So I've been on TRP for a while, and even tried posting some bull shit that I didn't have that much knowledge in before. Well now I'd like to post something I do know. On TRP it's very common advice for guys to saw "lifting like their lives depend on it." I remember once there was a post here about an Alpha who was in MMA, his wife cheated on him, the dude beat the crap outta 3-4 guys, and then divorced the wife. In the notes and comments everybody kept talking about lifting and that it could save your life. What I don't understand is why TRP never mentions anything about training all that muscle that your guys are gaining from the gym. The guy was apparently a prominent jiu jitsu/kickboxer, and the guys he beat up were a bunch of meatheads as far as the story/post would lead you to believe.
Nobody ever talks about getting a discipline or actually learning how to fight. For that matter I've rarely seen any other form of physical training other than lifting. In a fight, strength is important yes, but do you have any idea how fast someone would get gassed if they don't have enough cardio in their life? I've been in boxing for most of my life. And during most of that time, I was a tall lanky toothpick. I didn't start seriously lifting until I was 18. I'm 27 now and barely breaking the 305 bench thresh hold. But because I've been in boxing since I was 8 (admittedly off and on) chances are I could hold my own against someone who is two or three times stronger than me.
Why you should consider taking up a discipline
Yes lifting is important, but you can't just lift weights and think your body is going to be ready for anything. It doesn't matter how strong you are, there are places on your body, that if you're hit, no amount of muscle will be able to protect you. With proper training you could learn not only how to defend yourself, but you will also learn how to better yourself. Proper training will teach you respect, humility (not that common now at days sadly), how to push yourself, and so much more. Let’s not mention what constant training would do to your body aesthetically. A combination of lifting and training in a fighting style will make you look different from all the other guys around you who are just lifting. I realize I might be biased but I'm just wondering why we never talk about this here on TRP.
Beware of the Bull shit facilities
I can't just stand on a soap box and say that all disciplines are created equal. And all places that you can train at are going to yield positive results. Just like anything else in life, you have to find what fighting style fits you. What's even harder than that is finding a place that actually knows what their talking about. Not all trainers are the same, and not every person who can fight, can teach others how to do the same. I've had my fair share of piece of shit trainers who just want to pimp you out to fights so they can get money while you get your ass handed to you. Do research into the different schools around you. See if they've produced MULTIPLE fighters. Most places will get lucky with one or two people who stand out, or might have made a name for themselves, and then they live off that reputation just to get idiots to give them money so they have punching bags for their star athletes.
In conclusion
You can lift to your hearts content. In there will never be a good reason not to lift. Ever. Do it. But don't get the idea that just because you are ripped, you can hand everybody their ass on a silver platter. Strength is not the single determining factor in a fight. If you just want to look good and intimidate most people then ignore this post. You don't need it. But if you are really looking to better yourself as a person, look into picking up a discipline
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AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Then just do which ever is more available to you. You got a gym near by, go do that, just make sure to add cardio which people avoid for some reason.
sd4c 7y ago
Thank you man. No need to gold. Recognition was enough
Huskimbo9 7y ago
I'll gladly take up boxing and get punched in the face.
I agree with op.
What's the point of lifting for muscle if you don't know how to use it for hand to hand combat?
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
It doesn't even have to be boxing. I just used boxing as an example because it's what I do. A fighting discipline in general is what I'm talking about. Find the one that fits you. And make sure it's not just throwing punches and kicks without learning the science behind the attack. That's how you end up with two guys who just try to outlast each other while hoping to land that lucky punch.
DoubleTappp 7y ago
It's not how much you can lift, it's about how much it looks like you can lift.
But, jokes aside, when you are 6 feet 220lbs, no one is looking at swinging any fists your direction anyway.
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Yes, in modern society nobody really "wins" a fight. You'll get charged with assault, overwhelmed by the 6 friends of the guy you just destroyed, or kicked out and banned from an establishment.
It's not a bad thing to be able to truly defend yourself but it's so much better to avoid these situations entirely. No amount of martial arts training is going to protect you from getting shot.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
I'm 6'6" and 205. I look skinny as shit even though my PR as far as bench goes is 295. My major issue with people is that I live in a city where it seems like everybody is trying to prove themselves. They want everybody around them to know they aren't to be fucked with. You know how they do that, go after the biggest guy they can find. That doesn't always mean ripped. If you're just taller then them, that works too. So I just like having usable muscle vs LOOKING like I can lift a whale.
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RPAlternate42 7y ago
I'm 6'1 and 205. Nobody believes me... they they think I'm closer to 185; I'm svelte but dense.
I wouldn't expect many people to swing on me either, but I can't control what other people do, but i can control them if they do... thanks to BJJ.
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Muscle is much more dense than fat. I'm 6' 1", 180lbs, and I still get called skinny, presumably because most men at my height and weight are flabby, and next to a fatty at 220lbs I do look skinny.
RPAlternate42 7y ago
Chances are that you don't eat like shit, don't drink to excess, get plenty of sleep and by extension you probably look younger than your contemporaries too.
AircraftWelder 7y ago
6'1" 208 here. Skinny comments didn't stop until about 190 for me.
virus_ridden 7y ago
Lately I've been having to remind myself of one of Dom Mazetti's quotes, "the day you stepped into the gym is the day you became forever small."
I'm sitting at 230lbs/ 6'5 and the only person I pick fights with is me. Works like a hell of a motivator when you're trying to outlift your scrawny reflection.
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It's amazing how people who don't lift can think you're big, but once you step into a gym you never feel that way. There's always a bigger fish. Maybe not as much in your case at 6'5"/230. I'm only about 5'8"/160, but when I realize Conor McGregor weighs as much or less than me at a given time, then I have no excuses.
virus_ridden 7y ago
Ha yeah, it really is humbling when you see someone 80 lbs lighter and almost a foot shorter than you warming up with your PR.
Galbert123 7y ago
If you weigh 160, conor is likely heavier than you 90% of the time. He might fight at 145, but he isnt walking around at that weight everyday. Hes probably more that 160 on any given day.
Marcus1138 7y ago
I don't know. Here's a pretty good shot of him.
He's muscular, but he's not huge. Even if he's dehydrated here, being fully hydrated won't put on much more mass (and he doesn't look noticeably dehydrated here).
The only way he'd be much above 160 in day to day life would be if he put on 5%+ of bodyfat in between fights and then cut down. Which is possible, but I'm not sure it's likely. More bodyfat turns testosterone into estrogen, and that's not optimal for training.
JawounGeorge 7y ago
I completely agree, learning to properly fight is a great skill to have but a true alpha male avoids physical altercations as much as possible. Only fight if you truly have to but nonetheless learning to fight would come in handy if there ever was a time you needed too.
satanicpriest13 7y ago
Lifting is important and if you want respect, women and looks, you must lift. That being said, always have a combat sport under your belt. When shit hits the fan an the looks an s respect can't help you, let the discipline and skill take over. It's good to have the muscle to intimidate people but back it up with serious fighting skills in case someone tries calling your bluff.
sezamus 7y ago
Fighting is not for everyone (no insult). Sorry to say that, but most of you guys just don't have the proper mindset and movement coordination.
