Its an American thing to put a stigma on buying pussy. Been to 24 countries and buying pussy is as legal and normal as buying a Big Mac. In Latin and South America the women come with practically price tags. That's why they are so ferociously territorial. They know that pay-for-play is REAL. Either they become good wives or good whores so they pick a struggle asap. In the USA there's a tendency to turn hoes into house wives. Your career woman of 24+ is a hoe. No getting past it or around it etc. Stop fooling yourself. The only way to curb a hoe is essentially isolation. 1. Weak social network. 2 Finacial and emotional dependency due to constant relocation or constantly being preggo and constant surveillance by you and your FEMALE blood relatives. They call that spousal abuse in the states, the rest of the world calls that life.

Just be thankful you don't live in a place that requires you to get married to get laid. Now that is some expensive pussy.

It is a shorthand for abundance REALITY. Let's not kid ourselves, it can be abused as a lazy crutch.

It's junk food. If you really are starving like a kid from Congo, go ahead and open the cheetos and eat. Something is better than nothing. But never confuse cheetos for a perfectly cooked tomahawk steak

I don't know if prostitutes are for me. I am all for prostitutes in general and definitely think legalization is needed. the current legal status causes more social upheaval then the extremely limited success of enforcing a law that I am sure does not reflect the cultural view.

that being said, some friends of mine bought me a "girl in a cake" prostitute for my birthday one year. I thought it was just a stripper ..... but found out different when she did the old reliable "wow ... you seem really cool ... it's so loud in here ... want to walk to the beach?".

which is the stupidest thing ever. never have I been "cool" to any girl who does not have some kind of "convention" (ren fair, comic con, etc.) ticket stubs saved in her home. but I was drunk enough to think "wow ... the stripper likes me ...". yes ... I was that drunk.

the experience was fantastic and when told how much they spent .... I have to say "worth every dime". and as far as pricing ... Maybe the least expensive alternative when looking at having a woman around and satisfying the male needs from a woman.

the only downfall I have on this one is I hate sharing. I even broke up with the girl I was cheating on my mistress with because I thought she kissed some guy. that's me saying: "HEY CHICK THAT I CHEAT ON MY MISTRESS WITH, THE MISTRESS IN TURN THAT I CHEAT ON MY GIRLFRIEND WITH ..... I think you might have been talking to that guy and gave him a kiss on the cheek ..... screw that ... get out".

and prostitutes are shared. they have to be or we have a whole other problem meeting price point. thought that sharing is bought off with variety, since I can then decide what I want that time.

do I want a girl to come over and have dinner and dress in some jammies and let me rail her while we watch Netflix, closer to a girlfriend thing. Do I want to meet some stranger at a bar and "get totally lucky"? What about doing the maid? there is a lot to be said for this flexibility.

and I am sure that there are some sloppy ho bitches out there, but for the most part, these chicks are going to stay in shape. it's their livelihood. what's more .... in a lot of relationships, it is not cool to pen the door, explain the girl is too fat, shut the door and call the person who set up the date. I would figure that is common in prostitution.

TRP dudes have 2 main different opinions on this topic. There is one group that is okay with fucking prostitutes and another that is not. However, the point made in the post makes sense. This is something I suggested to my brother since he was virgin (Still is I guess) before college. But alas, he brought up "I don't like paying for sex" line and I did not want to argue further.

The issue with this is:

No self improvement needed to get a bj from a hooker, so you push yourself less.

Can be addictive.

Using prostitutes is the OPPOSITE of abundance; it's more akin to relying on porn. Sure, you know you can bust a nut whenever you want, but you'll know at the end of the day you still haven't had any real success with women.

Wouldn't using prostitutes make one a part of the evil economic machine supporting the sex trade, which controls and destroys the lives of many women throughout the world? (Obviously in certain situations this wouldn't be the case, but in general) It may be helpful to keep this in mind when deciding what ethical barriers you decide to cross in order to bolster your confidence. There are better avenues. Find them.

I think that prostitution could be a very powerful weapon against female entitlement. Would betas spend all this time and money on females if they had hookers to call? If guys had a 10 to call up, would they be so willing to tolerate bullshit from a 6? Me personally I'll pay a hooker if I had to. I been through all the levels of game and I just don't care anymore.

Honestly you guys should visit Thailand/Vietnam etc.

Girls are dead easy to pick up due to your vastly higher SMV (at least as dates). And if you screw up at that, you can find cheap hookers.

I feel like i can chime in here because since a young age, and i'm 24 now, i've been seeing escorts. My count is pretty high and I've spent a lot of money, even though I am a handsome guy and can easily get with girls.

But because of the escorts (I lost my virginity to one) from an early age, I've always had a red pill mentality and never got emotionally involved with any girl (I've been single all my life).

Lately, I've been really craving that emotional attachment, and love, and companionship....but because of that strict 'red pill' mentality, I just can't get myself to really get to know a girl or get into a relationship (also has to do with my religion).

