There is a myth that abounds on TRP that women in the 50's were somehow superior to modern women. And yet descriptions of women in that era sound as if they were written by a modern man.
1946 "So they like us clean-shaven! Well, even with three-day stubble we don’t look as bad as some of them look with their war paint."
"wish girls would realize most of us are in the 65-12 Club—65 dollars a month for 12 months—GI Bill of Rights stuff. You’d never know it from the way they suggest the Stork Club for a date."
"If it’s just to meet a man that they come to college—tell them to stay home. We’ll find them.”"
"Now let’s not treat this as an indictment of all American womanhood. For surely, there must be some women left in this fair land who still retain those feminine graces Grandma knew in the days of lavender and lace. But there’s an ever-increasing segment of the country’s female population which is all-out to prove it’s a woman’s world—and to hell with the war-worn GI who’d like to seek self-assertion somewhere other than behind a door labeled “Gent’s Room.”"
Sound almost like a lamentation from the modern era.
"Several days ago I met an old friend who expressed considerable doubt as to the strength of his wartime marriage. He had served outside of the country for a full three years and he’s now discovering that this business of readjustment isn’t done by the numbers."
"Women are afraid of all kinds of things. Financial insecurity is only one of them. Women are afraid of physical hardship, physical danger, illness, the dark, lizards, mice and insects to list a few. This is understandable because women are constituted to fear things more intensely than is reasonable, and there isn’t much a man can do about it. But when female fears prevent a man from doing things he wants to do, it’s time to blow the whistle, time for a declaration of male independence from womanish worries!
It’s more than a question of man’s personal satisfactions; the very character of the United States as a nation is at issue. Pete’s wife did damage to Pete, but her kind of thinking—the womanish security-above-all-else philosophy—also does damage to our once lusty country. Multiply Pete’s wife by several million, and you have an attitude that softens the nation’s economic guts.
Women are making their fears felt more and more strongly in the national life. We are becoming increasingly a nation of big corporation employees, men like Pete whose jobs yield safety but don’t lead to glory and high adventure. Women don’t deserve all the blame for this, but they should get much of it. Women are the traditional guardians of home and hearth. Their overriding concern for security, like a great perfumed blanket, has smothered many equally important concerns."
https://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/09/02/what-men-complained-about-women-50-and-100-years-ago/
Fontess 6y ago
Women in 50s werent any better than women today. Society just forced them to behave else they would have really tough life. Today, we dont expect anything of women and if you do you are pure evil. Society has 0 expectations of women and doesnt hold them to any standard. They can do whatever they want cause we as men let them.
Aloha_kakou 6y ago
Let them? Ooph. This forum is sad. Who is actually writing the stuff on here?
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Ahh the good ol’ cuck in its natural habitat. Take a gander people
DouglasPR 6y ago
men got weaker. they, awalt as always, since the dawn of time
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Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Wait what? How did you find this out? She spoke about it openly?
Librehombre 6y ago
{{But when female fears prevent a man from doing things he wants to do, it’s time to blow the whistle, time for a declaration of male independence from womanish worries!}}
I would love to see a study about start up companies in Silicon Valley and elsewhere.
Once you are married you cant do a start up most likely, becuase all the resources are to keep mom happy and not to risk on business. Lose your resources lose your puss, most likely the rule stopping business formation by middle class males.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
You're 100% right. Read the story of Pete in the link I posted. He worked in some decent job at the bank, but wanted adventure and danger in his life. That opportunity was presented to him when he got the chance to own his own boat building yard, his wife was against it as she did not want to take risks and wanted to remain safe.
Women kill men's dreams....if he let's them, which Pete did.
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Which is rather ironic since they lust most heavily after men who took risks and succeeded.
waldo888 6y ago
after they succeeded. No woman is there through the shit.
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They will if they're young or if they're desperate. They tend to stick around a bit in those cases but will leave if it takes too long or if they lose faith. But you won't know until thier gone.
waldo888 6y ago
ya and they lose faith is there is any shit. no busness start up was free from extreme risk and stress. Good luck getting a woman to stick though that unless you guys have loads of money already.
RunawayGrain 6y ago
Pretty choice stuff in there:
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Sounds like modern hipster girls.
Sound like girls trying to turn guys into orbiters. AWALT
Narcissist456 6y ago
You have a valid point. AWALT, even in the 50’s. However, there were cultural and societal standards in place that helped reign in hypergamy and single motherhood.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Sixty years ago there was still a social stigma attached to being a single mother as well as fewer social programs and looser child support laws. Plus, cheap and effective birth control was still a ways away.
Women weren't "better" back in the day but they had fewer opportunities for bad behaviour and more severe consequences.
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Martel_732_Tours 6y ago
Get what your saying, but the levels of narcissism and delusion amongst the fairer sex are unparalleled by today's youngest generations.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Only b/c the current technology, mobiles and internet especially, can provide what they seek in abundance and in an instant. The underlying cause is still the same.
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Doubtful. That vanity and superficial distractions of women are LONG told tales across culture and time. The world changed to allow greater indulgence but women are the same. Writers and philosophers have long ago surmised the very conclusions we can now prove true.
Martel_732_Tours 6y ago
Yeah no shit. The difference is women 100 years ago didn't have access to 24 hour validation. This has encouraged already pre-existing shit behaviours to the max.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Eh, not too certain that is the case. Reading the choicey bits, it seems women where narcissistic even back in the 19th century.
