Howdy folks, so I'm in a kind of shitty situation. I've heard through reliable sources at my university that my ex-fiance is making false rape allegations about me. Now I haven't spoken to her in 6 months, and as I didn't actually rape her of course there is zero evidence. Lack of evidence plus the fact that we haven't spoken in a while should be helpful, right?
One thing I'm wondering about is when/if I will be approached by law enforcement. I've been proactive and have contacted my attorney, who is awesome. I know not to say anything and have her do all the talking, but I'm getting anxious about when such a thing could occur. I enjoy reefer you see, and am not too keen on the cops knocking on my door.
She would have filed a report roughly a week ago. Is there a chance that since this is such a bogus claim with no evidence that law enforcement would just ignore it? I live in a somewhat high crime city in the south, which is actually helpful to me in this case I think.
You know I didn't use to be too keen on mra, but this is certainly red pilling me. That fucking cunt is trying to ruin my life right when things are starting to go really well for me. Any advice or answers to my questions would be awesome, I appreciate you guys.
Edit: the cops threw out the case, it all worked out! Thanks for the support.
OneRedSock 7y ago
First: ditch the reefer until this shit blows over. If you can't, you're addicted.
Second: See if you have old text messages from her that you can save. They may help exonerate claims based on their dates/times.
Not much else at this point, until you can see what the exact claim is and work a defense from there. This is a little taste of the reality of why there's TRP and growing Men's Rights movements. The definition of rape is slowly being changed to include more innocuous interactions, data is constantly being manipulated to create a rape-fearing society (especially on campuses). It's easy enough to google campus sexual assault statistics; you can see a huge variety of information that is very questionable.
Keep your nose clean, head on straight. And consider what kinds of precautions you will take in the future to protect yourself from these types of allegations. I've read on here about men who put cameras in their house or recorded their interactions with women; and it's not crazy to take these steps. Women have this weird way of changing their minds after the fact, depending on how their emotions change and their memory changes as time goes on.
TrueDivision 7y ago
It's not just women, men can do this too. It's called being a cunt
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Dextrorfan 7y ago
I appreciate it, haha I definitely am somewhat addicted to the reefer but I can put on a good appearance at least. I'm not going to smoke in my apt. during the day etc., in case the knock on the door comes. Don't want to give them probable cause to enter and search me.
And yeah, I've been slowly hating feminism more and more, and it's reached a boiling point. You guys are on to something.
Your_Coke_Dealer 7y ago
It's not your appearance, it's that now you're presumably liable to be searched. You may at any time be raided for evidence, so ditch the weed entirely. It's not the weed that might give probable cause, it's the rape charges. I didn't say don't smoke it, but don't possess it. Give it to a friend at his house and smoke with said friend, or otherwise get it off your property. Possession is the illegal part, and unlike under normal circumstances, assume your Fourth Amendment right is compromised by impending investigation.
goldnhorde 7y ago
I hate to tell you this man, but if your girl is out to put charges on you, then at least once when she gives descriptions of the details, she is going to make sure she mentions that you have a weed habit.
I mean if she is really out to get you, she's going to mention it first, last, and a few times in the middle when she gives a statement.
it can't be a "careful thing" until this goes away. it has to be a cold turkey with all weed and weed related items, and I mean even that "legalize it" bob marley shirt, need to hit the bricks. do not be shocked if she even says "he keeps X in this spot". if she does, the cops will do whatever they can to get to the spot.
sounds like you are as good as you can be with the rest. lawyer knows possibilities, gathering what you can from computer and phones for timelines.
but the weed and everything weed related has to go.
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Your_Coke_Dealer 7y ago
Your post reads like a twelve-year-old wrote it, and may have given me cancer
goldnhorde 7y ago
good idea. I think you should go buy a big bag of weed and walk right into the local police station and light it on up, my man.
please film it. I have a feeling that the ending is going to be a surprise for you.
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goldnhorde 7y ago
... I don't see any film of you "manning up" and blowing smoke at that station .....
not that I needed you to fail to know you were full of shit.
derp_derpington 7y ago
This country is so fucking backwards sometimes
I kind of agree but I hate that by not smoking you are letting her impact your life
vengefully_yours 7y ago
The most dangerous thing about weed is getting caught with it. She has the law kissing her ass, so it's easy for her to impact your life. No need to be stupid about it and get caught with shit that will fuck you over well beyond her false accusation.
It's covering your ass. Did someone fail to imbue you kids with common fucking sense?
OneRedSock 7y ago
I think everyone near them has failed to imbue these kids with common fucking sense. I can tell because the one thing he has real control over is his ability to stop smoking weed, which will drastically reduce his chance of jail time, yet he thinks he's above being caught.
I feel no need to detail any further to him why this is stupid if he's not willing to take common sense advice at face value.