I've been training martial arts (Kung-Fu, BJJ, Sambo) for over a decade. I see all mistakes and bullshit in movies or self-defence instructions. What I was seeing were many guys attending to a training group and leaving in a few days/weeks/months. Why? They had to realize how weak men they are. Sparings destroy your ego - your false image of yourself. You lose and lose and lose and go home having bruises of all colors on your skin. Fighting with some other guy who wants to kick your ass and choke you to protect his own ego is stressful... at the beginning.
The beginning of getting used to a confrontation is the hardest part. After you enter a proper mindset you don't give a shit if you had kicked ass or had got kicked, but it takes perseverance on a very primal level most of you just can't handle.
Most men seek ego boost in a fighting class and what they get is a mental destruction. And let's be honest, most of you just don't have that spark to be a fighter. You can be a smart man, a great entrepreneur, a fantastic PUA, a guy I can admire in many ways, but fighting is a whole different world.
It's like with dancing - you either feel it or don't. Just because you were not born a fighter it doesn't mean you are less of a man. I just can't imagine a world where all guys have a mindset of a fighter or a soldier. Who would be sensitive musician or painter? Who would be a computer genius? Funny thing - these are the guys I admire. They can do stuff I brutally fail at.
I do have that kind of mindset, I'd say I was born into it and I have to say that you don't want to be like me. I am a soldier, a cannon fodder, a simple man - I am expendable. Nature gave me such talents to protect your sorry butts or to fight in your interests... to be a society's tool. It is how it is.
Whatever your talents are - MASTER IT! That's what being a man means.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
This does a far better job of explaining one of the key benefits I wanted to highlight. Fighting teaches you humility. There's no two ways around it. The guys that get cocky and start thinking they're the best, do so because they are lead to believe that, or because if they can get everybody else to believe it, they will believe it to. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy.
But yeah, not everyone can fight. And people go out of their way to justify why they don't fight. It takes a lot of heart. If you can't lift a weight, you keep lifting weights until you get strong enough to do it. If you can't beat an opponent, you might have to start all the way back from the basics, relearn your craft, or a new way of fighting JUST so you can have an advantage over the next guy.
To many people walk into the room and expect to be beat. They don't understand that fighting is a lot more then just throwing punches, knees, and elbows. They think that they can just out muscle, or outlast the guy. Or they just think they are God's gift to the ring/octagon, and will be untouchable. I sure as hell did. Until I got my ass handed to me. Fighting makes you learn what your limits are, and how to push passed them. There is so much you can use it for in the real world other than just self defense.
p00nbrigade 7y ago
So I'm just going to chime in and say that if any stranger tries to get into a fight with you just run. Run the fuck away. Its in no way shape or form worth the legal or physical repercussion. All it takes is someone to stick their finger in your eye and your fucked. Real life isn't like the movies either. Someone could beat your fucking ass within an inch of your life and run the fuck away and the police will NEVER catch them. Especially if its some bar related altercations and the attacker is just some regular Joe with no priors.
Even if the attacker would to be apprehended its not worth loosing an eye or live your life like my buddy with a huge scar on his head his head from having a bottle smashed on his head.
If you want to learn to defend yourself then learn close quarters handgun marksmanship.
TLDR: Fighting sports are great for developing discipline, mental toughness and physical prowness. If some nutjob tries to fight you run.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
This is actually exactly the next thing I want to learn.
p00nbrigade 7y ago
It's expensive to learn but is very fun to do especially with friends or a date. Its really easy to get some quality instruction too. Many coaches are former military and police who have had a lot of experience. YouTube is also a very active resource for this activity. Check out a dude named Travis Haley, he puts out some awesome instructional videos.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
A date? I'd have to think highly of the girl to take her to something like that. But still, I need to find a place that teaches this. I only know places that teach concealed carry, but I think they should be able to at least point me in the right direction.
ManowaR1488 7y ago
In a lot of these lifting posts I like to casually inject a "Or do a combat sport" comment because I agree 100%. Thanks for this post
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
I have no idea why I've never seen any of your comments. I applaud you sir.
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Newreddawn 7y ago
As it should be. Don't get me wrong, I have almost ten years of training in kung fu and sambo, but fighting other men in a street fight is something that socially intelligent men very rarely succumb to. Even if you win, you still lower yourself to acting like an animal.
The real benefits of knowing how to fight are the ways you carry yourself with more confidence. You know that if shit goes down, you can handle yourself. I've had men and women tell me that they wouldn't want to mess with me, and I'm only 5' 8" and 200lb. People can and do pick up on the visual cues that you are communicating.. "I'm cool. We're cool. Let's have fun. But never, ever fuck with me"
StinkyDogFarts 7y ago
Yeah, don't be the guy everybody hates. You can be assertive yet likeable, not a pushover but not an abrasive dick.
ValorForFreedom 7y ago
Glad it has shifted away from that.
Marcus1138 7y ago
It hasn't really. And largely, it doesn't need to. For 95% of people, a fight will never happen. In the majority of cases you can diffuse, avoid, or run from a potential fight. (Even if you're a pro fighter you should do this, risking your health and risking jail just to be manly is never worth it.)
On the other hand, almost everyone wants to get girls and have an impressive presence. That results in certain tangible benefits - better odds of having sex and more respect from people. That's important for anyone.
So while knowing how to handle yourself in a fight certainly isn't useless, it's no surprise that it's less of a priority.
biffro 7y ago
Pussy is not the ultimate goal. Getting better skills from being redpilled is an extra bonus
Bucanan 7y ago
Even if it does, one should always walk away from a fight. The easiest way to win a fight is to just not fight, to walk away.
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Dis_mah_mobile_one 7y ago
He also once broke two guys arms who tried to mug him, so
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blartoper 7y ago
Im just wondering, what kind of insecurities does one carry, to actually feel like you need to be able to dominate people physicly to gain self-worth?
Marcus1138 7y ago
Very true. With that said, most big guys in the gym believe the same even if it's not true. (Though realistically, it is true since most guys neither take martial arts training nor work out much.)
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slay_it_forward 7y ago
Why? It's still valid. Mystery's "wear one interesting thing when you go out" advice is solid. It can get you noticed instead of blending in with the crowd like a chamelion.
And save the shit about routines. Nobody does that.
ValorForFreedom 7y ago
What I actually meant is that doing everything to get women while pretending you don't care about them is in it's essence putting them on the holy pedestal to fill your lack of self-worth/lack of mission and that the RedPill nowadays means to understand the "matrix". Ask people about the redpill and they won't tell you anything about seducing women (outside of this sub).
