Matched with a girl on tinder HB7, she instantly sends me a message "whats up". I wait till after work to respond cause I got things to do. We exchange about two messages and I seed the idea of getting drinks. She is down, she asks when? I tell her tonight. She says "cool".
We plan to rendezvous at a nearby bar close to her house. I get there slightly early, order a drink and wait for her. She arrives and looks pretty good (you can never trust tinder pictures).
In no time we are vibing, bantering, drinking craft beers. She confesses that she came to the bar a little tipsy, she had been drinking earlier. I'm cool with that, makes it easier for me to fuck. She says she likes to smoke when she drinks and that she has cigars back at her place. At this point I'm thinking "this is going to be easy, straight to her house fuck and fuck the shit out of her."
During our conversation I picked up numerous red flags (previous near OD drug encounters, bi-sexuality, stories about her ex being abusive, her being engaged a couple of months ago, she is a cosmetologist, mom smoking weed etc.). Anyway its all good, no plans for anything more than a ONS or maybe a plate.
I escalate smoothly with no issues, kiss her and grab her ass, she likes it, close the tab, lead her out suggesting we head to her house. We get in her car and drive to her place. We get there and she lives in a studio filled with her paintings and designs etc... usual hippy/artsy girl shit. I continue to escalate, I experience some LMR. Cool, nothing I cant handle. I relax and try again, getting better results with every move forward.
I go to the bathroom to piss, I look in the trashcan and I discover three used condoms (they looked fairly fresh, probably from the night before). I chuckle in my head "AWALT". Doesn't bother me, cause I know "NO GIRL BELONGS TO YOU, ITS JUST YOUR TURN"
She suggests we watch a dvd (who still keeps dvds anyway). I pick one and as soon as it starts to play, she jumps on me. We start making out. She says "I'm on my period". I call bullsit, so I shrug and ignore her (shit test passed). She's wearing a skimpy black dress with no bra no panty's. Shit! this is going to be easier than I thought.
She asks for a massage, I massage her back for a while. I go hard and she likes it real hard especially when I use my knuckles to kneed her neck. I pull up her dress, smack her ass, she moans in enjoyment. Then she says "pull my dress back down." I disregard her command. She pulls it down herself, I continue to rub her body but when I get to the pussy she pulls back. Did this for a while until she said lets cuddle. And this is where I made the mistake: Cuddled with her in hopes of fucking, tried to escalate while cuddling, she wasn't going for it.
She eventually falls asleep, I have to be at work in the morning so I have to exit this situation. I request an uber and I head out. Oh well......
In the uber I think to myself, if there were condoms in her trashcan and some other chad was fucking her the night before, why didn't she give it up to me (there is song with the same title by Sean Paul). What did I do wrong. Fellas where did I go wrong?
On to the next one, might have another tinder date planned for this weekend.....
Bucketdweller 6y ago
You were an experiment. She's thinking about committing herself to a boyfriend, but is afraid of what she might be missing by doing so. She was testing herself to see whether or not she would want to fuck a fuckable guy she picked from the tinder meat market.
If you had stayed the night she likely would have ghosted you.
PillDragon 6y ago
This is what I love about these FRs. The girl herself wouldn't be able to put it this succinctly.
babybopp 6y ago
3 condoms, maybe a gangbang.? If pussy was a no go area, She could legitimately have been on her period... call her in a week.
Bucketdweller 6y ago
3 condoms is likely not a gangbang. I've gone through twice as many on a late night. Also, I have yet to meet the girl who doesn't like a good period fucking; It's free lube!
Edit: should still text in a week. She seems on the fence regardless.
SillyPutty47 6y ago
Agreed. Hit it twice at night and once in the morning. Could also have been from a roommate or the condoms were a couple days old, not the night before. Most girls don't care it's their period but most wouldn't go no panties on their period.
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This guy fucks on another level hahahaha.
tater08 6y ago
This guy knows exactly whats up
ozaku7 6y ago
Or maybe she's just horny and just needs a dick and the excitement of fucking a stranger.
Bucketdweller 6y ago
Maybe, but then she wouldn't have asked to cuddle.
ozaku7 6y ago
Cuddling activates her motherly instincts, not her procreating instincts. That behaviour is reserved for sons, not men.
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Boxyard 6y ago
That's the vibe I got. Although how many girls nowadays use condoms with their bfs? Every one I know is on BC.
idontlikethisbutok 6y ago
Please don't drink and drive.
Not enough attraction obv to answer your question.
Would have said 'nah' here and left its possible she would have turned.
Bucketdweller 6y ago
Leave and text next week. Turnoffs can be turned into reciprocal turnons.
pugh88 6y ago
Also a note on choking. Never think about whether she likes choking or not.
YOU like choking.
Xhaka-Laca 6y ago
During this entire encounter, I choked her about three times. It turned her on, but apparently not enough for her to open her legs.
whuttupfoo 6y ago
Dude I got into the exact same situation before. I ended up going pretty rough. I was tossing her like a rag doll because I got frustrated by her LMR. She was clearly liking the roughness.