It's his life he wants to fuck up, so be it.
Also, the "letting her impact your life" above your post reeks of "strong, independent woman" ego-feeding. Being a man isn't about saying "see, I did it and all on my own"; it's about playing it smart, knowing when you need to retreat, and when to press the advantage. Right now, OP needs to retreat.
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vengefully_yours 7y ago
Where I live we have medical and maybe legalization in a couple years. However the guy Trump put in his cabinet that decides about weed is dead set against it.
You're being a fucking idiot of you think you can do whatever you want when the federal government will fuck your world for it.
fucking typos of this fucking tablet.
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From Miami as well. They'll give you a civil citation. I'm not see if that shows up in your record.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Stop. STFU, and do what your atty tells you, which will be: STFU. Don't say a word. Keep your mouth SHUT, and breathe through your NOSE.
Source: Am an attorney. Decades of experience have shown me that clients fuck themselves up when they (a) try to explain shit to people with badges, (b) don't do what I tell them to do. Side Note: It's usually the "smart" guys who get themselves in to trouble. The "dumb" guys are more likely to do what they're told, and thus have a greater chance of staying out of trouble, or at least minimizing the damage.
Who the fuck answers the door anymore? If you're blowing weed, keep the fuck out of sight and Don't.Answer.The.Door.
Out of curiosity, how did you find out and what is her motivation, 6 months on?
What's the back story to all of this?
mbillion 7y ago
This, stay off the internet and stop talking to an men's advocacy group with bad press.. Love you guys, but cut ties with us too
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mbillion 7y ago
It actually works against the person talking about it. It can be used to show their alterior motive. You being here is a liability in the same respect
max_peenor 7y ago
What part of STFU do you not understand?
If your friends are feeding you information, then they find it suspect too. Just keep your fucking mouth shut. You're graduating soon; your life is going to change after that anyway.
Dextrorfan 7y ago
Sounds about right, thanks.
Sara_Solo 7y ago
Oh good I'm not the only one in the world who feels this way. I grew up with process servers knocking on our door regularly so now I get extremely anxious when someone knocks unexpectedly. Honestly I probably wouldn't even answer for someone in a police uniform unless I saw their car parked in the driveway. There's nothing to gain answering the door for someone you don't know/aren't expecting.
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
Well, I don't have that set of problems but...
^ Pretty much. If I see the FedEx guy in the driveway that's one thing, but otherwise, fuck that. My friends all have my mobile number.
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You wouldn't answer to a friend? Seriously curious since I can be naive at times lol
VasiliyZaitzev 7y ago
I agree you are naive. A friend, yes.
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Had a roommate who is a lawyer, might have to rekindle that friendship soon.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
You still need to be careful.
She is probably all talk.
Yes. The police are looking for a conviction. DO NOT SAY ANYTHING to them. They will never exonerate you for anything you say. But if you say the wrong thing it will be used against you. NEVER APOLOGISE, this is an admission of guilt. Say nothing to the police.
Ditch this. It's sapping your life anyway.
The police are duty bound to investigate this. But not to prosecute. I'd be amazed if they don't talk to you if she files a claim that has any merit at all.
Try to ignore this until it happens. Stuff you can do meanwhile though: collect all information possible on your whereabouts at the times you were with her (receipts, diary entries, phone call history, everything you can think of). Make copies.
One more piece of advice. Women do this as revenge and to exonerate themselves when they get a new boyfriend or because they had a boyfriend at the time. Also due to social pressure from other people. Also due to wanting to prove once and for all they are not sluts. Also for attention.
So basically it's the same as a stalker. And you MUST treat her as a stalker. ZERO CONTACT. Communicate with her UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES. Do not talk to her, do not contact her, do not respond to her, avoid her in person.
The only way stalkers go away is if they get zero attention. This also protects her from setting you up - something women love to do. "First he raped me and now he's following me to a coffee shop" (neglecting to mention the bit where she invited you there to "straighten things out").
Do not fall for a "let's talk about this" or "let's straighten this out" text. That will be a further trap and will not benefit you.
Good luck... do your best to get on with your life meanwhile, don't be held back by this.
Platos_slow_brother 7y ago
The detective may simply opt not to follow up on it, because it is pointless. The prosecutor may tell the detective not to bother, after a consult.
Even if the cop does follow up, and it gets to the next level, the prosecutor may, again, just close the file.
For your part, your only words to any cop who calls is, "My lawyer's number is ___. I have nothing more to say to you about this." /hangup Don't listen to anything they say. Do not respond to a single question they ask. They are not there to help you, they are there to make a felony arrest.
If they are at your door, do NOT open the door to them unless they have a warrant. Make them show you the warrant before you open the door.