I agree with what you say.
slay_it_forward 7y ago
Neil Strauss was a writer for Rolling Stone for fucks sake. Pretty sure he was on his mission. But he couldn't get laid. Along comes Mystery to teach him game (behavior optimization) and next thing you know Courtney Love is in his bed.
PUA was about understanding what women really respond to (alpha behavior) instead of what the masses taught you growing up (beta behavior). This remains true today.
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Wouldn't want Courtney love near my bed
SigmundRoidd 7y ago
It's the same "do this because of women" bullshit this sub prescribes to. DO what you fucking like. If you're passionate about skiing, be the best goddamn skier you can be. Don't focus your efforts on endeavors because of women. Focus on them because of your passion.
There is too much toxic "be a 250 lbs bodybuilder" or "too much muscle is for pussies, do martial arts", both sides are focusing on what would be suitable for "women". Trust me, you will never get good at anything unless you're passionate about it. I'm friends with both pro bodybuilders and quite a few MMA fighters, these guys live and breathe their craft. All the pussies and the posers disappear once the hard work begins. This applies to both going from a 225 lb squat for reps to 500 lbs, and rolling with white belts vs skilled brown belts.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
First off, I do have to admit to being one of those people who talk shit on body builders. Mainly because my cousin is a body builder competing on the national level and I love to give him shit. But yeah, you're right. That's something I left out.
Do it for the right reason. To many guys walk into the gym (both fighting and lifting) and get swollen heads when they get reactions from girls. Then the spar with the wrong person, or they fuck themselves up somehow when they're trying to show off for some girls.
Returnofthemack3 7y ago
I honestly don't give a fuck about being a genuinely good fighter. Fights just lead to jail time. As long as I can defend myself on a basic level, i'm good. Lifting might not make it so you can beat up MMA fighters, but it still makes you a more formidable force than the majority of people out there, which is enough for most folks.
Anyhow, the only times ive gotten truly owned were at gunpoint, so no MMA bullshit is gonna help me there
RICCIedm 7y ago
What are the chances of getting in a fistfight once, in a whole year? Chances are slim, specially if you don't get drunk every weekend at parties.
Training martial arts for "self defense" is a huge waste of time.
If you want to have a cool hobby that gives you confidence, stamina, helps socializing and makes you look badass 2 times per decade, cool, go do Martial Arts. But your reasoning is stupid.
source : I am a BJJ Purple Belt under Roberto Abreu, with 5+ years of wrestling, muay thai, boxing and karate training. I have competed more than 30 times both here in Brazil and in the US. I have been in fistfights.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Self defense isn't the only reason why I'm saying training under a discipline is a good idea. But I don't know if you'd get what I'm talking about since you've been training for so long. The purpose of picking up a discipline is what you will learn besides the self defense aspect. Guys like you who have been fighting for so many years kind of go Numb to it because they're all things that you just come to expect. But fighting can teach someone how to push themselves further than just lifting weights, it can teach humility, respect, and give you a better sense of yourself because you have to learn how to control different aspects of your body.
Props to you though. Holy fuck.
RICCIedm 7y ago
I agree that it does teach you how to push further.
Thanks for the compliment
And good luck in your boxing training :)
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Thank you sir. Been going damn good so far. And you do still have valid points. I just wanted to clarify.
StuttBuffer 7y ago
I recently took up boxing after just lifting and running for years. I wish I started a lot sooner.
refusewool 7y ago
What exactly do you like about boxing? I plan to do it too after my exams. Just curious about other new starters' experiences.
StuttBuffer 7y ago
I've been getting cut up, meeting new people, facing my fear of being punched. All round positive experience.
DeLeon06 7y ago
Preeeach!!
And if you need any type of proof of how easily you can get your ass handed to you,walk into a Boxing,Muay Thai or Jiu Jitsu gym and spar with 2 or 3 guys. I guarantee your world will be flipped upside down.
Boovs4life 7y ago
Really wish i could join MMA but it's like $200 a month and I'm a broke college student so there's no way i could afford this. Definitely my priority when i make me money tho
DeLeon06 7y ago
Definitely do it brother,complete life changer. Only regret I have is not starting earlier. Good luck!
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
LOL 2 or three guys? Go up against one guy for three rounds. Not even that, go up against a heavy bag. People really don't understand how much work fighting is. Worse, people look down on or overlook cardio. It's always fun watching someone who thinks they can fight realize just how fucked they are. You can almost always see the exact moment they realize something is very wrong.
Vicycle 7y ago
Back in high school when I transitioned from football to wrestling I laughed at the three 2 minute rounds. I was not laughing after those first 2 minutes. You need serious cardio to last. It's hard to imagine the MMA title fights that go the full five 5 minute rounds.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Yep, and you can ALWAYS see the exact moment the fighters both get to their breaking points. I wonder how the conversation went when they decided they wanted to make the rounds 5 minutes. 2 for wrestling, 3 for boxing, 4 is for pussies, so lets go with 5.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Three 2 minute periods of high school level wrestling wipes you out no matter who you are. Cardio is what weeks wrestling matches, speed and strength both depend on how long you can keep it up. Want to get embarrassed? Go a while vs a Nebraska or Iowa high school state wrestling qualifer from 145lbs to 185lbs. Farm kids got nothing better to do in winter, and lift heavy shit all summer. They live a tough life and you can see it in a match. The tough part is you need to stay 8' away from them, or they'll take your ankles from under you and beat your ass on the ground. Get in close you'll get flying lessons. Really if you think you're badass, find one of those guys and have a friendly competition without rules.
Drogba007 7y ago
Loved wrestling. Challenging sport, makes you tough and able to brush things off. As far as sports, its kind of the ultimate competition in my mind
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Case in point: Rulon Gardner.
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My dad was a state finalist for wrestling in the state of Iowa, and then joined the army right after - thirty years later and he can still kick my ass no problem
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Wrestling is a great sport to do. It doesnt have violent trauma to the head like MMA etc and is a great physical education. Wrestlers have an insane economy of movement, there really is no downside to it unless you dont look good in a singlet.
worktillyouburk 7y ago
ya like improper fist, can break your hand when punching also puching someone in the face can break your hand
Rommel0502 7y ago
Any boxer will tell you never hit someone in the face in a street fight with anything other than a jab. What's harder - his forehead or your hand?
Fortunately, if you box, most fights will be over with a single jab ...
slay_it_forward 7y ago
Why would a boxer punch someone in the forehead? Left hook to the jaw and it's lights out with minimal damage to your hand.
That said palm strikes are effective too.
Battle-Scars 7y ago
A proper left hook is a devastating punch and my personal favorite. Jab, cross, Dempsey roll to set up the left hook.
OracleofFl 7y ago
Just to add something as a guy doing Karate for about a year and a half, there is a lot to learn about footwork and how to use your whole body when you punch or kick. If your feet and hips aren't set right, a punch is like swinging a pillow.
The other point about Cardio is dead on. The first time you go three rounds you want to die it is so exhausting!