I don't advocate escorts/prostitutes...they are a bad thing, an abomination, you will get numbed out. But because of my religion and personal beliefs, I just couldn't ever accept being in a relationship other than marriage....but the more escorts I saw, the farther I moved away from 'marriage'

I really want to get married, and I'm not financially stable or emotionally/mentally prepared for a marriage, but I cannot have sex outside of marriage, it's a huge sin and I see the negative repercussions of it on my life.

It has been an on-going battle with self-control, patience and having strength to not have sex, and to wait for marriage, but marriage is so far from me, and because of all the escorts I've seen, I'm addicted to sex, even if my body doesn't cooperate. And I can't imagine myself being with 1 woman....because if I have sex with her, I will lose interest in her or cheat on her, I'm scared about that too.

I don't know what I'm trying to say. But prostitutes are the best thing in the world, but also the worst.

and I 100% agree with you, because PROSTITUTES, hands down, are the BEST way to naturally become attuned to the 'red pill' mentality. It's wrong and messed up, but being around them will teach you so much, just interacting with them.

EDIT: If you want to experience loneliness at it's extreme, then start seeing prostitutes/escorts, and if you live a life like that, you will understand what it feels to be insanely lonely....and you will see the loneliness in the prostitutes too, many are good girls, that are sooo lonely, and if you are a LONELY guy, prostitutes are women who will understand you 100%, and you will understand them. It's hard to describe, but you will be humbled

Also, most prostitutes are 'red pill', they understand the need for sex that men have, and they also understand the value/worth of pussy...and are willing to provide it. It's a basic transaction, with no judgments, and complete understanding. The 'newer' younger ones still feel like they are on a pedestal, but after 2-3 months of working in the industry, they get humbled and become down to earth. They accept reality and the real value of pussy....sex and pussy is overrated

I strongly disagree because it creates a mindset that sex is something you have to get from her. That's the world betas live in; a world where you get sex as a reward if you do X.

If you turn into a desperate little dweeb after a dry spell, that's a separate problem you need to fix and going to prostitutes won't help. You are giving women far too much power over you if you feel like you must get laid or you won't be able to function properly.

The date with the girl might cost 50 bucks max. A prostitute is gonna cost like 120-250. If ur a rich blue pill

The easiest way to get an abundance mentality is to stop placing so much emphasis on sex bro. It will happen. Just live your life and don't fukin worry about it, don't plan it, don't talk to women with the goal of sex. Just do what you want and allow people to enter/exit your life as they please. Maybe this is not in line with TRP exactly, but whatever.

If you think like this, a woman will never have any power over you.

I have an older friend, who fucked hookers left, right and center all his life. He's 30 now, but he's got absolutely no abundance mentality. I guess it won't come by itself, you have internalize it when you go on a crusade to smash.

I think there's value in seeing sex workers.

To qualify the following statements: I've had LTRs with hot, sexy women, am in decent shape for my age, consider that I have reasonable game, and have been called "very handsome" by many women. I don't mention this to brag but to put perspective on my opinion.

These days, I can't be bothered with the dating game. I can and have done it. But I am a busy man and my current mindset is that it's just not worth the time navigating the modern female's silliness, pettiness, and drama - which, as we all know, will always occur not if, but when. Also, the majority of women I've met have little to offer in terms of valuable companionship.

Where I currently live I can pick up an HB8 GFE escort and have my way with her all night incredibly cheaply. So, if I'm only interested in sex, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't bear out for spending all the time, money, and effort to game some chick since even the ones that are interested in you from the start require maintenance.

I'll date the ones that are effortless. But, as the OP says, I'll drop them at the first hint of unreasonable drama since I know I can get physical satisfaction from beautiful women easily.

Interesting post. Look at it this way. From a guy I wouldn't take a ton of life advice from, Charlie Sheen... "I don't pay women for sex: I pay them to leave."

Time = money. Attention is also currency in girl world. Your either spending time with her or soending cash on her. ALPHA = residual pussy due to self prioritization BETA= pussy you barter for in one form or fashion or another.

If your hardwork or inheritance grants you money or looks and it gives you the ability to shortcut straight to fucking with low investment in resources (to you) or time. ALPHA FUCKS.

If you undertake the 12 Labors of Hercules and wait for the right time just to scratch the stinky squirrel. BETA BUCKS.

Prostitutes are like junk food. Unhealthy in large quantities and low on nutrion. Sometimes you just need a snicker. You get cranky when your hungry

Year and a half dry spell

I don't know if the hunger for sex is all-consuming... but it is definitely one of the main motivators to go to put on more muscle, continue working on charisma and social skills as well as religiously build a music career.

