Throughout the community, many will recommend taking cold showers, or going so far as sleeping on the floor to improve one's willpower. These are exercises to strengthen the mind, which allows one to muster the inner willpower later on in life for approaching women. If a man can be comfortable showering in tap cold water, then cold approaching women shouldn't be as hard. Likewise, many of us in the community recommend lifting to strengthen the body. Consistency in going to the gym 3 or 5 days in the week is a willpower test in itself.
The true question in increasing one's willpower is this: "Am I willing to place myself in pain to better myself?" If the answer is Yes, then you are a great step ahead of many men in this world.
If you are overweight or obese, and have been seeking ways to lose the poundage, you may have heard of a magical technique called Ketosis. The process involves rejecting carbohydrates from your normal diet, forcing your liver to digest the stored carbohydrates in your fat cells to make up for the deficit. No carbohydrates means no wheat, no sugar, no high fructose corn syrup; no cookies, no cake, no ice cream, no bread, milk, chips, soda, nuts or even fruit. Anything with a carbohydrate amount of 10 grams per serving or higher is OFF LIMITS.
From personal experience, Ketosis is the fastest way to lose weight at a reasonable, healthy pace. But let me be straightforward here: this diet is not for the weak of will. The only things you should be expecting to eat for the next couple of months is Beef, Chicken, Pork and vegetables. Protein and Fat, and only the smallest amount of carbs, since you need them to actually live. Your liver will do the rest of the work, and you will lose weight.
You are going to feel a bit sick when first adjusting to the new diet, assuming you actually do it, because you're not used to cutting these things you've been eating for your entire life OUT of your life. You will begin to realize that there were carbohydrates in foods you never thought had carbs in them, as you compulsively check nutrition labels for the carbohydrate amount. Psychologically, it's a pain in the ass, yet incredibly empowering to say "No" to food your body desires. Your body and mind are the two things you have absolute control over in life. If you cannot control what you eat, the thoughts you think, or the emotions you feel, then you are not really human.
If you can say No for 4-6 months to the good tasting foods in your life, then you have proven to yourself that you are in control of yourself. You will lose weight, and your confidence levels will rise above your peers. It's all about consistency, and consistency is vital to every life improvement you make.
ironjohnred 6y ago
I do intermittent fasting for 18 hours, and Keto. Never felt better. More energy, more focus, sleep better. Its awesome!
foreveralphablog 6y ago
The thing with Keto that I find hilarious, is you always get guys going "Yeah Keto is SO AMAZING DUUUUUDE you HAVE to try it!!" (I have done successfully a couple of times several years ago btw)
Then you ask them "So how is it working for you now?" and the response you invariably get is something like "Ah well it got too hardcore for me so I'm not on it anymore"........
"So it's not really that great then is it if it stops working?"
"NO WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT ITS AMAZING!!"
No, what's amazing is how good marketing can turn normal people into irrational idiots.
Keto is a recipe for yo-yo dieting.
freshlysquosed 6y ago
Fasting is way harder than eating bacon and eggs for breakfast. Keto isn't even difficult... Especially if you're motivated by the thought of losing your man tits.
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I'm literally down 10lb in 2 weeks on Keto. Works fast. Huge test of discipline for about a week, then quite easy imo. Only issue is you can't really eat any fast food. Also whether you do Keto or not, Keto coffee is a life changer
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Martel_732_Tours 6y ago
I would advise anyone who starts a ketogenic diet to check that their thyroid is in good health beforehand, and to check it at regular intervals.
JoRocKStaR 6y ago
I've consistently gone 6-7 days straight of Keto. After that I completely give in feel guilty. It is hard but the energy you gain is insane.
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HoldDatCrew 6y ago
I've been doing keto and intermittent fasting since August and have lost over 80lbs(I was 306lbs and now at 224lbs @ 6'4") I also work out 2 times a day. I don't know if I would consider it "ultimate test of willpower", that would be like Special Forces or Ranger school or BUDS. I really haven't found it too hard. You can lose a pound a day on this stuff tho, you gotta do zero carb/ultra-low(like less than 3 a day). But, make sure you drink loads of water and eat a fuck ton of real protein from meat.
deadassfinna 6y ago
After being redpilled about Kelloggs lobbying millions to brainwash people into thinking breakfast is the most important meal of the day I stopped eating it. It's unusual and unnatural for an animal to wake up and have a big meal waiting already hunted/gathered. Fasting is important, skipping meals is more natural, breaking routine eating habits aligns more with what we're naturally designed to do. If you have decent fat reserves then you already have food. Hungry doesn't mean eat immediately it's a signal to eat soon to start 'hunting' which in the wild may take hours. It's not intended as instant gratification
LexaBinsr 6y ago
You wanna know what the biggest red pill is?
It is actually in the word breakfast.
BREAK FAST.
Did I just blow your mind?
deadassfinna 6y ago
Lol yes I've heard that before. People often cite that as a reason to break their fast mid way thru it "muh that's why it's called break fast coz u gotta break ya fast! Durga durga!"
I should invent a meal called breaksleep and tell people they have to eat it at 4am with that logic haha
RatioRegnum 6y ago
Generally good advice, but hardly the ultimate test of will.
deville05 6y ago
It is. For someone who is fat and weak for food, keto is their ultimate test of will
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It’s as hard as you make it, if you just eat as usual but avoid carbs then yeah it’s tough. But if you make a big shopping trip and buy shit like bacon, eggs, cheeses, steak, etc. it doesn’t even feel like a diet (exaggerating of course, everybody loves pasta and cookies and all of that bs but if you are making good and filling meals it isn’t much of an issue to ‘resist’ that stuff)
RatioRegnum 6y ago
No, it's an introductory test of will. You just have to develop a modicum of self awareness and nourish mindfully rather than munch reflexively. Even a regular gym routine is harder, because it takes time and requires effort.
vandaalen 6y ago
That is utter bullshit and also pretty malicuos, since what people hear will be: "Don't even try it, cause you will most likely not succeed."
Keto is maybe the easiest diet to loose weight of them all, because in the beginning you can essentially eat as much as you want if you eat the right food and you will still loose weight automatically, after the initial water weight loss.
You don't have to limit your calories at all and the fatter you are when you start, the more rapid the loss.
deville05 6y ago
what part of my post says "dont even try it, cuz you will likely not succeed" ?
all diets work and keto works wonderfully for weightloss and no one is questioning that. But unless you have been fat all your life because you are weak when it comes to food, you wouldnt understand that the most difficult part about any diet is saying no. when you see some food and psychosomatically your mouth salivates and you taste that thing in your mouth and your stomach growls, your only weapon is your will to resist that. everything else in your body is bombarding you with signals, trying to convince you to eat that. you have only your will and your will is already weak, otherwise you wouldnt be fat in the first place. and you are still wrong about not having to count calories to loose weight. you have to. keto only helps in keeping you satiated and not having your insulin spike frequently and cause cravings. so it makes getting through the day, easier but if you need to lose weight, you need to eat the appropriate amount of calories. If you are fat, you already have to eat at a deficit and if you are short on top of that, you have to reduce even further. for someone who is aboutr 5'5" or 5'6" and fat, their calorie limit is say 1500cals a day. thats a burger, fries and a coke at best for a whole day. convert that to keto and you are talking fat calories which are more dense. you end up consuming even less quantity of food overall which is not something fat people are conditioned to do. it is a test of will. everything else about it is easy.
