I can not understand hate that semen retention gets here. I will not use the term NoFap because I do not want anyone to think that I have something to do with NoFap Reddit community, because, frankly, I do not know what is wrong with the guys there. And I will not examine, I do not care. I just see from the posts that they are fucked up. Now, on:
I hold semen retention, or abstaining from masturbation, simply, thing that has shaped and changed my life completely. Now, before I was fapping regularly I was not some kind of fucked up guy..rather normal guy - was visiting the gym, did fine with ladies, made fine career..things were honestly pretty fine. However I was just school example of beta guy with occasional alpha bursts due to good looks and muscles...but I failed to spin plates because I developed feelings for every girl I met - after all at the time I was as I said pure plugged in naive Beta. I had to resort to relationships. This is a bit of topic, but why I am saying this: there is a train of thought that semen retention is related to polarity - so before you were jacking off 7 times daily and you were incel omega male, after you stopped jerking off you have become Superman with super powers - and this train of thought is very wrong.
A bit of common sense: I can speak just from my own experience, as everyone can. For it is 100% that semen retention does wonders for some, it does nothing for some, and it has negative consequences for some.
You might say there are some guys who masturbate often and are perfectly fine: I guarantee, you are wrong. There are guys who masturbate up to 6-10 times a month which is completely acceptable and can also be considered semen retention, as effects are the same, but EVERY SINGLE GUY that jerks off 40-50 times a month (or even more) is supplicating cuck with depleted sense of self worth, messed up internal frame, and disorganized hormonal picture (between other effects).
Also, you might say science does not support these theories; I think it is not important at all - science and it's results in these kind of things were always to doubt - and only one thing in this world matters - what works for you. And when something works you do not need to wait for permission from guys in white suits and their official statement that semen retention is powerful.
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I was not even masturbating so much, and I feel POWERFUL changes from semen retention. Changes that cut deep in my being, and further from just physical aspects. I will not write any examples but, just after few days, let alone months, I am different. My sense of self, my emotional strength, inner frame, are simply different. I am less needy, supplicating, without self doubt, more assertive, and make no mistake - I am also better person. I feel like real me. These changes cut beyond what one can consciously achieve. If you have willpower you will teach and discipline yourself to do some things or behave certain way, but these changes will never come from your inner being, as it does with semen retention. I definitely connect better with people and I am more present.
Physical aspects are also noticeable - I have A LOT more energy (and I was energetic before), voice is definitely deeper and firm - in the way that no voice exercise can achieve. Look in my eyes is definitely different and I can tell there is 100% difference in my eyes on semen retention and after ejaculating - you can call me crazy all you like. But I would be crazy to deny what I see.
Looking through last few years, was kind of shocker for me. I changed few countries, few jobs, learned new language, been with a dozen of girls and two longer relationships, which also, as any relationship - shaped my life in a certain way..last few years were anything but static. Life goes fast and when I look back so many things happened..anyway.. What was the shocker here? I got goose bumps as I type this:
NONE of these things would have happened if I masturbated regularly. It is all connected. One example how it rolls: semen retention gave me enough power to start boxing after job. And also to meet new people in the club and be social. One of these new people is guy who become a friend and offered me a job. On the job I have met a girl that seemed cute and I was able to seduce her, again, because I just had that attitude, and she payed me trip to Paris. There I have met the guy who is owner of German language school and was giving me some cheap offers if I wanted to learn a language. And of course I did it.
After I broke up with mentioned girl, there is a specific reason I was very eager to find a new fuck toy: you can hold semen retention just so long, sooner or later you HAVE to fuck something. Lengths and things you will do to fuck something while on semen retention can not be achieved through normal motivation: you literally do not care about rejections, anxiety, who sees you, like, nothing. You will be able to approach 10 chicks daily and you will not give second thought to any rejection. That is how powerful you become and you can be sure your search for a girl will bring you to new people, places or events, and this power and confidence does not count only for women - you will just get balls all around. And that is how it is - man is wired to leave the house for hunting, fucking, and conquering, and when you jerk off you throw all that through the window by wiping your sperm, staying at home and watching Netflix.