Two other points are about learning to take and block a punch (or kick) and how to counter strike and use combinations. When you start out and are inexperienced, people tend to overreact to an "incoming". Learning to apply the right amount of effort in blocking is key or novices use both hands to block a single punch leaving them open to a followup punch. Any opponent can block a single punch or kick, it is the combinations and counter strikes that make it interesting.
theONE843663 7y ago
Hah and People look at me strange when I say squatting makes your punch stronger. Dat hip drive momentum can one hit kill someone.
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theONE843663 7y ago
Oh Yeh lifting can cause tightness if you do not supplement with daily yoga. Well physics dictates that force is mass x velocity. This is why they have weight classes in boxing as it directly correlates to hitting force.
As for squats... If you don't do them, you do not lift. Tree trunk legs won't mess up your footwork if you have proper mobility... What it also does is directly improve your kicking power. ESP if you do speed work with bands. In regular fights, a powerful fast str8 kick is a devastating blow delivered to the shin/knee or even centre mass.
If you do not take steroids, then you won't really get big enough legs to impact your punching force... Even if it does, it's not a huge difference and the increase in kicking force and wider center of gravity is more than worth it. Your leg chokes will kill faster. Your arm bars will be absolutely devastating.
If you can speed squat 315 for reps with bands, then you can imagine what kind of kicking force you'd kick with against a human target. Enough to send a 175lb guy flying (even tho his body absorbs some of the impact).
The key is sports specific training. Fighting benefits a lot from speed work. A person benching 225 in less than quarter second has a stronger punch than a person that takes 3 seconds to bench that. Bench press speed is directly proportional with punching force.
Ultimately, we're in the red pill game for aesthetics... So a lifter that fights is preferred to a fighter that lifts. Two completely different beings.
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theONE843663 7y ago
Wtf? What kind of broscience is that? Try again bro the triceps, chest, and lats contract during a punch. The scapula undergoes anterior rotation. If you kept your bag training the same and increased your speed bench numbers, you'd guaranteed see increases in punching strength. You can try it for yourself.
You yourself say strong abs and hips will do more for kicking power (which is 100% true)... Wtf do you think low bar squats don't work abs and hip flexors? Or even high bar for that matter? Listen bro... Any excercise with hip hinge, and stabilization combined together is putting intense stress on abs and hip flexors. You cannot squat 315 with bands for 10 speed reps with proper form... Beltless... Without strong abs and hip flexors. Period!
This leads to my original comment: Squats increase your punching force!
Assuming fighting technique level and practice doesn't deteriorate with the addition of lifting, a fighter will see direct benefits from speed work and increasing strength. Plz look into sports specific training cuz MMA fighters do lift and they're often times doing speed work.
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theONE843663 7y ago
Dude... You're still not getting the point. Read again. I said: "Assuming that your technique and practice level is same!" The NFL combine record is 49 reps with 225. There's a reason why speed bench is a football staple ESP the 225 test. Are you that retarded? You don't just throw footballs in football you throw other men around. How far you can throw a football is dependent on technique and strength... If technique is not a determinant (as in you already have good technique), then getting stronger will make you throw the football faster.
No shit Sherlock you'd suck at fighting without training for Jack shit! But if you've been lifting for a while, you'll sure as shit be better than someone who hasn't trained for Jack shit and hasn't lifted for Jack shit.
You know what argument you made? This: "I did pull ups and push-ups for 2 years straight but when I went to the gym, I was shaky as hell under the bench press and couldn't even bench 135 for 10 reps even tho I can do 100 push-ups easy."
It's a different motor pattern, different neurological adaptations are required... But the guy who did pushups would be better off than the guy who was a couch potato as the couch potato would be struggling to bench fucking 95.
But guess what? The gym bro benching 185 and is the same weight as the 100 push-ups guy might not be able to do 100 push ups now ... but he'll get to doing 100 push-ups lot faster than what the non lifter took to get there. There's such a thing called transferable skills and motor movement similarities. Training and practice is the limiting variable for any new activity... But is easier to learn activities that are similar to what you do.
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On my second week of boxing training. Can confirm that even after working out for a few years, you can still get you face punched in.
worktillyouburk 7y ago
honestly, I've thought of getting back into martial arts, for this reason, I miss fighting, that superiority when you win, the rush the team cheering you on as you go for the knockout...
man, I got my 2nd dan, started seeing this girl, more time with her less training moved to her area stopped going to the dojo completely.
now I just lift. ya, i can bench 240 just I don't have my speed and reflexes I used to. I miss that satisfaction of beating an opponent.
near by they only offer karate (been there done that kata's are boring), and ninjitsu (seriously?), Brazilian jujitsu seems worth a try?
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
I've heard good things about it. It's grappling and throws if i'm not mistaken. I was just lifting for the last year or so and would go boxing once or twice a week. I'm boxing 5 times a week and lifting 3. It feels like shit some days, but man I feel great.
_TheEndGame 7y ago
Fuck yes. Fight training is a very enjoyable form of cardio. It doesn't matter if you won't use it in actual dangerous situations.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Hell it's way better then just running on a treadmill or around town.
SheepDogM24 7y ago
I've been training Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu for years now. If anything it has taken me away from the gym because I realize how little muscle mass helps you in a fight. If anything it will cause you to be slower, less explosive, and less flexible. I'm 6'4" 220lbs and in pretty decent shape and I know I could destroy most people. If I were to start putting on a lot of muscle mass it would really change my ground game and not necessarily for the better.
brgrss 7y ago
Yeah that's why fighters don't have weight classes. Muscle actually makes you much worse.
dudeguymanthesecond 7y ago
If muscle is making you slower or less flexible you're doing it wrong.
SheepDogM24 7y ago
I was talking about "muscle mass." When you start putting on large amounts of muscle in a short period of time, you WILL sacrifice flexibility.
dudeguymanthesecond 7y ago
You'll lose any ROM you don't actively work in major movements. If you're not stretching to maintain ROM above and beyond what is used specifically in the weight room, you're doing it wrong. In any case that isn't specifically due to putting on muscle mass. Just look at professional athletes: big, strong, and flexible.
baubaumorgen 7y ago
tell that to Jocko Willink
worktillyouburk 7y ago
is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, applicable in a real fight?
i did taekwando for many years, and cardio wise it was great also competions were fun. only issue is unless you are wearing flexible pants as well as already stretched good luck kicking a guy in the face in a street fight.
i feel like atight place like an aley way i would be pretty fucked.
SheepDogM24 7y ago
I'm not saying that in a street fight I'm going to be throwing triangles from my back. I'm going to take the person down stay on top or sweep to get on top, pass to mount. Then it doesn't take a golden gloves boxer to smash someone's face in when you have them mounted. Too easy
2comment 7y ago
One on one with no weapons? Yes.
Outnumbered or in hostile territory? No, you don't wanna get onto the ground so his friends can headstomp you.
