About six months ago I started making a deliberate habit of modifying my "beta" slouchy posture to one of an "Alpha" dominant posture. Along with hitting the gym on the regular, focusing a bit more on my diet, and taking in a steady stream of RP wisdom, I have learned the following:
Posture matters!
I'm a tall, gangly dude at 6'2''. It's always been easy to slouch. Slouching makes it easier to watch my step where I walk. see myself in a mirror or allow me to "hide" in a crowd. Clothes never really fit so slouching also provided a way in which they would. Slouching wasn't just a posture thing, it was part of my identity.
Since improving my posture, I can feel the effects bad posture had on my psyche and on my surroundings.
When meeting new people, their attitude towards me is different in just the right way as to invoke a leadership quality in myself that seems to have always been there, but always dormant. When I maintain my posture, my requests of people are more willingly followed and the respect of everybody towards me is palpable. For the first time in my life, when walking down the street, I can lock eyes with a woman and actually get a bashful smile in return, rather than the quick aversion of the eyes, to which I am most accustomed.
It was very uncomfortable at first, as my posture appealed to a confidence that, quite frankly, I didn't have. I felt that just by fixing my posture I was saying something to the people around me. My beta tendencies of not wanting to offend and always be a people-pleaser were being challenged. In retrospect, my slouching made me feel like I was apologizing to everybody for being taller than them. I had so long trained my identity to be that of a lovable pup that merely taking the posture of a Alpha dog shook my emotions.
Beyond that, it took physical exertion on my part to make it happen. I had to constantly "remind" myself to fix my posture over and over. Many a conversation were lost as I would be paying attention to someone only to blank out as I adjusted my posture. It was tedious, no doubt.
I really only followed this simple instructional video for a few weeks. After that, I just made it a habit to have good posture when walking around or standing. I figured, everybody has to have a posture, why should mine be bad?
And things are so different now it's hard to remember what it was like before. Nowadays, if I assume a poor posture, it is physically and emotionally uncomfortable. It actually hurts. My posture feels right and normal now. When I see a group of slouchers, I can walk right up to them and immediately have that edge that makes it so much simpler to meet and greet. I've also discovered that holding this posture makes it so much easier to maintain direct eye-contact with someone else. I've had so many women look me in the eyes and, while I maintain eye-contact without wavering, they eventually avert their eyes in a shy, if not subservient, way. (Perhaps it's a micro shit-test?)
Either way, posture matters. Add it to the list of self-improvement items you'll be ticking off as you become your best you. It's definitely uncomfortable at first, but I don't think I could have made half the gains I have in my life recently if I hadn't fixed it.
Good luck, gentlemen.
Fitzfire 9y ago
Truth...
I spend a lot of time riding a bicycle, so I find myself hunching forward and collapsing into my lower back if I'm not careful. I find that about 5 minutes of counter stretching with a pilates ball (the 78cm one) clears this issue right up. Basically, I just sit down on the thing and slowly roll forward/lay back until I'm in a supported back bridge. I'll hold it for about 5 minutes. I'm not what you'd call a "fit" guy, but I can pretty much wrap myself around this thing backwards with my head touching the ground. It works wonders for a guy's posture, flexibility. No bullshit.
charlesbukowksi 9y ago
i saw this thread a few days ago. much of my time is consumed by anterior activities like reading and using the computer, as a result i always have problems with my upper back, c5 area. i stretch almost constantly to correct it (love those upper back cracks) but sometimes that's not enough.
the exercises in that video you linked are excellent, they're saving me a lot of time.
Thank you so much.
87GNX 9y ago
Don't you realize what you're doing? Rapists stand up straight. By walking around with your shoulders back you are triggering women. Every day, women are being triggered, forced to relive those memories of abuse, over and over... because of your actions.
Shame on you.
RAGING_ERECTION 9y ago
Heavy deadlifts and rows will do amazing things for your posture.
Junkis 9y ago
This times a thousand. The first time i made this adjustment and really was diligent people just started being more open and nicer to me just because of my body's presentation.
Mikesapien 9y ago
Slouching allows you to lead with your skull. With your head tilted forward, like you said, OP, it lets you see your step better and so on. This makes it an easy habit to fall into.