If you open it without realizing they are there, do NOT get out of their way when they try to enter your place. (Oh, you didn't know that cops try to walk in as soon as you open the door? Yup. They do. And they say you invited them in. No warrant needed now to enter.) If you start to open it and see them, close the door in their face. Do NOT invite them in. Do NOT meet with them outside your house.
In short, you must immediately and totally shut down all police attempts to interact with you. They are well-trained and experienced in interrogation and confrontation. You don't know shit, and are like a five year old in boxing ring with a contender.
Vkprong 7y ago
Police officers are forbidden by policy from deciding not to report a rape allegation. If an allegation is made, it MUST be followed up on.
As for her being "all talk", the USUAL COURSE of a false rape allegation is that the accuser will not directly report it to the authorities, she will spread the story to friends or family and wait for someone else to report it for her, so rather than being a good sign, her spreading of rumours shows active intent to take things further.
She is just waiting for someone to make the report for her. This trait of false accusers isn't speculation by the way, it has been identified by analysing the traits and behaviour of hundreds of false rape accusers.
Dextrorfan 7y ago
Thanks for the advice, although I'm sort of scared to not open the door to the police. It seems like whenever I try to be at all defensive or acknowledge my rights they just blow right over me, I've only ever dealt with them positively by being extremely polite and pretending to respect them. I certainly won't say a word unless my lawyer tells me to though.
mbillion 7y ago
Shut the fuck up, call your lawyer close the door, warrant, warrant, warrant, warrant
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
You do not have to open the door to the police. They can knock it down if they have a warrant. You didn't hear them knocking because you had headphones on (do not tell them this at the time).
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MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
It's not about excuses, it's about what's legal and what isn't.
Generally under law there are very very few obligations. Most of it is prohibitions. You are probably not obligated to open your door to the police.
Caveat: not a lawyer and countries differ.
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On a side note how did you find a lawyer? What I mean by that question is that it sounds like your lawyer isn't just some random one you googled, it sounds like a close buddy
Dextrorfan 7y ago
Yeah I'm lawyered up with likely the best defense attorney in my area luckily.
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
You did right by playing it smart immediately. Good for you!
There's some great advice in this thread, seriously.
I hope that you can get out of this situation without the stigma of the accusation attached to you, as there's always that long-term damage regardless of innocence as we've seen so many times.
As the saying goes about accusations, "You can't unring a bell" once your reputation has been trashed.
Best of luck to you. This is terrible horseshit.
BetterBadIdeas 7y ago
If she's going to the cops and you are innocent and have a lawyer, you'll be good so long as you listen to your lawyer, do as they say, and completely ditch the green immediately. If she's going to the university, you're potentially in trouble. If you can fast track your graduation in some way, that would be wise.
mbillion 7y ago
Get all your weed out of your house. Stop smoking until it blows over.
Beyond that do as your lawyer tells you.
Save any communication you've had with her, her relatives, her associates, or her friends.
Be proactive, the stormfront is coming, just be ready to present an active defense
abbafishhead 7y ago
Don't talk to the police. Not a single statement, not a single question. Nothing except, "I don't answer questions." Don't answer the door. If they don't have a warrant, they'll eventually leave. If they have a warrant, you're screwed anyway. Don't answer calls. Let them go to voicemail. Ignore the fucking voicemails.
DON'T SAY A GODDAMNED THING TO A COP. NOT TO "EXPLAIN" THINGS, NOT TO "CLEAR THINGS UP," NOT TO "CORRECT MISINFORMATION." SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Nothing you say can ever help the situation. The police don't give a fuck about the truth; they care about their arrest and prosecution numbers and quotas. All they're looking for is to incriminate you, even if you're innocent and they know it. That's their fucking job, and they're fucking scumbags. Save your texts. Don't show or tell them a goddamned thing.
Get your attorney to contact the cop on your behalf, and tell him to only contact you through him. The cops should stop bothering you after that. Ask your attorney to clarify the nature of the complaint: the full details and everything. Still don't talk to the cops, and if your attorney suggests talking to the cop, even in his presence, hire a new attorney. In the same vein, don't talk to your ex.
A few months ago, this fucking feminist 18-year-old UCLA chick (seriously, she went on a whole spiel on how it's degrading that men only see black girls as sexual objects but not marriage material), who gave me loads of ASD/LMR anyway and left shortly after, made a police report against me for sexual assault. We didn't even have sex, and even then that happened. Soon enough, this LAPD detective was calling me and knocking on my door, repeatedly. I ignored everything. Sure enough, he dropped the case. It's been three months now, and I seem to be in the clear.
In the past, I've talked to the cops to clear things up. Guess what? I got fucking prosecuted and went to jail.
Moral of the story? Don't talk to the fucking cops. Period.