FREEDNA 6y ago
Very true.. but 19th century thots couldn't get drunk off validation juice by having 110,000 followers on instagram
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scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Lol yeah gonna have to disagree with your thesis here bud. Women still sucked back then but they are far worse today. It's no myth that women have declined from their already annoying behavior in times past.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
I'm also going to disagree with Chaddeus. Women have always been fundamentally lazy and selfish, but the post is a bunch of cherry-picking. Yes, women have always had affairs while the men were off to war -- SINCE THE FUCKING ANCIENT GREEKS AND BEFORE. But shit is out of control now.
Also totally disagreeing with the following:
I was in college in the 1980s and 90s, and I thought the women were fucking delightful.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
I would put it differently: shit appeared to be in control back then b/c we didn't have technology (mobiles, social media and TRP) to see how shit really was.
This is why when we compare "what we saw back then" and "what we see now", makes us think the contrast is stark. In reality there was little to no difference, we simply didn't see the things as good as we can see them now.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
And you are correct sir. Anybody disagreeing, just fucking read the Bible. I'm not kidding. 5,000 years, no difference.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Perhaps that was due to the circles you were in? I'm certain a guy in a modern frat that fucks tons of sorority girls with relative ease finds women delightful as well.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
I get your point, but blech. Sorority girls are the rankest garbage on campus. I'm not saying I wouldn't fuck two per week, but I sure would NOT consider them delightful.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Eh, if those are the only girls you know or have experienced they can be quite pleasant because you have nothing to compare it to.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
God that is a depressing thought. And now I'm thinking about the first real girlfriend I had that I could have sex with as often as I wanted, anywhere anytime, in a laundry room at a party, in her best friend's bed, wherever. I thought it was the most delightful thing in the world. I couldn't quite believe that I could get sick of her, but I sure as hell did. After only four months or so.
In support of your original point then, this has ALWAYS been true: no matter how beautiful she is, someone somewhere is sick of fucking her.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Now that is an astute observation.
I take off my hat to you for such an observation. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
I wish I had heard that BEFORE I knew how true it was; I probably would have thought the guy saying it was crazy. But it has been confirmed by experience many times.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
They were the same. Read the link more in depth, about how they screwed over GIs and were shallow and vain. Same damn thing. It only seems worse now because you lack perspective, as most generations do - that think their women are the worst.
thetotalpackage7 6y ago
Yeah, but at least they fucking cooked, cleaned and weren't social media obsessed retards. Plus a guy could bang his secretary without thinking he was going to go to jail. Sure they were annoying then too, but men of the 40's knew how to keep a chick inline.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Eh, from what I know of the past they didn't seem to do much of that anyways, especially if they were high society (and not low class, prole) women.
And judging from the snippets, if social media existed back then, they'd be just as addicted to it as now.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Your comment is very funny, basically proves RP and OP:
IOW if you're an alpha...
...women will be nice and compliant to you.
Also do notice that you're assuming that women were different back then b/c MEN were different back then. So it's either WE that we're keeping them in check OR men back then were not all alpha at all and your comment is what you IMAGINE how things were back then.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Na. The rates of infidelity and cock carousel riding have skyrocketed since then. And that's one of the core metrics of gauging the quality of women.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
According to whom? Women have just become more open about it, but it was huge even back then. Go read some contemporary accounts of Victorian London to see how much illicit shagging was going on between members of all social classes. Men and women just had to be even more discreet back then.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
Not to mention the location of brothels was common knowledge.
Chaddeus_Rex 6y ago
Exactly. There's a reason much Victorian era literature explores a persons duality. Take Jekyll and Hyde for example. Jekyll voluntarily turns from a respectable doctor into Hyde in order to be able to visit brothels and other establishments of this nature under a different identity. Sure its fiction, but fiction mirrors social currents of the day.
Or take Jack London. An excellent American author. He liked to engage in sex with various women on the carpet in his living room. I read his biography and he was quite open about it.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Na. Sorry not buying it. I'm sure there was plenty of extramarital sex, but I'd bet a fuckton of money that the bell curve of notch counts of girls today is way way beyond the 50s and prior. Don't kid yourself, they've declined assuredly. AWALT and hypergamy still applied back then, but the social system in place kept it in check better than the non-system today.
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Trooper_1868 6y ago
mate there is also more people now. Look at the population doing it. 50% of 1 million is a lot less than 50% of 10 million. Math man, math.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
From what /u/Chaddeus_Rex wrote I assume he read some source material, therefore he has at least some evidence of how things were.
You on the other hand are "not buying it". Is this b/c you seen evidence to the contrary or are you basing it on "I'm sure things were like I imagine them to be"? IOW are you following evidence or are you following "how you want things to have been back then"?
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
lol it's not "how I wanted things to be" dude. I have no preference. I just would bet any amount of money, you name it, that female promiscuity has risen in recent times from mid century and prior. Obviously hypergamy and AWALT still applied, but prior to the pill, shit was a lot different. I just saw a couple articles recently about how in recent years, both cheating in relationships has become more common, and marital affairs on the part of the woman has gone up 30%. And this is just in the tinder/Ashley Madison era. Don't kid yourself dude, the female bell curve of promiscuity was not like it is now during midcentury and prior. This is so goddam obvious.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
The thing is - the 30% rise is not recent, it was always there, just hidden. The apparent rise is b/c REPORTING it by both men and women increased, mostly due to relaxed moral stance on cheating, doubling of the population and it's shift to highly concentrated cities, all of which greatly increased our ability to obtain reasonably accurate data.
scissor_me_timbers00 6y ago
Yeah still not buying the main thesis. Women are more feral these days. The social constraints on them are mostly obliterated. They used to be sheltered from sex until later in their development, and their carousing monitored more. Plus of course the pill dude. Do you seriously think prior to birth control, their would be as much cock carousel riding as today?