The idea is to lead with your chest. Puff it out proudly and aim yourself with your pecs. It takes practice, bur it pays off. It exudes confidence like nothing else does.
drcarp2 9y ago
Just try balancing a book on your head. Should help you not only keep a good posture but walk straight with confidence
FeelLikeFlexing 9y ago
My Dad used to tell me to walk like you can walk through fire.
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bradyo2 9y ago
I think you should clarify it's not just working out that will do it. Yes, lifting will definitely help improve your posture, but you need to make a conscious effort to stand up straight
charlesbukowksi 9y ago
That is true in some cases. It seems to me in other cases it may be a result of improper musculoskeletal alignment.
For example, you can sleep in a strange position and wake up misaligned, this can be overcome by stretching/cracking your neck/back. Now imagine you're not sleeping but sitting in an unnatural position 8+ hours a day every day of your life.
Over time your body will become accustomed to these misalignments. Misalignments are not unlike tribal piercings, which put unnatural holes in the body. Simply working the muscles isn't enough, you need to realign the muscles and skeleton - take out the piercings. The body will try to revert to its improper position but with diligence, stretching and exercise, your muscles will begin to reposition and your natural musculoskeletal structure will reemerge.
a_nus 9y ago
True. My pushing and pulling strength used to be very imbalanced. I could only do ~3 pullups but I could do 50+ pushups. After giving my back and pulling more attention, my posture has dramatically improved without me having to consciously be thinking about it.
Axotl 9y ago
I agree with this. My personal experience has been that my posture improved massively after a couple of years on a program with a heavy emphasis on barbell compound work, such as deadlifts and squats. An improved posture can also make you seem taller than you were perceived as before.
everyone_wins 9y ago
That is so true. I noticed a huge difference in posture after I started lifting.
azrap1 9y ago
I don't know if the root cause is a muscular imbalance, but working out undoubtedly helped my posture.
After a week or 2 of deadlifting, slouching became uncomfortable.
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Same experience. Took only 2-3 weeks of dead lifting and my posture completely changed. And this was before I even read any instruction about it; simply happened naturally.
Crimson_Rot 9y ago
For me it was benching. You naturally make the proper posture while benching.
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My experience in the gym is a lot of people don't assume the correct posture when benching. You're right though, insofar is if you do, your reps and max do go up because it utilizes more of your pecs.
PaulRivers10 9y ago
I started lifting thinking it would improve my posture, and it just made it worse.
I was achy a lot. It reinforced putting my muscles into not-very-natural positions in order to lift the bar "right".
I was constantly exhausted.
My flexibility got worse.
I injured myself several times - there was one specific time this girl who had been sending a ton of IOI at me asked me to dance, I got up - and shuffled across the floor like an old man because I had injured my leg. I literally watched her interest in me drop like a rock off her face. The progression was right there where I would have been pushing her face into my pillow that night had things gone well, and lost it because I was injured weightlifting.
Eventually I injured myself badly enough I had to stop. Leg hurt for 3 months. I went to a doctor then a specialist - they claimed I would need surgery. I was able to find online stretching and massage programs that finally fixed the problem without surgery (main one was Defranco's Limber 11, though it was technically the 8 version before it) - but it took over and year and it still gets twingy sometimes.
My posture only improved when I stopped lifting, and started doing mobility and flexibility work.
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PaulRivers10 9y ago
Lol, good response, I can always count on the weightlifting crowd to have a feminist-level grasp of shaming tactics.
11411181 9y ago
I'm pretty sure if you injure yourself and then keep doing that same action expecting a different result...that makes you a dumbass.
Raggos 9y ago
Proper as in "targeted" or specific exercise for neck muscles (like the one in the video). Was doing 100kg pull downs for my back, but my neck was still overly developped from all the sitting behind the computer, all until i started doing exercise for front-of-neck muscles. Seemed so friggin specific I could feel the burn (never used them)... But those small muscles pulled the entire spine....felt like friggin magic!
Crimson_Rot 9y ago
Same. I have huge traps but weak scapulas.
wiseclockcounter 9y ago
are there any exercises not in the video that made a big difference for you?
Raggos 9y ago
There's an exercise my dentist told me, which happened to affect my jaw/neck balance. It was simply to open (80%+) and close my mouth while keeping the jaw as far back as possible, about 50x repetitions, once per day. Surprisingly effective.
