One misconception I commonly hear from BP guys and girls is that girls go to college as innocent, naive, and overall good girls. After going to college, however, these good girls get corrupted and change into attention craving, dick thirsty, girls.
We've all seen it. The cute girl from your high school that never said a word is suddenly being tagged in pictures at a frat house wearing nothing but spandex, a neon shirt, and a flower head band with the caption "I LOVE COLLEGE."
Your girlfriend of a few years who you thought you loved so much goes cold after only a few weeks away at school and leaves your sorry ass. Next thing you know, she's tagged in pictures making out with different chicks and looking like a whore.
That girl you met at college who ended up fucking you in the first hour of meeting you only to later find out she has a boyfriend back home who "doesn't need to know."
That girl who fucks multiple dudes in a weekend and acts like it's normal.
That girl who cheats on her boyfriend that goes to the same school as her, but just didn't go out that night.
That girl who hangs around the frat house allll night just waiting for somebody to fuck her. Hint: if she's at your frat house after 1 and isn't with a dude already, she is trying to get fucked.
These girls are not, were not, and never will be the innocent girl you thought they were.
In high school, girls are at least somewhat grounded by their reputation. If you fuck around a lot, your reputation as a whore is known around the school. And one thing we know is that girls hate to be thought of as easy because it drastically lowers their SMV. Even girls less pretty become more attractive than whores because high value guys do not mess around with low value girls, especially in an environment where social status is everything. Money, careers, and other factors in adulthood simply do not matter as much as social value when it comes to high school.
So in HS the high value girls get into an LTR, try to maintain a good image, have their fun, and are off to college where they are no longer bounded by their reputation. With thousands and thousands of college aged people on campus, it is extremely easy to bounce around from different groups and not have your image follow you.
College allows these girls to do as they wish. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, but as men we need to see it for what it is. College does not change girls, but frees them from the chains that hold back what they desire: attention and stange dick.
Their reputation can no longer suffer how it did in high school. It is expected that girls will act freely upon their desires and college provides the perfect environment to do so. It is just foolish to think these girls were "good" before going to college. They did not get corrupted. They became who they really are.
In my experience, freshman/soph girls will fuck around a lot within the group (frats in my experience), ride the carousel in the house, and then banish by their Jr./Sr. year. These are the same girls that you'll see on FB saying things like "I can't believe I used to go to frats all the time as a freshiee tehe so stupid."
The reality is they hit what I like to think of as the "college wall". After fucking with a lot of guys, they no longer have a chance with the high value guys in that clique and are forced to move on by younger, hotter, and not as used up chicks.
I'm getting kind of side tracked with some thoughts and other work, but I just wanted to put this out there really quick.
[deleted] 10y ago
[deleted]
nataliieportman 10y ago
Exactly. Too many boys, not enough men.
niczar 10y ago
You're underestimating the power of social proof. Read up on Milgram's experiment and the likes. If shit can get normal people to act like fucking nazis, it sure can get any girl to act like a whore. See the male stripper AMA who got his dick sucked by most brides-to-be.
I wouldn't believe it myself if I had'nt seen something similar in action myself with a grand master PUA. We did the following dozens of times. I used to have an appartment in a busy city street with many bars and clubs. We chat up a couple girls for like an hour, he tells them it's my birthday and that we have champagne upstairs. We walk up to my place. He then asks one of a girl to come see something in the other room.
Now he tells her "I wanted to leave them alone because your friend is obviously into them" and I tell the same thing to my girl. Bam. Instant attitude change. If she believes her friend is being slutty, she's going to out-slut her.
I could have fucked hundreds of girls that way if I hadn't had such crippling generalized anxiety disorder. It's that fucking powerful.
Sir_LoudMouth 10y ago
Do you have a link to that AMA?
niczar 10y ago
http://www.redditlog.com/snapshots/1014085
Snivellious 10y ago
Your last two paragraphs there were incredibly insightful. I knew the basic "whore at heart, college lets it out" storyline, but I had never noticed why frat parties are for freshmen and sophomores. "I just don't party anymore" is such a common refrain, and I suddenly realize that it's always from girls who rode the carousel hard during the start of college.