LexaBinsr 6y ago
No, it's not.
The ultimate test of will is eating normal for the rest of your life without going back to bad habits. Sure, you might take the easy path with keto, but that shit isn't sustainable. You're gonna lose all the pounds and go back to being a fat fuck again because you need to integrate your new "diet" into a lifestyle.
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clon3man 6y ago
I'm more of a fan of a "keto-ish" diet. Sure if you have to lose 70 pounds you might want to go hardcore, but lets not forget all the men on here that really only need to lose 0-20 pounds or just gain, or improve their mood and energy.
There's absolutely no need to go "ultra" low carb for those people, and it might even been inadvisable. Intermittent fasting is also a strong test of your will, and combined with low but not ultra-low carb + high veg it's trending to be the perfect diet IMHO. Just do whatever Rhonda Patrick says and you're golden.
beta_no_mo 6y ago
Just cutting out starches and unnatural sugars would be life-changing for most.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
"Just do whatever Rhonda Patrick says and you're golden."
Enter the code word ROGAN for 10% off the new Almond butter anal cleanse.
...And ya, in all seriousness Rhonda Patrick is a GOLDMINE of information. When she's been on Rogan's podcast I've had to take notes and re-listen.
FwoGiZ 6y ago
I am 100% on same page as you man!!! i gotta go read who that chick is tho
PM_ME_LEGENDARY_MVP 6y ago
Not all the men. I'm a 350lb fat shit who discovered this sub yesterday; so I'm still at the very beginning of TRP. But your point still stands.
NwahPogrom 6y ago
You should feel ashamed of yourself. You're practically a planet.
Merwebb 6y ago
Get those cals in check and move around more. It works
wayneinthegame 6y ago
You fucking fat bastard.
I was 360lbs last fall and now I'm 242 and aiming for 200 by March. I did it with a lifestyle change, NOT a diet. New job that gets me close to 10k steps a day, lifting and cardio. Drank only water, no fast food and the most important thing...meal planning. Buy groceries same day every week and plan every single meal. Cut 200-300 calories below your metabolic maintenance rate. I would grill chicken on sunday morning and weigh and put portions in tupperware. You get a habit of "It's 7pm time for a feeding" grab the meal from fridge and throw it in microwave. Makes the decision of what to eat when you are NOT hungry. Thats key for us fatties :)
Be consistent and disciplined and you WILL lose weight and feel like a new man.
ST4NGSH1FT3R 6y ago
How did you determine your metabolic maintenance weight, I’ve been trying to do exactly what you said (except around 300 Cals above) but I have no ideal how many calories I actually need
Diff888 6y ago
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/tools/bmr-calculator
PM_ME_LEGENDARY_MVP 6y ago
How has loose skin been? I work on a Golf course, so I easily do 10k steps a day and is a high intensity job (Im fat though beacuse i've been putting away 6k + calories of junk food everday). As a result i'm quite muscular and strong (My legs are fucking pillars of strength carrying my fat ass round the course all day), but the gut is large and I have fat covering any kind of muscle I've got.
I dislike the word diet too, i'm looking at intermittent fasting as a goal to start doing by the new year. For now, i'm focusing on just eating 3 meals a day instead of eating shit food literally all day (And thats no exaggeration.) Replacing 2 meals a week until new years. Small goals to reach a more progressive target.
_Fresh_cakes_ 6y ago
As do I. I used to “yo-yo” diet all throughout my early 20s and went from 200 at 20 to 260 at 25. I also used to binge eat like a fucking girl that just got dumped. I found keto last year around July and have been in on it since then. Lost 50 lbs and feel healthy. Blood work shows it as well.
I highly recommend you do some research on keto. It’ll do a lot more than just help you lose weight. The keto subreddit is a good place to start. Along with the ketogains sub and ketoscience sub.
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wayneinthegame 6y ago
Well I still got about 60 more pounds to go before I will be truly lean, but I can tell there will be some loose skin on my stomach. I exfoliate and moisturize and hope for the best. Either way I will look great and I feel amazing! Can't underestimate the health benefits. I dont get sick and have stomach issues like it did...it was really bad. Dont even need tums anymore!
If there was one thing I could tell you to do it would be to log every calorie. You've got a dragon to fight and the first step is to stop running and turn and face it. You will lie to yourself without knowing about how many calories you ate that day and the only way to see the truth is by tracking. I used to do spreadsheets and now I just use myfitness pal.
Good luck on your journey!
An_All-Beef_Engineer 6y ago
Try grilling vegetables to snack on. Walk with them in a container so they're handy all the time. Keeps hunger pangs at bay.
ryantheman2 6y ago
Yes, this. I go for the 80% paleo diet, in that about 20% of the stuff I intake is allowed to be non-paleo.
Leverage of the 80/20 rule: 80% of the benefit at 20% effort.
mcgruntman 6y ago
You're not 80/20ing right... By eating 80% paleo you're doing 80% effort!
I guess 20% effort in this example would be to replace the unhealthiest 20% of your previous diet with healthy paleo food.
JustOneMoreAcct 6y ago
To the point...Thanks to keto, I stopped living life on hard mode. I went from 300lbs to 190lbs in a year and for the first time in my life, I'm not overweight/obese. I've kept the weight of for 6 months now so it's not a temp change.
Parvenu76 6y ago
Another GLOWING Ketosis post on TRP...
ATTENTION OVERWEIGHT MEN WITH LOW NUTRITIONAL LITERACY: YOU are the cash cow. YOU are being targeted with irresponsible, expensive, dangerous fad diet advice. YOU "need" these supplements.
It's pretty simple.
Ketosis mimics starvation. Period.
Unless you are an epileptic or were recently diagnosed with glioblastoma brain tumors, YOU are being propositioned by FAD DIET PROMOTERS.
The entire body of published research indicates that a whole food plant-based diet is a safer and more effective solution for weight loss and overall health LONG TERM.
If you lose 30 or 100 lbs but have a heart attack or drop dead at 40 because you are eating a bullshit fad diet... YOU'RE STILL FUCKED. FAIL.