Weapons involved? Pick up your own improvised weapon and make sure you can sprint fast. Parkour might be just as useful as any martial art in this case. You might be 99% perfect but that 1% slip up can put you in a world of pain or disable you for life. There's no Bruce Lees irl.
BJJ is not for fast disablement. Some martial arts are, but I wouldn't bet on any of them against a baseball bat or gun. Ultimately all martial arts have premises like fairness, matches, rules, etc some will translate well into a real situation some won't.
I don't wanna rag on BJJ, it's a great sport, but I would use it to lightly whomp on my brother or friends, someone who I know isn't gonna randomly grab a 2x4 and bash my head in, not some stranger in an alleyway. That goes for most martial arts.
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BJJ is great but so boring....definitely not for fast disablement.
ihtel 7y ago
Is more applicable than boxing. Since on the streets, what does a boxer do in glinch? Also, why bother with playing for a lucky knockout blow, if you could put the opponent to sleep via strangulation without luck factor.
spinalmemes 7y ago
I would say its one of the most applicable disciplines in a real world fight. If you know what youre doing size wont matter for the most part.
pointehead 7y ago
Absolutely. I would say that paired with Muay Thai, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is the most legitimate martial art for self defense/street application. Just go on Youtube and search "BJJ in a street fight" and you will find thousands of examples.
[Here] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeNFcZE9s4) is a famous example (although not a street fight) demonstrating how BJJ can be used against a much larger, stronger opponent.
TMarizzle 7y ago
Agreed. Pretty much any MMA fighter worth his salt has a BJJ or at least a wrestling background nowadays. I hated practicing BJJ, but that's just me. I prefer muay thai. That being said, I know pretty much any of the guys that practice it in our gym could take me down no problem. Most guys probably wouldn't expect someone to shoot for their legs and get dumped during a street fight.
worktillyouburk 7y ago
what if i am the larger opponent, im like 240 6'1 with horse legs. can you learn this sport and not end up grappling on the ground?
pointehead 7y ago
Absolutely. Any good BJJ school will tell you to avoid the ground like the plague (especially if you don't know if your opponent has friends, etc). However, after a while of training, you will feel incredibly comfortable if the situation does go to the ground, and you will be able to control whether or not it does. BJJ gives you the option to take the fight to the ground and end it there, or avoid the fight going to the ground all together (take down defense, throws, etc).
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Our society has nothing but contempt for physical violence. Being good at fighting has it's advantages, but if that's your confidence card, you're gonna end up one of the many alphas in prison.
practicepricipleprep 7y ago
PRAY. LIFT. EAT. READ. WORK. MEDITATE. SLEEP. REPEAT.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
The pray part gets me. I haven't got far enough into TRP to see how it interacts with religion.
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First and foremost, why would you even fight? What's the upside really? Sooner or later, you'll run into some psychopath who will fucking stab you. For what? That "fighting confidence" is just playing with fire. It's like a fast sports car, you're faster from point A to point B, but the risk to crash and kill yourself is also much higher and you forget about it until it happens.
And of course, learning to fight is great (as your personal preference), but don't be stupid about it.
techgod9 7y ago
Even better idea, work on something useful in the modern world like your brain. Genius right?
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Fighting actually makes you utilize your brain. I can't speak for other fighting styles, but I can tell you right now, to actually be good at boxing you have to learn the human body. Pretty sure that's at least a little useful in the real world. An there really isn't any reason why you can't do both. I'm in college while training. I just have an advantage over someone else, even if I never have to use it.
konfettiboy 7y ago
Even if you never get into a fight, being in hundreds of simulated fight taught me to keep my cool in every situation. After you learn to stay calm while a 220pound dude is trying to choke you out there is not much that you can´t handle. Except talking to hot girls of course.
In my case it´s Bjj but friends that do other martial arts had the same experience. Lifting (which I did a lot) is really easy compared to any martial art so if you want to challenge yourself not just physically find a good school and go train.
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omega_fat 7y ago
Are you Neo and can dodge a shot to your head? If not, fighting is useless in real world. In real world practice not getting into shitty situations like moving to peaceful neighbourhood and deescalating, even running away like a bitch. Being a dead rotting corpse is not very alpha, bro.
yallapapi 7y ago
Seriously though how often do people actually get in fights these days? I would say the benefits to learning how to fight are more about all around confidence building than actually having to fight another human being
Herdsengineers 7y ago
I personally like Aikido and have years of training in it. The Sensei also threw in a bunch of Judo, Jui Jutsu, other things that were really out of copos and military defensive tactics and training, etc. The Sensei actually trained SEALS in hand to hand, and those guys would come train with us sometimes too. It was great stuff.
I saw an FBI stat one time that said 90% of all street fights end up on the ground. You don't need to be one of the Gracie brothers, but against 99% of the guys you might actually get in a fight with, some level of ground fighting training will put you light years ahead of them if you end up grappling because they won't have had hardly any training and you will. The guys that have had training - you won't get in a fight with them to start with - formal training tends to teach you how to de-escalate as well.
That said, if a martial art isn't your thing, then yoga/pilates, or tennis, or something.
Rommel0502 7y ago
Best thing I ever did for my confidence was take up boxing.
Do it, you wont regret it. And no, boxercise is not boxing ...
dudet23 7y ago
The problem I see is unathletic men getting into "lifting" but ignoring the POINT of having muscles, which is to use them. Yes you can bulge your muscles, but you will look ridiculous because you don't know how to move your body, you don't know how to be athletic and although this is a separate topic, yes its true that you also don't know how to fight.
But really I see athleticism as the big problem. I work out so I can feel athletic and feel I can move fast and move hard. If you just work out without training your speed and agility SOMEHOW (playing sports, doing sprints, track, going for runs, crossfit, ect) then you just look like this lumbering ox of a human without any dynamicism.
Also I think athletic bodies look different that simple muscular bodies. I really believe that when you actually work out to train that you end up with a more balanced and visually pleasing body than if you just do squats and bench all day and have bulging muscles. Not to mention it REALLY helps with lowering your body fat percentage and really highlighting your structural aesthetics.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
I'll agree with that. When you just lift, yes you get big muscles because you can target specific muscle groups, but that's how you got those guys who are huge on top with toothpicks for legs. When training in an activity, the parts of your body that are being utilized will grow, and that's more than just a couple of muscle groups.
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worktillyouburk 7y ago
im in this situation too, honestly most people i meet dailey would be too pussy to actually fight, last time i actually had to fight in a non sparring sistuation is like middle school.
in fight club when they purposfully try to get random people to fight them is how i see most random strangers reacting.
virus_ridden 7y ago
I think OP was leaning towards disciplines as being beneficial overall, with the added bonus that you could fight if the need ever arose.
MuscleMaturity 7y ago
My thoughts exactly. Never felt the need to fight
Buchloe 7y ago
I see posts recommending martial arts all the time
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
I have never seen them. I just see guys talking about lifting all the time. Glad my train of thought isn't alone.