Killigraphy 10y ago
I agree completely, not only does College allow them to fully "transform" into the proper slut High School was vetting them for, it allows them to do so without any judgement or social circles, it divides and allows men to conquer them without any ridiculously imposed school dogma. They're free to fuck who they want without confirmation from their momma hen or Duff.
College ultimately works as a clean slate, where the nerdy girl can be the party slut and totally justify her experience with phrases like "I was young" and "They always invited me". I'd like to thank college, you the real MVP.
LukeMooney 10y ago
Definitely exists, girls that are out constantly partying in to their 2nd and 3rd year are the real life equivalent of 35 year olds in a club full of 20 year olds.
loknarash 10y ago
Good girls aren't unicorns, they're just good girls. Not all women want to ride the cock carousel, some are actually satisfied with just one great cock. Sluts, on the other hand, have always been desperately seeking validation, and damn it, they are strong, independent sluts that can use their bodies to that end.
miss_sogony 10y ago
I honestly think these type of posts are made by grouchy older men forever locked in the anger phase who have never set foot in a college campus anytime recently.
backfor 10y ago
Based upon what I've seen,college seems to be a place for girls to fuck a black guy and another girl before returning to their hometown and becoming their mother.
scamper_22 10y ago
I'm not going to debate if college changes people. If you're not changing throughout your life, you aren't exactly living.
However, being exposed to different situations will have an impact on you and create bigger changes. Are you saying war wouldn't change you? Of course it would. Does it bring out the real you, whatever that is? I have no idea. That's some philosophical question about what is the real person.
I'm generally of the view that you are a product of your experiences and inner values.
One of the ideas behind protecting girls typical in conservative/traditional households is that they do not trust the girls to have good judgment in the world. Therefore, the girls need to be shielded from the world. Eventually she will marry a guy and her needs will be satisfied.
Now we enter a world of freedom. That is college or post high school. It's not unlike your work career. You can slack off and do the easy hedonistic things and screw up your career. Sure it is fun, but you risk blowing your future. You can skip class, drink all day, and play video games. Your career is less likely to be good. It's the same with relationships. You can be easy, get drunk and have sex with lots of guys. It is fun, but you are less likely to find a good mate.
One of the things I look for is the kind of relationship a girl has and what she values. You can tell what she values by her actions.
If a girl has casual sex, she does not value sex. If a girl gets treated like crap by a guy, but still has stays with him and has sex with him, she has low value.
It is not just the ''number' even though some girls obsess over that. My wife's cousin has only had one partner. But he was 40 when she was 19 or something and she was with him for like 7 years or something like that. It wasn't a good relationship possibly leading to marriage. She just needed attention and sex and he was there for it.
I'd rather a girl have 3 healthy relationships that just didn't work out than one like that.
But this is where it gets tricky. Generally, if a girl is in a healthy relationship, she is not likely to leave it. That's from what I've seen at least. So you can actually generalize that a girl with multiple relationships, the multiple relationships have not been healthy. Even if she was in it for a LTR and the guy was not, she showed bad judgment and its a bad relationship unless he is equally committed. Of course, she will blame it on the guy, but she should own that choice she made.
Sure, a virgin is the best, but in my world, a girl with a low number of relatively short relationships is also good. This gives them time to know the person, make sure it works, and then dump them if they're not committed or it is not working.
In any case, girls who screw around in college are the unemployed bums of the female world.
FuriousMouse 10y ago
College is not home and everyone is just a "temporary" person which will eventually leave your life.
Whatever reputation you create for yourself while in college will not stick with you when you leave.
You see exactly the same behavior when people go on vacation.
Artemisnotfowl 10y ago
The whole college girls being slut thing is highly overplayed by media to an extent, believe me, I went to a large state school in Florida (where we have a ton of sluts) and I was also in a fraternity, we threw some of the biggest parties on campus and a lot of the guys were from well off families. Most of the girls that looked good were not sluts at all, the reputation followed them around. People don't get it, college is almost exactly like high school these days and social media has made it much easier for your actions to be known to many others.