Another exercise I saw in an Eliot Hulse video, about lowering your voice, it was simply stretching my abdominals by pressing on my back with fists and leaning back, breathing deep breaths...that helps you loosen up a bit, which in turn gradually helps you slip into your alpha/proper posture.
AdmiralVonJackass 9y ago
Eliot just put out a great video with 4 neck stretches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxar8p0WcIM&list=UU0ASolYU_Yh3yShLFQC0stg
penhova 9y ago
Yes! I don't know if you need it, but every rp need to have a deep(er) voice.
Just like you said having a correct(alpha) posture give you a boost in confidence, the same shit applies with a deep/macho voice. Thanks to r/becomeaman i'm making a progress in that regard.
The solution? Simple, just do what the guy in this video does:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhJbXPvSDKE
Now add a deep voice + no fap + gym/work out+ correct posture + nice clothes + game + rp knowledge + diet + purpose in life = You are slowly becoming a fucking Man.
Iimprove your body(through work out) is a fucking must, but also improving you soul/mind/brain/you name it is as mandatory as that. Educate yourself.
No, college it's not educating. Mj demarco said that real education starts once you graduate. Wait, are you gonna fucking wait till you recieve you degree to start learning about life? I know i don't and i know you don't.
So start educating now! read books. Reading books is like lifting weights, the more you lift, the better you are. Same with books. You are know becoming a red pill man, so start with red pill books: Rational Male, Book of Pook, The way of Men, Charysma Myth, Bang, The bible (yes, even the bible has rp wisdom), Millionarie Fastlane, Definite Body Language, No more Mr Nice Guy, and much, much more.
Did you remember when you went to the gym for the first time (especially if were a fucking fat/skinny lazy piece of shit like me)? You felt that your body couldn't resist that kind of training, you wanted to stop, but you didn't, you know why? because you knew that working out/lifting weights improves you life in every single way, you felt you testosterone (the fount of life, the source of being a man) skyrocketed.
Well, the same will happen once you start reading books, you are gonna feel like ''why the hell im reading this shit?, it's worthless'' but no, you know it, i know it , we all know it, that this is not the case. Imagine that every book you read it's like Morpheus talking directly to you, the more he tell you, the more you are aware of the matrix. You start knowing more about youself, you start knowing more about the bp shit that surround your life, you are becoming wiser, you are becoming, little by little, a better Man.
So, what are you waiting now? stop procrastinating with the internet, and do some book lifting.
redpill90 9y ago
My chiropractor always says pull your chin in, especially if you're tall.
Cypher211 9y ago
A friend of mine actually gave me a tip a while back which stuck with me. He said when you walk imagine you're wearing a cape, this forces you to straighten your back and set your shoulders back. Not sure how widely applicable this is but I thought it was quite a good idea.
BeautifullyHuman 9y ago
"Walk like you're wearing a cape" is the advice I always follow.
PM_ME_DEM_BRESTESES 9y ago
NO CAPES - Edna moles
Mymobileacoconut 9y ago
"Lead with your dick" is what my grandma always told me...
bradyo2 9y ago
Your... Grandma?
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That's what I tell everybody. Walk like Quagmire when his dick drags him this way and that.
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
It's shaped like a pointer for a reason.
colovick 9y ago
And your chest and abs form a triangle pointing to your dick
Sergnb 9y ago
also "imagine you have a balloon attached to your head crown and is pulling you up". Seems to work for me.
ZiggySmalls91 9y ago
6' 8 here and I struggle with posture. Thanks for the post, this is something I surely need to work on.
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Look into Anterior Pelvic Tilt. If you've been sitting down for 6-8 hours each day for years then it's probably an issue. Hyper-lordosis in your lower back (swayback) will lead to Kyphosis (slouching) in your upper back. If your gut sticks out and your butt sticks out then you have a problem. There are plenty of guides to correct this imbalance.
[deleted] 9y ago
Excellent find. In my efforts to correct my posture, I had this same problem. I didn't know there was a word for it specifically and just lumped it in with bad posture. This is very helpful!