If you are going to attempt a ketogenic diet primarily for weight loss purposes, I encourage you to do so under the guidance of a physician who is trained in this type of weight loss method. Your Biometrics will need to be monitored. There are professionals in many cities that are offering this now, some of them were trained at Duke. Under supervision, Keto is primarily being used to help morbidly obese people with type 2 diabetes to drop the weight. Do NOT just casually subscribe to some YouTube channels (ie. the quack weight loss chiropractor Eric Berg) and other Echo chambers and imitate what you see there.
Self-control relies on glucose as a limited energy source: willpower is more than a metaphor. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17279852 So cut carbs right? Great strategy.
Circulating glucose levels modulate neural control of desire for high-calorie foods in humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21926468 Healthy, whole plant Foods are the answer. Not refined oils and nutrient-poor animal products.
I wrote this reply for all the men out there who DIED attempting self-improvement and falling into the Trap of fad/low carb/keto diets.
I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT I SAID.
DrunkardMonkey 6y ago
as many things in life getting in a ketosis state is hardest on the third day
the first day you won't be in ketosis yet
the second day you have a slight fever
the third day you crave sugar like a fucking heroin addict
i repeat: like a fucking addict.
once you pass that it's all downhill. there's more craving, it comes and goes like a tide. but it will never be as bad as the third day.
well until you have a really bad and stressful week.
by the way yes, you are all addicted to sugar as much as people are addicted to drugs and also yes it's a lethal addiction.
redlurker9 6y ago
It's not that hard. The beginning is hard, because of the keto flu and the cravings, but after a few weeks you'll adapt. I did 6 months of ketosis from December 2016 to June 2016, it was incredible. It killed all my cravings (I used to be hungry all the time, now I'm not, even if I'm back on carbs), made me lose a lot of fat, made me realise I control my hunger instead of my hunger controlling me.
VladvonK 6y ago
If you can manage keto and intermittent fasting you’ve got my respect.
becefoot 6y ago
Keto+IF+Fasted Cardio+Gym+No FAP is the way
nickm205 6y ago
Why would you need to 'manage' either, when neither is necessary, or any better than any other approach, generally speaking?
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VladvonK 6y ago
I think after enough time your gut bacteria adapt and you stop craving sugar as much. Also your body becomes less dependent on glucose which is good. Good job on the weight loss.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
I failed (at least thus far) with the keto thing but I have been consistently if'ing for 2 years. I guess I have half of your respect?
almostshredded 6y ago
Fun stuff, got me shredded too
bigbig1 6y ago
Did that for a bit and goddamn I lost weight so fast but Jesus it was hard as fuuuuuckkk
Nikelu 6y ago
I was like a zombie till I adapted
beta_no_mo 6y ago
The combo of the two just seems like a crash diet that most won't be able to recover from without unhealthy eating habits on the backside.
I've done both separately with good results, but never at the same time.
VladvonK 6y ago
It’s tough but if you can manage keto for a while then slowly transition to fasting it’s doable.
thebrandedman 6y ago
I have a love/hate relationship with it, but it sure as shit works.
sezamus 6y ago
For me it takes 2-3 weeks before my body gets used to it. During that time you crave for carbs like a vampire for blood. All I think is getting galon of sweet tea or soda or a ton of chocolate. Then magic happens and I feel dizzy after sugar.
About "Keto-flu": I barely lift 2x8 with 70kg during deadlift, without touching the ground, when normally I do 3x10 with 100kg. 20 push-ups are sometimes impossible to do in one take. Also I feel cold and weak like during a real flu, but you have to let your liver do its job. After 6 weeks on Keto I feel better than during regular diet, because my sugar level in blood is constant. Also I must admit that during some days I eat around 40g of carbs, so it is usually 10g-40g, depending on a day, while my "recommended" intake of carbs is 135 grams. I run 6.9km 2-4 times per week + gym + salsa.
basebool 6y ago
Its good if you're trying to lose quite a bit of weight in a medium to short amount of time.
But ideally you want to stick to a meal plan you can be consistent with for years and have the weight come more naturally off.
Also im personally just trying to lose 10 pounds before bulking again so im on a low carb, but not no carb diet. It really depends on what your needs are.
be-ay-be-why 6y ago
Ive been om keto for 33 days now. My body has never been so cut. I can actually see my abs without flexing. Its amazing. For alcohol, just drink cocktails without sugar. My favorite drink is a mohito because its basically no carbs.
My skin and clarity of thought have been worth the sacrifices! I used to get pretty damn oily skin but literally since day 1 have not experienced it at all. I went to the movies and had an icee and bam the oily skin was back in full fledge, so it is not a fluke.
One thing I would like to add: i shit so frequently now. Sometimes twice a day. To the point my asshole hurts sometimes lmfao. TMI i know but damn.
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Not sure what you meant here. If you meant proteins and fats are required to live, you are right. If you meant carbs, then this is false.
Also, I have no objections to your post at all, but to clarify: for anyone wondering, ketosis is not required to drop bodyfat percentage/weight, and may not even be that useful if you are already quite lean (~12% bf). Where I would DEFINITELY recommend ketosis is where you are >20% bf and trying to cut down -- it can make the process easier.
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tibikush2012 6y ago
Only the brain requires glucose to live. All other cells in the body have Mitocondria which allows the use of fats as an energy source.
n.b mitocondria is also used to better use glucose for energy but because the brain cells lack mitocondria, they only do the glycolisis part and when on keto, are the only cells in the body to use ketons
whatsmyname17 6y ago
I went full keto for a about 3 months. It gives you a mental clarity like no other, an excess of energy each day, and is very interesting as far as the learning aspect of what your body can do for itself. It is definitely an eye opening experience. It primarily is a good test of your will, but was also great for teaching me how fats objectively are not bad for you, and in most cases, have tremendous health benefits. Carbohydrates, while they aren’t “bad” for you, certainly have some concerning effects and should probably be limited. If I wasn’t in college I would have kept on the keto train, so back to carbs it is.
ruboius99 6y ago
Keto is easy as fuck. What are you talking about?
AuburnRage 6y ago
I'm thinking of just having 1-2 big meals per day late in the evening within a 6 hour period of mostly game meat (venison), would counting calories be 100% necessary ?
u_dwg 6y ago
Can I enter kerosine by just fasting for 4-5 days?
lordkrink 6y ago
Eat peanuts, shit ton of calories and fats and it's delicious.
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ZidaneLoire 6y ago
I've been on a nutritionist doing a low carb diet. Not ketosis but I only get to eat carbs one meal a day and it has to be vegetable carbs (from beans), couscous and some other seed he said but I forgot.
I eat so fucking much. I eat every two hours. I'm always full. Nutritionist says he's jumpstarting my metabolism.
Combined with gymn, I'm doing pretty well. I don't do willpower tests (It's not that hard, seriously. Army food was way worse), I'm never hungry and I enjoy it. So go see a decent nutritionist and get a proper enjoyable meal plan to burn that fat and then keep it.