But she still resisted, so I said fuck this. I reached for the heavens, grabbed Zeus’ lightning bolt, and descended my hand with a force 10x that of Hurricane Irma. My open palmed hand struck her face with the might of the gods, the sound of it reverberated off the walls of her bedroom, leaving my hands tingling with a thousand needles.
Her response, she fucking loved it. But STILL resisted. There’s no other force that can come greater than that other than a closed fist. I’m not about to punch this bitch so I left. She was a feminist SJW type so I was not going to risk a lawsuit of any kind.
VenusHypergamy 6y ago
lol
you mean life in jail
Bucketdweller 6y ago
Apparently not if you're good at swimming.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
Someone give this man gold.
1v1crown 6y ago
should of just knocked her teeth out and took it like Odin intended.
Should_have_listened 6y ago
Did you mean should have?
This is a bot account.
redvelvet_oreo 6y ago
I think her giving LMR and backing down once was ok but then giving into her massage demands and denying you again should have been the time you got up and left. SHe might have chased you she might not have but the chick dosent even sound worth it. She sounds like she has bee around the block quite a few times. I would stay away from someone openly admitting they almost OD a few times etc etc.
Also I hope you are keeping condoms on you. Dont forget to wrap your cock son!
Xhaka-Laca 6y ago
I totally agree, not worth it. Yes I always wrap it up, I ain't playing when it comes to these hoes
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DodgedAFew 6y ago
They would be there even you did not.
toast_99 6y ago
If Arsenal were in the champions league you'd have never had this problem
Xhaka-Laca 6y ago
Hahaha classic. Wenger Out!
Steve_Wiener 6y ago
First of all, that's fucking disgusting about the condoms. Prob would have been a deal breaker for me.
As to why you didn't get the sex, probably a number of things:
-Your physicality/escalation/sexing up game could be weak
-Your frame isn't strong enough.
You need to make it more about you, i.e. into your frame when you're with them. Don't give them massages. Basically ignore everything they say as lmr because hoes live with a disgusting amount of cognitive dissonance (obviously don't ignore a serious "STOP" from her). Etc, don't regard anything they say, turn everything into a joke, do what you want without fear.
Boxyard 6y ago
Agreed. I'm probably out after seeing the condoms, just depends on how drunk/horny I am
VasiliyZaitzev 6y ago
Should anything that comes after this part be surprising?
NightwingTRP 6y ago
The lack of an f-close was actually quite the twist.
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A few things.
1) Bisexuality isn't a reg flag. 90% of the girls I've hooked up with are sexually attracted to women in one way or another. Don't bother worrying about it.
2) Cosmologist, or cosmetologist? Two very different things.
The girl is obviously a bit off, don't read too much into why she didn't want to have sex.
If I had to guess though it was probably premature escalation. She knew she could have you once you started grabbing her ass in the bar. It probably made you appear too eager. I usually play it cooler until we get back to one of our houses and then escalate, a kiss/light makeout being the furthest I'll go. The buildup is often times more intense for her and communicates you aren't desperate to get laid.
Overall, good job. She has issues but you handled yourself fine. I'd proceed with minimal effort or next her, especially if she gives you any shit.
pugh88 6y ago
By agreeing to massage her, at her request, she was leading the interaction putting you in her frame. Because you're in her frame, when you went for the pussy you get swatted away.
Instead, when she tells you to do something or tries to lead, do not respond verbally. Instead grab the back of her neck (assert your physical dominance) and look displeased. Be prepared for her to resist (she will) and squeeze harder. You'll normally see a moment of puppy dog eyes at this point. Now kiss her. While kissing her, remove your hand from the back of her neck and begin lightly choking her from the front.
Should be smooth sailing from there my friend.
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This seems dangerous, there are some crazy girls out there.
pugh88 6y ago
He was at a bar with her grabbing her ass and kissing. They're back at her place. She's asking him to massage her.
He doesn't respond directly. Instead, he puts his hand on her neck and squeezes.
It's not rape man.
[deleted] 6y ago
But if she says she was raped by him, he will get fucked even if he gets found innocent. It's not worth ruining your reputation or even your life (if somehow they say you're guilty) for a girl. There are millions out there.
pugh88 6y ago
This argument is dished out a lot. And it's true. There are definitely crazies out there that will make false rape claims.
However, this is not the majority. Maybe, what, 10% of women might do this? And that's being very generous. Probably more like 1 or 2%.
Now with these type of women, you are at risk of a false rape claim even if you did nothing wrong. Holding her neck doesn't increase the risk eventuating.
Women want to be manhandled. You have to use your judgement, as best you can, to determine if she's getting turned on by your escalation (it's pretty obvious) and proceed from there. De-escalate if necessary.
illusive_one 6y ago
Idk about choking on the first fuck, wtf u were good until that part lol. Just push her down and mount her wtf. And oh yea WHIP IT OUT. I guess most guys dont know that. its never failed, once its out and touching them, they're gonna just say fuck it and want it inside em. Unless she isnt turned on enough
pugh88 6y ago
I choke before first kiss mate. Whipping out is great too.