RedPill4LYF 9y ago
I worked on my posture before coming to TRP. The biggest problem for me was realizing I was lazy in a seat. Like many of you, I spend a lot of my time sitting in seats. Car seats, desk seats, seat seats. The point is that it's very easy to slouch unconsciously. You also may have reservations about trying to do something about it in front of people.
Well, you'll never have good posture if you think like that. Stop worrying about what people think. When you sit down, you need to hold yourself up just like if you were standing. It takes a lot of effort, but it becomes easier gradually over time. If you are consistent for about one year, you will be sitting and standing up straight unconsciously without even thinking about it.
Good posture is noticeable, and people have respect for it, so have respect for yourself and fix that shit if you need to. Maintaining good posture will do good things for you, including raising your level of confidence when you find yourself doing it without thinking about it. If you realize you're slouching, don't kick yourself, pick yourself up. It's that simple.
Keep a good streak going as long as possible and stop a bad one upon recognition.
WoodyHarrlesonsAgent 9y ago
Shoes make the man. In a pair of frye workboots you walk like a man. In a pair of sandals you walk like a frat boy.
121895 9y ago
My back is actually really fucked. Its impossible for me to do a squat cause of it. Got a meeting with doctor next week and am gonna ask for physical therapy. Posture is extremely important when you command respect.
StingrayVC 9y ago
Take an attractive slouching man and teach him to stand tall and it can add 1-2 SMV points. The display of confidence it promotes is palpable. I see attractive guys at my gym with nice chests and shoulders with that popular hunch and I want to grab their shoulders and pull them back to stick out theirs chests.
Why hide what you've worked so hard to accomplish?
bradyo2 9y ago
Speaking from experience - it feels weird. I used to slouch like a motherfucker, until my parents forced me to "stand up straight" whenever I was with them. I felt like an idiot. If you're slouched over every day for X number of years in your life, standing up straight with a 'proper' posture feels like overkill, and that you look ridiculous.
Fortunately, the opposite is actually true, and you look great. I still slip into a slouch every so often (usually when I'm cold), but a posture change has definitely given people a different opinion of me
FLFTW16 9y ago
Excellent post. Since I have swallowed the pill I have also been working on my posture. I remind myself about 30x a day. I work on posture while sitting, standing, walking. I have the same positive results you listed. Well done, OP. thumbs up
SouthAfricanGiant 9y ago
I am 6'5" and for my entire life my family would keep telling me to stand up straight. I only discovered how vital this was when I became older. Walk into a business meeting and be a full head taller than anyone else and the effects are amazing. You are spot on when it comes to people treating you differently when you stand up straight.
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leftajar 9y ago
Fantastic post.
I want to add this: fixing my posture helped me reduce my anxiety.
Part of my anxiety came from always feeling that tightness in my abdomen. I didn't realize it, but poor posture was perpetuating that feeling.
Standing up straight tends to reduce the pressure on your lower abdomen, encouraging one to breathe from the diaphragm. You'll often hear Elliot Hughes say, "Breathe into your balls!" I had to fix my posture before I could realistically do that.
DeathDealerEd 9y ago
There's a pretty good TED talk out there that explores how posture and body language actually affects our thinking and hormones. Apparently those who adopt more dominant and "alpha" postrues experience a pretty sizeable testosterone increase after just two minutes. Just another reason to posture up! http://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_shapes_who_you_are
40_SixandTwo 9y ago
One of the first things I started was the posture change when I started reading the information on this subreddit. Especially for alot of the new guys, changing your posture does a TON.
Since I started working and improving it, walking around campus, more people will eye me, give me greetings, so forth, and even the occasional sex eyes from women.
One of the biggest things is a ton more respect from my co workers and customers. Simply by changing my body language, it's gained me alot more interaction with them as well.
LastRevision 9y ago
This kind of post makes me so happy I found the TRP community and proud to be a part of it as both a reader and occasional contributor. It makes me sick to think that we are so heavily attacked as rapists and misogynists and abusive when posts like these, of course, are invisible to those looking to "ban" our community (when I can name at least five subs off the top of my head that are actually, objectively, offensive).
It's a fucking post on POSTURE... Wow, we sure are the devil.
Schrodingersdawg 9y ago
"Can't you tell that those misoooogynists are trying to trick women with their good posturing?"
Johnny_Shades 9y ago
Although this is true, we shouldn't give two fucks about what anyone else thinks of this subreddit.