You go on doing all those fancy ass name diets and then go back to eating shit then you lose all your gains. It's not supposed to be a diet. It's not a sacrifice. It's a way of eating you're supposed to enjoy. It's your new baseline. Besides, if you're really fat, massively losing weight in a small time span will leave you full of stretch marks and excess skin. You gotta lose slowly unless the idea of having scars on your belly because your surgeon removed half your skin there sounds appealing.
theworlds 6y ago
I would also so the will to refrain from masturbating and watching porn is a big one also. It's a hard urge to beat but man when you have full control over your urges it's a different feeling. You feel so great and the feeling of I can accomplish anything is amazing.
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I can confirm keto is solid. Went on it for ~40 days and lost 30lbs (probably half of that was water weight, but still good). I would've continued to lose weight but I lost willpower near the end. Gonna try to go back on it once finals are over.
While I agree it is a challenge to start, once you're a week or two in you'll feel amazing (especially if you're out of shape and unhealthy like me). You get more energy, you're less hungry, and you're dropping weight while doing so. (My diet consisted of 70% bacon & eggs, with cheese strings, sausage, or ground beef and shredded cheese when I got bored)
machialon 6y ago
Does the keto diet affect abilities in the gym?? I lift heavy
Widowmaker_Only 6y ago
Yes, the glycogen stores are depleted in ur muscles. I´d only do keto on a cut.
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I personally didn't work out too hard while on the diet, just due to me being a newbie to fitness (I got comfortable being fat), but from what I experienced I had more energy, so working out was easier than before. However, if you're already in shape or looking to bulk up, keto might not be for you, since it might limit muscle development due to cutting carbs. I'd do some research on it beforehand to see if it's for you
machialon 6y ago
Appreciate the feedback, thank you
YGDieciseis 6y ago
How does keto affect gains?
arthurabyssal 6y ago
You can build muscle just as fast in studies (musclephd)
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Krimepay5 6y ago
yep
cashmoney_x 6y ago
No mention of steroids of course. Hopefully no one died trying to replicate that lol.
thewhitefox7 6y ago
Negatively. It cuts your gains I would say by 50%. From biochem pov, there are 3 things important in repairing your muscle after training (mTOR pathway activators) - energy state of cell, insulin, intracellular leucin. While on keto, you get only somewhat activation from leucin. Training on keto is extremely hard, you can't push yourself that much. However, I'm now on diet while I'm basically on keto but eat 250 (for 200lbs, 9% bf) carbohydrate, 100g protein and as little fat as possible 1h post training. Carbs must be high GI - jellies, cookies, fruit, rice, potatoes. Gains are great, strength on cut is good. (I increased my bent row from 110 to 125kg x5) It is optimal diet ONLY if you have a lot of weight to lose, without regard to muscle. You cannot get shredded on it.
Source: I've been on keto for around 2 years combined.
baron_vladimir 6y ago
As far as I know, you can definitely get shredded on it. Check out the ketogains subreddit.
thewhitefox7 6y ago
Well, the top posts of all time are not quite mine definition of shredded. You can get pretty lean, but as far as biochem is concerned, keto is: (1) very good diet to get to ~10-12%, while maintaining muscle (2) not a good diet to get below 10% (3) Not a good diet to pack on muscle (weak anabolic response) (4) Not a good diet for high intensity endurance training (5) STELLAR diet for endurance sports like cycling or marathon. Besides, after some time (like 3-4 months), your hormonal levels TANK on keto - leptin and thyroid hormones. After that time it is recommended to do spends some time with carbs. I've been working with one of the leading personal trainers in my country, he has many, many trainees starting in national level bodybuidling contests. He said that he does not ever recommend keto for going below 10% bf. I mean this type of guys (one of his clients):
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baron_vladimir 6y ago
I'm about to go to bed so don't really have time to go looking for sources as the science is very clearly explained on why it definitely works, specially for endurance sports. There are LOTS of pro athletes that have adopted Keto. Also the whole "leptin/thyroid" reset is a myth as far as I know, I remember reading quite a bit on that a few years ago.
Heck, look at interviews about their routines with most actors that portray super heroes and almost all of them say they lift and eat "chicken and broccoli" (keto) when training for their roles.
Also, this is the creator of ketogains ("Luis Villasenor"): https://i.imgur.com/ST3JJLy.jpg there's also a Facebook group by the same name where you can find other shredded guys, some pro's as well. They will be better suited to answer any questions you might have than I am.
thewhitefox7 6y ago
Muscle gain on keto is possible, but is not the fastest way to gain muscle. It is an easier way to get only lean weight, but you can do that while using carbs faster and more efficiently, BUT it requires more expertise and control.
As far as actors are concerned, when they do interview, they wont say that their typical breakfasts is composed of eggs, vegetables, trenbolone and growth hormone. But that is reality. On a funny note, one of actresses in my country said that her workout routine is '100 trampoline jumps every single day'. That far goes the sound fitness advice from the magazines. :p
I do not think I know any professional sportspeople that keep 100% keto diet - apart from endurance athletes. I mean soccer players or NBA players, that earn millions of dollars. And those people use the most efficient and best diets, exercises and drugs - if they performance would be better on keto, they would have been already using it, because millions of dollars are on the table.
baron_vladimir 6y ago
I think everyone knows that juicing on tren/hgh is normal among movie stars. Having said that, as far as I know they still eat keto and not a regular diet high on carbs.
You mention NBA players. I remember reading LeBron James was doing keto to lose weight off-season and then paleo for everyday life. Still, even if you eat some carbs but train like him, you'll probably still be in ketosis cause you'll deplete glycogen quickly.
Regardless, I'm not an expert nor a religious keto follower to continue arguing, but the argument was you can't get shredded while doing keto, and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes you can. It doesn't "cut your gains by 50%".
YGDieciseis 6y ago
Wow thanks for all the details. I'm just starting to lift seriously but I ran into some injuries recently so I'm thinking I should cut in the mean time while I figure out what the treatment is. Keto is probably my favorite choice at the moment.
Warfrog 6y ago
Kills gains even on calorie surplus? Isn't it water and glycogen leaving muscle that gives the appearance of lost gains? I ask because after a carb heavy meal/creatine load I look swole.
thewhitefox7 6y ago
You look swole because mostly of water retention, but it does in fact help muscle growth. It is short term effect of carbs - glycogen stores are fuller. But the 'gains' = muscle tissue growth over time, is impaired on keto because VLCHF diet fails to stimulate mTOR pathway to maximum. So you will build muscle on keto, but not in the fastest and most efficient way.
Warfrog 6y ago
so from a body building perspective, eating a calorie surplus is to bulk, calorie deficit is to cut, so the keto diet is to maintain low body fat long term? Or is keto used for other health benefits
thewhitefox7 6y ago
I began cutting at 15%~ while not being on deficit. I eat at maintenance and still lost fat and gained a bit of strength. The high metabolism level is a key to a succesful cut. I went to a deficit only when I approached about 12% bf (-10% deficit).