Next girlfriend I found took me to her place in the city center, I was commenting how hard it is to find apartment there (it is)..then she said her neighbor is moving out in one month and she will set me up if I need it - that is how I have got my apartment, after months of pleading landlords, construction companies, and offering bribes, and failing. If I just masturbated I would still live in a shit hole in suburbs complaining about housing bubble.
What I am saying, is not to brag - but to show you on simple examples how semen retention will PUSH AND FORCE you to do things, which will attract new people and possibilities in your life, thus, shaping it in a ways which will not happen if you are satisfied. Many of these pushing and forcing will relate not just to winning things just for the sake of it or simply finding a way to spend your new found energy, but also largely to finding a chick you want to fuck, and then going some lengths to do so; but do not argue with nature. Women choose, we qualify, that is how it is.
As someone famous said, hungry lion is a dangerous cat.
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I am not the best writer and someone else would have written this better, but I think the red pill has to stop with semen retention hating, we need to look it through red lens: semen retention is a tool that will push you further and beyond. And no, it is not done in order to desexualize yourself or whatever the fuck those retards from NoFap are saying - it is done in order to make you assertive, willful, ballsy, driven, firm man which wants three things: to hunt, to fuck, to win - that is what are we made for.
Semen retention will definitely help you to fight all the blue pill conditioning you have been thought - because when your instinct kicks in, everything you know goes right through the window, and then; following experience will teach you better then 10 years of reading Manosphere.
If you doubt anything written, please, I beg you; do next, a small 30 days challenge:
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Do not masturbate for 30 days (less then 5 times is ok but first two weeks do not touch if you do not have to take a piss) (you can fuck of course but try not to ejaculate too much)
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Do not use smartphone in your private time, just regular cell phone (no buts here)
- Take short cold showers immediately after waking and right before sleep
Do this and tell me that it was not a game changer. You have any doubts? Just do my 30 days challenge. This is not some kind of monk mode..be normal, go out, fuck your plates, be sociable..just do these three things.
As for meditation, I am not the meditation type, but it is nice to sometimes lye on the bed, breath deeply, and feel masculinity and energy in your being.
I will gladly participate in the comments.
SamuraiPizzaCatz 7y ago
NoFap is bullshit. All it does is make you horny and frustrated enough to try. And that's only if you had the potential to do it in the first place, otherwise it just makes you miserable and hamster why sex isn't important anyway. Porn is bad, and fapping 50 times/week is bad, but if you aren't a chronic masturbator then NoFap is a waste of time.
The amount of absolute fucking losers in the NoFap sub should serve as a testament to what NoFap is and does. And Cold Showers ™ are great for increasing cortisol and wasting your time being miserable for 5 minutes.
kupakuma 7y ago
The problem I personally have with the nofap community is that they do not see it from a redpill perspective. They get the benefits of masturbation, and porn abstinance. However, they exaggerate seemingly normal social interactions all of us should be able to do on a regular basis. "ZOMG I kept eye contact today!".. "Holy shit, I asked a girl out. Literally superhuman!"
CQC3 7y ago
Don't see why this is such a big deal.
Once a week or once every couple of days. Stop obsessing about jerking off or not jerking off. It's a fucking placebo for bigger problems. Guys who talk about how they felt drained after blowing a load and how all their cosmic energy was lost are jackasses. You simply created a cycle of associations. You believe that blowing your load makes you lose some quintessential masculine essence, and so when you do that you make yourself feel guilty and that you're lacking. You become attached to the feeling of sexual pressure and then believe you can't function without it.
One week is more than enough, one week of not blowing a load and I feel like I'm walking around with a loaded gun. Going for long periods of time without actually REMOVES the urgency for me. My dick gets cobwebs on it, and it stops even bothering to try and feel aroused.