Buchloe 7y ago
Not as frequent as lifting advice, but there's several threads on what's the best martial art, the benefits of being able to hold your own in a fight, the confidence you get, etc . I've been really interested in learning systema, actually.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
See, now I'm going to have to look into Systema. I've been thinking about finding another fighting style to learn once I get more adept with boxing. I was going to go with something grapple related since EVERYBODY wants to grapple now.
Buchloe 7y ago
Yeah, watch some videos on it. Pretty unique system. I think it's the official fight training for the Russian spetsnaz
JoRocKStaR 7y ago
How bout lift and meditate so you can look intimidating & could actually control yourself in tense moments.
sd4c 7y ago
Train the skilled activity first- get good at the jiujitsu, or boxing, judo, wrestling etc.
Once you can handle yourself (after about a year), THEN add or focus on weight training.
This way you know your skills are based on practice, and you're not winning based on size/strength. Being too big when you train jiujitsu will seem easier at first, but actually hinder your learning in the long-run
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Best advice. You deserve gold sir. I'm sorry I'm broke.
vengefully_yours 7y ago
Some of us do tell you to get into some kind of ma. Mine was wrestling, I became quite good at it and learned to use it effectively against people who started shit with me off the mat. Used to get beaten almost daily at home, and weekly at school, so I learned to adapt to defend myself the hard way. At 16 I was 170lbs benching 265 and able to stop the bullshit from my brother and dad that had gone on for most of my life. Nobody expects what I do, or how ultra violent I get, so I haven't lost a fight since 16. Nearing 50 I can still do most of it effectively, but tend to avoid places where drunk college kids get cocky. Don't have the stamina anymore thanks to chemicals from the first gulf war, second hand smoke, and automotive paint fumes fucking up my lungs.
Learn it young and it benefits you the rest of your life. Pick one and get proficient, then learn another, no need to be a master at one, proficient in a few is enough.
TimmyTurnersNuts 7y ago
I'm starting back boxing after a hiatus. Kept in good shape and now getting back in boxing shape. Its vital that you learn how to defend yourself and fight. Period. BUT looks do play a factor. I'm only about 5" 10, but I have wide shoulders and I'm pretty muscular. Broke up a couple of fights on Bourbon this past weekend, and you'd be amazed how fake tough guys quickly change when taking one look at you. Didn't even have to swing or get angry.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
Agreed. Going to the gym is a solitary endeavor. It's a great foundation for other fitness activities, but is not, on its own, a full source of physical development.
If you don't do a martial art, you should be doing something besides just moving weights at the gym. Get into a sport. Train for races and join a running group. Or cycling group. Or go out for those crazy-ass fitness games competitions. Or learn rock climbing or get into hiking or mountains or spelunking or something, anything, besides only lifting.
First off, if you're training for something to get better at something, then you're at the gym with a goal and a focus. Something besides "lift more than last time". If you don't have any goal besides moving weight, then you're mostly spinning your wheels at the gym.
Second, this shit rounds you. It's really strange to be very, very physically fit, but not actually good at anything physical. Like, if you're built like an athlete but can't throw or catch or kick balls worth a damn, your mile time is over 8 minutes and you'll pass out if you try to run 5 of them, and you can't fight or defend yourself, it's just bizarre. You're narcissistically moving heavy things to look good in a mirror but actually suck at physical stuff.
Third, since going to the gym is solitary, for the most part, you're not part of a group or a team. You don't develop social connections, meet bros, push others hard, get pushed by others hard, and drive each other farther. You will develop tons more discipline and improve twice as quickly if you're actually accountable to other people.
DannyDemotta 7y ago
If you're actually good at lifting weights, not some fat wannabe with wrist wraps and a stupid bandana and leggings, half-squatting your bodyweight and barely benching 245, you'll make plenty of friends at the gym. Real recognize real, and people want to be friends with the biggest, baddest, regular lifters in the gym.
Not to mention the women are much higher quality than bars/clubs, if you can get them to talk to you. Being built, lifting heavy and having a nice smile helps.
Drogba007 7y ago
If youre muscle bound and all your calluses are on your palms, then youre gonna die
Sir_Distic 7y ago
While I certainly agree that every one of us should learn a discipline, it has been stated MANY times that taking a Martial Art or boxing or MMA etc is of tremendous benefit to a man.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
With a discipline, you can discover more limits that lifting isn't able to show you. That's the way I look at it.
TMarizzle 7y ago
I think most everyone here that suggests "lift heavy shit and put it back down" are more for the aesthetic purposes of looking good and being in better shape than what you were. Nothing wrong with that. I think self defense/martial arts is a separate issue, but I agree that it is something everyone should practice. However, if you get into kickboxing/muay thai or jiu jitsu hardcore and want to fight or compete, you will have to dial back on the weight lifting.
psychyness 7y ago
Hey OP or anyone who does any sort of this stuff, serious question.
I've always been interested in things like Boxing, but one of the biggest deterring factors to me is the damage it causes peoples faces/ears in terms of scarring.
Call me a giant pussy, but I have a pretty good looking face and I'd like to keep it that way. What types of programs can I join which will keep my face the way it is?
sezamus 7y ago
Amatuer boxing is trained in boxing helmets so your ears and most of the face is protected. It's rather unlikely to have your nose broken.
In BJJ/MMA class you can always wear an ear-protector like highschool wrestlers do.
Questionnaire7 7y ago
Suprised this is the first post ive seen like this. Ive been taking Krav Maga lessons for a year now, discovered rp only 4 months ago.
MasterHaircuttt 7y ago
It's definitely an idea that's been around.
[deleted] 7y ago
I'm interested in Krav Maga, what are your thoughts about it?
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If you're looking for something competitive where you can contrast your style with your opponent's to look for a competitive edge and beat them, then Krav is not for you. If you'd like to be confident fighting your way out of a full blown riot, go with Krav. I train both Krav and Muay Thai because I enjoy both.
Questionnaire7 7y ago
Rocks but the moves they teach fuck people up on a level so intense you cannot spar with it, which I feel like limits its practical application until you actually fight with it. Im swapping to muy tai when my membership expires
Hviterev 7y ago
Anyone who tells you you can't spar because of danger levels probably bullshit you on some level.
Questionnaire7 7y ago
Ok. Find a krav studio part of the international organizing body that does sparring and report back. As someone mentioned ball kicking eye gouging and elbows to the face are its bread and butter.
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Hviterev 7y ago
Alright! Few things.
Why do you treat Krav Maga as a whole? You shouldn't equate the best potential of a martial art to the quality of every single training gym/dojo/military instructors.
It is not because it is used by professionals that every place teaching Krav Maga will make you some kind of killer. Plenty of bullshit dojos in every martial arts.
I've been at Krav places that will have some kind of water down sparring that stop the fights when they do a little weak shin kick and count it as a score. Train real or get killed in a real fight. Even more for the military and the police.