Eating keto is very good for losing a lot of fat; lowering your trigliceride levels and it is an easy way to keep low bf, but not if you have a lot of muscle. When you have a lot of muscle, on keto your muscle mass will be compromised and your workouts and strength suffer while on keto.
Warfrog 6y ago
So keto first then cycle with bulking?
thewhitefox7 6y ago
Yes, that is what I would do on your place. Start with 2 months of keto (during first 14 days, eat 5g of salt in water, it is extremely important - if you don't do that, you will feel like shit). Then go to Carb Nite (6 days keto, 1 day of high carbs, after ~3PM till sleep). Then if you are at your target 10-12%, go to keto non training day with 200~g of high GI carbs (white rice, white potateos, even some jellies and cookies) 1-2h after workout. You can supplement metformin 500mg for every 100g of carbs or berberine 0,5-2g in carb days - they literally pack all carbs straight into muscle instead of fat. If you follow properly, results will be very good. If you want to read more, books by John Kiefer: Carb Nite and Carb Backloading.
tibikush2012 6y ago
You are taking metformin for the gains? It is a diabetic drug with colleteral effects that are still not known so much...
paper_boy_1 6y ago
After a stern talk from My doctor last month (108KG), He suggested the Keto diet, I started right away (toughest thing to give up- beer!) 38 days later I am down 10KG (22 pounds), not as hard as it first appears, but yes I check all labels...
redlurker9 6y ago
Bear in mind that a lot of it is water weight. Water binds with carbohydrates, which is why the first two weeks of keto induce a massive weight loss as the water is flushed out of your cells. Which is why you need to drink a lot when in ketosis to stay hydrated, because your body doesn't store water like it does with a regular diet.
VipKyle 6y ago
Just a heads up, there is low carb beer that won't knock you out of ketosis.
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Hellrot69 6y ago
10kg drop in roughly a month is a great result, but how much did you weight in the first place?
paper_boy_1 6y ago
My doctor weighed me on Nov 8, 108KG (#237.2), I am now down to 99KG (217.8) about a week to 10 days my Ketosis switched on, and I was dropping #1/day... but a month in it has slowed dramatically
JustOneMoreAcct 6y ago
Normal keto is 2 to 4 pounds a week.
Hellrot69 6y ago
That's normal: the more overweight you are, the faster is the weight drop, plus when losing weight there comes a moment when your body becomes extremely stubborn, halting progress. Just gotta keep going...
paper_boy_1 6y ago
or Aka "The Wall", My favourite album...
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RGLoki 6y ago
https://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/government-finally-admits-it-was-wrong-about-cholesterol-2-20496
BigTexan1492 6y ago
Cholesterol would have elevated as the small particle cholesterol began to be released. After about 5 months, the cholesterol will show a drastic drop. FYI you are using old research in your claim.
no_face 6y ago
cholesterol actually goes down once you cut sugars and grains
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Kingoffistycuffs 6y ago
The excess carbs get stored as LDLs in the blood so when hit from both sides(not eating carbs and needing to process fats) it smashes them. So you're both right.
paper_boy_1 6y ago
I go back for blood work later this month, I don't know about the cholesterol, but I have been able to stop taking my blood pressure meds... The Science behind Ketogenics is that Cholesterol is not as bad as it has been made out to be, Same with Whole fat, the one item I know that I am getting way too much of is Sodium, everyone puts it in everything...
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paper_boy_1 6y ago
Well, you drink your kool-aid, and I will drink mine... Check back after Christmas and I will report on my cholesterol
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paper_boy_1 6y ago
funny that, also funny that heart-related conditions are mostly prevalent in developed nations, it might be more than just cholesterol? Refined Sugars, Stress, lack of exercise, Sodium, Obesity... processed foods... do you ever read the labels? I found it shocking when I started reading them..
paper_boy_1 6y ago
Ketogenic diet and cholesterol levels
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That’s a ridiculously unhealthy rate to lose weight
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4-thegreatergood 6y ago
Perfect example of crabs in a bucket ^
[deleted] 6y ago
No it isn’t you fucking moron. This guy is losing 4 pounds a week. Not only is he burning through muscle mass, but it’s also not sustainable and he’s going to gain it back rapidly once he stops eating at this wildly unsustainable deficit. Learn a thing or two about fitness and nutrition before talking about crabs in a bucket.
It’s sad that even on this sub, people still can’t handle harsh truths and would rather hear comforting lies.
paper_boy_1 6y ago
mostly water, now that I am down to the serious fat removal, the process has slowed dramatically
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Ahh true you’re right. I forgot to account for water weight. Especially someone who starts very overweight has even more water weight.
Just make sure you aren’t losing more than 1-1.5 lbs a week if you wanna keep the fat off long term.
congrats on the progress btw
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p3n1x 6y ago
You replace it with hard liquor. Just don't forget to macro the calories.
_xX-BongRippa420-Xx_ 6y ago
Ask yourself, why do you need beer?
thebrandedman 6y ago
Because I work with people?
_xX-BongRippa420-Xx_ 6y ago
Sounds like not the actual answer.
How does working with people make you need beer?
thebrandedman 6y ago
Eh, it was a lazy joke. I don't drink anymore. Four years sober.
ShinyRedKetoPill 6y ago
By drinking vodka or unadulterated rum with stevia based mixers or coke/sprite zero. Still need to do it in moderation though. Vodka and rum still have empty calories and calories still matter in ketosis. But the gist of what the OP said is right on the money.
Source: Just look at my username LOL
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paper_boy_1 6y ago
Christmas was probably not the best time, but it has been worth it
Kolnasm 6y ago
Beer is for college frat soyboys and overweight alcoholic high school math teachers who don't shower. Give it up and drink an old-fashioned or a perfect rob roy on the rocks like a man.
4-thegreatergood 6y ago
I bet those drinks complement your fedora exquisitely
thefisherman1961 6y ago
Drink rob roys "like a man" and get bitch tits, higher estrogen levels, and lower testosterone levels. Oh yeah and say bye-bye to your abs
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nofilmynofucky 6y ago
Sad to see this traditionally feminine strategy being adopted by so many insecure bitchlings on here
Guys: don't be this poster. Drink what you wanna
Reunn 6y ago
Shaming isn’t a feminine tactic, it’s a human tactic. Shame only exists in the person who is experiencing it, you can’t be shamed for something you know is positive because your mind will simply process it as bullshit.
Alcohol is objectively bad for you, everybody knows this which is why it’s a topic that can be universally shamed upon. Normalising behaviour which should be shamed incentivises such behaviour. see: fat acceptance.