I've noticed more and more posts linking to another subreddit bashing us. That isn't what the redpill is about. People need to go to /r/subredditdrama if they want to see that shit. I want better, quality posts outweighing the hate posts again.
Nerf_Circus 9y ago
Mate, that's manipulation. Good posture is attractive, you are just trying to trick girls into sleeping with you. /s
lorddeathhh 9y ago
"It's a fucking post on POSTURE... Wow, we sure are the devil." Don't you think it's a strawman argument to say that theredpill haters shouldn't think we are the devil based upon the assumption that they are talking about this one post? You are excluding literally every other post besides this one; in my opinion you are being a bit myopic.
LastRevision 9y ago
The Red Pill I see has tons of posts like this, always very firm but positive, including: fitness advice, social advice, spiritual advice, career advice. This is a space where we need no veil of the politically correct, so things end up brushing against what the mainstream considers offensive, like rape and the nature of man/woman as both social construct and animal....
The problem is that we have over 50,000 people now, all with the ability to post content, and a lot of what we discuss can be misunderstood or cherry picked to seem malicious. No one with half a brain on this sub is advocating rape or abuse of any kind, but unfortunitly we can't guarantee that every one of out 50k+ is a true "red pill man," and not here to feed their own hatred and anger.
jsl2837 9y ago
Tangential: The [Weak Man] (http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/12/weak-men-are-superweapons/)
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The thing is, we are told that we are trying to "manipulate" women using the devious tactic of appealing to what they desire. Posture is just one example of that.
FedUpWithTheBullShit 9y ago
Not a bad point, but they strawman us to a much more extreme degree (picking out downvoted/troll posts, out of context comments, etc. ) that it also makes this point completely laughable.
Assaultman67 9y ago
Doesn't fucking matter what they do.
We're here because we're trying to hold better standards for ourselves.
That includes behavior.
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GGDonnahue 9y ago
As a woman who also always looks at ways to improve myself and live my life in unashamed confidence, I really liked most of this post. The lines
spoke to me. I get these feelings too, like I should be shrinking myself, pulling myself back from showing my true strength and height (both literally and metaphorically.) I can definitely relate to all of this.
And then at the end, as is pretty common, I was all on board, feeling like "yeah, this guy's got it" when OP drops in something super squirm worthy about women looking at him "subserviently." Instant gender wall.
Not that that's anything new. I remember the first time I ever felt like this, hit by this jarring feeling of dehumanizing exclusion. Eighth grade. My Dad used to always take my brother and I to these gun and boat shows ever since I was little and I remember that year I started noticing people looking at me a lot more. Older guys, middle aged guys, younger guys, talking to me more ( I was used to adults vaguely ignoring me and only talking my Dad most of the time), asking my name, where I lived, how old I was. Silly me, I didn't really know what was going on until someone asked me "What you doing with the old guy, cutie?" (talking about my Dad). Actually it was my Dad that figured it out and sat me down and had a talk with me about it. I'd always known to not talk to strangers or get in a van with strange people or let a teacher or babysitter touch you in bad places. But that was a just in case, a minor percentile chance of someone actually being a pedophile. This was different. This was suddenly figuring out basically everyone in these places were the hypothetical "men in the van," not rapists, of course... but definitely interested.
Anyway he told me not to go off by myself, not to let anyone touch me, to cry "fire" instead of rape, to watch and see if someone was following me into the bathroom and to not wear shorts or tank tops to these things. It was also at one of these things that he bought me my first butterfly knife and explained how to gut someone so that "no doctor could fix."
Anyway it was then that I went from being part of this larger group of people interested in something to an outsider, an object.
Anyway, you're right. It's a pretty straight forward and upbeat post. But that whole way of thinking about women is definitely there anyway.
tl;dr Yes, it's a nice post but it's underlying thinking is still, unfortunately, inherently sexist.
violent_frame 9y ago
Oh my god, it must suck soooo much to be desired.
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LastRevision 9y ago
The Red Pill is, at heart, a subreddit for men. While there is certainly a lot of applicable content for women (for example, my girlfriend reads the sub and gets a lot out of it), the sub exists primarily as a non-mainstream, open space where men can honestly discuss the theory and practice of being the most successful man they can be in a world where women have been allowed the set the rules for what is considered appropriate.