At 23, definitely feel like I'm missing out on a Lot... but want a stable career more than a stable sex life right now. TRP is always motivating in that regard

So, where could I find a pro in Montreal for 2 hours where I can go ham on her? I'm a virgin because I turned down a dozen opportunities because of my insecurities. Somehow, I think I'll be godly in bed, I can just feel it, and I have an amazing tool size for amazing sex. I'm one of those that will finish round 1, break 10 minutes, round 2, break 20 minutes, round 3, and after I'd probably get hungry lol.

There was also a post some time ago on this subject that had another point. By paying the entrance fee to the most beautiful pussy you've ever seen in the real world, you get good perspective on how much prime vagina actually is worth.

I make way more than the average person around here, I could go everyday to a prostitute and still have more cash than the average dude, so let me tell you an advice, cus I've been there, don't go too many times to the same bitch, you'll get hooked and thats one of the worse things you can do, also, remember, is not a silver bullet, the money you spend on them, is money you don't spend on yourself

I've never had to use prostitutes myself, but I can imagine your mindset going into it makes all the difference in the world. If you approach it just to shut up the call of nature making you feel inadequate if you're not getting laid then that might be acceptable. If you are using it because you feel like you can't get it anywhere else then it will just compound those empty feelings and widen that empty hole you're feeling inside. In other words, use cautiously and sparingly.

I believe the biggest issue is money (assuming you live in a place where it’s legal e.g. NL), so it’s not recommended to make it your main method of obtaining sex.

If you still have your v-card and want to get rid of it, then go ahead and see a sex worker. Don’t worry about the “first time should be with someone special” bullshit, and don’t listen to anyone who tries to moralise you.

MGTOW have known about the "value" of prostitutes for a long time. As did most men for most of human history (up until relatively recently with all the romance BS fed to us by Disney and Hollywood). Genuine MGTOW don't put any value whatsoever on female validation and the unnecessary desire for said validation is all that differentiates "real" women from prostitutes. Even with "real" women, no one knows for sure how she really feels about you and as we all know, their minds often change. So nothing wrong with sticking with hookers if that suits you and makes your life easier. Sex is easy. Even sex with hot women. All it really takes is some money and balls.

Careful.

Prostitution is fine from time to time (occasional whim) if you are able to game at least a couple of girls a month or during "survival mode" as long as you set absolutely clear boundaries and limits. That means never, ever go visit a hooker more than once a month and at the same time never stop improving your game, approaching, etc. until you reach your desired game level.

And all of this provided that you are financially clean, no debts, decent income, etc. etc.

I repeat: careful. You must know yourself and be honest. If you have doubts about your will and discipline with this, you could easily fall for the easiest path instead of improving yourself, which should always be priority #1.

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This isn't the place for prostitute talk. If prostitutes were a legitimate sexual strategy, all that talk about improving our SMV is null and void, only SMV we'll need is money.

And no, fucking prostitutes won't get you an abundance mentality any more than eating at a restaurant will get you a chef's culinary skills.

"If a man isn't getting sex on the regular, the need for sex will slowly eat away at him, making him more desperate. Imagine if you are on a 6 months dry spell, the first date you scheduled you will feel like you can't fuck it up, because you will subconsciously feel like it's your only chance to get laid; the desperation is palpable and your chance to get laid will be deminished even more, and the negative feedback cycle continues."

In this scenario Beta Bob is probably chronically masturbating and believes that he needs women to give him sexual release in order to validate his miserable existence.

"By using prostitutes, it allows a man to bypass this mental blockade. Imagine you're having a date with a 7, 8 or even a 9, and you know if the date doesn't go well, you know in the back of your head you can always call up someone who is a 10/10 in your book. The abundance mentality will make you more IDGAF and more attractive in the eyes of your date."

Spending $XXX on a prostitute is a waste of money and here, Beta Bob is spending his hard-earned cash for less than an hour of artificial satisfaction with a 10/10 who wouldn't touch you with a barge pole in any other circumstance. Knowing this and looking a real woman in the eye he won't stand a chance on a date as he doesn't even know why he is with this 7/10 or 8/10 when after he worked all week he could just spend his wage on an orgasm.

"If you have the means and lack moral objection, I'd suggest everyone to use a pro from time to time. And if you're a virgin, it's doubly important to use one, as it helps to get rid of this mental image that sex is this all encompassing experience that should be shared with a special someone, thanks to our femcentric society."

Semi-correct here but the post-virgin will know for the rest of his life that he didn't have the social skills to work hard enough to get any pussy. That's a poor foundation for a man's future.

TL;DR, OP is talking crap. Prostitutes are not a substitute for positive action.

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Use prostitutes to create abundance.

I have no qualm with this. Sex is Sex, period.

We are all paying for sex directly/indirectly, better to get the most of it.

All women are whores. It's either your time, money, or energy or some combination thereof. You decide if it's an issue with your ego or you simply want your dick sucked before the gym.

I dunno man. That's like wearing a muscle suit to feel like you're jacked.