My freshman year of college, a girl was caught sleeping around with some guys and gained the reputation as a slut. Most of the girls made fun of her for it and some of the guys slipped condoms under the door to her room. College girls are stereotyped as sluts but the fact of the matter is, they are not these girls who will sleep around with just anyone, the hot ones RARELY do that!
What people don't get is that hot girls in college have their reputation on the line, if they are caught sleeping around with some random guy who has no status then their college experience is going to be ruined. Most of the times in college, there is a 80:20 rule. 20% of the college guys have a monopoly on almost all of the hot girls at that campus while 80% are either in relationships or incel.
A lot of my friends found it much easier to nail girls back in their hometowns since they were automatically DHV when they came back. In their college towns though, only a select number of girls slept around and most of them were not the hot ones. The pretty looking sorority girls you see in photos, well they are not sleeping around as much as you may think, a lot of them are picky. Sure, a football player with high status (think Johnny Manziel type) will fuck these girls and so might some frat star but the vast majority of the times these girls are just busy fishing for validation rather than sleeping around. You might have watched one too many movies about college.
mtersen 10y ago
You are incorrect, the really hot girls dont date guys that are in college, or in their college. The really hot ones know they are really hot and date older men who have already graduated and make shit tons of money. Hot college girls usually bang older, married men. that also ensures that their sparlky reputation stays clean.
trpcounselor 10y ago
You nailed it. The top 20% of girls in terms of looks are (in my experience) banging LESS guys than the average 5-8/10. Why do I know this? Been a friend and slept with a few very hot girls in my life. In fact, one of the hottest girls I know from college is... a virgin. Another, only sleeps with boyfriends. My ex-gf was in the top 10% of looks and had 2 prior partners. I've also slept with 2 girls who model in a FWB situation. One was at 4 prior partners and the other was at a very high number, so while it's always not turning out to a complete generalization, it's held true for the most part.. On the other hand, I've slept with a few girls I don't find that attractive. They were all at 10, 15, 25+... I have a 7/10 (putting on weight, caking on makeup) friend who told me she's at 17 guys. Unbelievable what reality vs actuality is.
The hilarious part is I find that girls who are hotter to be more blatant, or obvious about indicating that they are attracted to you. Serious. I rarely am unsure of a girls attraction level (as I am right now with one particular "plate" who is about a 7/10) but I've always found that the hotter the girl the more easily I know where she stands with me. My thinking is that hotter girls are more unlikely than likely to want anything with a guy, so when they find one they make it clear what the deal is. Whereas the average 7/10 gets pursued by a lot more guys and thus isn't that worried about any one particular guy.
To better put this in perspective, if you got approached by 100 average girls and 2 hot girls in a year, you might string along the 100 average girls while clearly pursuing the 2 hot girls. However, if you're getting approached by 100 hot girls and 2 average girls, you're going to have you choice to pick from and don't feel it necessary to make it clear to any of the 100 girls what your intentions are.
This makes complete sense if you think about it that not many guys have the confidence to approach a girl who is actually attractive.
Artemisnotfowl 10y ago
My girlfriend fits the description of one of the really hot girls that you described, she got approached a lot in college and all of my brothers and other guys said she is cold and unreceptive, looks like I was the lucky one lol.
I would say anywhere from 8-10 range girls have had a lot less sex.
The 6s and 7s are the massive sluts. It is the girls with average looks who do some gimmick to raise their level of attractiveness (nice body, fake tans, fake hair, and lots of makeup) that also tend to be the biggest sluts on campus. You will find these girls at almost every party trying to fuck the higher status guys in order to get themselves recognized, easily some of the bitchiest and coldest girls on campus too. Very fake, loud, rude, obnoxious, and massive sluts. The way these girls treat most guys is insane, they will tell guys to their face how ugly they are or play games to crush guys and their egos.
thewrightstuff88 10y ago
Even in high school good girls are sluts. You always see high value girls of all grades (9-12) get with football players/upper class kids with a nice car/high SMV males. This also applies to guys with avg SMV who gets a girl. It's just the aspect that they are in a relationship which makes it seem innocent but it really isn't. Even in high school they seek to use resources that men have (cars, money for dates, gifts).