Crying about shaming tactics? Now that’s a truly feminine quality. Also I find it ironic how you ‘call him out’ for shaming and then proceed to shame him for being feminine, something which this entire subreddit is predicated upon.
nofilmynofucky 6y ago
Ugh dude if I wanna have a beer imma have a beer miss me with the lecture fuckin hell
Reunn 6y ago
I’m not advocating for drinking or abstinence.
Daaaaaaaark 6y ago
keto is bullshit
its inferior to anything outside ketosis except death
u will feel sluggish no matter how keto adapted you are (dont lie)
my willpower when it comes to diet is pretty unlimited and i tried all things out there (among which was 7 weeks only meat keto) and it sux (unless u got a fucked up metabolism thru not properly conducted fasts and or problems with sibo (like me) then its like the last thing u can do lul
ketosis is meant for wintertimes and intentionally restricting carbs to stay in ketosis is ridiculous...not even the inuit are in ketosis (im not sure about the massai)
its a really retarded diet and will only hurt u (it tastes pretty good tho......hmmmmmmm all that fat ;p)
BoondockBilly 6y ago
Water fasting is where it's at
BiteAndThrow 6y ago
And the fatter you are the longer you can do it.
cBIGONE 6y ago
Keto wrecks your performance In the gym you NEED carbs for optimal performance. Get rid of sugar aside from intraworkout. Eat more fiber and veggies.
Finally count your calories with an app like myfitnesspal.
awesume 6y ago
Tried Keto for about 20 days too see what it's like.
TLDR: If you don't need to lose weight - fuck Keto. It's a pain in the ass and a distraction. Just eat clean and save your time for things that matter.
Some of my observation on Keto diet:
You say it's psychologically a pain in the ass. I'd say it's a pain the ass logistically and a waste of time for seemingly nothing.
In the end I just didn't see how it was worth the effort. For weight loss things might be different of course.
I think fasting works better for self-discipline through controlling nutrition. It requires just as much discipline, if not more, but is easier logistically and even frees up some of your time.
HoldDatCrew 6y ago
"Eating 3000+ cals worth of almost entirely fat for me is a fucking torture, no matter how well cooked." WTF are you doing m8? you realize you can eat less than 3k cals right? shit you can eat 1000cals a day on ketosis and feel not hungry. Are you okay? what even was your plan there?
awesume 6y ago
Well it's not about being hungry. I have to eat that much because lift and do MA for 6 days of the week total.
THEN1NJA 6y ago
Side note anyone in general find a diet to put on the pounds?
baron_vladimir 6y ago
You can do any diet to put on weight. It's just a matter of eating more calories.
throwikdsf3 6y ago
It's not gonna help you lose weight if your calorie intake is still too high, that being said as long as you make sure to limit the amount of fat you take in you need to eat a good fucking amount to surpass your TDEE in a keto diet. Just thought I'd add that before people start eating as much fatty beef and pork and eggs they can before they feel like puking and still expect to lose weight
RoxoViejo 6y ago
You’d be surprised how much you can eat while still losing body fat. I found that I did not have to count calories in the end, because I had trouble getting in enough anyway as I was never hungry anymore. Over the course of 10 months I have lost 35 kg/77 lbs (coming from 133 kg/293 lbs).
This differs from person to person of course, but I have seen many people starting keto and their hunger went away for months. After about 6 months it stabilized for me, but there were rarely days I would eat more than 3000 calories (I’m 1.96m/6’5” tall).
throwikdsf3 6y ago
Well personally I eat whatever i want when cutting just making sure i hit my calorie goal. I gym a lot, my tdee is around 3000kcal so i usually cut at 2300 ish fairly aggressively. I love carbs too much, don’t wanna cut that out. And when bulking I still have to stop myself at 3600, I have an immense appetite. But by all means the best diet is the one that one can stick to, be it keto or not.
pseudonym42 6y ago
For anyone interested, I recommend checking out the keto subreddit. In terms of lifting/exercise it takes time for your body to adapt to this diet. However, I have listened to a podcast with an MMA fighter, and her and her husband (also an MMA fighter I think) train much better on it.
In terms of carbs, there is a difference between net carbs and total carbs (carbs from fiber are handled differently but should still be low.) Also, many people on keto eat almonds, so it isn't all nuts that are off the table. Side affects can include halitosis, and other fun changes to certain bodily functions.
Also, the "keto flu" stage can be helped by taking Morton Lite Salt, which has potassium in it.
Without carbs/glucose in your blood, you will shed salts, so adding some in is not unhealthy.
Also, I would have to look into it but Joe Rogan, who is on this diet, said that he was talking with some nutritionists and a high fat diet like this can lead to higher-T. I'd have to go back and find his explanations, but something about the body needing fats to (better?) produce it.
It is an interesting diet, but it isn't for everyone. And by that I mean, different bodies have different nutrition requirements. It is not all necessarily will power. It is about what is best for a person.
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thewhitefox7 6y ago
Steroidogenesis (i.e. testosterone) is entirely dependent on cholesterol. That's why if you try to cut and you drop your fats low, then your T levels are going to plummet. I wouldn't say that keto increases T levels significantly in the long run, there are too factors in this process.
pseudonym42 6y ago
Thanks. Mainly I recommend men do their own research. I tried this diet but got knocked back due to alcohol issues. So I am no expert but wanted to offer some thoughts so people can see different aspects that might be involved and go look into it on their own.
arthurabyssal 6y ago
Anabolic men says u need carbs for optimal T and that men on low-carb diets have lower T which is true with a caviet, I learned from Thomas DeLauer that low carb diets do lower T, but not very low carb ketogenic diets, which increase T. I guess T just suffers if one is half in ketosis since the body is adjusting and changing processes.
pseudonym42 6y ago
Yeah, a lot of new science is coming out all of the time about the new diet trends and the affects they have. Mainly, I recommend men do research on their own and recognize that the same diet will not affect everyone the same way.
francisco_DANKonia 6y ago
Keto is laughably easy I had no problem initially and then continued for years until I had low blood sugar.
AwkwardEmpath 6y ago
I wouldn't say I'm an alcoholic, but these last 3-4 years I've had many heavy nights of drinking.. my question is how healthy would a diet be like this if my liver was recovering/not in the best shape? Just curious.
whatsthisgarg 6y ago
and LOL; get ready to get black out drunk. I'm serious, you will get so fucked up.
I don't even do a serious keto diet, but I just eat a lot less carbs. Before that I used to drink about half a liter of vodka every night, now I am wasted after 4 doubles.
I don't know the variables but my good cholesterol and T are off the charts, were always. So I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. When you have good abs you get good blowjobs. (I am 52, btw.)
AwkwardEmpath 6y ago
Well that sounds like a huge plus. I've got a lot to work on but I'm making slow consistent progress, abs are in the plan, I could use some good blowjobs in my life. Thanks for the reply.