Edit: PS Cops are allowed to lie to you by law. Don't ever believe their threats or cajoling, e.g. they'll arrest you if you don't cooperate, or if you cooperate they'll put in a "good word" with the judge. It's all horse shit. Don't fucking talk or even listen to them.
RedPillRobin 7y ago
It's going to come down to how wise the investigator is that takes her report. Hopefully they see through the lies.
Side story I recently went out with a girl who told me she was in therapy her last boyfriend raped her. I started digging in being red pill and all and turns out that she gave it up willingly to this guy but I guess he banged her like a whore and in her mind it was rape and she was doing that same crap telling people it was rape. I nexted her immediately with out ever having sex. Be careful guys
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
Wow, good call on getting out of there.
"Rape" women are crazy bitches - like a powder keg waiting for a spark. Not something to even dare to get close to.
John_McFly 7y ago
Print copies of your phone records immediately, especially if you can print all of your texts and incoming/outgoing calls.
Is your lawyer a criminal lawyer or some other specialty? If not, does his firm practice criminal law and have someone you can consult with? This isn't something for your tax attorney to handle.
As others have said, all the weed and paraphernalia needs to disappear today.
Vkprong 7y ago
In his 1994 study into false rape allegations, Eugene Kanin found that 50% of college campus rape allegations were subsequently discovered to be false on the admission of the accuser, this is higher than the general rate in society, which was measured at 41% at the time. Many police forces put a much higher figure on the actual rate of falsification (it is considered by police to be as high as 100% in certain districts), which is to be expected unless you believe that all false accusers admit their lie.
There are, predictably, several feminist attempts to debunk the study, for example by claiming that the figure is the opinion of male police officers. This is however, another lie, Kanin was rigorous in ensuring that ONLY admitted liars were included in the total.
Kanin 1994 ought to be considered required reading for all men, the reasoning behind the false allegations is chilling, motives included a wish to avoid parental scolding, as a means to explain pregnancy which occurred when husband was away on business, anger at not having been called back after sex and so on.
It is wishful thinking to believe that in light of the VAWA and heavy feminist influence in policy, that police in 2017 will just drop the matter, even if it is patently false. SJW prosecutors are on the hunt for male scalps, lawyer up and say nothing. Your life may still be ruined by this allegation but at least you should avoid prison and the male rape you will suffer by the White Knights of prison, for "hurting a girl."
https://archive.org/details/FalseRapeAllegations
By the way: Black men are vastly more likely to be falsely accused, this may be the reason for seriously elevated rate statistics amongst that demographic.
SouloftheVoid 7y ago
You should read what happened to Mike Cernovich, he tells his story on The Dick Show and it is very relevant to your situation.
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
Mike's still being accused of that shit to this day, unfortunately. Just goes to show you how so many simps will perpetuate a false rape accusation like that.
So many simp beta white knights in our society are like a cancer. If it wasn't for them, it's likely we wouldn't have so many innocent men's lives ruined even after clearing their name legally.
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SouloftheVoid 7y ago
Another thing you might have to worry about is the job lynch mob, which is a bunch of feminazi cunts who will harass you on social media and try to get you fired from your job.
TryDoingSomethingNew 7y ago
Yeah, I would shut down my social media immediately to nip that in the bud.
cant_downvote_truth 7y ago
There's a good chance she's spreading this rumor for two reasons, and not actually going to the police.
1 - she wants attention, validation, sympathy, etc
2 - she wants to elicit a reaction out of you. maybe closure, maybe that new guy dumped her
Don't panic, but seriously quit smoking weed. If you smoke more than once per month you're just a shitty addict. Terrible.
OSaraiva 7y ago
If this is post is true the cunt must do jail time. She must absolutely face heavy punishment for false accusations of this magnitude.
disposable_pants 7y ago
Even if the legal stuff is handled via advice from your attorney and the overall lack of evidence, there's the social aspect to consider. You have to get out in front of this with the people you care about now; her whole plan is to have them hear the accusation first and make a judgement on that alone. I wouldn't put anything in writing, but I'd proactively bring it up to friends you care about losing. Get people on your side now.
rigbed 7y ago
Be prepared to do jail if you can't afford a lawyer. Be prepared to do jail even if you can afford a lawyer. Get text messages but don't delude yourself. False rape accusations are virtually impossible to defend. Courts always side with women. Contemplate suicide.
I just got out of this exact thing. Ended with my mother in jail. No justice. Pm me
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Don't make advice like this. This is a terrible thing to say.
Please do not PM him OP - you deserve better advice than from anyone who says this.
The male suicide rate in our gynocentric world is high enough as it is. Don't make it worse.
rigbed 7y ago
Don't worry we've discussed my morbid sarcasm over pm OP Isn't killing himself
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