I understand the side of being a sexually attractive woman that kinda sucks- yes, everywhere you go men are going to have disingenuous interactions with you. I'm sure you, like every attractive woman, will enjoy the upside of that but I believe that it gets tedious too. Even still, this subreddit is not about complaining about the world we live in, nor planning attempts to change it. This subreddit is about men attempting to maximize their success in the world as it is.
The vast majority of women love to be submissive for a man they consider dominant. Not ALL MEN or EVERY MAN; a man they consider dominant is the absolute key. Maintaining the utmost respect of as many women as possible is ideal; this is like, if are a single, heterosexual woman, you'd likely want to be considered very attractive to as many men as possible- this way you would garner the highest amount of choices and make the best informed decision regarding a mate. There isn't anything sinister with the OP mentioning that women look at him "subserviently" if you understand that this is what women find desirable and attractive. You may complain about unwanted attention, but if you are single and heterosexual, the polar opposite would be dreadful. The OP is noting that the immediate response he gets from women is heightened by good posture, and this fits in with the mission of The Red Pill.
TLDR: TRP isn't a subreddit for women, but that isn't to say women cannot find applicable content.
GGDonnahue 9y ago
I realize this is a sub reddit for men. My question is whether you really want to be saying this message to each other. You say you want to break free from a would where women have set the rules for what is considered appropriate. As a woman I don't exactly love that idea, but I'd at least give it a listening too. Maybe you have a point and there's more of a balance to be struck, who knows? But then OP says things like "you'll get women to look at you subserviently" and you say "most women love to be submissive" it sounds like a play for power, to be able to control women at your leisure. Is that really a direction you, as a group of conscious men, want to go back toward?
And don't avoid the question by saying it's because its what the majority of women want. You don't know that. Men can tell that to themselves all day long until it's as popular as "the world was invented in seven days" but you don't objectively know and never could. It's just something you've been told.
You need to stand up and answer the question directly- "do I want women to be subservient to me?"
LastRevision 9y ago
Yes, all women.
GGDonnahue 9y ago
Then don't wonder why we need feminism.
LastRevision 9y ago
You need feminism because aging sucks.
You know how women think understanding what men find attractive is easy? Picture a woman in your head that 9/10 men wouldn't turn down for sex. I'm sure you can do that. It's the same for women, as far as what you find sexually attractive.
GGDonnahue 9y ago
I'm not sure what point you were trying to make so I'll simply reiterate my statement that the fact that some men want all women to be subservient is exactly why women created and need feminism. It's this male superiority complex trying to dismiss our autonomy as agents. You literally find it most desirable when we have no will (most likely bc then we couldn't possibly reject you).
But that's sick and you wouldn't want it happening to you.
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wearing_yoga_pants 9y ago
One thing that helps is doing doorway stretches. Can't link because I'm on mobile, but just google it. My PT had me do them for 5 minutes a day right when I woke up and it helped immensely.
HolaGuacamola 9y ago
Does someone have an infographic or something I can print on this and put it into my morning routine?
beepbeepwow 9y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZMDgj7ohps
I like this take from Elliot about posture.
SkorchZang 9y ago
Truly a fantastic and timely contribution, many thanks for sharing your experience dude.
That's normal (for a woman) and a sign of attraction building, especially if shortly after she tries to glance at you again... it's on!
formerbptherapist 9y ago
Great stuff. I'm also nover 6" tall, and it wasn't until I started Stronglifts that I felt more comfortable standing or sitting with good posture. In fact, as you mentioned, it actually hurts more now to not do so-to the point that we now have to get new living room furniture. But it does make a huge difference on my attitude and disposition as well. I am a lot calmer and more confident, can let stupid stuff roll off me like water, and have less tolerance for disrespect.
uncletom40 9y ago
I deadlift 240kg, squat 180kg and it hasn't helped my posture. I just have to make an active effort to keep it proper.
formerbptherapist 9y ago
I found that pendlay rows and deads made the biggest difference in how I carried myself and my posture.
pounds_not_dollars 9y ago
I just went to the chiropractor and they told me a whole bunch of bones are out of place despite my great posture. You need to ALWAYS look after your back. You only get one.