BobbyPeru 6y ago
Lifestyle change is a much better long term solution. I’ve seen too many guys lose a bunch of weight on keto and then just put it right back on because they didn’t have a lifestyle change plan in place. Sure, it’s a good jumpstart, but it’s not a healthy long term plan.
I’ll tell you what I did. I was always 10ish pounds overweight, and a read a book called “The Power of Four,” by Paula Owens. Yeah, she’s a chick, but she’s way advanced above all the “cut carbs” simplicity.
So, basically I only ate stuff on her approved list, and the pounds just started melting off abou 2 months into it. I never really went hungry excessively either. I think it took a couple months for my body to detox from all the chemicals from processed foods.
But, anyway, that was in 2012, and I’ve stuck with that lifestyle change, and I’ve maintained my ideal BF for 5+ years now.
I just stay away from bad carbs, and I’m generally low carb, , high protein, high healthy fats. Basically, I just keep it well balanced , and if I usually eat some 70% dark chocolate every day to satisfy my seeet tooth. After eating good quality 70% cocoa chocolate for a while, stuff like Hershey’s and Reece’s start to sound disgusting.
I stay away from processed foods and that’s a big part.
I also mix in intermittent fasting 2-3 days a week for 16 hours. Near the end of the 16 hours, my T is high, and I do a solid workout. I follow that workout with a 60g protein shake, and I can actually feel the protein rushing to my post-workout muscles.
Butter___stick 6y ago
Keto is one of the healthiest diets you can eat, no idea what you are talking about
BobbyPeru 6y ago
A balanced mix of fiber, healthy fats, low empty carbs, high protein, low processed foods, fruits, and veggies is your best bet long term.
I’ve seen 10-15 guys fail on keto long term while I’ve kept my BF where I want it for 5+ years on a healthy lifestyle.
I’m not against keto, but a long term plan should be more diversified
Kingoffistycuffs 6y ago
God damnit! Why is balance always the fucking answer!!
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Widowmaker_Only 6y ago
Let´s be real, keto is not hard, its just hard to fit into ur working and social life.
Bisuboy 6y ago
And it is very expensive to replace, rice, noodles and bread with meat, nuts etc
Burrito_Capital 6y ago
Keto is a good test, but honestly, after a few weeks of adjustment to a keto diet, start intermittent fasting. While on Keto, the cravings for carbs subside, so fasting with water for a couple of days a week (5/2 IF) or One Meal A Day (OMAD) can take you to the next level while reframing your relationship with all aspects of food (time, social events, what you do eat when you start back) and how you deal with yourself during a fast.
Check the sub for fasting it has some good reading for when you get there.
SolarDeath666 6y ago
Lost 50 pounds (220-170) in the past 7 months as a 5' 4 dude; totally recommend it, now I just need to hit the gym more.
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Just focus on getting less than 50 grams of carbs a day. If you're doing an IF-esque diet, you'll need to get ~20 grams of carbs in each of your 2 meals and plenty of fiber as well
edit: also there is a science error in the post. The liver makes new carbs from proteins in a carb deprived state. This process is called gluconeogenesis. If you eat too many lean meats and get too much protein (i.e. much more than 1.0g/lb lean body mass), you could incur so much gluconeogenesis that makes enough carbs to boot you out of ketosis.
Rhynovirus 6y ago
My time doing keto was fantastic and easy, if very bland. WTF even is this thread?
HoldDatCrew 6y ago
I agree. I love eating those things more than carb heavy foods. I could eat those for the rest of my life. And he also left out fish. It really isn't THAT hard, some people really must depend on foods for pleasure or something, like "if I don't get my pizza or doughnut I will be cranky and mad at work" Damn, that's some woman shit.
Work_In_Progress92 6y ago
If it works for yourself and other folks, that's cool. I am personally sticking with heavy lifts as the ultimate test of willpower.
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A mighty test of willpower, yes, but I'd say running ultra-marathons and spartan-thons like David Goggins is a far greater test of willpower.
Work_In_Progress92 6y ago
I have not done any ultra marathons or spartan races so I really cannot comment much on it, but watching some videos I see your point.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
Wow, reasonable answer on the internet?
Work_In_Progress92 6y ago
It’s almost like there are some rational...males out there. puts on sunglasses YEAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Don_Himself 6y ago
Heavy lifting has always been, and will always be, the Ultimate Test of willpower. There's a reason a tiny percentage of the human population in our entire history of existence has been able to lift 400lbs and beyond.
Ketosis is, quite frankly, a just mild inconvenience. Which Im thankful for since I currently do the Anabolic Diet myself.
NitricTV 6y ago
I could deadlift and squat 400 at 15. I think forcing myself to not eat carbs in a carb heavy world is way harder.
What I'm saying is what is hard to you may not be hard to others.
Don_Himself 6y ago
forgot to say heavy lifting Naturally
everything is much easier on PEDs
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YGDieciseis 6y ago
What the fuck were you eating as a kid to lift that weight? A bit more than skeptical tbh.
NitricTV 6y ago
I was born to be big both parents over 200 lbs. Both decently tall. Basically I would be the ideal field nigga if slavery was still a thing.
I was also a linemen during HS
YGDieciseis 6y ago
God damn bro thats some shit. Good to hear that theres some other POCs swallowing the pill, we need it more than anyone if you ask me ????
wayneinthegame 6y ago
I'm doing 4 sets of 10 reps of 135lbs deadlift. How does that translate into a single lift. I've never seen how much I can lift in a single rep to avoid injury and my trainer doesn't roll like that.
An_All-Beef_Engineer 6y ago
Use this max calculate: http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/OneRepMax.html
You should be around 180, with good form...
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cashmoney_x 6y ago
Bitch please. You ever try ultramarathons?
Don_Himself 6y ago
yawn. extensive cardio takes tremendous willpower too but nothing will ever get you as scared and as taxed as heavy lifting does
no one skips cardio. meanwhile every lifter, even advanced ones, are always looking for excuses to skip lifting... especially if it requires doing PRs for multiple sets and reps. especially if it's a dangerous lift, like deadlift (#1 back breaker) and bench (#1 gym casualty)
you get your bench to 3x or 4x bodyweight and feel your body instinctively hit Flight Mode every time before you even begin the setup. powering thru that is true test of willpower.
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I skip a good amount of my cardio sessions. I just get so bored.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
That's a major goalpost shift. Look at pics of the feet of ultramarathon runners. Pushing through pain for hours and hours and hours.