Deadlybeef 6y ago
Maybe she's one of those rape-game chicks.. only god knows whats wrong with that one.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
..... And only one way to find out
Mr-Ed209 6y ago
You don't know the backstory with the condoms. Coul have been a FWB, ex BF situation for example.. someone who's already put the work in.
When you escalated did you try and get her to do anything for you? I feel that's where you went wrong. Everything you did would still have forced her to take some initiative. Like pulling her dress up - what can she do with that if you don't take charge? Immediately turn around and shout at you to put it in her? Unlikely
First time hook ups seem to go through that awkward make out touching up phase where you just try and get more handsy until she starts to initiate. It's weird because it's usually a one way thing until you actually get to sex. After the back rub you could have made out more and moved her hand onto your junk asked for 'your turn' with a wry smile. Took charge and actually told her to take her dress off etc.
dutchgguy 6y ago
You shouldn't have let her fall asleep.
Xhaka-Laca 6y ago
I agree with this, thats when everything started to go downhill. After the massage she felt relaxed, started yawning and went to bed. Tried to rub the pussy by she wasn't having it. Even tried to wake her up but she was out cold.
ozaku7 6y ago
You match with a Tinder girl that plans so easily a drink with you and you expect her still to be a virgin or what?
Maybe she was really on her period, last 2 chicks that claimed to be on their period made my crotch cherry red, Mr. Shittest.
Because you were too pussy to do it, she did it for you, otherwise nothing would happen.
How cute
Meh, you were passive, you bored her and dried up her vagina. While the real man before you filled up 3 condoms.
You could have also just fallen asleep aswell, whatever...
I'm sorry but this entire post is garbage.
BluepillProfessor 6y ago
Maybe you shouldn't believe what women say and instead you should watch what they do.
ozaku7 6y ago
I speak from experience that those who said so actually were. I found out because I was actually inside of them.
We don't know what OP did with her that day that she blows him off with a bullshit reason. But just because a woman takes you home doesn't mean she's down to fuck. Chad was simply a man and for all we know OP was just a pussy that dried her up completely.
OP is just mad that the guys before him got laid and not him and feels entitled instead of accepting that he is of lower quality than she actually desires.
Maybe if men would shame women less on the men they fucked and actually listen to how they hooked up, what happened, what they thought and felt, you can learn alot more than just from a bunch of incels writing FR's like this.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
You mean the real men, what he never mentioned was one condom was a magnum, one a regular sized one and one was covered in shit.
ozaku7 6y ago
In which case OP is just mad anyone else got a piece of her but he doesn't because he's on the bottom of the ranks.
illusive_one 6y ago
I kinda agree he was thinking too much, girls like being mounted like a bitch in heat, she already let you know she wants to fuck, if i pulled her skirt up i woulda probably whipped it out and put it between her cheeks. Not like if she said no i cant put it back in my pants, but most likely at that point the're gunna want it
Xhaka-Laca 6y ago
At one point I mounted her, she was receptive then she moved away. I'm always reluctant to push to much in case of false rape accusations
SageStarSeed 6y ago
It was good that you backed off. You are not reluctant because of false rape claims, you just don't want to rape her. She said no, and you respected that.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
But around here we go by the 3x no rule. He bailed early
ozaku7 6y ago
Why would you want to fuck a woman that says the first 2 times no? This is fucking sad and hilarous.
smirk_addict 6y ago
Keep doing what you are doing man. Good field report. You're smart and you were unfazed by seeing the used condoms. You get it.
ozaku7 6y ago
You should never have to push. If she wants you, she will come to you. A woman that you need to convince while on top of her is a waste of time and it's better to just leave.
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ozaku7 6y ago
If a woman really wants you, there is no small timeframe when you should whip out your cock and stick it inside of her. She will just let you slowly escalate until she pretty much nonverbally begs. It will be pretty much effortless and you'll just go with the flow.
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Bing400 6y ago
Yo what is this cosmology garbage? There are so many women into this shit.
RighteousSouljah 6y ago
Disgusting bro you are straight up kissing other mens dicks and sperm. Cuck to the max.
Datebayoo 6y ago
You wasn't ''chad'' enough to fuck on first date. You a beta bucks to her, sry man, try another chick.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
"I wait till after work to respond cause I got things to do."
That's not why.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
When she said "I'm on my period" you should have said "good, because I don't use these" then mashed the condoms in her mouth and choke fucked her, barebacked.
mapleridge_ 6y ago
you didnt man enough to go for the close. In those situation women want you to just go for it even she pull back.
smirk_addict 6y ago
NO. Never ever follow this advice...EVER.. For women who fuck like this it could've had nothing to do with OP. You don't need sex this bad to have this kind of reasoning and you definitely don't need it from a woman that thinks this way.