In college they simply seek to move up the ladder. High SMV guys will probably not be affected by a summer break up and will continue to rake it in college, especially if they join a frat or move on to college athletics. Avg to low SMV guys who had girlfriends in high school will try to maintain what they have via LDR or going to the same college. The issue here is that it'll only be a matter of time before their "faithful girlfriend" moves on up to upperclassmen or the better looking guy.
When mommy/daddy/avg-low smv are away, the real side comes out to play
vandaalen 10y ago
I think this is mostly a this serious in the US and it derrives from the puritarian mindset, which is still strong with many people there.
It's also kind of related to the prohibition of alcohil until you are 21 and how strict society is about it. When people turn 21 they tend to try to make up for what they missed and let totally go.
It's much different here in Europe.
Firstly with alcohol it's totally normal for minors in some areas to have beer or wine for dinner and lunch, but even where people are not that easy about it you will share a beer or whine with your parents at least after you turned 16. It's just not such a big deal. Parents may not like when their offspring comes home totally pissed when they are 14 but that would mostly not lead to severe punishment.
The same applies to sex. My parents wouldn't bother of I had a girl over as long as it happened on the weekend.
Sex ed isn't controversy at all and although it's very very blue pill it still isn't considered something dirty.
Does that mean that our women are no sluts? Does it mean they don't get drink until they occasionaly pass out? No and no, but it's way more balanced overall.
CishetScum 10y ago
Honestly I disagree.
I don't think slutting is women's inherent nature. It doesn't fall in line with their evolutionary prerogative. (Excluding AF/BB specifically).
Girls slut around because Feminist ideas have convinced them that it is normal, even expected at that stage.
But the way I see it, sluts are really just gambling. They are sleeping around with the Alphas in hopes that one commits to her. It's that female narrative you see everywhere. (Damaged alpha falls for average girl because shes "special").
But as with the 'Nice Guy' this doesn't work. Sluts give away their resource too freely, and more so, they have no other qualities that would make any man commit to them. So they rationalize it away, and the cycle continues until they hit the wall.
In truth, it's not wholly their fault. It's the fault of feminist social values pervading society. It's also the fault of men for not holding women to a higher standard. I don't fault men for taking easy sex (hell, I absolutely take it), its just what we are. But in doing so, we enable this behavior to continue.
Also /u/BrunoOh made a good point about early life exposure and restrictive parents/father. I think another huge aspect of how slutty a girl is depends on her relationship with her father. If she views her (strong) father with respect, admiration, and love, she will seek out men who meet his qualities (Assume her dad has strong frame/alpha etc). It's also really helpful if the father is involved in teaching her about sex and self respect/value. A girl like that is far less likely to fall to the feminist slutting mindset.
tl;dr: Sluts are just gambling for an alpha to commit to them with judgment clouded by feminist BS.
writeonbrother 10y ago
You mean there are good girls?
BrunoOh 10y ago
I don't live in the USA, but this is how I view it:
Step 1: Girl grows up, protective/conservative/'no sex before marriage' parents cockblock every boy that gets within Pluto's orbit.
Step 2: When said girl graduates highschool, she has zero experience with dating and sex.
Step 3: Girl goes to college. Freed from her cockblocking father and surrounded by horny males, she proceeds to rebel by jumping on the CC.
edmproducerXX 10y ago
^ pretty much every Indian girl who goes to US colleges.
Draki1903 10y ago
While everybody of this generation knows it should be no marriage before sex.
[deleted]
gekkozorz 10y ago
No one loves sluts more than us evil misogynist rapists here at TRP. Some chick is offering me free access to as many holes as I want to poke into? Best night ever!
We just wouldn't make those girls our wives.
cover20 10y ago
So get them young and take the handoff of cockblocking duty directly from her father. This is why you ask the father for his daughter's hand in marriage. He's protected that girl for you.