I do agree that porn use should be highly restrained or cut out depending on who you are though.
marianasentmenudes 7y ago
I think some guys obsess over not jerking off try to deal with rewiring their brains after porn addiction or bust a nut too quick when fucking
FormlessAllness 7y ago
Well if you have legit porn addiction and porn caused ed you kind of have to stop cold turkey. You have basically trained your mind to associate cumming to a computer screen, your hand and a shit ton of dopamine. You basically cause ADHD like State were you can only cum from a shit ton of changing images and stop looking for social signs from women. So yeah for some people it's needed. But it doesn't give you superpowers and shit. It probably lowers your test too. It's also kinda beta to watch another man fuck a girl you want. That's pretty beta. I don't do nofap but I recognize it could probably help 90 percent of guys.
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_Trigglypuff_ 7y ago
Fucks your dopamine levels. Watching porn is a dopamine waterfall.
Life is then just a drip.
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WolfofAnarchy 7y ago
Porn is bad regardless. You do not have a single reason to use it.
aanarchist 7y ago
it's pretty much the only societally accepted addiction that i can think of. people pretty much expect that if a dude isn't getting laid he's jerking off like every day because dudes are always horny. i'd consider it part of the grand conspiracy to create betas and omegas that are weak. either way a dude for his own health if he feels like he has to jack off to do it no more than once a week. orgasms are better in general if you've got a full tank and women like it more too unless she's an uptight feminist obsessed with being all clean. can only assume that the only guys she's actually seen cum were chronic masterbators who dribble like 2 drops of cum, i can only assume that it's a little disappointing that that's all he managed as opposed to a dude blasting her face with a hose, makes her feel like she's desirable and that she did a good job.
CQC3 7y ago
I agree, while I think porn isn't the worst thing ever, and most people are probably okay, it's just one of those things that you're better off without. Don't worry about whether porn should be allowed or not, or whether anyone should watch it. It should be good enough for you to know that you shouldn't and won't.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you stop watching/jerking off to porn, and limit your masturbation ONLY to your imagination (and no thinking of porn you've watched), then your habits will naturally fall in line. I'd be hard pressed to believe a lot of men would jack off every day multiple times if it was just solo and no supplementary material.
Not watching porn is one thing, saying men shouldn't jack off is another. In my experience, when you limit masturbation only to your imagination and nothing else, you stop trying to look for the dopamine hit because the only time vanilla masturbation is going to be satisfying is if you have let the lust build up for quite awhile and just need to release.
I just can't look at porn the same way, it's comically unreal and I see it for the product that it is.
setzer_ 7y ago
This is absolutely true. There is nothing wrong with masturbating, porn is the problem without question.
Some guys will claim "oh but I have to get a release" when they are completely out of touch with the fact that the mental stimulation is the real thing they are addicted to.
You phase out porn, your needs to masturbate for the sake of releasing a load DRASTICALLY reduce. No one needs to masturbate nearly as much as they think. Porn is the addiction and the problem.
People will just make excuses time and time again anyway they can then actually face what the problem really is.
MAWL_SC 7y ago
I agree that pornography is the problem. There are so many psychological factors; do you find yourself gravitating towards a certain scenario that involves sex you've never actually experienced? Then lament that you will never be able to have it for real? Or does it make you chase something you would have never thought of in the first place, had you not seen it on a screen. It then puts you on a scale with an impossible metric? Not to mention how a mere naked body puts your mind into sexual overload. I'm kind of rambling but I think there is some worth in there.
leafsome 7y ago
It is not a mental problem. Guys who exhausted after jerking off have some psyological problems.
CQC3 7y ago
The only time Nofap makes sense in the way it is portrayed is for guys who have an extreme addiction to PMO (porn masturbation orgasm). These guys are tugging themselves a couple times a day and watching a ton of porn until they become physically and emotionally desensitized. So I can see why they preach nofap so much, but they project too much. They had a specific problem and solved it, and then think that everyone has that problem.
