SUMMARY: I fucked a girl that I had written off as 'crazy', and in doing so learned a valuable lesson.
BODY: We've all heard the warnings of "Don't stick your dick in crazy" and "Don't shit where you eat." Well, I fucked up and did both. About a month ago I started banging a girl that's, 1. Batshit insane, and 2. Currently living in my same apartment building. Why on earth would I do this? There's absolutely no good explanation other than 'hot girl + testosterone'. Since we started fucking, it's been a lot of emotional ups and downs (for her) as well as fairly often shit tests, although they've become less frequent in the last couple weeks. The primary benefits for me have been amazing sex 2-3 times a week and a few meals she's brought me.
But the greatest benefit, by far, is what I've learned from dealing with her. You see, this girl shit tests me often, texts me constantly, showers me with compliments the day after we fuck, becomes emotionally 'vulnerable' (which I suspect is beta bait) and 'threatens' (lol) me with cutting off sex whenever I don't comply (which I usually don't.) I completely ignore nearly everything she says, not because I'm some stoic master but because I knew going into this that she was nuts and that everything she says is bullshit. She'll text me a few paragraphs of nonsense, depending on her mood, and I'll reply with a line or two responding to only one thing she said. Essentially, NOTHING SHE SAYS MATTERS! This is the lesson, and it hit me even harder when I realized something else: she isn't REALLY crazy, she's just hot and rich and has never, or very rarely, faced negative repercussions for what she says or does. Most men, when faced with something so beautiful and volatile, would absolutely crumble and succumb to this girl's vortex. I've seen her texts with other guys and laugh that any other man out there takes her seriously. I talked this over with a female friend of mine and let her read through our messages, and she agrees: this girl isn't much more crazy than your average girl, she just doesn't have a filter because she's never needed one.
So what does this mean in the long run? I applied this mental frame of ignoring her shit to every other girl out there and realized that nothing these broads say matters. It's all bullshit, and if you treat it as such you'll be much more successful with women but also have much less drama in your life.
CONCLUSION: I fucked a crazy girl that helped me develop a stronger frame.
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Let me be 100% clear....my wife and I have fought over stupid crap for years. YEARS!!! I just today found out in my own that 90% of what she’s saying is nonsense. She’s a good person, but it’s when the emotions are driving the conversation I don’t even respond to what she says, instead I man up, make a decision and move forward. 99% of the time a man is steering a ship at sea and the hurricane is the woman’s emotions. So what you’re saying here makes complete sense!
thepontiff_ 5y ago
Paragraphs of Nonsense ????????????
Great name for the red pill group’s debut album
Edit: Track 1 - Nothing She Says Matters
RunawayGrain 5y ago
To the tune of Joan Jett's 'We're All Crazy Now'
She's so perfect and she's tugging me off
And she don't want it in in her hair ooh ooh ooh ooh
She's right in there but she keeps saying she's not a sloot
But really I don't care ooh ooh ooh ooh
My cock keeps rubbing the paint off her face
Next morning she texts nonsense but ooh ooh ooh ooh
Nothing She Says Matters
You can do what you want
With frame and this crazy chicks hole.
She's all crazy now
She's all crazy now
thepontiff_ 5y ago
This is Awesome ???????? ????????????????
We need to book a group studio session ASAP!!!!!!!
YetisInAtlanta 5y ago
If you need a skin floutist I’m your guy
six-bible 5y ago
It's funny the lack of awareness in these posts.
She's probably writing an article to Cosmo.com saying that she doesn't listen to any of your nonsense and raving diatribes either.
"Oh yeah he's raving about redpill this and stoicism that and some evolutionary biology bullshit ... I just tell him let's fuck again, bring him some Chinese takeout, and he'll basically stfu at that point like a happy dog"
Funny shit. You've given no examples or analysis about anything, other than 'girls be crazy yo' - and we can't even trust that, knowing nothing about you or whether you live in a trailer park.
ghostinapill 5y ago
So instead of AWALT you learned AWACSIT? (All Women Act Crazy So Ignore Them)
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TonytheNetworker 5y ago
Sounds similar to girls who are BPD. They constantly shit test, will try to control you emotionally, among other things. If you can pass the test you come out with a much stronger frame.
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PrettyBelowAverage 5y ago
Can someone give an example or examples of ignoring? Or the 'way' of ignoring that you use?
I know it sounds dumb to ask, I just feel I give way too much attention on useless shit that a girl makes seem important; and I typically find it hard to tell when what she says IS important, I'm not sure if that is due to her not really saying much of importance or if it is me just thinking that every big deal she makes is a topic of discussion.
EnragedParrot 5y ago
What's important is what you have to say.
Practically nothing she says is important.
This is a basis of maintaining frame.
PrettyBelowAverage 5y ago
I really like this, puts it into perspective for me.
Thank you, seriously.
EnragedParrot 5y ago
Glad to help.
I'm no RP master, but as a middle-aged guy I have a lot of memories to connect the dots.
Additionally I have a younger friend who is naturally RP. Pretty fun to watch him and see RP ideas play out. (Don't think he even knows what RP is!)