I'm sure anyone who trains for real life and puts his life on his training goes through sparing and training against unwilling ukes.
dongpal 7y ago
it's somewhat true regarding krav maga since poking eyes and kicking in the balls is allowed..
Hviterev 7y ago
I'm well aware. Here's the issue. Sparring helps training some aspects of fighting you don't get to test in any other way, and as said by /u/Questionnaire7, the practicality of it is limited if you don't train it.
What's to prevent an efficient boxer who spars and fight more often than you from doing the same jab he's been doing in sparing for years and years, but to move it a few inches higher and use a finger jab in your eyes instead? Nothing. Except he'll be used to fighting against someone who's reactive and unwilling.
You should spar. No matter your martial art. Use glasses for eye pokes, use genital protections or toughen up for kicking in the balls. Training isn't made to be easy, and even "dangerous" techniques can be used in sparing if you do the extra effort to make it safe and to test yourself.
Questionnaire7 7y ago
This is why Im moving to Muy Tai when I hit level 3 in Krav. Then Ill do jiu jitsu
Hviterev 7y ago
And it's smart! So you have a good grasp of self defense concepts, striking under stress conditions, and grappling.
Have a good training mate!
bigcitytruth 7y ago
Has anyone actually been in a real street fight on here? In real life, people fight dirty, in a scenario that is far from ideal.
Likely, it will be at a bar. Your reaction time will be stunted because you had a drink, right? Also, 9 times out of 10 the asshole dude will have at least ONE buddy outside of your peripheral view (who goes out alone?) Throw in a crowd, dark lighting, slippery floors and bar stools, and you've got yourself a minefield of things that could go wrong.
You could be the best MMA guru, but that won't save you from being shoved by an amateur over a bar stool into his buddy who has a half-broken bottle of Heineken ready to shove up your nose. And if you DO manage to beat everyone to a pulp, you'd better watch your back 30 minutes later, as asshole's buddies will either jump your drunk ass, or spray you and a couple innocent bystanders with bullets.
p00nbrigade 7y ago
Exactly. Fuck fighting in public. Some people are scumbags and have nothing to loose by beating the living shit out of you.
SirAttackHelicopter 7y ago
Ya. Don't be like THIS GUY. Even though he is bulked up, he is so far out of touch of knowing his own body that it is very cringy.
GC0W30 7y ago
Do I worry about the micro-concussion thing with boxing vs MMA?
I need my memory, judgement and instincts for my job.
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
You're more likely to get a Micro-concussion in boxing. Most trainers now at days don't really teach you anything about defense other than put your hands up, and keep your head moving. That's the same advice I'd give to a chick sucking me off. You have to really know what you're doing because your opponent is trying to knock you out. VS in MMA, there isn't ONLY one way to win.
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Hell yes. I'm a poorly rounded fighter because I entirely neglect striking. To talk up my martial art, judo is designed to be safe....which counterinutively allows us to go at each other pretty hard. That said BJJ's great too.
[deleted] 7y ago
It's not that bad. If you're sparing and it's getting too rough, just take a knee and bow out. Rarely does training/sparing actually effect your cognitive ability.
Dubalicious 7y ago
Seriously.
The cost:benefit is nowhere near what it is for "just lifting" in my opinion. When the fuck am I going to need to fight except for when I'm training to fight? I can be aesthetic all the fucking time.
FuckMichaelMcCoy 7y ago
This is just the male hamster for those who cant get big. Sure, fighting is good. But how often does one even fight in real life? And if so, you pay the price from the law if you get caught. AND.. lets say you whoop someones ass - now 35 people in a bar think youre an alpha. But being swole in daily life, 1000s of people will think youre alpha as youre out at the store, living life.
Lifting simply has a better overall benefit than fighting. Fighting is good if it motivates you to get in shape or if you are competitive with it. But the overall cost:benefit, lifting is realms better. Sometimes life isnt always about crunching the cost:benefit of activities, people may just enjoy fighting and competing against another man. No knock to them, but they always have a high horse against "looking big and pretty" it comes across as jealousy. To be fair, every SPORT is like that. Football players think theyre better than baseball players, track runners think theyre better than cross country, surfers think theyre better than bodyboarders, Rugby thinks theyre better than soccer, etc
brgrss 7y ago
Having lifted and trained in fighting, people REALLY overestimate how much their MMA gym shit will help them against someone much bigger and stronger than them. It's all just tough talk.
FuckMichaelMcCoy 7y ago
Exactly. It takes years for it to give you a steep advantage on some random in the street. People think 6 months of training will give them superpowers.
Another thing is weight class. Theres a reason those exist. Because size matters, a lot. A 200 pound guy who has been training on and off MMA for 1 year will most likely beat a 160 pound guy who has been training for 5 years.
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lifting is important but so is cutting to SD Body Fat. And crushing it at school/work. And having fun with some buds..this may mean letting go of self improvement for a few hours (heaven forbid!)
Do all that and the smashing poon will take care of itself
NightwingTRP 7y ago
A few questions to help improve your post.
Okay, what advice can you give for people to be able to identify this?
Okay, that's cool. Now how would you start the research and what if the area where you live doesn't give you much information in that regard?
Finally I'd ask what about age? You mention how you started at 8 years old. Most guys reading this are not 8. What about guys who've hit 30 starting? 40? 50? Is it still worth it at 50? Would it still be worth it at 60? Are there likely to be any differences caused by age since you've mentioned how tough the work is? (Particularly if these guys have only been lifting so they're not used to stuff that requires a higher stamina.) If you can provide some idea of what to expect and explain it then it lends a significant level of credibility to your post.
This isn't to say your post has no credibility. It's more to say that the more bases you cover, the more credibility and deference your post will receive. Most of the guys commenting are guys similar to you... they're clearly not the target of your post. The guys who aren't like you are the target. They're the ones you want that credibility and defence from. Do you see what I mean?
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dudeguymanthesecond 7y ago
Because this is a forum dominated by people aged 16-24. Adults don't fight for stupid reasons, they have way too much to lose and very little to gain from doing so. Unless they're white trash/townies/whathaveyou.
yapel 7y ago
I fucked my knee so I guess I can't do anythin other than the good ol' lifting, but doing boxing a while ago was extreamly comforting
prostaddict 7y ago
Yup - I lift 3x a week and muay thai 3x a week. Even going against a heavy bag isn't enough, you really need to spar to see how exhausting a real fight can be
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Have to agree with that. Heavy bag is going to be intense for the first few months. But after that you'll be able to catch your breath and it'll get easier. When you have someone hitting you back, and trying to out maneuver you, that's when the thinking is involved. People don't understand that in fighting, to goal is to out think/wit your opponent.
suddenly_bananas 7y ago
This is just bro-advice once again... The best way to win in a fight is to avoid it alltogether. If somebody wants to seriously injure or kill you, they most will use weapons. Have some common sense folks...
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Sorry if my post seemed centered around using fighting as a self defense. I meant to point out the other aspects of fight training. But yeah, you're right.