I have my own vices, porn is not one of them. Maybe as you get a bit older (late 20's) it gets easier than when you're a crazy horny teenager, but I think it has more to do with perspective. It's funny to me because occasionally I would try to rub one out to porn just to stoke the flames a bit when I was in a dry period and also got used to not jacking off much. Hilariously, porn was not all that stimulating.
I already realized before I found this place that looking at porn was sort of odd once you remind yourself what you're doing: watching other people fuck and then jerking off to it. Most people get around this by focusing highly on parts and positions and blocking the dude out and reducing him to just a penis.
Meditation further "ruined" porn for me because the more mindful you are when watching porn the more sober the experience is, there's no haze. So an odd thing happened, I would be there about to squeeze one out to porn just for the sake of experimentation, and remaining mindful...I laughed. Without the sexual haze that you induce on yourself...porn is fucking funny. It's just awful. Some chick comes to get boned and you're just sitting there thinking how unusual this whole thing is, this guy is sticking his ding dong inside of a girl and a bunch of people are fapping to it. It's just body parts colliding, is there anything unusual about it?
That magic is gone.
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THEDICKDEALER 7y ago
Man I'm suffering as well can we talk
FigotedBaggot 7y ago
Don't regret the time spent addicted if that's what the regret is about. It's something to learn from and get stronger from.
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FigotedBaggot 7y ago
I understand, that must be painful to think about. Which is exactly why you shouldn't. What you said at the end was true, you can't change it just have to move forward.
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max_peenor 7y ago
There have bene times in my life that I was so fucking horny that I would have mounted a porcupine on fire with napalm and juggling hand grenades if it was the only means of ejaculating. I definitely had an issue there.
Or a few dozen.
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Spets87 7y ago
Yep, having a worthwhile goal is super important to pour that extra energy from noFap. Otherwise the energy just gets pent up and is a distraction in itself. At least for me.
THE_StrongBoy 7y ago
This should be the top comment
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The problem, as you've Illustrated in your post, is that MGTOW and NoFappers alike lose their way. Going your own way and not masturbating should both be the end result of healthy activities commandeering one's life.
Yet these two cancerous subgroups make it the end goal rather than a simple byproduct of hard work. Basically virtue signalling while they attempt to mimic True Redpill behavior.
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true..been there and i agree. watching porn and jerking off 10 times a week kills your motivation to do shit. i used to doubt this, but seeing the benefits i think this is kind of a lifestyle for me now. once a week to keep the urges in check, past 7 days things start getting really fucked up.
fuxdpus 7y ago
No fap is crap. I've done "no fap" before, not cause I wanted to, but cause I didn't have the opportunity to jerk it for significant stretches of time. No fap can give you more energy (due to sexual frustration). But I didn't become a billionaire. Didn't gain superpowers. And girls didn't suddenly start throwing themselves at me.
No fap can make you hornier. But it won't provide many of the supposed benefits that the no fap cult claims it will. Girls won't suddenly find you more attractive. You won't magically become more successful. If anything, fapping to porn can be an effective way to avoid distraction by women and save you the time and resources of pursuing high cost/low reward women.
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Right, because thousands of guys that are seeing benefits from no fap are wrong.
As, said, it does not work same for everyone.
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I am not interested in cutting sexual ties with women, and I am not frustrated by rejections.
I simply practice semen retention because it makes me better man. Simple as that.
Expectations1 7y ago
Hmm ive been on and off nofap. Almost like an experiment, i would conclude that fapping (atleast to high speed internet porn) affects your reward system to the extent that you get into this "meh" state and not getting off your arse because you got a whole bunch of interactive ladies waiting for you.
