to formalize the standards now being undone thanks to DeVos.
Jakeybaby125 3y ago
Nope. Not stupid. The guy was saying that the other guy was Putin for having a preference for Trump.
Arthuyo 3y ago
What Canada did with this is terrifying
Jakeybaby125 3y ago
What did they do?
Arthuyo 3y ago
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/opinion/the-ghomeshi-rules-bill-c-51-creates-unprecedented-case-of-reverse-disclosure/270519
deegan79 3y ago
Make it so a defendant in any sexual assault or rape case must ask the judge’s permission to introduce electronic evidence that could be considered of a sexual nature. Bill C-51, sections 276 to 276.5.
https://lop.parl.ca/sites/PublicWebsite/default/en_CA/ResearchPublications/LegislativeSummaries/421C51E#a32
Jakeybaby125 3y ago
Fuck me! That'll lead to a lot of innocent men being jailed. They need to put the onus on the accuser to prove it happened.
deegan79 3y ago
A big part of why they passed this is that a number of women accused a man named Jian Ghomeshi of sexual assault and rape, and he was able to produce electronic records proving they colluded to accuse him. This resulted in his being aqquited of all charges.
antilopes 3y ago
Those records were obviously relevant to the case so would have been admitted. That would have tipped off the prosecution that the case would collapse, so they would have withdrawn it before the trial started wouldn't they?
deegan79 3y ago
There’s a big push in European based legal systems to convict men in any SA case they’re accused, so evidence like that makes it hard to get those convictions. One of the claims coming from feminists these days is that hardly any men accused of SA get convicted, so they’ll do anything to keep evidence that might exonerate the man- or make things sufficiently murky that it’s nigh impossible to say if the man did what he’s accused of- out of the courtroom. If c-51 had been in effect during Ghomeshi’s trial, the electronic records showing the women’s collusion would not have been allowed, since, according to the wording of c-51, the records in question ‘had nothing to do with the events causing the trial to take place’.
fookin_lazer_sight 3y ago
Or I could wait till all the facts are out, then make my judgement based off of those facts instead of ruining someone's life only to find out it was a false accusation
Destigeous 3y ago
while we are at it we may as well make the verdict just like that.
nurseynurse77 3y ago
What if you just be impartial and wait for the evidence? Idk why people feel they need to take sides on every issue.
vicious_armbar 3y ago
Believe all... evidence!
ericmarti-ruiz 3y ago
God she’s so disingenuous it’s honestly a high risk on both accounts, people are evil and will lie to ruin someone’s life just bc they felt like it but we need to believe all women cuz they’re victims, they the same victims that can cry on command and are valued more in the legal system than men and half the time they ain’t victims they’re the abuser
k3rn3lhack3r 3y ago
She's applying subjectivism to something which MUST be examined objectively, regardless of statistics.
Having said that, recent studies from the Police forces imply that 90% of rape allegations may be fake.
Therefore, by her logic it is better to support the accused; as they fall within the larger statistical distribution.
antilopes 3y ago
WTF? You can't just blurt that out without a source.
k3rn3lhack3r 3y ago
https://mississippitoday.org/2018/09/19/fact-check-mcdaniels-claim-that-women-fake-99-percent-of-sexual-assault-claims/
antilopes 3y ago
WTF? Your source flatly contradicts you: "our reporters were unable to find a single study that backed up this claim but found several that proved the vast majority of rape accusations are true".
You are quoting a Mississippi senator in the middle of a shitfight over confirmation of Kav The Man Who Likes Beer And Has Beliefs On Double Jeopardy Which Could Prevent Trump From Being Jailed By SDNY.
You are not citing "recent studies from police forces", just a baseless blurt by a senator.
It was a statement not an implication.
He claimed 99% false not 90% false.
He said "are false" not "may be false".
All below is from the article:
• 2017 – A study in the Journal of Forensic Psychology, using FBI data, determined that about 5.5 percent of all rape accusations between 2006 and 2010 were false.
• 2016 – A study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior concluded that 5.2 percent of rapes were “confirmed false,” though the study’s authors suggested that, because the study relied only on confirmed false reports, the actual percentage of false rapes was “likely greater than 5 percent.”
• 2014 – Using 2008 data provided by the Los Angeles Police Department and a grant from the U.S. Department of Justice, researchers determined that 4.5 percent of rapes were false.
Studies also show that rapes are consistently under reported in comparison to other crimes. Only 31 percent of rape victims report the crimes while 62 percent of robbery victims and 63 percent of assault and battery victims report the crime.
Most women are sexually assaulted by someone they know. Eight in 10 victims of sexual assault report knowing their attacker.
k3rn3lhack3r 3y ago
On the contrary, you asked for my source, that was my original source which clearly supports my claim.
All of the studies you provided, can be refuted with studies counterpointing the stats.
The reality is that around 99% of all rape accusations are false.
antilopes 3y ago
Your source is a baseless assertion by a senator, who was obviously not speaking literally. Even so you misquoted him in four ways.
I didn't provide those studies, YOU did! They are quoted directly from your source in a single complete block.
The only way this makes sense is if you don't know about the subject, did a google search and just grabbed this link from the headline, but did not read the article.
Mississippi senator pulling an insane number out out of his ass for rhetorical emphasis does not support anything. If you want to make a claim you need to provide credible support for it e.g. the three studies mentioned in that article which find 5%-6%, that being the individually proved rate for one study ie only part of the FAs.
You can't supply a puff of ass gas and call it "the reality". Nor can you refute those three studies in your article with others, because you don't know this field yet. It isn't rocket science but it is also often not intuitive. It takes a lot of reading around to get a grip on it. The statistics used is not fancy but it is often not clear what the numbers indicate, as normal in human sciences.