A study found that men with low testosteron levels have wider smiles. Among women, this relationship largely does not exist.
"In a study of possible links between testosterone and dominance, 119 men and 114 women provided saliva samples for testosterone assay and posed smiling and not smiling for portrait photographs. Expert judges viewing the photographs found smaller smiles among high than low testosterone men, with less zygomatic major (raising the corners of the mouth) and orbicularis oculi (raising the cheeks and crinkling around the corners of the eyes) muscle activity. Naive judges viewing individual photographs gave higher potency ratings to smiling high testosterone men than smiling low testosterone men. Naive judges viewing photographs grouped into high and low testosterone sets gave higher potency and lower goodness ratings to high than to low testosterone men, regardless of whether they were smiling. Among women, judges found only slight relationships between testosterone and facial appearance. The pattern among men of less smiling with higher testosterone levels fits with research linking testosterone to face-to-face dominance."
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024947801843
So, probably beta males have wider smiles when talking to women? What do you think from your experience?
MrStone1 5y ago
I intentionally force a large smile when I meet people, I want them to know I'm pleased to see them, Especially if they're my friends, and it disarms people who aren't known to me quite effectively, And if they are cunty in any way they will reveal it sooner, Your day to day is full of smiling people that way too.
I smile at strangers to, Especially the ones who look like they never smile or have frown furrows!
They smile too!
They all smile!
Smile!
Smile!
Smile!
Hehe, I like that word...
Smiiieeeeeeele!
Throwaway_5252 5y ago
An example of what the article is most likely referring to https://imgur.com/a/ilOqv5T
You attempting to pull of the same no-smile.
https://imgur.com/a/iLxTaFS
skillfullturk 5y ago
This is very true. The less you smile the more women come around you. Especially at the gym. I never smile. Women are scared to approach me but when ever i do talk to someone i do know. They stop their music and listen in to our convo.
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MisterRoid 5y ago
I'm going to become the supreme alpha male. From now on I shall never smile.
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Retstortion 5y ago
I’m currently on a testosterone cycle and I am more serious, less giddy, more confident (obviously stronger) maintain eye contact longer
Overall just feel my presence is more dominant
Horny as fuck, outgoing more aggressive
OP is correct lol
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ZeusTheTrueGod 5y ago
Transition to an awesome male from a below the average male? Lol, most people have zero ideas about testosterone. Cycling / TRT makes you a superhuman
iheartdickpixx 5y ago
i dont have any ideas about testosterone but i do have some knowledge about it.
oh, and it was a fucking joke. youre all morons.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
No, sleeping everyday in a hyperbaric chamber makes you superhuman. What you're feeling is "jacked", which is a common side effect of testosterone.
Brutal13 5y ago
Tell me more about cycling why it makes you a superhuman?
ZeusTheTrueGod 5y ago
You get an increased mood and a feeling of confidence. Beside that, your body restores faster, thus you get better gains in the gym. More than that, you get an increased hunger and your food is more effective for building muscles. Obviously, you get more desire to women, although an elevated E2 may fuck up you a bit here, you need to find what is your best E2 level.
Brutal13 5y ago
Аааа. Got it, I was thinking you spoke about cycling(a bicycle/MTB)
ZeusTheTrueGod 5y ago
Wow, that is hilarious. But I get a similar effect quite regularly, when I say "Earlier, when I was natural" I mean when I was not injecting testosterone, but most people see the phrase in a different way, because natural/straight is synonym in Russian language ;)
Brutal13 5y ago
Haha. Got it! I'm Russian as well.
lifeisweirdasfuck 5y ago
It’s ok to smile. Just don’t look like a clown. A smirk is even better.
Nutman-maddog 5y ago
Study makes sense why women also encourage/nag men to smile more when doing things like getting a picture taken. Its the beta-fication. AWALT.
JcHgvr 5y ago
Study: Broscience still rampant on redpill sub.
TheRedPike 5y ago
TIL: NSF is "brosience"
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khabutu 5y ago
Other people smiling when you smile isn't caused by "your frame sucking them in". Humans have mirror neurons which fire in social situation so they can easily copy the social cues of other humans. Also a more accurate description of that effect would be you are "projecting your frame onto their minds."
Morphs_ 5y ago
The concept of "mirror neurons" has been grossly exaggerated, most often by people who haven't read any scientific research about the limitations of the whole concept.
I rather support wiffofass on this one. People are intimidated and conform by smiling as well, as to not 'upset' the alpha.
ahab_dies 5y ago
Don't smile and women will think I'm alpha? Got it.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
This Ally McBeal all over again. Reportedly, the character never smiled until she was 35 because she didn't want wrinkles.
enkae7317 5y ago
In primates, chimps show their teeth (smile) as a form of submissiveness to the more alpha counterpart. Not saying we're chimps but... makes you think.
BigLittlePenguin_ 5y ago
We are just a higher evolved form of primate, some of the general rules apply to us to us as well. Jordan Peterson mentioned the same thing in one of his lectures to be true for humans as well.
daytonbull90 5y ago
They show their teeth when they're generally afraid. We do the same thing...
Have you ever ridden a roller coaster?
cumfortably_dumb 5y ago
I suppose there a difference between a big smile and a grin.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
This is a grin. No question in differences.