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I do not know, I rarely to never watch porn. I think it is not much different, if you do not watch porn then you visualize something, which is also very powerful.
giggity23 7y ago
Commenting to come back here later
sadomasochrist 7y ago
I was a once or twice a day guy for a really long time (with your occasional absolute loss of control, 3-5 time day). I think any claim outside of sexual claims are complete horseshit.
I now do it between 1-2 times a month. The rest is directed towards women.
I put it this way, simply. I think it's natural and healthy to feel like a rapist on the verge of losing it. You sublimate that energy into game, or the bedroom.
If you're incel, throw some cheap hookers in your routine. Whatever you have to do to keep your mind in a predatory mindset. Instead of what Rollo said is "pheromonal beta."
I don't know if fucking every day gives you the same mindset, I suppose it's similar. But it's a different aura. You're calm, but not mute.
I see value in this, but there's just a lot of woo bullshit here.
bookofcookies 7y ago
I am curious, how old are you?
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gaydabsquad 7y ago
Ahh another post telling me I shouldn't furiously beat my
wifewang.Soalian 7y ago
But Semen Retention is different from NoFap isn't it? As I understand it you could be jerking off without ejaculating and still retain semen
s0ul2SqueeZ 7y ago
Meh I'm not going to jerk off at all. Up to you. I feel more of a man for not jerking. Haven't in 45 days.
Gawernator 7y ago
I dunno I do it regularly enough where I don't see how this could effect me. I only jack it like once a month
trp_starboy 7y ago
How are you not just having sex once a month instead?
Gawernator 7y ago
I have sex 5~ times a week. I don't understand your question
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I bet your banana doesn't smile nearly as much since you went nofap
SolaireOfCaestora 7y ago
So, what if I just fuck every day/multiple times a day. I'm pretty sure I've fucked every day for the last month, maybe missed a day or two. I haven't masturbated though...
NeoreactionSafe 7y ago
I'd say the minimum time between fapping should be a week.
If you did it every monday and no other time you would be fine.
Every day? No.
Every three days? No.
Try going a month? Sure.
I've gone for months before... it's a challenge, but it has been done before.
It won't kill you if you don't fap.
That being said don't create the "NoFap Cult" and start glorifying the fact you never do it.
Like with the "MGTOW Cult" of celebacy you can go off the deep end if you overly glorify anything.
RedPilledGodEmperor 7y ago
I agree with this. I usually go at least a week without fapping or any other type of release.
Phoenixtorment 7y ago
At the minimum it is a useful discipline exercise.
WolfofAnarchy 7y ago
It's not just a useful one. It's the best one, by far. You're not giving in to the deepest urge your body can produce.
naMlliPdeR 7y ago
Over a year NoFap here. I do it because allowing myself to fap decreases my drive to hit on girls. And for me it's much easier to never fap than to so it weekly. I think weekly takes more discipline than never.
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185poundsofhatredWIP 7y ago
Tl;dr Handsome muscular guy stops wasting time by fapping and being on his phone, suddenly starts being the ladies man.
If science doesn't support it, you shouldn't care.
Some people might feel none, or even negative effects by practicing semen retention.
TheSlicemanCometh 7y ago
No, not fapping will not change your voice. That part is all in your head. Powerful effect even so.
TheRealDeweyCox 7y ago
Once a week on Sunday night. Say no more
failingtheturingtest 7y ago
Nothing you wrote suggests that it is the "wonder power of semen retention" that changed anything in your life. You changed your attitude, and part of that change was to also stop masturbating so much.
I started to drink water using my left hand and now can run faster than ever before. It's amazing. Best decision ever.
So, basically I decided to drink water with my left hand, and I joined a gym and started training to run. Before this, I was a fat slob, but now that I drink water from my left hand, I am fit and healthy. WHY ISN'T EVERYONE DOING THIS!
KennethKaunda 7y ago
Why would anyone listen to someone who types like an 8 year old? You're barely coherent dude. You can't even spell 'lie' for fucks sake.