PrettyBelowAverage 5y ago
Care to give any examples of situations with him you've seen played out?
I'm just interested, thanks again brotha!
EnragedParrot 5y ago
Can't think of any specifically, off-hand.
But one of the most interesting things I see him do all the time, with women and with men, is control conversations.
Rarely does he respond directly to what someone says, and often doesn't respond to their point at all. The conversation goes where he leads it. Without being overbearing or an ass. It's impressive. He does it with me and I'm 20 years older than him, known him since he was 15.
atticusfinch1973 5y ago
You've given no example where anything she does is insane beyond acting like a regular woman. Even your friend confirmed she isn't crazier than the average girl.
Sounds like you're bragging about getting laid for some reason.
animal_one 5y ago
She isn't crazy, that's the point. I walked in assuming she was, and subsequently wrote off everything she said as nonsense. Therefore, I did not give merit to anything she said and actually ignored the substance of her words. The lesson here is not that I fucked a crazy girl, it's that I ignored all of her bullshit (because I assumed she was nuts) and enjoyed success.
falconpush 5y ago
The deductive info about what fuels her behavior and non-filter, is the impressive take away here. The accidental "retention of frame" in this though, is pure luck, it seems more due to thinking she was mentally disturbed than holding your frame. (kinda fuckd up acting on that impulse if u ask me but whatev)
Your flawed theory of her mental state, still led to a good discovery in frame. Results are results, no matter how you arrived at them.
redrogue12 5y ago
Now for the next lesson: Nothing He Says Matters.
roec01 5y ago
Thank you for sharing your experience.
monsieurhire2 5y ago
You fucked a crazy girl in your apartment building because of a scarcity mentality.
animal_one 5y ago
Sure, but we all have a scarcity mentality at some point. If you've been fucking 6's and the occasional 7 for the last 18 months and stumble upon an 8/9, you'll probably exhibit some signs of scarcity mentality. I am not some red pill super hero that is constantly slaying 9s and 10s. I work 70 hours a week and live in a small city, there aren't a whole lot of opportunities here.
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monsieurhire2 5y ago
I'm not condemning you or belittling you, merely stating it a bit bluntly. Once, I moved into a new apartment complex. The woman that lived above me was quite attractive, although older. It was clear that she was interested. But I stayed away because:
A. She appeared mentally unbalanced; B. She lived in my building, so if things went south, she could invade my privacy at will, or at least, trigger paranoia in me; C. There are other women out there;
When you say that there aren't a lot of opportunities, that is your perception. You can always find ways of creating more. Also, grabbing at the low-hanging fruit means you miss all the fruit that is tucked away in odd corners. You sacrifice opportunities when you grab easy women. Of course, eschewing easy women might mean not getting laid, possibly ever, so everything is a risk and a hedge.
But when you live in the same building AND they are crazy; that's a double whammy.
Crazy women can destroy your life. If they live in the same building, it is super easy for them to mess with you because you are close by and constantly triggering them.
[deleted] 5y ago
You put yourself at risk of false allegations that could come after she stops getting enough of what she wants. Crazy is not worth it, no matter how, as you say, "hot"
animal_one 5y ago
True, but I'm moving across the country in a few months and figured the risk was worth it.
Shychien 5y ago
It only takes 5 minutes to write a shitload of lies on facebook and ruin your life.
ttt911 5y ago
If she's hot and crazy chances are she won't have to because she can fuck any guy she wants after he leaves, if not she's already fucking other guys. I've dated a legit with diagnostic mental girl and all the shit she gave me stopped when I ghosted her. She's with another poor sucker.
ThatOneDrunkUncle 5y ago
I'm sure there are much worse stories here than a girl who texts you and shit tests you
animal_one 5y ago
The story isn't about how she's crazy. The story is about how I accidentally learned a lesson on frame by writing this girl off as crazy from the start and ignoring her words, texts, emotional outbursts, etc.
BlastCorporation 5y ago
Yes a bit misleading so maybe he just should re-work the title but otherwise good point.
gbdoragnic 5y ago
I like this post at first I thought you were going to try to convince man not to stick their dick and crazy, so I was all ready to write a rebuttal , but after reading the entire thing you really shared some valuable knowledge.
> I fucked a crazy girl that helped me develop a stronger frame.
The same reason I did, I did it to grow and learn and to test theories, crazy girls are more connected and more willing to let you mind fuck them because they will try and mind fuck you
[deleted] 5y ago
Look at you out and about in the field having fun with the principals, good for you man.
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Blackhawk2479 5y ago
They are all crazy, and all bullshitters, so yeah. AWALT.
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Some are crazier than others. learn where your cutoff is.
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EscortSportage 5y ago
Broads (my favorite word) cheers brother, great learning exp.
PabloAsscrowbar 5y ago
Maybe, just maybe, your girl is not really crazy. My definition of crazy is BPD crazy, the one that love-bombs you, destroys your friendship with others and start false rape allegations (or stalking you) after break-up
animal_one 5y ago
Correct, that's my point. She's not crazy, but I learned a valuable lesson about frame control by treating her as such.