[deleted]
adamryanx 10y ago
Red Pill advice to daughters isn't "Don't have sex." as much as it is "Acknowledge that your sexual promiscuity will affect your SMV, which will affect the quality of relationships you have."
Some RP men prefer virgins. Some RP men prefer a woman who knows how to give mean head. Some have no preference.
Red Pill philosophy isn't one of these over the others. Read our side bar.
87GNX 10y ago
I think Maggie McNeill had a good take on it... basically virginity is like a credit rating. It's like insurance that you're not gonna shirk your duties or walk out...
Meglomaniac 10y ago
The thing that a lot of people dont understand is that it isnt the number of times having sex, but the revolving door of individual partners that causes the problems to relationships.
Girl, 21, 4 serious boyfriends, fucked them all like crazy = not a slut.
Girl 21, 30 random hookups = slut.
[deleted] 10y ago
I'm fairly certain that the only people that don't understand that are the people that think being a slut is a good thing.
chakravanti 10y ago
To be fair, this actually works. If her father teaches her what shit means instead of letting mother spin bullshit, she will make decisions that land her a high SMV man in his 30's damn soon as she rolls off the line at 16.
Today, few can beat mama's hamster. And if she aint got that WHR, dont bother.
Gmun23 10y ago
First of all, this. my gf has a good dad, he died. Now she follows her mom's feminist ways, she got a total beta step dad that provides for the 5 kids . All trp I apply, it leads to "you should like me for who I'm and not constantly want me to be someone i'm not". It's possible that my manipulation is transparent. She's to much of a man, want to make all the decisions. I don't think that she cheated, but kissed a guy on the cheek in the club. Is it wort the effort, she is a 7. Some of the trp works but I might not be projecting right. I broke up with her but we had make up sex so it's like in limbo, kinda together. I'm not sure what to do.
EDIT WHR?
chakravanti 10y ago
Waist to hip ratio. Plate her. Hit it whenever, don't give no shits. She's a slut and it don't fuckin' matter.
[deleted] 10y ago
[deleted]
Gmun23 10y ago
She's was with her friends i know them well, i think she just made out with him, we where in a 1 year ltr, maybe that's holding me back.
aguy01 10y ago
The point is this: Good women are not born. They are made.
C_D_O 10y ago
I mostly agree but I hardly think girls are born sluts or not. Environment is 50% of everything.
Take a kid with genetics predisposing him for psychopathy. Put him in a loving family with a strong upbringing and he will likely turn out to be productive member of society, a pro social psychopath as they say, if maybe a little Machiavellian in his method and prone to risk taking. Take that same kid and put him in an environment where his stepfather beats on him and you're going to end up with a serial killer more than likely.
Maybe a bad analogy, but culture is relevant and ours is a culture that is tuned to the female imperative. Thats amplified in college environments.
sir_wankalot_here 10y ago
There are women who like fucking lots of guys. 1500+ years ago they would become temple prostitutes. If you read the bible closely, even Judism used to have temple prostitutes.
Saturnalia93 10y ago
I agree completely. I've seen what you would think are some insane "transformations" - but the fact that they are so drastic in nature just goes to show the thoughts were there entire time just waiting to be let out, figuratively speaking.
If someone actually undergoes a true fundamental personality change (which I have also seen happen, albeit in male friends), it usually takes years and is a slow endeavor with clearly observable benchmarks. You don't just wake up one day a completely different person.
midnightny 10y ago
why does it matter if a person is a slut or not? i'm confused.
nataliieportman 10y ago
It really doesn't matter. I don't see an issue. If fucking makes a chick happy, keep doing you, girl!
cagethepepper 10y ago
Great for a short term relationship, awful for long term relationship.
midnightny 10y ago
really? i had a few girlfriends over the years who were "sluts" when i met them. it had zero effect on whether they were a good girlfriend or not.
[deleted] 10y ago
[deleted]
midnightny 10y ago
why is marriage necessary? its 2014 not 1965