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AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
You're a brave soul. I tried kick boxing once. Got kicked in the nuts. Never again. LOL.
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I agree that both lifting and a discipline contact sport are massively important.
To your sense of self, your well being, you challenging yourself and competing - all excellent ways to better yourself.
I disagree that being able to "kick someone's ass" and/or not get your own ass handed to you in a fight is bullshit.
The older you get, the less willing you should be to get physical with anybody. You begin to realize that getting nailed with a lucky shot/sucker punch from the wingman/knife in the ribs/sudden curbstomb by the guys' posse/shot by the girlfriend FAR outweighs the need of the ego. Fights just don't really exist in the real adult world. Anyone who is getting into barfights into their 20's has issues, and you should not be associating with them.
The alpha MMA guy in your story? In prison for assault and is now getting his prison wallet violated on a regular basis by Bubba.
Or dead. You don't realize how many people have a CCW permit and a pistol on them at all times.
Fighting outside of a life-or-death situation is STUPID. Grow up.
GC0W30 7y ago
In the story the OP is remembering, it was 2 guys that he beat up, and they ambushed him while he was leaving the bar. One of the guys was his wife's lover and the other one was a friend of his wife's lover.
He didn't just beat the shit out of a guy who was fucking his wife out of anger.
That being said, maybe he should have avoided that bar for safety, but I don't know the neighborhood and usually your wife's boyfriend is more inclined to slip out the back door than fight you, if given the chance.
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greatslyfer 7y ago
lol the timing of this post though.
I was walking my dog last night when I came across 2 or 3 goons in the local park. As I got close one of em stood up and from what I saw was being a bit confrontational when I was getting close. Like their body gesture was one of aggression, like "What do you want kid?" type of thing.
I'll be honest, I got a bit startled and went another direction.
I was like wtf do they want? Trying to act tough and shit.
This occupied my thoughts for the next hour and as soon as I came back home I started getting mad.
Who the fuck were these cunts for disrespecting me like that?
I decided fuck it, I'm gonna walk in their area and if they act up I'll fucking confront them.
But when I went there they were gone.
What do you guys think of this?
I know that it's just a bad idea to pursue this kind of shit, but at that time I just couldn't let my ego get ahead of me.
hamsterbator 7y ago
pretty idiotic, honestly. take some deep breaths next time. you did the right thing by walking away the first time.
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PaulHarden 7y ago
You don't ever want to voluntarily get in a fight with more than 1 person, that was dumb as hell.
greatslyfer 7y ago
Yea didn't want to feel like a pussy.
My friend from a few years back would shame me if I did pussy shit like that, like not stand my ground.
Guess he was an idiot and I should stick to my own reasoning if it makes sense.
Battle-Scars 7y ago
My son and I box together once a week, what an amazing sport, so many benefits both physically and mentally. There's a reason they call it the "sweet science".
AshyBoneVR4 7y ago
Amen to that. My dad was actually the reason I started boxing at 8 too. Best thing the man has ever done for me. Learning the ins and outs of boxing is mind blowing. The little things that people overlook or don't know is fucking overwhelming.
dmmmmm 7y ago
..only reason were talking about this is because they weren't armed. There are stories in the news practically every weekend of tough guys like that getting shot.
IIlllIllIIIllIl 7y ago
I agree with you. But be aware you're an outlier, that you were lucky enough to have been boxing since you were eight. Yes, people here should get involved in a discipline, but before that level of gameplay makes sense they should be lifting. Because its easy, you get quick noticeable results, and it works.
Only once you've got the basics down should you move on to the more creative methods.
lakesidelife 7y ago
Why is lifting stressed over "fight" training? There is much more to gain and it's a more productive use of time.
In real life there is no rules and weight classes in a fight. The raw strength and athleticism gained from proper weight training plus a little knowledge will go further in a fight than rolling around on a mat for hours on end.
MMA is a hobby... if you are looking for for a hobby.. maybe it's for you.
My advice is don't go looking for fights... deescalate at all costs. A weapon is better than no weapon. A real fighter ends a fight in under 3 seconds. MMA is just going to train you to go back and forth. If your going back and forth... the bigger and stronger guy is going to win... fuck yo skillz.
Come at me with your Muay Thai low kicks... give me like 10 of them.. and I'll just give you one low stomp to your knee cap and your leg is broken.
You want to roll around on the ground? Cute... how did your BJJ class prepare you for the guy that's about to rip your eyeball out or stab you in your lungs? Oh they didn't?
Like I said... MMA is a hobby and they don't teach you what real fighting is.
monkeycycling 7y ago
This thread is everyone agreeing and talking about what they already train. You are the one that needed this post
Y0gurtDestiny 7y ago
Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Kudos.
DeLeon06 7y ago
Sad thing is,this is about 85% of peoples mentality when it comes to fighting...
lakesidelife 7y ago
How so? Did I destroy your Hollywood fight scene fantasies?
Look at BJJ... the essential stuff that could help on the streets could be mastered in under 3 months... the other 80% on your way to black belt is just BS to score points on a mat in a game. Muay Thai is just exchanging ineffective sporting blows. You take those two systems and you pretty much describe 90% of what MMA is.
Seriously... show me a MMA school that is teaching how to snap someone's neck from a rear hip throw?
I have trained in serious MMA gyms. You can count on one hand the number of guys that could handle themselves in real life... most are just underweighted guys there LARPing.
MMA training is good practice to learn timing and to anticipate your opponent... but you will never learn how to seriously disable or kill a person. IT IS A FUCKING GAME WITH RULES. It might not be soccer... but it's far from kill or be killed.
The Bruce Wayne fantasies are really getting out of hand on this sub.
You guys really need to get on the streets and deal with some savage mother fuckers and you will quickly learn not let all this MMA fantasy bull shit go to your head. It might be cool on the campus bro... but IRL it's going to get you killed.
Y0gurtDestiny 7y ago
If you think that your time in a weight room is going to give you an advantage over someone who spends an equal amount of time training MMA, whether it's boxing, BJJ, whatever, my personal opinion is that you're completely delusional. Hell, even a guy who spent half the amount of time spent working on MMA would completely wreck your average gym rat. It wouldn't even be close.
Why do you think Royce Gracie demolished his way through the early days of UFC? All those big huge strong meatheads with above average bar or street fighting experience got manhandled by a guy almost half their size. MMA may be a 'fucking game with rules' but the skills translate to real life hand-to-hand combat. Weapons are a different story and one of the principle tenets of any good MMA practice is to first and foremost, avoid conflicts whenever possible.
But please, do us all a favor and go walk into your nearest MMA gym and ask to spar with an intermediate student. You would get absolutely destroyed. Take video for us too. I can't wait to watch. The only person with a hollywood fantasy is you, thinking all your hours of deadlifts and curls are going to save you in a fight.
lakesidelife 7y ago
MMA is not combat...
You seem to have an issue with strength... if strength is bullshit why does your sport have weight classes?