Don_Himself 6y ago
there is no danger in running. cardio death toll is virtually 0. get real fam.
cardio does not trigger a fight or flight response. cardio is just a test on how long you can personally go. in the back of your mind, you know your body has your back at the end of the day. you are safe, even if you fail.
however, failure on a heavy deadlift and/or bench is legit terrifying. therefore, powering through that each and every time you step to the bar is far more of a test of willpower and courage than freaking running.
even with spotters, there is always a strong chance the bar can just slip out of your hands if youre grinding an extremely heavy rep and slam on you. i've seen certified professional strongman slip up and die under the bar. even eddy hall has had scary accidents at competitions
the only thing that's comparable is fighting... but even then, street fighting (real danger) is illegal anyway and MMA fighting is fairly safe through refs & regulations.
heavy lifting is till #1 for traning willpower by far
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Epictetus2017 6y ago
I had doctor proscribed diet that required me to put my body into ketosis before transitioning to a low carb diet over the course of one month
It was extremely effective (24 lbs in one month initially, now on month 4) but I was dealing with sugar addictions and very low energy as a result. Miserable for three weeks, but then it got better.
I will never eat complex carbohydrates (potatoes, rice, corn, refined bread, etc) or sugar again. Best thing I cut out of my life.
Entropy-7 6y ago
My sister swears by Dr. Poon and as she explains it, and by observing her diet, it seems to be largely about this. She selects high protein, low carb foods and lets the fat sort itself out.
Personally, if I am trying to cut then I go high protein, low fat and let the carbs sort themselves out. I would go a bit stir crazy without dairy products.
From what I have read, the problem with self-induced ketosis is that you will burn out in the gym and won't be able to hit your peak lifts. I recall one recommendation that you alternate keto with a more standard diet to keep your energy levels up for training days.
thewhitefox7 6y ago
Check out carb backloading. I'm eating CH only post workout. I've dropped to now around 9-10bf (at 202 pounds) and my lift are slightly going up on the cut.
Entropy-7 6y ago
Tradtional wisdow is you front load so you charge your batteries before going to town. How does backloading work?
I am low 20s BF but want to get down to mid-teens for purely aesthetic reasons. When I was in the army it was about performance but now I just want to look good for my babe (and my clients. . because it helps).
I am 5'10" and 180 or so. That's 26-27 BMI. I want to get down to 175 (BMI 25, in the "normal" range") and then pack on 10 pounds of muscle.
At 18 to 20 I was a wirey kid training with the military and between 145 and a buck 60. At 50, my body doesn't work the same any more.
thewhitefox7 6y ago
Well, you in backloading you charge your batteries before going to town. Even more so than conventional diet:
Let's suppose you wake up 7. You eat breakfast at least one hour from waking up, most optimally around 5-6 hours from waking up. You eat your 'breakfast' at ~11, you eat veggies, fat, protein. This combination takes a lot to get digested, so the nutrients are slowly released even up to 8 hours after your meal. You eat you veggie, fat, protein lunch. You work out at 16~, finish 17~. At 18 you eat fast acting proteins like protein powder (whey/isolate) and some high GI carbs like white, sticky rice or white potatoes. This meal is at full peak at you blood in around 40-60 minutes. So 2h after your work out, when your muscles tend to absorb nutrients the most (resistance training causes upregulation of nutrient transporters in muscles for some time) AND you still have some of that nutrients you have eaten at breakfast in your blood.
However, I would suggest you to get to 12% BF then try to pack on muscle. 10 pounds of pure muscle is A LOT. By being at 20% you fuck up your gains, because fat is very hormonally active tissue, but not in a way we want it - it absorbs surplus nutrients, produces estradiol, lowers your testosterone release. In your place I would try to do 'Carb Nite', so a keto diet with weekly carb loadings. It is more beneficial long term than strict keto.
On a side note, BMI is kind of garbage. I am around 9% bf and my BMI is 26, so according to that I am overweight. :P
AdrianWerner 6y ago
I actually find it far easier than normal diet. Obese people are obese because they're addicted to crap food. Ketosis cuts it out completely. You can't even have cheat days really, because after that day is over you will need to spend good portion of the week before you go keto again.
It's like with smoking or drinking. If your'e a smoker or an alcoholic you need to cut those things out completely. At most you do it gradually, but the long-term you need those things gone from your life. If you try to stick to "just few cigaretes a day" or "just a drink every couple days" you will likely fail? \ Same with food. If you keep eating shit and just try to keep it's volumne to low you are far more likely to fail than if you would cut it out completely. Not to mention keto curbs the apetite, making it even easier to stick to the diet. Heck, on keto I can do 40 hours fasts ended with heavy weight lifting session and feel perfect - no hunger, no loss of strenght. Just a breeze
Also..keto doesn't mean crappy tasting food. You just need to start cooking yourself. There are plenty of delicious keto-friendly recipees.
ryantheman2 6y ago
Done this... My energy level was lower at first. I was always hungry for the first 10-15 days, even feeling weak sometimes, and then my energy levels went through the roof.
Now I maintain an 80% paleo diet, 80% of the benefit at 20% effort.
omega_fat 6y ago
Ketosis is for the weak of will. Try no fat diet and be hungry all the time. This is never feel hungry, just lethargic diet. Also, it's no magic, you can gain weight on ketosis easily. Just consume more calories. No better or worse than other diets.
SuperPoop 6y ago
Nuts are fine. Also, for those trying this, it is important to eat fatty meat and get the right macros of fat. Butter, oils and nuts provide this.
I didn't know this going into it and started having dizzy spells.
Dada2fish 6y ago
No one ever seems to mention dairy food. Where does it fit in? I've eliminated everything on the carb list since October 1st and was told I would lose weight. Just eliminate those things and the weight will fall off. Easy! Okay, I did just that and my weight is exactly the same. Maybe even a few pounds heavier. Oops! Oh yeah, they forgot to mention you should eat very little dairy too. So I wasted 2 months. My suggestion to newbies trying to get into a Keto diet. Don't follow a Facebook Keto group or even a Reddit one. You will get all kinds of conflicting advice. Everyone is different and everyones weight loss (or gain) will be different. I can't tell you how many times I was told "just trust the process" and the weight will fall off soon. Just keep going. Nope. Didn't work and I almost lost my drive and motivation. I was very angry and sad to be led down the incorrect path. There are some great books out there like "Why We Get Fat" by Gary Taubes and some websites like Diet Doctor that break down this lifestyle and way of eating in complete and in easy to understand ways. Take the advice I'm giving myself. Arm yourself with information from many sources, then set a start date. My new date is January 1st. I had an initial goal to reach for this summer, but now I won't reach it since 2 months were wasted, but I brushed off my discouragement and vowed to start all over again. Again, don't listen to individual advise. Every body is different. Get general information and adjust it to what works for you and remember to eat very little DAIRY foods also or like me, you may not lose any weight. I'm really clueless to why people tend to omit that part of eating keto.
jonib0ni 6y ago
Isn't this kind of diet really expensive though? Unless you go for the super cheap (=disgusting) meat at the supermarket which is not a good idea imo.
omega_fat 6y ago
Protein is protein, fat is fat and the body doesn't care where they come from. Organic is slightly better taste but isn't worth it unless you are rich. Supermarket eggs and chicken is perfectly fine. So no, can be real cheap.