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Chimps showing their teeth is a sign of aggression.
Fapisluv 5y ago
Most animals showing their teeth is aggression. Primates showing their teeth is a sign of submission.
TheCreator_101 5y ago
A smiling expression with teeth is a chimps look of fear.
ahmetsaka 5y ago
This sounds so fking bullshit.
AngryBird225 5y ago
TIL: MacDonald's hires a lot of dominant men.
RedPillAlphaBigCock 5y ago
The whole thing is shit.
LOOK HERE. LISTEN:
Real smiling is great. Being in a good mood and having fun is great.
Genuine smiles are great.
Fake smiles are super beta, people pleasing and reaction seeking.
Be genuine.
anonusernametaken 5y ago
^This
Over thinking how much you smile will just make you more awkward.
Th3AssKicker 5y ago
At the end of the day just tell people to act natural , can't hide being a beta
WillyWonka321 5y ago
Smiling a lot comes across as you trying to be accepted in the social group. Trying to get approval from the tribe. People tend to see you as a push over. Thus beta. It makes sense. Smiling helps you to look approachable which is true but also tends to make you look goofy. I noticed most lead alpha characters in movies smile less if not at all.
Kobinks 5y ago
Another fine peice of autistic analysis, bravo.
vandaalen 5y ago
This was exactly which I came here to say. Some nofap faggots will now up their game and exercise not smiling.
Also t-levels from saliva tests are bogus and you can discard them. If you ever think of testing yourself, get the necessary bloodwork done. Read the wiki of r.testosterone to learn how.
Killing__Time_ 5y ago
You mentioned you were from EU a while ago. Do you get your T-levels checked frequently? And do you get them done by your regular doctor, or a service that extends to the entire EU?
vandaalen 5y ago
Correct. I am from Germany to be precise.
I more or less supervise everything myself. I think I have become better educated than my doctor and I mostly use him to get my prescriptions.
I have a lab where I go and get my levels checked. They draw the blood there and I will have results in the afternoon of the same day.
I pay for everything myself though, which is way with the least resistance and problems.
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donkey_democrat 5y ago
I would imagine there is still a general correlation to the true test level though, if maybe less accurate
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abyoosthroughaweigh 5y ago
Engage: —SHIT EATING GRIN—
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lmao!
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Mr-Ed209 5y ago
Beta males have a submissive tonality in their speech from the get go. They automatically bow frame to whoever might want it to appease conflict. If you've ever worked in customer service and dealing with an irate customer you know the frame you sink into to try and appease them; soft voiced, wide eyed 'yes I understand sir..' Or dealing with a boss and laughing at his shit jokes to try and win favour.
Men who are more guarded with their expressions are trustworthy and respectable. That's not to say you should spend your entire life squinting at people and responding monosyllabically. Knowing when to be 'confrontational' is a great skill especially in any encounter that is a negotiation. Most encounters with women you want to fuck are a negotiation of value to one another.
Hammer_Tit 5y ago
Alpha male expression : Dominant, undeterred
Beta male expression : Agreeable, submissive
TunedtoPerfection 5y ago
Naive judges viewing individual photographs gave higher potency ratings to smiling high testosterone men than smiling low testosterone men. Naive judges viewing photographs grouped into high and low testosterone sets gave higher potency and lower goodness ratings to high than to low testosterone men, regardless of whether they were smiling. <-- This is how most women will respond emotionally to you.
Women are not "expert judges", they are just normal Naive people like you and me...
cafeorange 5y ago
When im smiling walking around. Im actually on heckcare autopilot mode. When im serious in thoughts, i lose the smile.
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img_guy 5y ago
Teeth baring in mammals is body language signaling that an individual is not afraid, regardless if that is a friendly smile from a human or a dog snarling at an intruder or challenger.
BigLittlePenguin_ 5y ago
Primates are different, they show teeth towards a thread as a submissive behavior
img_guy 5y ago
Yeah, submission doesnt always mean someones afriad
xtsv 5y ago
Lol, not smiling is a sign of insecurity, men should be a balance of dominance and security.
A 350lb 6'8" bodybuilder most likely doesn't get laid as much as a 190lb jock as the bodybuilder is obviously trying to compensate for something which repels women.
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Karmapana 5y ago
You're a bit of an intelectual autist ????
3d_truth 5y ago
Thanks for posting this man. All this time Ive been smiling and enjoying life like a cuck! I'm such an idiot!
Karmapana 5y ago
Because of this guy's wise words, I've already made my appointment. Plastic surgery so I can't smile at all anymore. I've been enjoying life too much, figures. shrugs
Fuck_You_Pay_moi 5y ago
TL;DR ^ If you ever laugh or smile you’re a beta faggit
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throwaway-aa2 5y ago
Serious: ( not sarcastic ): what books / teachings / sites are you getting these teachings. I'm interested. It's EXTREME for sure, but it does make a whole lot of sense.
Fuck_You_Pay_moi 5y ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvR0RwLhM4
forgetful_storytellr 5y ago
You’re way off bro. Excessive smiling is corny as hell but if you don’t know how to have a good time in a social setting you are coming off as an out of touch loser. I don’t care how much you bench, either.